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I love when frameworks reinvent themselves on a yearly basis! New methods mean new ways to create code that is unreadable to anyone.

JavaScript community has to learn a new framework with every major framework update

>Me, 2013: I think I'll use Vanilla JS until these frameworks stabilize >Me, 2023: I think I'll stick with Vanilla JS until these frameworks stabilize

excited to see ECMAScript slowly re-implement lodash for the next 20 years!

I love how his 10 changes list starts at index 0

As a dinosaur who started back in '98 I have tons of respect for people who have to start learning all this stuff from scratch in this day and age. The sheer amount of information you have to consume and make your own is mind boggling.

As HTMX myself, I'm thrilled to get the Nobel prize of javascript

I loved learning React a few years back and already then I couldn't understand half the existing projects out there (because they were made in an older, wildly different version) and when searching for something on Stack Exchange and even official docs mix deprecated old features and new supported features ☺

Javascript gets a new framework in literally every nano second

Fireship always dropping knowledge combined with top-tier comedy

Just want to say thank you. 5 years ago I started learning angular using your angular/firebase tutorials, now I am a team lead and head Angular dev and I owe a lot of that to how good your tutorials are and how captivating your videos are.

That search tag example looked oddly familiar

With how insane web development has become, I'm glad I don't have to deal with it. Embedded may be difficult for a lot of people, but at least the toolchains have been the same for the past 30, 40 years

I wish people were more focused on stabilizing technologies before developing new abstractions to go over it.

Please do the new angular in comparison to the old one in a 90 seconds video if possible

Vue has been my framework of choice for about four years. I've been using it at work, and although there were times when I considered other options, I now believe it's in the best shape it's ever been. It's currently one of the strongest, if not the best, choices available. It's amazing how it has steadily improved over time.

Great video as always! Past 2 months were crazy and awesome as I'm transitioning from Hardware to Software Development. I started with JS, basic CSS, HTML now I want to make a MVP of one of my ideas, that involves mobile apps and I started looking at Flutter. Your channel is instrumental in my learning curve. Keep up the good work!

While people develop ChatGPT and Dall-e, JS developers are still trying to sort an array

I'm loving these videos coming out this fast, thank you for all of your effort!

Great video, love your content! Keep up the amazing work 🙂 Wouldn't it be nice to have a react based frontend framework that was more focused on developer experience and stability rather than pumping out new features every year, an equivalent of laravel in react framework land would be fantastic 😩

Vue and Nuxt teams are killing it. They ripped out Vite, Vitest, Nitro and UnJS to make a better and wider dev community - even outside of Vue. This is all on top of making incredible strides with Vue / Nuxt 3 themselves. Now Evan is working on Rolldown to replace Rollup built with Rust. 🥳

I always love it when Fireship makes videos on topics I will never ever care about (except HTMX because I do want to learn more about that). 🤣

Fantastic! That's exactly what I meant! Adding a new section for comparing LLMs and a guide on using LLMs would be excellent!

Thanks @Fireship for amazing content and keeping us up to date!

Just sticking with Vue. Evan You is a powerhouse.

soooo good to have you back. youtube isn't the same without you.

I am not a developer or coder but I always come back here even though I don't understand much of it. The edits are always so on point and funny that even if I don't understand shit, it just drags me back in when there's new stuff uploaded here lol

As someone who works with Angular for a living, the recent updates (most of which have come in the last year, maybe 2) have made working with it so, so, so much nicer. It’s not a framework I’d choose personally (although I did choose it for work years ago, but there’s better now, and I prefer SolidJS myself) but many of the recent changes have made it almost fun to use it, so I’m very happy they’ve been expanding and improving. Things like standalone components and host directives make composing stuff really clean, and even though them introducing signals is kinda a meme, it genuinely does make working with changing values much cleaner than observables/async pipes have been. All of this combined with the massive 1st-party library ecosystem, it’s honestly one of the heavy punchers now, and I’d actually recommend giving it a go for people who are on the fence about which framework is worth trying.

I'm sick and tired of those js libraries/frameworks, it's quite okay to stick with one language and use it for long time in backend, same for mobile development you can pick RN or Flutter and those doesn't change much but if you want to create a web application you are fucked up, I created 3 Nextjs applications in 3 years and each time when I open to add something I realized that Nextjs is changed completly.

Looking forward to the htmx course on fireship 👍

So happy having you back in my feed 😭 the dopamine when I see the notifications for your channel are unmatched

Interesting stuff as always. I've just wrapped version 1 of a a framework (private) that uses both Bun and htmx plus the subject oriented parts of rxjs (avoiding pipelines as much as I could), and it's really neat, small, super fast and server side rendering (well, kinda, with htmx it's kinda 50/50), outperforming any other system of normal ilk we've got for the larger systems in container environments. It sometimes really helps to start afresh with new tools, even if at first it feels daunting; well worth it.

I've been a full-time FE dev for around 3 years now working with Next.js. Although 3 years isn't all that long, I'm already starting to get tired of the constant new developments in this space. Most of our projects are built with the pages router and we won't upgrade them unless nescessary later on. New projects however, are built using the app router and it's been so painful. There's so much confusion with this new approach. My lead developer basically called me crazy when I told him that components marked with "use_client" also run on the server and had to create a POC to show him, lol. Plus there's many third-party libraries that don't work with the app router yet. These changes are all happening too fast and it's basically driving me away from Next.js and instead looking at other options.

Less than 10 new frameworks released in 2023. JavaScript is clearly dying.

1:27 that's right there straight away taken live from a real website ph🤣 Good to see you back mate🤘

Vue didn't change much - great news! I'm pretty happy with the ecosystem now.

Angular became so nice and cool in last versions! And it works like a charm even for very small and very large projects!

I love Bun! It's a really promising project and it can really simplify your dev experience. I've to give a try to HTMX later. Thanks for the report.

Jeff, we have been missing you for so long. I'm happy to see you back regularly on YT!

Amazing content as usual bro! 💪🏻

This is why web dev classes in college aren't good. Sure it's good to have classes that teach you the basics but web development beyond that is changing so much every year, the course would basically change every semester.

Are there any plans to update the Angular course? Or are you waiting until Angular reaches it’s final form? haha great video.

So good you’re back. Missed the amazing videos!

At this point i have given up on JS and its mutant children (The frameworks) and just going to stick with raw dogging HTML with HTMX and some kind of PHP Framework (CI4). 😰

Glad to have you back Jeff. Had us worried back there

I really hope UnJS will blow up even more in 2024 👏🏻 Such an underrated project - still.

Have missed your videos! Glad to have you back

Its funny that each framework starts because they don't like something in a specific framework and want to do differently but in the end, they all become almost the same thing, like the most important thing is the market share to create a product on top of it later. Funny Runescape reference tho

Oh how i've missed you these past couple weeks Jeff, keep up the great content. A fireship video is much more entertaining than a Mr. Beast video ;)

Happy to have you back @Fireship

I didnt know some of these. Thanks and good vids!

I built a simpler HTMX that focuses on forms I dubbed it HTMF but that was already taken on NPM so it is up on npm as "html-form". It's a fraction of HTMX size and doesn't need to be "hydrated" like HTMX does since all I need it to work is `addEventListener('submit', ...)`. I have been able to successfully create an offline-first SPA with it and a back end first progressively enhanced MPA with it. This pattern is amazingly powerful and amazingly flexible in what it can do.

htmx is good even if you like javacript. Why wouldnt you want to just have less code to maintain?

amazing video man , just kept similing the whole video!

I love it when you put some shiny new features in frontend infrastructures

every javascript framework converges to the react(hooks mostly,effects,state etc etc.) way of doing things with some major improvements, and then react just decides to go down the server components rabbit hole that nobody(except Vercel that has significant interest obv) asked for.

Not even an honorable mention of Qwik 1.0 in May? Qwik is a game changer in the fact it completely changed to no hydration!

We missed you so much Jeff 😭😭❤️❤️ Thanks for coming back

Tfw you're feeling depressed, but a new Fireship video makes you laugh and saves the day.

Nuxt has been incredible recently 💯

With every year that goes by and with every framework update, the only thing I'm thinking about is wanting to get more and more away from using JS, and when I do have to use JS, not having to use a framework.

How's every video is this useful...amazing work. Thank you!

Man, I am just so happy to see you are back

Your statement about Next.js slow dev server being made with rust is not correct though. The current (slow) dev server is still webpack. The new one (turbopack) is made with rust, but is still in beta and has some compatibility issues.

TO be honest the angular update cought me by surprise. Created a new side project (as you do...) and got completely dumbfounded as I thought I had a stroke while reading it. It is nice now.

"Compared to PHP; one of the most offensive slurs you can make against a JS framework" Fucking GOLD.

Welcome back bro, missed ya a lot

What I got out of this: - Next.js is unusable by anyone outside of Vercel, but is still popular - Vue and Svelte (my choice) are still the most rational developers experiences - but Svelte wants to deprecate core things people are used to and like about it (I’m not happy about that) - bun still rocks

1:27 I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE 💀💀☠️☠️☠️ SUS....

So good to see you back!

Thanks for the informative video. Would have been nice to see the "using" keyword.

i use nuxt and it's awesome! + u didn't mention astro they really dropping enhancements everyweek lol :)

With Rails' new philosophy of a "renaissance developer" being pushed by DHH about going back to monolithic full-stack development and actually being productive as developers business value-wise, I can't help but feel like JS-related frameworks are about to be "so last season"... I'm back to writing Python Django myself and trying to be be productive without using all sorts of Pocket or Supabases and still getting stuff off the ground - and somehow I bet I'm not the only one. As described by someone else, most JS-frameworks feel like they were such a "zero-interest-rate phenomenon", haha :'D

Good to have you back man

Didn't know I missed Fireship comical vids so much.

I didn't know the dialog API was recent... I've been using it for my past 2 projects. Makes sense why tutorials do not use it (they create dialogs from scratch) and the confusing methods (.show() vs .showModal())

Can‘t wait to search for solutions in a not updated documentation :)

The year 2023 brought significant changes to various industries, including web development where most frameworks reinvented themselves. Some of the recent changes in JavaScript include the standardization of new language features in ECMAScript, such as the object group by and array 2 sorted, which allows manipulating arrays as immutable values. Web developers also got new HTML elements, including the search tag and dialogue element, which allow creating modal dialogues and controlling them with JavaScript. Next.js, the most popular JavaScript framework, became entirely different from what it was last year, thanks to the app directory that became stable in May with version 13.4. However, the app directory has received mixed reviews due to its rushed and half-baked nature, making running Next.js correctly challenging outside of Vercel. Other frameworks, such as Nu and the Vue ecosystem, also had cool updates, including Dev tools that make it easier to understand complex applications. Finally, Spelt announced a new feature called runes, which will change the developer experience in version 5 by getting rid of reactive variables and stores.

Lol that RuneScape picture for runes took me back to my childhood😅thanks!

When designing these frameworks (apart from htmx), did anyone ever ask, is this actually accessible and understandable for developers?

I love angular. its very stable and I can do anything without going to search or install 3rd party libraries and not worry about something breaking.

loved the example

Having Wix Studio as the ad spot at the end of this video is perfect. Why deal with JS when you can noCode.

I watch these to catch the latest buzzwords so I can throw them around in an interview

Never has a web dialog made me tear up. Hi mom indeed

Happy to see you back

Brilliant video series! Please do one every year!

Ah, the good old days of JS framework wars.

Angular new logo is basically adobe but colorful 😅

I was malding for not seeing htmx mentioned in the list. Glad I waited till the end before commenting. 😅

In vue 3 I made a component out of Dialog element, and to be honest it was great, UNTIL I needed to show a tooltip over the dialog, where the tooltip utility I had written was inside the body tag, AND the new dialog element was rendered at the top layer, meaning my tooltip was rendered behind the backdrop. sad story, good bye dialog element, until there's a way to render something over it from outside the dialog ...

Hey Jeff, what makes you use svelte over solidjs? I started using svelte about 2 years ago but last year tried solid and I haven't looked back. Solid has similar reactive/signal patterns as svelte, but allows you to use jsx instead of svelte style templates.

2 big hits in the webdev realm for me in 2023 : 1) HTMX, means I don't need any layers of BS on the frontend anymore 2) Zig web libs have matured, so I don't need any layers of BS on the backend anymore 1 + 2 == Super lean and clean, and so simple to work with. It's nice to be able to just focus on the app for once, and not have all this massive baggage that comes with all these frameworks and tools. Generate a single statically linked binary, that includes all embedded assets, build for any platform, and only needs a few MB of memory to run. Rust, Vue, React, Next, Angular, Go, PHP, Java, Node, etc etc - can all go in the bin now.

damn astro slighted... transitions are sweet

i decided to give it a try and use nextjs for one project. now my nostalgy glands are tingling for older and simpler php times.

I just use vanilla JS and it is ridiculously comfy

This is why web development pisses me off. There are too many frameworks to learn and they constantly change, some might be better or worse in any given year. Developing windows apps is easy because all you need is .NET and C#. There needs to be a standard ECMA framework.

Now I have to release a new javascript framework just to compete for this amazing prize Thanks for giving me motivation

This cracked me up a bunch. Thanks.