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The reason the sister carrier took so many hits is because they were torpedoed from both port and starboard which allowed and caused counter flooding. The US Navy figured it out and applied the lessons learned to the sinking of the Yamamoto. In other words Capt. Enright got lucky.

@@readhistory2023 Musashi is a battleship And it's *Yamato, not Yamamoto :D

Yeah. There were captains and boats that sank more overall, but not on a single patrol

"That still only counts as one!"

@@redshirt5126 hehe

Yeah that's some pretty low quality ship.

@@redshirt5126 The perfect reference.

Cautious and uncertain by Submarine Captain standards. Keep in mind, he wasn't the one that sunk a train.

Actually directly under the escort was a safe place to be. They probably did it on purpose because it hid their own engine noises. And if they dropped depth charges the escort risked blowing themselves up. They would sooner circle back and do an attack from a better vector, but by that time Archerfish would’ve finished the attack and gone deep. It was night so it would be very difficult to hit her with shells.

So true.

Not Jackie Chan!

@@1337penguinmanthe one who sunk a train didn’t do so by torpedo or guns: they blew up a bridge with the train on it after landing a crew…

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Yes, but he didn't sink a train!

Lol

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⁠@@panzerabwerkanone the old bastards did

I mean, the exact same thing was happening in Europe with Uboats. The submarine's ability to infiltrate was unmatched. As long as there was a submarine base within range, your coastline was never truly safe.

Just as it Should be: Take the fight to the heart of the enemy. . . .

It was a spawn kill lol

I mean there were German U-Boats sunk in the Gulf of Mexico

u-boats were lurking outside of New Yorks harbor during the war. It doesn't really reflect the state of the war.

They’re actually not AS large as often assumed. The oft-cited 70,000+ ton displacement figures are at full load (including fuel, ammunition and crew), and their actual displacement is more like 65,000 tons. Which is still bigger than any other battleships that were actually built, but by a significantly smaller margin than often assumed (the next largest battleships were the Iowas at 45,000+ tons each without fuel or ammunition, though they were longer than the Yamatos)

@HobbitJack Yup

@@bkjeong4302 Not to methion that all super carriers are of that size or greater.

@@hobbitjack5275 IIRC US Intel was informed by a POW that a Yamato-class BB was being converted.

@@GreenBlueWalkthrough Were they around in 1945?

Sadly I think this record will fall in our lifetime. Also there is some question in my mind whether the MOL Comfort was torpedoed in 2013. Keels don't just snap in half like that at random, and consider the political situation at the time.

@@telesniper2 the America class took 4 weeks to scuttle, and people had to go on board to help out. Sinking one of those would take one hell of an effort

@@titanlord9267 The USS Harry S Truman took something like 8 torpedos to "sink" during wargames when I was on it. So that's a good estimation of what it would take. She a has pretty sophisticated system of bilge spaces around the water line, similar to the old anti-torpedo bulges.

Wait until China tries to invade Taiwan . The record will be broken very quickly in the South China Seas . At least its not far for them to swim home

Yamato and Musashi were sunk in combat. Because of their thicker armor they outweighed Shinano.

He earned it! I was disappointed that the captains and crews logs/thoughts weren't really talked about. I'm sure they were expecting to get hunted by those destroyers with very little chance of survival after launching those torpedoes.

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​@@bobbygetsbanned6049ml.

​@Trevor Braun ok little timmy time for school

We'll give you a reward if it weighs more than the rest , but you won't get one if it's lighter .

And just from 1944-1945!

One must also admit that IJN anti submarine capabilities were non existent and their disaster control drill simply substandard, as they proved in numerous sinkings. So this was another sitting duck, which would have been sunk anytime soon.

@@christians6734 For sure. ASW was pretty weak in the 1940s, considering how effective German submarine warfare was in the Atlantic.

​@@gordontubbs a lot of that had to do with sending liberty ships in basically unprotected. Towards the end of the war anti submarine warfare basically shut down the uboats in the Atlantic. The pby Catalina saw extensive use for this very reason.

Why hasn't anyone made more of this. Sounds like a great film in the making.

Genuinely admirable of him.

You nailed it. Not only was he successful, but he also paused when he felt he wasn't up to the job. I don't know what he did during the time before he resumed command, but clearly he improved his skills.

Lesson: Just do your job and everything else will take care of itself.

@@CinemaDemocratica Do u say that when u pole dance?😮

@@MrHAPPYHAWAIIAN There's actual video of me pole-dancing.

I heard that Mars ain't the kind of place to raise your kids, in fact it's cold as hell. 😁

Imagine the entirety of Sakura Empire naval force was unable to sunk one of the oldest Eagle Union carriers and your newest carrier got sunk by a pesky little submarine...

Elon steps up *Right this way*

Wow how so many guys died in sinking it took a long ass time to sink

To be fair, it wasn't a real aircraft carrier. It was a half assed Battleship conversion. Japan should have surrendered before sending it's young men on pointless suicide missions.

Something I could never do, that's for sure

And the toilets. German submarines could not flush their toilets while diving, which especially in the latest stages of the war they had to do a lot. And when they then had to quickly change depth at a steep angle, well... Later designs had toilets that coud be flushed underwater, but handling that device required special training. One German submarine got lost through nothing but a mishandled toilet.

​@@Nickname-ef9tvbut that just applies to u boats tho

Some years back I had a chat with a former RN guy who'd served with the surface fleet. He told me that the 24 hours he spent in an old diesel submarine was more than enough.

Nobody thought the story believable enough. :P

@@Volvith Makes sense, To Hell and Back about Audie Murphy (starring the man himself) apparently left a lot out and changed some things to appear more realistic to the general public even though all that happened.

Not to mention the sub going right under the destroyer! Pure Hollywood!

There's only so much Tom Hanks can do.

Just make sure it’s directed by Michael Bay.

Yup, then ship did more rescue and recon missions than succesful attack patrols mostly because targets were scarce at that time of the war, that mission however more than compensated all the failed hunts

@@cesaravegah3787 Correct!

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Another book to Read if you have not already. Thunder Below by Admiral Eugene B. "Lucky" Flucky of the USS Barb.

No one performed “admirably” during the “Cold War” besides JFK….

This was the IJN at the height of it's hubris. His only other real option was going to his superior officer and going through with seppuku in his office. Then his xo would have been made to take the ship out anyway.

@@majormagnumshow2528 the entire system was set up to fail from the start. There were 300 people for every car in Japan when they bombed Pearl harbor in America there were four people per car. Delusions are pretty common in some societies. We have a lot of people here who think the Japanese were interned and concentration camps in America. Unfortunately this is not true there is a such a thing as a concentration camp and it has a death chamber and is pushing people through it if they aren't working them to death and then pushing them through the death chamber. Every time you lose in the Japanese system you commit suicide thereby taking every lesson they possibly could have learned from a failure to the grave with you. The mission isn't a failure the commander is a failure the mission can't commit suicide the commander can commit suicide. On the American side if they lost a lot of men in the commander came back they gave the guy a cup of coffee fed him a good dinner and asked him what went wrong. Somewhere between the commander's actions the men's actions and the design of the mission improvements were made. In Japan the mission was sacred because the emperor was God and it was failing humans that let down God that caused the mission to fail and those humans need to commit suicide so better people can complete the mission correctly. This love of suicide and refusal to look at the plan instead of the people is an echoing disaster throughout Japanese history. Look at that Fukushima disaster they had a perfectly good set of plans with four or five redundant ways to shut off the radiation and cool everything down in case of the problem but the Japanese people didn't need redundancy. That plan was drawn up by an American idiot and it was a plant designed to be run by a bunch of American idiots with all that redundancy. The superior Japanese engineers thought a single way to shut this down was the answer. Japan is almost consumed itself. At the rate they're going there won't be anything there that isn't radioactive pretty soon.

Well to be fair the ijn had to pick the lesser of two evils. Send it out early and risk submarines or hold it in port and risk bombers. They didn't want Shimano have the same thing that happened to Tirpitz.

I love that Enright just kept going despite his previous doubts. Wars are won when people recognise their failings, but keep on and learn from it.

Maybe if he had let that lead destroyer chase the sub, things would have been different.

All captains have to relieve themselves.

​@@oaktadopbok665 Yes, and so do the seamen

And then there were captains who only rose through the ranks because people wanted to promote them away and at every new rank did a terrible job.

It sounds like it was a pos ship

As said the ship shouldn’t have been so mortally threatened on paper, but to assume any submarine is a lone submarine is asking for trouble

Weird how the same culture can produce such conservatism and audacity simultaneously.

I guess history repeats no matter what, Yorktown sank form 4 tropedos, and shinano was sank by again, 4 torpedoes form a submarine

@@looinrims Agreed. While Abe's assumptions were _incorrect_ and ended up dooming the ship, they were not _unreasonable_ assumptions to make. I can't really put too much blame on him for what happened here.

The guy that saved that drawing from the trash deserved a big reward, and hopefully got one. If I was that captain this guy would get an on-the-spot promotion and anything else I could think of.

I thought they were first credited with a Cruiser.

Typical midwestern modesty lol

@@isolinear9836 Cruiser seem more likely than battleship, this was after all a battleship hull.

tHATS THE NAVY ....waste not, want not

When it comes to carriers, how many aircraft they can hold matters less than how many they can OPERATE. For all her size Shinano could operate an air wing about the same size as the British Armoured Carriers, that were almost 40,000 tons lighter. The Essex Class could operate an air wing almost double that of the Shinano, on 36,000 tons fully loaded. Yeah, she was a big carrier, that does not mean she was a GOOD carrier....

@@alganhar1 that's my point. Her design and intent were not practical or remotely ideal even if she'd been introduced in 1942. By 1944 it was a joke.

Yep, how amazingly stupid a decision it was to convert it to a carrier in 1942 while having such an inadequate pilot training program... it is not even a matter of hindsight, it is pure fantasy arrogance... does the commander of the submarine get any special award for sinking the largest white elephant in all of history as well?? Was it even worth the cost of the torpedoes???

@@mystikmind2005 ironically if he hadn't sunk it the ship might have been more detrimental to the IJN than the USN. It would have taken more resources Japan couldn't spare to finish, the fuel, pilots and planes couldn't be maintained and as a fleet carrier the ship would require constant protection and escort Destroyers that were being used as spare merchant and troop transports by 1944. So yeah, by sinking her, the sub may have done Japan a slight favor. Shinano sinking was definitely a loss, but having such a massive fuel guzzling ship that couldn't even fulfil its intended purpose draining the already insufficient resources of the IJN may well have been worse for the Japanese.

@@grandadmiralzaarin4962 Agree... Honestly, the only use it could be to the Japanese is for propaganda - and hence the reason for keeping the sinking quiet... The only practical use i an think of for it is to strip it down and make it into a fast cargo vessel... or try to sell it to Thailand!! lol

Clutch win. GG noobs

An excellently executed pro gamer move

And remember, the only way you knew of a lost sub, was its listing on the overdue list back in Pearl. Their orders were so general in nature and the commanders were given such freedom and leeway to fight the war as the wanted, they usually only came back when they ran out of torpedoes or more rarely, fuel.

The only reason we use high risk submarines, is that they bring in high rewards.

Wow, hearing those stories first hand must have been incredible.

I knew Capt Joe Enright well in the 1970s--We were on the Dover Mass Town Republican Committee together and he was a quiet, modest man--in his 60s perhaps at the time. I also met a WWII bomber pilot who flew 80+ missions over Germany who was similarly quiet and unassuming. Both men exemplified the ordinary Americans who acted like superheroes during the war and then quietly went back to civilian life. When I knew Capt Enright I had no idea that he was a WWII hero with the Navy Cross. Years later, browsing a used book rack, I saw the back cover of a small book featuring a picture ofJoe Enright--Captain of the Archerfish. I grabbed it and studied it--there was no mistake--it was the same guy I had known so well for years in Dover. I bought the book and it's a great story--he had a writer help him write it--and it included many documents from the Japanese post-war archives including the messages and diaries/logs of the Japanese officers on the carrier. After our sub started following the Carrier, the book tells the hour by hour cat and mouse game of the sub chasing down the carrier. A great read!

has the wreck ever been found

Japan was not used to have a nemesis. In China they faced a buncho of peasants with rifles. And the regime applied heavy censorship. The problem of having strong disinformation infrastructure is that it disinforms even own decision makers.

​@@randomrazrThe resolution of the bottom of the sea is about one pixel for a 3x3 miles area. That is not enough resolution Mapping a detailed grid is expensive. And for any sea bottom below 400 meters, any features of the bottom of the sea are irrelevant for sub operations.

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The Shinano was going to become a loss anyways. Either in her old dock, on sea, in her new dock, or if against all odds she made it to a battle.

We'll give the artist "artistic license" on that. As for the escorts, I believe it was down to the fact thats all they had available at the time, they had lost so many ships by then.

What was the carrier he found but was too scared to go for while in command of the USS Dace?

@@scarletcrusade77 It was Shokaku on November 15, 1943.

The history of Submarine warfare is replete with this theme. The Germans had the same problem....it was known that only a small percentage of Submarine Captains actually were go-getters. The German Naval high command resorted to various measures to try and deter this behavior.....including sackings, radio check-ins, and tactical maneuvers that tried to deter this over cautiousness. Many submarines simply went on safe pleasure cruises and tried to avoid contact or went after contacts that were lone merchant stragglers. I'm sure the Americans did too to some extent. I don't know about the Japanese. If you poked around in the wrong waters with a sub back then it was too easy to get caught. Nobody wants to die in a steel tube underwater in the middle of nowhere.

@@electrolytics One of the most notable things about Theodor Detmers, the man infamous for sinking HMAS Sydney and killing her entire crew in the process... is that under normal circumstances he did his best to NOT kill anyone. He'd done his best to try to trick Sydney into leaving him alone. He didn't want a fight. In part because he knew he was likely to lose the Kormoran... which he did... but also he just didn't take pleasure in killing his enemies. He was notable for keeping dozens of prisoners on his ship for weeks at a time. He didn't want to kill anyone as part of his job. His job was to capture or destroy enemy ships, not to kill their crews. And, well, that sort of thing may have been why Enright hesitated to fire on the Shokaku. The idea of killing so many men, even as an act of war, during a war, just gave him a cold knot in his stomach.

@@electrolytics Japanese subs were actually expected to go after warships (especially carriers) and ignore merchant ships, but it turned out this was A BAD IDEA.

Despite the size of the Shinano, it was until recently a fairly obscure vessel in WW2 as was its sinking. Many strategically more important battles of the Pacific War were much more famous. I think only two little-known and hard-to-find books in English were ever written about it some decades ago.

Japs, German Nazis, and Italian fascists can go to hell. Everyone else can rest in peace.

I'm a big history buff and have read dozens of books on the Pacific theater and just read about this a couple years ago. I can't recall what book had it. You'd think that sinking a 70,000 ton aircraft carrier would have drawn a bit more attention.

And they sunk it before it had ever fought - the biggest interdiction ever?

@@timothyhennig80 Imagine the destruction that vessel and its weapon systems onboard could've unleashed had it made its journey, and was perfected. Stopping it later, after it had been finished, with all the escorts and onboard protection would've been very difficult.

my dads copy is hanging on our wall

My goodness, is all of that accurate? If so, that carrier would have sunk if they sailed into a moderate storm.

@@vectorm4 Lol maybe not a moderate storm, but under normal circumstances, those torpedo hits should not have threatened a ship that large. But the Yamato design had some underwater flaws that almost certainly carried over to the Shinano. Musashi once took a single torpedo hit that led to flooding of 4,000 tons of seawater...North Carolina took a similar hit in around the same location yet saw 1/4 as much flooding. In December 1943 a single torpedo hit on Yamato caused the armor joint to split, letting in 3,000 tons of flooding. It didn't help matters that the design has some poor subdivision, and even without an untrained crew the IJN damage control was sub-par.

@@vectorm4 Japan lost many ships due to circumstances that were just bad. Ammunition and fuel on the flight deck getting hit and lighting up the whole ship is one of the better examples. This was due to swapping out aircraft ammunition. I'm not saying Japan had ships that were China level quality (their ships are made out paper, I used to watch their construction yards to keep track of their inventory). But they have been unlucky enough to be hit in ready states that were bad enough to give them the durability of a Chinese vessel rather than the durability of an American vessel (American vessels are VERY DIFFICULT to sink.

@@mandellorian790 Ships hit in port are easier to take down than ready ships at sea. I'm literally a Navy Veteran who was an intelligence analyst that watched China build their ships for a number of years. Yes, American ships ARE difficult to sink and Chinese vessels are made out of paper. Don't speak of things you don't understand, it makes you look like a fool. Especially don't attempt to correct someone when you don't understand the difference between an unattended ship and a ship at battle stations. A ship in port has everything open and a light crew making it near impossible to save. A ship at sea at battle stations has every water tight and air tight hatch sealed as well as a FULL crew to save the ship. Hatches are only open long enough during battle stations to transit through before they are closed. At full ready, you just aren't going to sink a US ship very easily. Next you try to correct someone, figure out if they know more about the topic than you do.

@Jfast Bravo! Thank you for your service. I wish I could pack you up and take you in amd out-of some of these threads to comment on some of these feeds. We need more people like you speaking truth and not just booty chatter that these people type spinning lies back and forth to one another. God Bless you sir!

There was just so much going on in WW2, I paid more attention to the western front for a long time as well. Now I think the Pacific is more interesting, the biggest most insane naval battles that have ever happened. Men flying out to torpedo ships without even having enough fuel to return, while carrying defective torpedoes! A destroyer charging the biggest Pacific fleet ever amassed. Island hopping with multiple beach landings and banzai attacks. The war in the pacific was absolutely insane.

@@bobbygetsbanned6049when you really read some of the stories and digest it the Pacific was literally like the Wild West of WW2. I was just watching the story of a machine gunner on an island that repelled several bonsai charges and may have killed a few hundred Japanese in one night! Wtf?

Unfortunately, in all likelihood, what remains of the Shinano has been salvaged by illegal Chinese salvage ships.

"Knowledge is power, hide it well." Even with easier FOI requests, security classifications finally sunsetting, and surviving vets opening up before they go, there will be plenty of stories about WW2 we will never know in any detail. Sometimes that's as it should be.

@@Einwetok my wife had a client a few years ago that was 97 years old. My wife was his caretaker. I had the privilege of sitting down with him for hours one night while he told me his WW2 experiences. I was absolutely incredible. He was a mathematician that was part of the artillery unit. He would make calculations for targeting adjustments on the fly by hand. He told me him and his boys could put a shell in your back pocket if they wanted to.😉 he died a year or so after that. I still think about all the cool stories he told me about being airdropped into France.

It seems like watertight doors should be one of the first things finished before going out into the water?

@@Dayvit78 The doors were there I believe, it was the rubber gaskets that make them water tight that were absent. The Japanese by this point in the war were short many materials, including rubber. They no longer had the ability to produce or transport these items.

@@Salty_Balls she may have headed for the East Indies after everything else was completed, as the rubber there was under Japanese control

@@Dayvit78 She was still fitting out and wasn't really ready for sea, but a US plane flew over and the IJN was afraid she'd been spotted and would be bombed if she stayed where she was, so her captain was ordered to move her.

@@Dayvit78 You'd think, right?

Amazing, and thank you for sharing.

Met him briefly at a book signing in his home , a very honest and engaging man . that the US Navy did not believe him and wanted him to accept credit for a small ship if I recall.

Just saying. Why do people keep getting on ship yet they can’t swim.

@@speak-the-red-letters they never think that their ship will sink , or they will be killed long before they drown I guess. Something like why people went into the Army air corp and fought from bombers , no place to hide and low chances to parachute when the bomber was destroyed in mid -air

@@speak-the-red-letters same answer to why would people go to wars if they don’t wanna fight

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​@@miriadlamentations maybe he should stop wars?

Falling out of the sky is more terrifying but the death is quick. Drowning while trapped in a sinking ship or submarine and having your lungs fill with water seems more horrible. Or worse being eaten by a sharks on a feeding frenzy.

@@GizmoMaltese I can't imagine being an armor crewman/tanker. Getting ripped apart by metal fragments while trapped in a hot, cramped coffin.

@@donovanwilliams5424 Pretty much sucks to lie in the mud for days and then get shredded by artillery. Seems like war kinda sucks.

War is hell and all those who are forced into it are victims along with the rest of the casualties. If you're lucky enough to survive, it's likely that war killed your soul anyway. Knowing how badly my household trauma affected me, it's a wonder anyone emerges from war still functioning.

It is also worth noting that the IJN was arguably one of the most BATTLESHIP-centric of all major ww2 navies. Certainly, they began with a potent carrier force but, by and large, it was seen as an adjunct to the hallowed Line Of Battle. For example, in the Battle Of Midway, the carriers were a separate group, and the so-called Main Force (including Yamato) was over two hundred miles to the rear, contributing absolutely nothing. For most of the war, most of the IJN was fixated on the idea of an eventual Jutland-style showdown between their battleships and the USN, a major reason why most of their BBs just sat around in Japan, as distinct from actually doing very much. That only began to change in 1944-45, but even then the IJN seemed largely clueless.

And just like Germany, the Japanese can't just make "more x" because they lack another important component: oil.

@@Brslldyeah meanwhile the USN had plenty of oil not to mention steel,pilots,dockyards etc. I mean the US outproduced literally EVERY OTHER COUNTRY COMBINED IN WW2. In short: don’t touch America’s boats lmao

That is a really FUN FACT 🇺🇸

@@7thsealord888 First of all, there really wasn’t anything the IJN could have accomplished by using battleships more aggressively instead of preserving them for a battle that was never going to happen. Take a look at the combat record of American battleships during the war: sure, they were present in a lot more battles, but they didn’t actually justify their involvement (unless the battles were Second Guadalcanal or Surigao Strait), especially when it came to the new fast battleships. They mostly got used as glorified monitors or (for the fast battleships) glorified CLAAs. All that the Japanese really would have achieved by using their battleships more aggressively and more often would have been the waste of even more fuel. Letting them waste away in port was the right call; trying to use a weapon that can’t justify itself in combat is NOT a good idea unless you have no other choice. Second…Japan was actually one of the LEAST battleship-oriented navies of WWII once you look at construction. Keep in mind, almost all of their battleships were things they built back in WWI, with the two Yamatos being their only new battleships. Even accounting for the fact those two were the two largest battleships ever, they actually represented a smaller expenditure of resources and infrastructure (even in relative terms) than the battleships other navies were building at the same time, especially the Germans.

Japanese worker: "Now that the Bonsais are in the right position, we can final-" [BOOM] Japanese worker: "Oh, for fuck's sake!"

Even in today's Navy, Workers will remain on ship to complete tasks that has not been completed before being set to sea. Just as USS Ford.

The US Navy also didn't believe that the Archerfish had sunk a carrier that large and credited it with sinking a light carrier. It wasn't until after the war and the US got its hands on the Japanese archives that confirmed the Shinano existed that the Navy retroactively credited the Archerfish and her captain with sinking her and awarding Captain Enright the Navy Cross.

@@ZaydinTTV We're from the government and we are here to help.

@@everybuddy5924 It also happens in the Offshore industry. I was on a semi-submersable rig, and the civilian welders and pipe=fitters worked until we got onto the drill site, about a 15 day tow.

Slowing down wasn't much of an option TBH.

Bulkheads and doors were not finish

I would love to criticize Abe's decision-making, but it feels hard to do as he had incomplete information and we have the advantage of hindsight. I feel in his position most of the decisions he made were probably the correct ones given the information he had

I certainly don't envy Abe and I highly doubt anyone competent would. He knew the ship wasn't ready and petitioned for more time but was ordered out anyway, those are some major reasons to become paranoid. If the ship was actually made up to standard, he truly wouldn't have had anything to fear from a lone submarine and it's pure bad luck that he encountered one that actually decided to engage alone.

Musashi also took torpedoes on both sides. Shinano (and Yamato) were torpedoed on just one side (mostly, in the case of Yamato.)

But was far more dangerous of an enemy. Shokaku was the ship that sank the original Hornet, and she participated in that and various other operations (including Pearl Harbor) with her sister ship, the two of them being the most dangerous Axis capital ships (and two of the most dangerous capital ships period) of WWII.

@@bkjeong4302 And it was the ship that Enright was afraid to attack the previous year.

@@terraflow__bryanburdo4547 And was built in the same dock Shinano later got built in, and at the same time as Shinano’s two older half-sisters.

@@bkjeong4302 And yet just as irrelevant enemy by 1944. Zuikaku fate from Leyte showcases that Shoukaku survival in June wouldn't mean anything.

Computer game Silent Service have a scenario called USS Cavalla hits the jackpot. It was not avalible to those of us with the game on Commodore 64 tape version though. It seems to have been a carrier.

So it's ary?

Yes i kinda wished it did more in the war but at the same time Im Happy it didnt

@@magbah142as a naval nerd I feel the same way for many different vessels

According to the book written about her, Shinano had her water tight doors not completed. 1 torpedo would have sent her to the bottom

The ships were poorly designed when they were built in Japan. The crews were poorly trained they had no damage drills they had no fire drills they had no drills of any sort they were sure they would win. Two sub Hunter planes dropped a bomb on a Japanese destroyer to destroyers to 500 lb bombs two Japanese ships went to the bottom. They didn't do very well at large organized systematic training groups of people to function like a machine. They didn't do very well on design of things like the battleships or the nuclear reactor set up at Fukushima. This is not a testament to the prowess of the American or allied submarine crew it's a testament to how poorly the Japanese thought things out in the second world War.

Yes; I have Enright's book right here to skim as I watched the video. On p. 150 he talks about how he'd made up his mind to try to capsize the carrier due to its higher weight above the waterline and also habit - for most of the war our torpedoes ran deeper than they were set. And also, because Enright was consciously tossing "the book" - standard operating procedures - aside. "The book" is how he lost his confidence as CO of the Dace, a story he goes into extensively in his book "Shinano!" (Highly recommended) Since people seem curious, tl;dr is that as CO of the Dace he had an ULTRA message giving him the predicted location of a carrier and ordering him to go attack it. His gut and his own senior officers felt the carrier would show up in a different location due to currents (want to know more, read the book). In the end he decided to follow orders, with the result that he and his sub missed the carrier, which he got to watch showing up exactly where his XO, Navigator, and he himself thought it would be. To get back on topic, "the book" called for setting torpedoes at 25-30 feet; he ordered his set to 10 feet.

Thanks a lot!

Well researched huh? The USS Tang sunk 33 vessels for over 116,000 tons of shipping. So much for the "research". Maybe he should re-search the facts.

Well said and I agree.

Agreed. A number of less glamorous advances enabled US victory -- code breaking, replenishment, the DC-3 aircraft, proximity fuse artillery, radar onboard aircraft, Victory ships, and abundant fuel of all types.

The second is part of logistics. And it's just as important as manufacturing.

Yeah a lot of it falls under logistics, like the other huge part that played into the Yorktown, which is our ability to repair and turn around equipment faster than anyone else.

Right. Seeing 10° made me realize how hard it would be to stand up or move around. Never would have seen it without the ship's profile.

When Isokaze went after Archer-fish, who was on the surface, if the destroyer had not been recalled by Abe, Enright would have been forced to dive the sub which would allow Shinano to get so far past Archer-fish that if Isokaze held her down for just 30 minutes, Enright could never have caught up. Abe should have let his destroyer captains do their job.

@@johnemerson1363 this can be said in hindsight knowing that only 1 submarine was trailing the carrier. In the fog of war, Abe assumed the worst case scenario, which was that there was a Wolfpack of submarines trailing the ship, which is generally the better option. It was simply bad luck that his choice put him in the direct line of archerfish

@splender88 It's not a story.

I mean.... If you know anything about the Japanese during WW2 you shouldn't feel too bad. I feel bad for the innocent workers much more than the enlisted men

The story of ww2 is one of German and Japanese soldiers killing unarmed civilians. Both armies were evil and deserving of death one and all.

She's also cursed! Everytime she escorted a capital ship it would up sunk!

Alot of folks, myself included, that have great interest in the US/Japanese sea war of WW2, didn't know of this sinking until hearing about it in this video. I would think that something this monumental would be among the most widely known events but instead, it seems to be one of the most obscure.

@@jamesstreet228 since childhood I have watched every documentary and movie I could find just hoping to find out something about my uncles ship. Turns out a survivor of the Drexler made a You Tube video about it and we never knew of any survivors. Told all about it. I suppose there are hundreds of similar untold stories like these. So many untold stories going to graves with old men and yet sadly so many new stories are being created every day.

So true

It's easier when there are no aircraft strafing the men in the water.

@@jagdson2701 Something that is now considered a war crime, though I am not sure of the nuance of that. But as the old saying goes, its never a war crime the first time. Side note: I always forget the Japanese didn't have sonar, as this attack would have been next to impossible on an American battlegroup. Sonar not only would have told them the sub was approaching, but how many.

@@goldenhate6649 Depends on the target you want to be strafe. Strafing the defenseless/sitting duck combatants such as sailors in the water was, and is, YES it's considered a war crime under international military law. But strafing on tanks, armored vehicles, and other armed ground targets usually it's NOT considered a war crime

@@jagdson2701 I doubt there would be documention on that even if true. However, and i am not some blushing milkmaid, I find it hard to believe we would do that. Then again, the hatred of the Japanese, especially toward the end of the war as the atrocities were made known, maybe it did happen. But, it would require command to take a blind eye. Just my thoughts.

Sorry... none of the Carriers Akagi, Kaga, Hiryu, and Soryu, were sunk by a sub, they were all sunk by Enterprise and Yorktown. Perhaps you were thinking of Zuikako?

@@enterprisethesylveon5787 there were a total of 6 for the Pearl Harbor attack, the 4 you listed plus the Shokaku and zuikaku. The Zuikaku was sunk by aircraft, the Shokaku was sunk by the Cavella in 1944 The 4 Carriers that you listed were all sunk by SBD dauntless at the battle of midway in 1942

@@enterprisethesylveon5787 Nope. Shokaku was sunk by Cavella. Shokaku was Zuikako’s sister ship and both attacked Pearl Harbor.

@@jakfuki I've toured this sub and the display itself states it sank a carrier that participated in the Pearl Harbor attack.

thank you for your service

Thanks for your service to our country.

Fun fact the conning tower for the USS Indianapolis is at the Indiana Military Museum in Vincennes.

Wow nice job trying to make it about you. No one cares

@@mistersalsa And you Pablo, as a coward, didn't do anything for this country, but whine and criticize. Shame on you. And no one cares about Pablo, so go away.

Sounds like he had one of those mythical "Dream Jobs" we all hear about

Getting stuck in a tin can next to a nuclear reactor thousands of feet under water with hundreds of sweaty dudes, definitely a dream job. Thank you for your service

Or, he did ENOUGH right. And got the result.

what the, it's like riveted tanks, but, worse. Shouldn't have invested that much in the ONBOARD ORCHESTRA

Only the thickest parts of the armour were riveted, actually: the rest of it was welded. This was actually standard practice at the time across all navies, where most of a battleship’s armour would be welded, but the thickest sections were usually too thick to weld and had to be riveted.

The 'documentary' was wrong. Listen to the guy above me, he is spot on in this case.

@@alganhar1 So the original blueprints are incorrect? Interesting.

@@StephenCole1916 Less that the original blueprints are incorrect, and more that the information was presented badly in the documentary. What the original blueprints show is that the thickest sections of the armour were riveted because there wasn’t a practical way to weld those sections, and that this posed a potential weak point: however, the documentary erred by a) wrongly claiming this weakness applied to the ENTIRETY of the armour, which it didn’t, and b) omitting that this particular weakness was universal among battleships and not something wrong with the Yamatos in particular.

Except in David v Goliath, David had a projectile weapon and training and was therefore much better armed and prepared for a fight.

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Yeah I read this in Enrights book. Apparently the two commands in Japanese sound very similar r

Interesting

Ultimate flex: here's the book of what I did in the war

There are actually three photographs of her iirc, but the others are recon photos

The secrecy applies to all of the Yamatos, actually. To the point most IJN officers were unaware of their true specs (a few, like Kurita, managed to figure it out on their own) and most of the Japanese public didn’t even know they existed until after the war. Incidentally, this is why the entire idea of the Yamatos as being propaganda projects or symbols of power is a postwar fabrication: hard to be symbolic or prestigious if you’re shrouded in so much secrecy. It’s only from the 1950s onwards that the Yamatos entered Japanese public knowledge and only from SBY onwards that they really became famous. Even then, SBY almost ended up being Space Battleship Nagato instead because Nagato was the ACTUAL symbol of the IJN.

Even the government was tricked by disguising Yamato's budget as budget for 3 destroyers

@@aslamnurfikri76403 Destroyers? The amount the Yamato must have cost they could have hidden it as a Destroyer flotilla, and a Light Cruiser and still had change!

@@richardcowling7381 Yamato cost around $80,500,000 (using late 1930s Yen-to-Dollar exchange rates, since she was laid down in 1937). Most of that was already allotted for in the naval budget, and the three destroyers just covered up the cost overruns. Incidentally, the two Yamatos aren’t the most expensive individual battleships ever built: the Iowas individually cost around $100,000,000 apiece, due to cost overruns (due to, among other things, issues with procuring their main armament thanks to a BuOrds bureaucratic fuckup).

Most people do not even know she existed, that's how 'well known' she was. That's how much she was one of the 'worlds favourite ships'. Rest in pieces Shinano, best forgotten....

@@alganhar1 Most people don't even know a fair amount about Japanese Naval History but, for one of the world's largest ships I believe she is to be known and, not to mention the only the ones in a small community (I say small community meaning in our world) who expand their knowledge are the ones who know. Set aside differences of Naval action between the Japanese and Americans, she was an awesome ship that (like the Yamamoto) was just poorly managed. So, to say your argument just shows a fair amount of ignorance and a lack of mind power to expand one's knowledge of debatable important history. And set-aside "People" in this case are different from a "World" where this ship proves extraordinary differences at the time and undoubtedly other Historians can agree upon (Even noted in the video I recall)

Also, sorry for the paragraph lol, Shinano itself was just an awesome ship and ignorant people just don't understand how Naval powers society at the time were back then but also. (I might remember World of Warships including Shinano and if you include Azur Lane that is a number of online players, so that's so much for "people" not knowing her) Merry Christmas!

@@CamoTheGuy I wouldn’t consider Shinano an especially noteworthy warship in the vein of her sisters (which were quite capable battleships that got screwed over by the fact battleships in general were obsolete at that point, which is something you can say about any battleship class to enter service in WWII). Shinano was designed for a nonsensical role as a support carrier.

@@bkjeong4302 I would agree on that apart that Shinano was short of attainting anything noteworthy as her voyage was too short to see noteworthy action caused by Foolish Japanese Naval HICOM (Just like her sister ships) but, her role as a Carrier (being the largest aircraft carrier yet) as well as having the capability to carry the most aircraft is a large amount of potential power, aside as a "support carrier" where the Japanese view of using her to change the course of the war as a main fleet carrier. A video I recommend as well on the point is "Yamato, the right ship for the wrong war" by Potential History. But, to conclude on it you can debate on her being noteworthy as she yet alone held the record till the USS Forrestal in 1954, I'd say that is pretty noteworthy itself alone.

Anything is possible. If this video does well we'll look at doing more breakdowns of sinkings like this in future

The heck are you on about? Yorktown was being towed by the fleet tug USS Vireo and guarded by 3 destroyers plus USS Hammann was providing Auxiliary power. So that wasn’t alone.

@@ph89787 I mean the submarine.

Yorktown was already bombed and torpedoed multiple times before that. It was very different situation, they figured the Yorktown was going to sink in afew hours but it turned out, she didnt. So a tug boat was sent to save her. Yorktown was already abandoned and empty during her sinking

@@Aspir3xx ah.

My father was a submariner for 26 years. He ended his career as the Captain of a submarine squadron with three divisions, each with seven subs in each division, all nuclear boats. During this command, he was charged with training Iranian naval submariners on running three pretty advanced diesel boats that we were giving the Shah. He told me that they were some of the quietest subs ever built. Thankfully, the Shah fell and revolution took over in Iran before the training had finished. All of the officers stayed in the US and all of the enlisted men went back to Iran.

​@@reggiericoThe Tang class weren't that quiet (although they were quieter than first generation US SSNs), and were obsolete, hence why they were being sold to Iran.

And the best happened because Abe was playing it "safe."

And the Archerfish was not harassed by any destroyers- if it was made to do evasive maneuvers it possibly wouldn't been able to get such a clean shot.

If you support US military you are party to the murders of humans committed by them around the world

Luck was definitely on the side of Archerfish and her crew that night, but Shinano’s commanding officer made some crucial mistakes, namely not allowing his escorts to provide an effective screen, and ignoring the severity of the damage his vessel took from those torpedo hits until it was too late. Of course, the Japanese admiralty is arguably more at fault because they ignored his requests to delay the voyage until the ship was better prepared.