2 DIE after airplane CRASHES into wooded area near St. Augustine Airport!

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A Mooney M20K crashed in a wooded area about three minutes after departure from Rwy 13 at St. Augustine-Northeast Florida Regional Airport, FL (SGJ).
The aircraft was attempting an emergency return to the point of departure of SGJ due to an opened door.
The two occupants were fatally injured and, the aircraft was destroyed.
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00:00 Intro
00:04 Description of the situation
00:46 "Door just popped open"
13:02 Real footage from the crash site
14:47 "Unfortunately, no medical need"
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КОМЕНТАРІ: 653

@the_flight_records Місяць тому

01:17 Unfortunately, the pilot was unable to ready to roll again... RIP... Kudos to the controller and the police helo pilot.

@BlueSkyUp_EU Місяць тому

01:27 - He was so joyful, in a good mood. Heart breaking

@Jmg831 Місяць тому

@@BlueSkyUp_EU😢

@komet5420 Місяць тому

Any reason "wake turbulence" was censored @ 6:04 ?

@the_flight_records Місяць тому

@@komet5420 I made a typo there! Closed to avoid embarrassment. Sorry about that.

@the_flight_records Місяць тому

@@tracksuitJohnI took the title from the news.

@4tfy442 Місяць тому

I fly out of this airport every day, and this controller is the nicest controller I’ve ever had the honor of meeting. He always goes above and beyond.

@elit2175 Місяць тому

Cheers from st. Auggie

@micadean1600 27 днів тому

❤❤❤❤

@mrpotter315 Місяць тому

I hope that controller is recognized in his community for the outstanding work that he did. It’s very impressive to hear a professional manage us hugely stressful situation as clearly and calmly as this man did. Terrible tragedy, but the community did everything they did to find these poor folks. Unfortunately it was not going to help this time.

@davidbrooks1724 Місяць тому

Absolutely agree . These controllers are amazing. Handle large load in short amount time

@DougBowman6 Місяць тому

Agreed 💯

@WHBVERDE69 Місяць тому

I did most of my cross countries and some night ops over at KSGJ. This controller is always professional and nice! Great guy!

@riverrat7411 Місяць тому

Yea, that broke my heart listening to him. I bet he went home and collapsed, you can just hear the pain in his voice. What a phenomenal job of maintaining composure, I hope he will be ok.

@DougBowman6 Місяць тому

@@riverrat7411Same here, dude was amazing, juggled traffic, willing to take suggestions from pilots, wanted to find the missing plane. Just heartbreaking. Hopefully dude gets some time off and a big atta boy for getting it done.

@davedickson6301 Місяць тому

I also would like to commend the ATC, Police Helicopter pilot , medevac pilot and first responders for the quick and decisive actions and professionalism. This was my brothers plane and he was the pilot. He had just picked the plane up in North Carolina the day before, and he and his best friend were on their way down to homestead to visit with my family down here. We are dealing with the aftermath as is his children, his friends family and other family members. Life is precious and we don’t take it for granted.

@gregreinert5815 Місяць тому

Deepest sympathies to you and your family. Godspeed.

@davedickson6301 Місяць тому

@@gregreinert5815 thank you!

@joinjen3854 29 днів тому

So sorry to you and the family. I was just in St Augustine a few weeks ago.

@davedickson6301 29 днів тому

@@joinjen3854 thank you.

@lynnparent5565 29 днів тому

Dear, dear family's, I'm so sorry this I happen to all their loved ones😢❤❤❤❤

@SextonHardcastle85 Місяць тому

The Controller is a consummate professional. To handle the traffic and coordinating search and rescue efforts is absolutely amazing. My heart goes out to all involved in this sad situation.

@brooklynrobotworks9866 Місяць тому

It was affirming to listen to the entire audio, witnessing how professional everyone was. Thank you.

@carlmclelland7624 Місяць тому

As a retired controller, that tower operator did an outstanding job of maintaining control in a professional manner. As a retired corporate pilot & flight instructor, with about 1,000 hours of Mooney time, I can imagine the distraction created by that open baggage door flapping and banging. HOWEVER, it wouldn't adversely affect the ability to fly and land safely. Another commenter made mention of the laminar flow wing on the Mooney, and he's correct about low and slow and tight turns. That said, had the pilot flown a normal pattern at the correct airspeed, he would have landed safely.....

@spitfireinvasion Місяць тому

Yeah I was wondering about the effects of a blown open door, would that affect the flow over the horizontal stabilizer at all or is this just a case of distraction, low airspeed, base to final stall spin?

@airmecher Місяць тому

You are so right. All through flight training all of my instructors stressed when things go wrong, fly the airplane! A couple even popped the door open right after takeoff. It is loud. But the aircraft flies. Just shrug, and land.

@MikeM275 25 днів тому

The single most important thing stressed to me in all of my flying with instructors, starting with Privates thru ATP was.....FLY THE PLANE. So many accidents are caused by distractions instead of flying the plane. A door unlatched should have been nothing to worry about here. The pilot sounded like he understood this and wasn't worried. I can't fathom how this crash could have happened.

@spitfireinvasion 25 днів тому

@@MikeM275 yeah that's what gets me on this one, it sounded like the pilot was super chill at first...

@carlmclelland7624 25 днів тому

During my years of instructing, I often loaded the student, especially instrument students with distractions. The point of that... always fly the plane first. The baggage door flapping, a distraught passenger... who knows? The position of rest, as depicted above, shows the plane impacted right of the runway centerline after flying a left hand pattern. Further, it shows the plane crowding the airport on downwind. I'm seeing the pilot overshooting the turn to final and the age old... kick in a little rudder and skid it around, only to be at low speed in a steep, skidding turn, and a resultant stall spin. (Also keep in mind, depending on the conditions the pilot has created for himself, the 'stall-spin' could very well emulate a snap roll, rather than a mere stall with the outboard wing coming up and over). EVERY student pilot I trained, before I wrote the recommendation for the flight test, did spins. An hour of ground school to explain what a spin is (aggravated stall), explain what a person would sense, and the recovery. I'd use a Cessna 150 Aerobat and after the first demonstration, they were enthused, rather than scared. The coup-de-grass, I'd pick a long straight road and create the scenario... "We're low and slow, and over shooting the turn to final, so I'm skidding around the turn to final and adding back pressure to speed up the turn and............... over we go!" When the students responds with... "Well now I know why," you know you've possibly saved a life.

@JonathanWinton123 Місяць тому

This controller is amazing. What a gentleman in such a difficult situation.

@dgriffin6074 Місяць тому

The audio had me respecting the job air traffic controllers do even more. Talk about multi-tasking!

@love2fly558 Місяць тому

Pilot didn’t say which door. Passenger door is not big deal, however Luggage Compartment door in Mooneys is an emergency. Mooneys don’t fly well with LC doors open, and also run the danger of the door separating and hitting the horizontal stabilizer. The LC door is locked with a latch and a key locks the latch in place for further redundancy. I owned a M20J, I added “LC door and latch locked” in my preflight chklst.

@gmanbuilder9843 Місяць тому

Baggage Door is clearly still attached to the airplane in the video footage. Open, but attached.

@kevgardner8548 Місяць тому

Open baggage door on an m20 has little to no effect on performance. Embarrassed to admit it, but been there done that. Distractions, if you let them, will kill you.

@n118nw 28 днів тому

There's a video on YT of a M20 crashing in a field because of an open door.. I don't recall off the top of my head if it separated and damaged the h.stab or not.. but I know of a M20J that crashed because the bank angle was too steep on a base to final turn and the pilot couldn't roll out.. and I'm wondering if the pilot did that in his turn to final

@mana29166 28 днів тому

Me too.

@geraldheinig1473 27 днів тому

@@kevgardner8548 M20G jock here. Also embarrassed to admit it, but been there, done that too. Biggest damage was to my ego 🤣🤣

@relic69 Місяць тому

With such a sad situation, the communication was incredible. The controller was outstanding.

@bonnford9164 Місяць тому

My son flies out of that airport, the planes land next to Hwy U.S 1 and I do not like it, too afraid a plane will land on a car.

@jacobanderson9292 Місяць тому

that makes no sense @@bonnford9164

@jaceallen3270 Місяць тому

I flew with my door unlatched once and it opened I looked to my left and said “OH SH*T” and my instructor said “do you feel like you’re about to fall out?” I said “no” and he said “then we’re alright”

@MKwan82 25 днів тому

The problem is wind resistance. One of my CFI was a 70 y/o navy pilot and he demonstrated to me how the door can act like rudder if you have them opened in flight. They probably didn't carry enough altitude to buffer for the extra resistance and potential deadly spin stall recovery since the door can act like a giant rudder.

@davidcubero2137 24 дні тому

I'm a recently retired Airline Pilot with over 40 years of service & I'm an owner of Multiple G.A. Aircraft. In my experience, I believe that this Pilot simply became so distracted by The Opened Baggage Compartment Door that He lost his Situational Awareness & let His Aircraft become too slow & went into a Stall/Spin Situation. Unfortunately, being on Final he would have been too low to even attempt any Stall Recovery. My heart goes out to The Family & Friends of The Men that perished in this crash! I'm sincerely sorry for their loss! May G-d Comfort them in this difficult time!

@mijo3642 Місяць тому

I had a Mooney 20C, This aircraft has a laminar flow wing.. you cannot pull tight turns at slow speed. An open door is NOT a safety issue!!

@bikeguy3034 Місяць тому

Agree - it is also aligned with the airflow so has no real impact on drag etc. It also didn't depart the aircraft as images of crashed aircraft shows baggage door open and attached. I actually think the pilot just became overwhelmed, let the airspeed decay on the turn and stalled.

@frankfielder Місяць тому

The "impossible turn"?

@ianlitchfield9273 Місяць тому

@@frankfielder No thats not the 'impossible turn'

@moonmullins8227 Місяць тому

Pilots initial voice is calm and seems to understand it is a non event. Must have totally lost his situational awareness and let it stall and spin low to the ground. You don't get to try again.

@christophergagliano2051 Місяць тому

Yes and that's why it is absolutely ridiculous to fly a square pattern with two sharp 90° turns. It's much better to make a curving final approach from downwind as it reduces your bank angle and thus increasing the margin of safety with regards to load factor (bank angle). High performance seldom if ever fly a squared up pattern due to the risks as just noted.

@Rick_Retired Місяць тому

St Augustine airport was not presenting a high density traffic situation. It was night 2's preference to remain on scene to direct foot traffic, and did so. The controller had made it clear to night 2 that they could just say the word and get immediate landing clearance to re-fuel. The police helicopter, night 2, coordinated safely, and effectively, with the controller who was then able to to handle inbound traffic as well. That professional sequence displayed an incredible synergy.

@billyray3761 Місяць тому

The frustrating part of this is that an open door is a non event. Forget the door and fly the plane first. Condolences to the family.

@erickborling1302 Місяць тому

That's absolutely right. Pilot got distracted by the door issue.

@scottulrich2725 Місяць тому

My CFI showed me what would happen if a door came open, which is pretty much nothing. Unless you push it out and you can move a 152 around and still fly.

@GiancarloGiuliano-wo5iy Місяць тому

For my first solo, my CFI inadvertently damaged his window latch and the window would flap in and out the entire time. My CFI apologized but made it very clear that it was not a safety issue. It’s so sad the occupants in this crash did not realize how trivial this situation was and that this outcome did not need to happen. RIP 😢

@dks13827 Місяць тому

@@erickborling1302 why? how ?

@afdchocolatemilk2107 Місяць тому

It is a Mooney thing, billy ray?

@Rose-rh2rg Місяць тому

"No medical need." What a sad summery.

@fv1291 Місяць тому

Summary.

@carlmorgan8452 Місяць тому

That's a rap

@N75911_ Місяць тому

@@carlmorgan8452 Not quite. We'll have weeks of investigating by the NTSB and have a preliminary report in a couple of months and figure out what really happened.

@stewie84 Місяць тому

That controller is absolutely fantastic! He did an amazing job managing this whole tragic situation and kept everyone else safe.

@the_flight_records Місяць тому

Absolutely

@VooDooDaddy46 Місяць тому

Airspeed is life.

@MKwan82 25 днів тому

Altitude too in that situation. He needed extra to trade it for airspeed.

@squanchy474 Місяць тому

RIP crew. This is what being a ATC is really about. Managing regular and emergency traffic together. Great job in that respect, nothing that could have been done better I think

@TheMountain295 Місяць тому

He was probably so worried about the door that he forgot to fly the plane. Aviate, navigate, communicate. Very sad.

@charleshultquist9233 Місяць тому

His voice didn't sound stressed or worried.

@Pushyhog 28 днів тому

he sounded stressed last two. ditto, forgot to fly. bad on dwn wind leg.

@jamesjordan6005 Місяць тому

That's what I call a profession controller. He was able to put that entire search operation together with inbound traffic and maintained his cool through it all and the team he put together to search the area were outstanding as well. Excellent job to all involved and prayers out to the families of the diseased.

@RealThunderberg Місяць тому

Not a pilot here just a flight sim guy and aviation enthusiast forever. Can't even begin to tell you how much I appreciate and learn from y'all real deal pros who take the time to weigh in with comments under these videos always providing so much insight as to what might have gone wrong in these incidents. RIP the two lost w condolences to their dear ones & serious credit to ATC for the way he handled the communications keeping everybody organized and managing the scene.

@user-rh9mh5kh3p 25 днів тому

Blah blah blah

@nullc0ntext Місяць тому

As tragic as this is, listening to everyone reminds me the world is not entirely a cold and hellish place. Kudos to everyone involved for their courteousness and professionalism in this.

@CanardBoulevard Місяць тому

What a shame. A good friend of mine owned this airplane for quite a while, I have flown it several times. It was a beautiful, fast airplane. RIP the pilots.

@emergencylowmaneuvering7350 Місяць тому

Didnt know how to fly a close pattern and do a short approach too. Then stalled it when overshot final too. 3 student pilot errors. Plus leaving the door unsecured. 4 student pilot errors in a few minutes only. EFATO CFI for 3k hours..

@MattPiekarsky Місяць тому

@@emergencylowmaneuvering7350 The door ripped off and struck the tail causing the plan to spin into the ground... Check the report next time.

@70baja 29 днів тому

@@MattPiekarsky What report is this? The aerial footage appears to show the door still attached to the aircraft

@dohabandit 28 днів тому

@@70bajaNTSB report stated the baggage door (not cabin door) detached and became entangled in the tail section. After reading this and also seing "mooney pilots" stating that an opened baggage door is NOT a safety issue, I see that there are other historical reports of this exact situation where the baggage door wasn't secured and damaged the tail section in flight leading to a crash. I think the people saying this is NOT a safety issue need to read some NTSB reports, and do a triple check on the latch and safety mechanism before flying.

@70baja 27 днів тому

@@dohabandit Do you have a source for the ntsb report? Their website has no reports for events after 2-27-24

@john-lk1xd Місяць тому

When I first pulled that audio, what an amazing turn of events. Controller was a rock star, felt for the Helicopter pilot when he said, no need for medical, just took the wind out of sails. Sad day, RIP

@clqudy4750 Місяць тому

I live here and saw this when it popped up in local news feed. No details until later. Sucks this happened to the 2 people from NC in their Mooney. St Augustine is lucky to have every possible resource available for emergencies: Sheriff helos, our beautiful Life Flight and crews, and an excellent ATC crew. But none of that helped these aviators. Rest in Peace. 😞😢

@TampaCEO Місяць тому

This is textbook professionalism by all people involved. Thank you all for demonstrating exactly how to handle a situation like this. R.I.P. to the people on board.

@robertvogt5606 Місяць тому

This controller handled this situation & all traffic exceptionally well .

@hutcheod5640 Місяць тому

Air traffic controller sounds amazing. Knows his area, has controll of his Airspace and is calm.

@juliaeberz4508 Місяць тому

I did my PPL at KSGJ in 2011. ATC was always very friendly and professional, as this controller here (I think I remember his voice from the numerous touch-and-gos I practiced there). It breaks my heart that two people died at "my" airport. R.I.P. from Frankfurt, Germany 🖤

@johnsealey3990 Місяць тому

Kudos to the controller - managed his airspace very well.

@kendallevans4079 Місяць тому

I'm not a pilot, just a fan of aviation. I must say I'm impressed how, in a situation like this, everyone seems to come together and help as much as possible!

@erickborling1302 Місяць тому

Except the individual who said "no joy" (that's unprofessional) instead of "no contact."

@BradM73 Місяць тому

@@erickborling1302 "no joy" is a fairly standard term used in aviation, especially by military pilots. I would not consider that unprofessional.

@user-vr5pm3nb4p Місяць тому

I had a Mooney, M20F. On climb out the door popped open. Not the back luggage door but the access door. Plane flew normal and returned to land. Uneventful. This pilot seemed fine right up to the moment he wasn't. Probably distracted and stalled. Very unfortunate. Condolences.

@logisticspilot Місяць тому

baggage door open on a mooney can quickly turn into an emergency...its not faired with the wind...can depart an hit the tail

@dohabandit 28 днів тому

@@logisticspilotThe report in this case stated this is exactly what happened here. Looking at historical reports it also isn't the first time. Check that door every time!

@FlyingNDriving 26 днів тому

@@logisticspilotwell the baggage door is still attached in the video so...

@larryeans4072 Місяць тому

ATC professional and deserves recognition. Humbling audio. Sad day

@petepeterson5337 Місяць тому

Bonanza guy here. I trust the Mooney folks who say that an open door is not a serious safety hazard. The couple of times when I have had unexpected events airborne, including a door opening on my V35B, I literally said out loud to myself; "THIS Is a screw-up opportunity!", and REALLY focused on flying the plane, airspeeds and GUMPS!

@dohabandit 28 днів тому

I don't trust the guy, because several NTSB reports show the baggage door detaching during flight, hitting tail, and causing uncontrolled impact with the ground.

@petepeterson5337 27 днів тому

@@dohabanditGood Morning Mr. Bandit - I very much hope you are wrong. This plane never achieved very much airspeed, so coming off is not what I would expect. PRESUMABLY the cargo door hinges are designed to survive a door coming open at any IAS the plane is certificated to operate at. Hopefully this doesn't lead to a costly major AD for our Mooney friends.

@SCOHEN250K Місяць тому

He was approximately 600-700 m away from the centerline of the runway on downwind. Possibly too close. Then he made a tight turn (>30degrees bank perhaps) because he most likely overshot the turn. The result was low speed and too tight a turn. He could have widened up his downwind by flying up the river a bit and then maintaining the proper speed.

@halmc8109 Місяць тому

A sad event, the lesson will almost certainly be this: don't forget to fly the plane. It's alarming when a door pops open, but you're still flying an aircraft.

@scotty657 Місяць тому

I would guess the package door was left ajar

@zsolteditor 28 днів тому

the controller, the teamwork.. just good.

@BillSmith-rx9rm Місяць тому

Based on the pilots communications, he seemed calm. But obviously the open door distracted his attention.

@Brian-mp2mv Місяць тому

I've not been able to fly since August 2006, when our plane was circling over Comair 5191 crash site at Lexington airport the morning of the accident. I didn't fly a whole lot before that, but watching emergency response vehicles and the smoldering wreckage changed my views of commercial flight. Got off the plane and extended my rental car to use for return trip home. RIP for the souls on board.

@davidbsac 25 днів тому

Well, I understand your fear. However, statistically you’re a lot safer in that airplane than you are in any car.

@gregdrmax Місяць тому

Guessing too slow and tight of turn...stall.

@annsheridan12 Місяць тому

Classic stall spin.

@joshrandall5297 Місяць тому

Great job by the ATC in a difficult situation. Clear and concise communication by all involved. Condolences to the families of the deceased.

@irishcurse65 Місяць тому

A open door shouldn't be that distracting. I had a door on a 172 pop open a few times. Tragic. RIP

@KashifKhursheed-ng1vk Місяць тому

I had the window on my side of a 172 open right after takeoff with a loud woosh , that startled my instrument instructor but I remember not reacting to it... I guess cuz I'm I had it drilled into me that at critical times there is no way I going to needlessly be distracted by secondary issues.

@leeroyholloway4277 Місяць тому

Cessna doors will barely latch on a good day...

@peacelovejoyandhappiness 29 днів тому

What do you think caused their crash? I feel so bad they are gone. Rest in peace in heaven brother and sister.

@irishcurse65 29 днів тому

@@peacelovejoyandhappiness Don't want to speculate. The police helicopter said there wasn't a lot of tree damage like it went straight in. Seems like a stall spin but that is simply a guess

@peacelovejoyandhappiness 29 днів тому

@@irishcurse65 thank you so much for your response. I hope you have a wonderful Easter. More prayers for the deceased in the accident. 💐 🙏🏼

@jackreynolds612 Місяць тому

So sad. RIP. Condolences to their families. This ATC did an outstanding job!! You guys/girls are very appreciated!

@barryhoneycutt3894 Місяць тому

The ATC is frk EXCELLANT what stress that is..... kudos. Sir

@swiftadventurer Місяць тому

Been talking with ATC for 44 years... I'm not familiar with excellant... what is that?

@billyjack3361 Місяць тому

I’ve owned Mooney’s for 45 years. IF it was the main door and NOT the baggage door it is not an emergency. You don’t even have to land to close it. There is a procedure to close the door in flight in the Pilots Operating Manual.

@mperson1890 Місяць тому

The pilot didn’t SEEM worried. Possible loss of situational awareness/altitude. Was this at night?

@annabellecamp66 Місяць тому

Im with SJCFR and saw it all coming in through our dispatch. Hearing this end of everything is very eye opening

@lindaj5492 Місяць тому

The training of everyone on this exchange is really impressive. Condolences to those bereaved.

@bradleybarnett2490 Місяць тому

The pilot didn't seem to upset about the door opening. It SHOULDN'T be a big deal and he sounded like it wasn't...but something happened. Very curious to know what exactly.

@callmewifey9120 Місяць тому

I learned about this after flying from KTLH to KSFB. When i landed the pilot ahead of me was on freq during the crash, very scary and my condolences to the familys

@GaryLaaks1 Місяць тому

Sad. I would imagine the open door distracted the pilot and he may have forgotten to drop flaps and got too slow.

@haber1259 Місяць тому

Very sad. I was in the back of a Mooney last year and our door popped open. My buddy flew a normal pattern and we landed real quick and secured the door. This humbles me a bit. Very sad for these 2 and their families. Prayers for them all.

@atypocrat1779 Місяць тому

The animation seemed to show the airplane overshooting the the extended centerline of the runway and you know what probably happened next. RIP.

@100above7 Місяць тому

Here is your answer : KSGJ 251556Z 07010KT 10SM OVC041 21/16 A3013 10 knot tailwind on base leg would imply about a 74 knot indicated diminishing to 63 in the base to final turn. Popped door not only requires maintaining focus but also carrying additional airspeed. Something about how the air flows or the airspeed indicator indicates appears to require about an additional 10 knots of airspeed to maintain the same angle of attack in my experience. Long story short they slowed down to much and stalled it, unable to recover due to the low alt and in it went. This is not the first crash due to the after an M20K door issue and won't be the last.

@cruisingal2 Місяць тому

Thank you for the info. Sounds very plausible. ATC did an excellent job handling the situation.

@drbobby101 Місяць тому

No mention of altitude. Data shows 3 mins of flight. He may never had reached pattern altitude and might have been very low base to final as well

@100above7 Місяць тому

@@drbobby101 He never got to pattern altitude since he was already descending to land

@kristensorensen2219 Місяць тому

The turn from base to final is a common stall spin location because of excess rudder and low speed. This shows why flying your airplaine is top of your to do list. Obviously a sloppy preflight ended in two dead. Why people like this think they should be flying with passengers is anyones guess. As a CFIA&I it is something I have seen the results of poor airmanship!!😢

@Pushyhog 28 днів тому

ditto, so many crashes over the years.

@hotttt28 Місяць тому

Aviate navigate communicate !RIP condolences to the family

@rlkinser Місяць тому

I've seen other Mooney aircraft where a departed baggage door struck the elevator. This pilot seemed pretty calm and relaxed, which makes me wonder if something else may have contributed... like the door departing the aircraft and striking the elevator.

@bikeguy3034 Місяць тому

Images of crashed aircraft showed baggage door open and still attached. 13:02. If the main door opened, then it's not going to 'open' - just be unlatched - but yes if the entire thing just fell off and hit the elevator then that might explain it.

@pittss2c601 Місяць тому

or pilot error

@erickborling1302 Місяць тому

@@bikeguy3034That baggage door would not be torn from the aircraft at speeds the Mooney flies. Even if it struck the elevator, aircraft control could be maintained, and apparently was, given the communications.

@moonmullins8227 Місяць тому

door still there and elevator still attached.@@bikeguy3034

@santstravels Місяць тому

Can someone explain to me why they didn’t close the arrivals given they were trying to find a crashed aircraft that potentially needed urgent medical attention? Seems weird that they prioritised the jet arrivals and delayed the search and rescue operation.

@Loneranger670 Місяць тому

Tight turn at low speed caused the Mooney to just drop straight down like a stone. RIP

@pdquestions7673 Місяць тому

trying to fly a tight pattern, overshot final and accelerated stall... he was in a hurry and just distracted enough to degrade airmanship

@smartysmarty1714 Місяць тому

Exactly. This one didn't have to happen.

@emergencylowmaneuvering7350 Місяць тому

@pdquestions7673 Місяць тому

@@emergencylowmaneuvering7350 I was also a CFII MEI in the 1990s, and my honest experience was that pilot skills at all rating levels were generally below what the FAA says it's looking for. Basically analogous to how everyone test-preps for the written tests.. so that we never really know how people would test if they didn't essentially train for the test itself. As I spent time actually flying w students and other pilots, it was like any other profession. Some people, despite having a certificate, are really not good at flying, most people are ok or average, and there's always a few who really have a feel for it & deserve to be called pilots. The system is designed to allow a pretty large ballast of mediocrity and naturally some small percentage of frankly not very good pilots.

@logisticspilot Місяць тому

if it were a baggage door then NO...

@bobcfi1306 Місяць тому

I was a little surprised the tower did not shut the airport down. What is the SOP for this situation?

@baronvonronskisapp Місяць тому

True dam busy.

@kewkabe Місяць тому

The crash didn't happen on the airport so there's no need to shut it down, just coordinate search and rescue if needed.

@baronvonronskisapp Місяць тому

True, but sure got congested with aircraft. Safety First, it was not LAX. Thanks for the comment.@@kewkabe

@erickborling1302 Місяць тому

Small recip with an open door? Just what they did.

@KPMACHINE1 Місяць тому

But what if there was another reason for the crash and they landed another plane that hit debris and blew up! Shoulda at least done a FOD check and fuel check.

@bryansimmons4550 Місяць тому

Just goes to show how tight the aviation community is. Probably none of them except maybe the two helo pilots and the Riddle pilots knew each other, but they all volunteered their services, skills, and aircraft to come to the aid of fellow aviators in distress. It's sad that such a non-event as an open door on a single-engine small private plane could result in loss of life. I was flying solo in a Cherokee once when the cockpit door popped open soon after takeoff. You can't reach the right door from the left pilot's seat, so I assessed the situation as a non-emergency and returned to land, following the published traffic pattern for the airport. I shut down, did a walk around for possible secondary damage, and after finding none, I reentered the cabin, thoroughly secured the door, fired it up and performed a second, uneventful take off. The flight back home was nice and easy, and I thanked myself that I didn't panic over a simple open door. I am NOT saying that this Mooney pilot did anything wrong, but any time there is non-standard action: Aviate, Navigate and then Communicate.

@eaglerare1273 Місяць тому

Great comms and coordination with the tower and the PD helo. Prayers to vics and families affected

@SGTSnakeUSMC Місяць тому

Base to final spin is very possible if he was distracted and overshot the turn.

@emergencylowmaneuvering7350 Місяць тому

@firstcoastcrypto 26 днів тому

This ATC is a true professional and his coordination skills are amazing! I know this area extremely well as I own a house about 3 miles from where the plane went down. My prayers go out to everyone involved and I pray the occupants RIP.

@thetilo8682 Місяць тому

So sad to see this crash.RIP. I had the passenger door pop open on a M20K on rotation - that messed up aerodynamics a little and it was hard to climb, but returned to the runway without problems. Pilot must have become distracted and stalled on base to final.The controller is amazing.

@philipmarsh3522 Місяць тому

Very sad. Controller really handled everything incredibly well, amazing how someone can maintain situational awareness with so much happening.

@ScortchedYFronts Місяць тому

Many Tower controllers in Florida have to deal with so many flight schools...They have to TRANSLATE often.

@jusadude7162 Місяць тому

I have driven past this airport so many times. RIP to those who died. So sad.

@airops9825 Місяць тому

Screw the non-essential traffic, they can divert.

@kentwilliams3326 Місяць тому

I used to have the right door on an older Cessna 172 (5483T) routinely pop open in flight. Because of the airflow along the fuselage it would only open 6 - 8 inches while making quite a racket and drawing a slight vacuum on the cabin. No problem if at altitude, I simply slowed to the best glide speed, reached across the cockpit and slam the door. If near the ground (where it seemed to happen the most) I waited until I had sufficient altitude to execute the above.

@robertg5393 Місяць тому

wow. rip. what a professional responses from all involved.

@stevenslager2323 22 дні тому

Why are people bragging how much better they’ve handled a door open in flight? You don’t really know what happened and nobody gives a shit how good you think you are

@theladder06 Місяць тому

Sad situation…RIP. Excellent communication and very professional by all involved.

@Repo8971 Місяць тому

Damn! I sure hate this. Prayers for all involved.

@truckin-my4mi Місяць тому

What professionalism. From control tower to pilots.

@KonaMan62 Місяць тому

WOW - Although a tragic end to what's generally an easily manageable/survivable inflight incident, the professional conduct of ALL involved makes me proud to be a member of the GA community. In addition to the Tower Controller's excellent "multi-tasking" abilities, his initial situational awareness is something training videos are made of. Additionally, the mixture of Police, Corporate, Private, and STUDENT Pilots is awesome to listen to/witness. For those not familiar with aviation callsigns, the multiple "Riddle____" are training aircraft from nearby Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University. Those flights could be solo students or training flights with instructors onboard. In either case, you couldn't tell from the radio traffic which it is. My sincere condolences to the family and friends of the pilot and passenger, and "BRAVO" to everyone else involved from the Tower, Law Enforcement Air Crew, and @EmbryRiddle organization. That's how it's done, folks. #GeneralAviation #EmbryRiddle #ATC #FAA

@orangecrush5862 Місяць тому

Wow, absolute professionalism of the controller and the other pilots involved!! Sad outcome! RIP!

@kevintaylor791 Місяць тому

This is very sad, my heart goes out to the families. but what always strikes me about tragedy in aviation is the professionalism in the face of tragedy. Everyone in the air acted calmly and professionally, dropped all other plans, to do their best to get help where it's needed. Likely a bunch of strangers, working like a well oiled machine. After a tragedy, there is mourning, of course, but it's never left at that, we learn from it. Sometimes that lesson is a reminder of basics, sometimes that lesson finds a fatal flaw in an aircraft that requires modification, but we strive to learn the lesson, whatever it may be. More areas of life need this.

@Steve-Cro-Magnon-Man Місяць тому

I was in a Mooney in 1989 when the door popped open and sucked the owner’s newspaper out the door. He said - I told them to fix that.

@Robinbamv Місяць тому

This is not the first Mooney baggage door incident I have seen, some time back in the U.K. a baggage door came open and then departed the aircraft hitting and warping its self around the stabiliser and restricting elevator movement. The aircraft was in the cruise but above an airfield , the pilot immediately landed at the airfield. He recorded the incident with a GoPro and it can be found on UKposts. In my opinion the door opened because the safety pin on the internal emergency release was positioned the wrong side of the release handle and did not secure the door.

@PotooBurd 27 днів тому

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@rizzodefrank Місяць тому

I remember a Mooney door coming off and wrapping around the horizontal stab slightly jamming its movement.

@johnlongphre3918 Місяць тому

At first, I thought this was the main cabin door that popped open. The pilot doesn't specify. The footage seems to suggest that it was the baggage compartment door. The baggage compartment door is wide open. I assume that the footage shown was from before the police arrived on foot. Either door popping open is distracting. I strongly believe that he simply forgot to latch the baggage compartment door while getting ready to fly. It will pop open right around rotation speed. At that point, you could chop the throttle and settle it back on the ground or keep flying. Sad. It seems the pilot forgot to just "fly the jet", and let his airspeed get too low, then banked hard when he overshot the runway centerline when turning base-to-final. R.I.P. Could happen to any of us. Don't forget to latch the baggage compartment door before hopping in your aircraft!

@kirkpowell6161 Місяць тому

What a professional controller!

@MajorCaliber Місяць тому

Err, umm, probably just edited out, but... did 773 Mike Sierra EVER get his takeoff clearance?...

@moosejaw50 Місяць тому

Damn, that is the second Mooney in the last few months with an unsecured hatch prior to a crash. RIP The other one was in NH IIRC.

@danielkenweisu4682 Місяць тому

Shows quick things happens in aviation and how the smallest issue can cause loss of situational awareness and fatal accidents. Almost everyone I know who flys has had a door open on them in flight before

@1dariansdad Місяць тому

He let it get slow... Condolences.

@HonorV2ultimate1tb Місяць тому

i thought so too.... stalled on base turn?

@CazualTim Місяць тому

Wow. I'm so sorry for those experiencing the loss. I know that extends far beyond family in small communities like aviation. That ATC should never have to work again. When we encounter emergencies, may we all have 1/10 the composure he did.

@SuperDuperDavo 22 дні тому

This controller handled it impressively. Great job.

@normandupont Місяць тому

This is a good job from the controller getting eyes on the situation while managing traffic and interacting with assets from aircraft crews coming in and out. Good decisions on managing a situation with clear radio conversation input and output...This should be taken for traffic and piloting schooling has a good exemple of cooperation...Bravo St. Augustine airport crew and controller.

@JG-mf1yk Місяць тому

Pilot seemed calm and under control. Could be that additional damage caused the crash or that he obviously overshot the runway and pulled too hard too slow to make the runway centerline.

@ryanchavers5785 29 днів тому

I have had a door open a couple times in a bonanza. The door, although a huge distraction, pales in comparison to keeping my passengers calm. One time I had to land with a friend of mine practically setting in my lap after his door opened. (It only cracks open) The pilot didn’t panic as a good pilot wouldn’t. I suspect he just got a little distracted.

@maccamacca7762 Місяць тому

Very sad. Great situational awareness from Night 2 @ 3:30

@iansampson2492 Місяць тому

The baggage door opening on that Mooney is not on its own a threatening event....Sounds like he slowed too much ...hindsight always painful....fly the plane always....no matter what.

@andredarin8966 Місяць тому

The position of the aircraft at impact, slightly north and west of the active, suggests the pilot may have attempted a steeper turn than be intended turning base to final to compensate for his position. We all screw up. Some of us just pay a dreadful price.

@johnlongphre3918 Місяць тому

Agreed. Seems like a classic "overshoot the runway centerline..... bank harder.... stall/spin". AoA indicator would have prevented this.

@cruisingal2 Місяць тому

Reading over comments, some people said that it could be a problem with a door popped open on a Mooney specifically, others said not, just fly the aircraft. Regardless, one thought on the matter is if they had a purse or luggage that was threatening to fall out, the pilot could have been concerned/distracted especially if a passenger was complaining about it, and of course flying the plane should have been his only concern and getting back on the ground.

@emergencylowmaneuvering7350 Місяць тому

Didnt know how to fly a close pattern and do a short approach too. Then stalled it when overshot final. 3 student pilot errors. Plus leaving the door unsecured. 4 student pilot errors in a few minutes only. Aviation and Motorcycles are like a self cleaning oven, It eliminates the bad that stick to it. I was Aerobatics and EFATO CFI for 3k hours.

@LightningMcKeen Місяць тому

I’ve had a door come open in flight in a C172, SR20, and BT36 Bonanza. It’s no excuse to fly the plane any differently or get rushed. It’s noisy and cold, but that’s it (and in Florida the airflow is probably very welcome!)