Send the lock to big clive and have him explain how the board works Edit: let's extend the idea based on the discussion below. @bigclivedotcom can explain the workings of the board. Tell us what the cap is used for. And as Bill couldn't see a charge port it might be interesting how that's done. Maby after that the lock can be send on to @deviantolam, he might know someone able to find exploids, but remember the jtag isn't available when the lock is used, so the exploit should work via Bluetooth

Big Clive's accent changed

As I was suspecting, I didn't see anything that looked like an inductive coil. So I looked it up. User guide states "You never need to replace the battery in the iBox because it uses a long-life lithium battery. No maintenance is required and the battery is designed to last the life of the product - a minimum of six years. When removing the shackle on the iBox, your key will display the current battery level in the iBox. The battery level is also sent to the Supra data center and can be viewed on SupraWEB." In other words. you have a disposable lock. How much does that thing cost?

Very cool. Glad to see you posting again, haven't seen you post since last year!

Ooh, a Microtech Halo. That's a good friend you have there.

I cried inside when you scraped the board so roughly with the screw driver

I didn't see anything on that board that looked like a wireless charging pickup. It's possible that battery is just a permanent "lifetime" battery. Lithiums will hold a charge about ten years, so it's not unheard of. (You can get smoke detectors with permanent batteries. Instead of having to remember to replace your batteries twice a year, you just replace the detector every ten years. That's about how long the sensors in them last, so you'll replace them that often anyway.) That big capacitor is probably to help power the solenoids. When they pull in to open the lock they'll draw a big pulse of current, and that could drag down the battery voltage low enough to reset the microprocessor. The cap will help prop up the voltage so that won't happen.

No induction charging coil so it's probably a use it till it dies thing.

Episode 27 "Someone is breaking into the house!" "Don't worry I borrowed Bill's Christmas present."

I loaned my firewood splitter to a neighbor and chained it to a tree with locks that i do not have a key for. I have confidence in my rudamentary skills some of which i got by watching this channel and a couple of others. Thank you Bill. The locks are masterlocks #3s so it's not like I'm doing anything impressive. But to non-pickers it looks good.

Thanks for disassembling that sucker! LOL

As someone who works in information technology it was very satisfying to watch you destroy that thing Bill, thanks!

AvE would have a day with all that silicon carne. Big Clive would have taken macro pics printed out on A1 size paper. ElectroBoom would have "tested" the battery output.

I suspect that the metal plates are used to block Magnetic fields on the solenoids.

Happy New Year Bill and everyone. Thank you for the videos and the update on the LockLab site. I am looking forward to the updates and more videos.

Found the flyer from the manufacturer. It's a "lifetime" battery. Company is owned by Carrier..

I'm going to have to pick up one of these; I see a non-electronic bypass possibility. I work on houses, and am sometimes called on to do a repair on a vacant house going to or already on the market. Once in awhile I get on-site to discover that the owner's or contractor's box which I have to code for has been changed to one of these. You see lots of comments on locksport vids about it helping thieves but they also help a lot of folks like me with a legitimate and legal need to get past the lock as well as informing lock buyers on which choices are better for them. Thieves ain't going to go through the trouble or expense because they don't care whether they break something or not; they have a crowbar and they're in. This is the reality of it.

Thanks for all your great reviews

Hope you had a wonderful New Year's Eve Bill. Thanks for all the work you're doing for the community. I look forward to seeing more picks, more promotion of other lockpick channels, more giveaways and the expanded library. You are really showing Locksport in the best light.

Hey Bill! Thanks for supporting other locksporters and continuing to show and tell us all about such cool stuff! Stay safe, especially with that knife! :)

Send the board to big Clive to reverse engineer!

Thanks for the video. Happy New and safe Year 🔑👍

If the lock is not rare or collectible the answer is always going to be open it up love your videos keep up the good work

Thanks Bill. Happy new year

Very well done video. Thank you Bill

Nice job Bill, now that is a successful gutting! 😁 Happy New Year to you and yours Bill, and to the LockLab tribe!

Happy New Year Bill, and continued success as you grow the channel!

Happy 2021 Bill, loved watching your vids over the past few years.

Saying this as anovice: That's far more than what I was expecting!

Love your videos and website!!! Happy New Year!!

No day off? That’s dedication to the community 👍 Yup, it’s good to see other videos on the lock lab website, as you say; lots of talent out there.

congrats. my first video of the new year!

Great video. Thanks Bill.

BTLE stands for Blue Tooth Low Energy... it probably never gets charged because it was manufactured with all the power it needs. The capacitor is to provide enough current to hold the locking pawls open for several seconds so the user can push the shackle, or the key box, and allow it to open. I bet your magnetic storm tool would have opened it up if you could focus on the solenoids.

Very VERY nice gift!! That knife is outstanding!! A nice return for all you have done for the locksport community!!

Thanks for all Happy New Year !

I am not sure but I think you may have voided the warranty

Love that knife Bill... I want one.

Autopsy complete. This lock suffers from the same issue as those cheap safes with a weak solenoid. Thanks for the autopsy Bill

I love all the different intros, a lot of talent and time. Great video too.....

Thank you

Great job and video like always

Love the view of your naughty bucket. Some awesome locks in there!

😎HAPPY NEW YEARS BILL and your better half..what a fantastic video looking forward to the new changes looks exciting my friend..😎

great video looking forward to see the new stuff

All the best in the New Year.

Happy New year !

Happy New Year Bill!

Hi Bill! Thx for a interesting tareapart. Could yo do a closeup photo on each side of the circuit board?

Thanks BB Happy new year

The pile of rubble of what’s left of the lock is awesome!

Coolest intro animation yet, Bill!

Happy new years bill all the best!!

New Years treat for everyone a cross between Bill's usual fayre and Big Clive. You could pass it on to him and make it semi-collaboration, he does electronics teardowns.

I've had one of those sitting around since I bought my house 4 years ago - the realtor didn't want it because they were being upgraded. It now belongs to my lock picking-learning son. With no mill or grinder it'll be interesting to see how he does.

Had no idea so much was offered on the website. Gotta go check it out.

Happy New Year everybody! Hopefully 2021 brings better times for us all.

Amazing!!!!

Interesting. And that's a cool switchblade.

Happy New Year !

Happy New Year Bill. 👍

Send the board to Big Clive.

Lol love it bill... Just rips into the insulation with a screwdriver 😆😆

HAPPY NEW YEAR TRIBE

HAPPY NEW YEAR BILL.

Nice video.

That noise the knife made

You are amazing and of course keep up the good work the nice quality videos and we all appreciate the giveaways 2021 is my year to win. Congratulations to all the winners of 2020

0:22 That is the most frickin' terrifying knife I've ever seen. I bet it's claimed a fair few curious eyes.

Be careful not to open that knife when it’s in your pocket! 😳😉🤣

Happy New Year

Well now we know. Thanks Bill.

Very Lucky Guy Bill With Your New Microtech Auto. Great Video As Always. Keep up the great work. Nick🧔🏽, Lock Pick Nick 🔓.

As some are noting: send the motors & board to Big Clive & the aluminum body to BigstackD down under. Cheers mate! Happy new year Bill!

"this little battery couldn't generate too much wattage" My dude, modern lithium cells are absurdly powerful. A set of LG HG2 18650 cells can do up to 80A at around 3V, that's nearly a quarter of a kilowatt. It won't do it for longer than about 30 seconds, but it'll still generate ungodly amounts of heat in the meantime. That cell looks like it's about half an 18650, so at the very least I'd expect it to be able to push out around a hundred watts for a brief period of time.

I had a look at the manual (Bill, I googled it!). The battery is non-rechargeable and not designed to be replaced. Supposedly it lasts the design life of the lock, which is 'at least 6 years'. Each to their own... Regarding the floppy shackle with that gap: I guess I'm just slow. I assume it's because of the ridged solenoid actuators which seem designed to make rapping it open harder (though clearly not hard enough to delay an expert).

Happy new year bill

I assume they've thought of it, but presumably the solenoid has its spring-loaded lugs out when it's unpowered? If not, you could possibly drill through where they join the PCB and they'll retract?

A universal key to every lock is a angle grinder !

You did a great job taking it apart now show us how to put it back together now lol

Happy New Year gang!

You could ship the electronics to BigClive and he would reverse engineer it.

Looks like a good product. Too bad about the one flaw. Thanks

wow nice knife!

So it looks like it's well designed, except the manufacturer that made the solenoids didn't make the locking pins long enough. It looks like it was designed to trap and seize the solenoid pins in the cutouts in the shackle, to prevent the rapping attack from working. But somehow, Thier quality assurance team missed that the solenoids aren't up to specification. So let's hope they see your teardown and rectify the problem.

It would be great to have a clean high resolution photo of both sides of the circuit board so we can identify chips.

Wonder if an attack with some kind of high voltage stun gun or something might activate the solenoid for a sec and defeat bottom key holder?

TJ sure is nice!, Thats a $650 Microtech (when you are lucky enough to find them in stock) with some the best premium steel like Bohler M390.

Happy New Year all

Starting off the new year with destruction!!! I LOVE IT!!! Hey Bill, what brand of milling machine do you have there?

Most of the Supra manuals I have seen say the battery is non-replacable and non-rechargable. For their Tracess vault lids they claim a 7 year battery operational life.

There is a giveaway on a small channel right now and he wants to know how we got started in locksport but I told him someone did this few years ago and almost everybody got their start because of you including me lol

Very cool gutting. Definitely worth it! Thanks. Would be awesome if your site hosted picking/gutting videos by Tallan Pick, if he's not already featured on there.

I think that was a Bluetooth sensor I think they’re really easy to open my friend is a realtor all they do is look at where they’re at And it gives them the unlock Bluetooth signal code or some thing like you need a app

Now how many are now wanting to see the manufacturer markings on the components?

I hope that button on the knife is hard to push. I'd hate to have it activate in a pocket.

Knowing how these boxes are designed and their function you had a great cursory opinion of what you saw. Some of it is a little off like the cap is used for the solenoids which are activated for only a few seconds at a time when released. In my area, we "buy" the lock for a flat fee and being a Realtor in good standing they just replace the lock anytime we bring it back so it can be shipped off for reconditioning. The keys will never get stuck inside unless your Realtor is a complete moron and doesn't monitor the status of their lockboxes. Access is a bluetooth interface but I am pretty sure the data transmission is based on some really old 1g or 2g cell tech because the data transmitted is very minimal. Data transmitted is usually an agent ID, time of access, time lock has been reclosed. Under regular use they typically last over 6 years before you need to trade it in for a new box. With low usage they are good for about 10 years. The electronics are dormant when not in use and to "wake up" the lock to access you press the key holder up into the lock which tells it to look for the bluetooth signal of the agent accessing it.

If the solenoids are the same, can you also “rap” the key box out like the shackle attack?

Would you consider contacting and sending the remains of that BTLE circuit to BigCliveDotCom or Dave at EEVBlog both on UKposts. They reverse engineer stuff and explain their workings. Would be fun to see both sides of this lock worked out.

I hope you do a giveaway of the parts, I sure could re-purpose the parts into a hidden safe lock. Better then a landfill.