Everyone and their dog miss the manual gearbox yet almost nobody buy[s] them... How come?

I said it before, I’ll say it again: the new C8 Chevorlet Corvette is what the new *Acura NSX should have been,* an affordable light mid-engine supercar fighter with everyday daily luxury car amenities and comfort. They aren’t very comparable as they are now, no, but they _should_ have been. The C8 Corvette is slated to be a modern Toyota Supra and Nissan GT-R killer that could also hang with the Porsche Caymans/911’s and Ferrari’s on the track. Something of a spiritual successor to the road paved by the first 1990 Acura NSX and 2010 Lotus Evora. Always chasing the base Porsche 911’s tail. The Acura NSX didn’t need to become another $150,000 Hybrid Supercar like the BMW i8 because to be honest, nobody really wanted to buy one. The BMW i8 and Acura NSX became the choice for niche hybrid nerds that wanted expensive flashy cars that were unique and literally nobody else bought. The Audi R8, Porsche 911 Turbo, McLaren 570S/540C, Aston Martin Vantage, BMW i8, and Mercedes AMG GTR all compete with the Acura NSX in the supercar market at that price. A Honda produced V10, a V8, or a twin turbocharged V6 (or supercharged V6) built on a much lighter chassis without the hybrid electric batteries would have been sufficient. The Acura NSX looks good, and is technologically advanced like the BMW i8, but they can’t justify the $150,000 price tag. Starting price at $60,000-90,000 is good, just to undercut Porsche.

When you have to mention many other cars to denigrate the C8, the C8 has certainly done the job right (for the most part). Understeer can be neutralized with camber adjustment and is mentioned in the owner's manual (for track use); understeer helps save the drivers that don't know how to drive (as well as they should).

"This Corvette is a Corvette" "The shnozberries taste like shnozberries"

I like that their review was completely transparent. Absolutely no one else has had anything negative or real to say about this car. They didn't find much wrong but at least they were honest about the review.

Imagine driving so many exotic cars that a V8 feels wrong

The understeer is from the standard alignment settings designed to keep retirees out 9f the ditch. Motortrend touched on the performance alignment settings on its review of the C8.

So, I happened to surprise my wife with a 2022 C8 LT2 with the Z51 package. We both had corvettes when we first met in our twenties. So, it was a sentimental purchase. I've been a car enthusiast since I was a teen. Had muscle cars, then bought my first vette 1962 at 21. It was semi customized, and it was and still is beautiful. It was a great feel to own, just not a great drive. but a head turner! So, she took delivery of the C8 in March of 2022. She now has 11k miles on it (two long road trips attributed to half that mileage). She has no hesitation pushing the envelope with it. We do track it locally and even get it on a drag strip with some of the muscle cars. I am not a typical collector as we own them to use and really enjoy them. We've had several other corvettes, and the C8 is impressive as its unlike any of the previous generations. The mid engine dual 8 speed clutch and much more chevy implemented changed the game for the corvette. Now it's a far cry from the two Ferrari's. A 2020 F8 Tributo & 2019 Ferrari 488 GTB! You're also talking about a hugh sticker price difference. We have 7 adult children and our 5th grandchild due soon, but there is still room for another car. I always wanted a Z06, so I have one on order, but a 2023 delivery is questionable. The vettes are just in my blood, but lean towards the Italian super cars.

“I thought i was stealing a manual” 😂😂😂😂

Mid-engine, low price, plenty of power. Yes, this car was designed to understeer on purpose. There will be so many people overdriving their ability in this car. If it was setup for track use, half of them would be in the hedge from power-on oversteer, or lift-off/snap oversteer. They'll probably come out later with a track package that fits a correctly tuned rear diff, and a more focused track mode.

Great shots of the understeer! Many reviewers talk about how cars handle, but rarely do they demonstrate the behavior they're describing or its magnitude. Good job!

Complain about a mid-engine vette that doesn't have a manual. But I never heard complaints about mid-engine Italian cars not having gated shifters... honestly

Willing to bet that understeer is 100% intentional to keep the typical corvette buyer out of the morgue. I would prefer it err on the side of oversteer, but the attorneys seem to prefer understeer. Mid engine / RWD cars have a tendency to give you snap oversteer, which is a blast, if you have fast hands....and will kill you if you don’t. (I know I’m not telling you anything you don’t already know).

* Chevy has entered under-steer chat room * Audi: Oh hey, welcome! I was getting lonely here. lol

The Z51 package is not necessarily what gives you 5 extra horsepower. It is the performance exhaust which is included in the Z51 package, but also a stand alone option.

This is why I love watching your guys reviews! You actually stopped the bs and gave it a real review and not just ‘OMG it’s amaazing’. The understeer and the back styling are two of my main ‘issues as well - but oh man it really is a beautiful car

The Z06 will have a 8-9k rpm DOHC screamer that you guys are looking for and they will fix the understeer problem. The C8 base is the Cars and Coffee boomer cruising spec. What you guys want is the Z06 then you will want the ZR1 then Zora. But you'll be talking $100k - $150k USD for those and not the $60k USD starting base. Ferrari just came out with the Stradale starting at $650k USD which is a 1000 hp hybrid entry level hyper car. Zora will be 1000 hp hybrid with similar hyper car performance but ~ $150k so will be quite impressive.

James: “I guess it’s gotta stay American in some form” 😂

Thanks for your reviews! Y’all are one of the main 3 auto review channels I watch constantly! I would like to see a review or comparison to the C7 in which I think is the better looking vette’s! Keep up the great work guys!

Can we just appreciate how nice the interior is compared to older Corvettes?

I lost it when you said “the car is blue”.

That crashing sound of the up shift at 6:21 really got me going

Great review. Everything they say it's lacking will be answered with the Z06. No doubt the exotic engine and the handling will be there when it's released. I respect their criticisms but you must realize that what GM is offering for the price is close to a miracle.

I'm almost certain I saw you guys riding around in this, especially since I recognize some areas in your footage from my daily route :D Great review guys!

Rule that I learned, never buy the first version of a new car

Now all manufacturers are doing this: they are leaving things on the table to make refresh every years. They knew exactly what they were doing with that understeer, which will either be “fixed” next year or in the Z06. Toyota is doing the same thing with the Supra....

I'm extremely picky when it comes to tv shows, youtube , etc. But these guys are the real deal! This channel is easily on it's way to 10 million subscribers. Well done you two! Cheers and congratulations! You got a winner!

I just attended the Ron Fellows Performance Academy, and the understeer issue is addressed by adjusting the suspension. Not an issue at all. We drove 2022's at crazy speeds and making close pin turns with no understeer. This is a 2 year old review. They need to update it. t

Come on guys, we’ve been asking for that Church tour for a while now

You know its the car of the year when car journalists have this as a negative critic: its too good, too perfect. Lol

Just got my 2022 z01 lt2 with the obnoxious huge wing yesterday. I am so happy when I drive it I cry like a baby..

I love these reviews. I could watch them for hours. Thanks for a perfect review on the C8. Also, go get one because they are fantastic. Z06 gonna have a lot of expectations to live up to given the success of the LT3

You guys have such brilliant delivery of content! Top Gear-esque, honestly, especially when revealling the understeer!

Dude these guys are legit the best reviewers if you care about car performance (something imo you really should put above electronics and features) and that's why I love them so much. They don't shill, they give it credit where its due and they criticise it when it deserves it. For real the best there is. Doug never looks at the driving experience in depth and that's why I like Throttle House so much more.

That is the perfect combination. A super car with a Hi Tech, reliable pushrod V8 (Lower center of mass for the engine, a lot of torque and almost perfect reliability. Sure it may not rev as high, but you also do not have large heads and heavy overhead cams atop the engine.

Designed for one thing, cruising the backroads of Kentucky doing samplings of whiskey then going to play some golf. For that task, it is perfect.

It's crazy how fast this channel has grown in such a short time. I subbed at about 60k and it's only been like 8 months or so. It's actually insane! You guys are 3 quarters to 1mil! Love you guys!

The cockpit style interior is so cool

This car just looks amazing. Reasonably priced with the right amount of aggression and sleekness.

Excellent Review, lads! Also, don't know what it is but Thomas is looking good! Really pulling off the earth tones! 😊

"It's like a luxury car!" *camera bounces violently in resistance*

Wow, you guys give me everything I want out of a car review! Never change ❤️

I personally appreciate the low rev ceiling and the bullet proof reliability of the pushrod v8 Chevy uses. I hope Chevy doesn't change a thing

This was the second video I have seen from your guys channel. Instant subscriber. Amazing production for a sub 1mill youtube channel!

This car is absolutely incredible and almost perfect. Perfection would include a manual. I still think the C7 Grand Sport manual is my choice for now. That car still breaks my neck when I see one.

Great review as always...unfortunate about the understeer. I'm curious now to see how exactly the Z06 will perform.

I'm a total manual gearbox type of person but I bought the new Accord with a 10-speed Auto it seemed just so smooth my wife liked it so why not plus I'm getting older & it's nice just to chill when you drive. That's my reason

great review, thanks! At the 14:20 mark , we see the stitching on the dash looking crooked. Is that distortion from the glass or something GM needs looking into ?

These guys have the best personalities in the business! Great video as always

i dont know why, i like the c7's shape more than the c8

Yo these guys are actually honest and not bias, this is awesome 👏

You nailed it on the mirror. I have that in my CTS-V as an option but hate it. Always leave it in regular mirror mode.

This is one of those videos I know I can just click the "Like" button before I even get passed the ads...

ive honestly just stared telling my wife i wanted one of these last week and here you guys are today doing a review on it...its like your car angels...

I saw one of these for the first time IRL just yesterday and oh my did it break my jaw! It’s WAY cooler than in pictures! How on Earth can something this gorgeous be only $60k!?!?

Just got to drive C8 on twisty mountain roads. Yes, there is understeer but in unfamiliar car on tight road with consequences I appreciated safety of the alignment. It also had standard dampers that gave excellent steering feel. I don’t get to drive exotics so best steering feel since 90’s. All sensations braking, acceleration and corner handling excellent. Best car I’ve driven worth every penny plus some. Envy those who can afford it

Love that intro lol

Keep in mind the factory left a ton of alignment adjustments. One of the mags did there own alignment and took huge amounts of time off

That slight thing that's missing is a supercharger or turbocharger system. In its current introduced C8 form with a good old American V-8 it's great.... The ZO6 and ZR1 is usually where the extreme Corvette beast mode comes in. Chevy has hit a home run with this Vette... Bravo!!!

I love my 2020 Corvette stingray spider with 3LT Z-51 package and I had fun reviewing it on my UKposts channel 😃

Finally!!! Been waiting on this for a while now.

Love the intros. Keep up the great work.

What an honest review! I wanted to buy and took test drive, didn’t feel the punch from v8 and no excitement of German car. I will wait for my z06 turn.

Great review, I just reviewed a base model and actually really enjoyed the car. I would love to see how much of a difference the magnetic suspension makes. The car just felt like the front end sharpness wasn't quite there for me.

I clicked right away 😂 this is a big one.

Yes!!! My boys finally got their hands on the new C8! I was waiting for this episode!

You guys are amazing!! I've looked at several of the cars you guys have reviewed (before i saw the reviews) and you guys and your reviews have saved my ass from buying or considering buying, some not-that-great cars. I love you guys so much! You're amazing, literal, and funny and give actual legitimate criticism, while still outlining the car's strengths

I got a solution to the oversteer problem. It’s either slow down (or not press on the gas pedal), or the manufacturer should remake the vehicle with the rear wheels turning the exact degree the front wheels are (although I disagree on doing so since it’s meant for racing often rather than any other purpose) due to the short length and less weight. Blind spots? Small cameras can be added so the panel can show where you want to look at (with the manufacturer deciding to so).

You guys are the best thing on the internet right now.

Zora and ZR1 yet to come... I guess C8 Grand Sport will be awesome!

Awesome car...the many comments about under-steer were mute when you demonstrated understeer by diving into a T

The dealers can adjust the offset and camber for track and the under steer issue is resolved

Finally yes yes been waiting on this review 🙌🏾

as much as im a Doug guy. This video earned a sub. I like how you actually talk about true driving dynamics

I watched the video's with Pobst tracking the car and not once did he complain about the understeer. He did mention CONTROLABLE understeer. Did you guys have the track alignment settings? Remember the C8 is a STREET car first and a track car second. If you are going to put it through the ringer set the alignement!

the understeer is corrected by changing the alignment. One setting for everyday driving and one for racing.

Supposedly the Z06 is supposed to rev a lot higher. It probably won’t have as much understeer either

The bad understeer, the cognitive dissonance of having a low-revving OHV engine in a mid-engine exotic, the reliance of the center tunnel for structural rigidity--I love the fact that you guys come up with real, constructive criticism. Everyone else is just rehashing the same glowing review of the C8. You guys manage to be fun, entertaining and yet honest. Much appreciated!

I am 65, been going to the tracks buttonwillow and willow springs for the last 2 plus years, no prior experience, a friend told me about it, taking zo6, gt350 and gt350r for 35 plus track days The experience with manual is the bomb on the shelbys, auto on the z06 doesnt compare I believe if the average corvette buyer knew about taking their car to the track, and going as all out as you can tolerate, it would definitely change their buying habits Thanks

The understeer is dialed out with a track alignment you can have done at your Chevy dealership. Easy peasy.

That intro lmaoo

That little bit in the beginning made me subscribe lol

I think it’s gonna be as good as it should be, it’s perfect but leaves u desiring more; I.E. why the Z06 and ZR1 will be insane monsters. They turned this up to 10 and then dialed it back to 8.6 so the upper trims are justified in being better and worth it. It’s smart imo

Excellent informative review!

I can't wait until the Z06!!!

James “I can feel everything! In my bum!” 😂

The best driver side interior i have ever seen

Agree, add a manual without the skip shift or be able to disable it!

I literally laughed out loud at that intro, great stuff as always!

Aaaah, the Canadian perspective...been waiting for this. :) So, the only objective criticism you guys shared are 1) Tremendous under steer and 2) Poor rearward visibility due to targa-top and the rear-view mirror. Otherwise, the remaining dings are all subjective. Which, is fine because we all have our preferences. I would love to see you guys get some track time with the car to see if the understeer issue can be tuned out via suspension adjustments (if adjustments are possible on the car). Good stuff, love your guys' channel!

can you drag race a miata, 1lt camero and a mustang ecoboost? Great video guys. its been fun watching these over the pandemic

Corvettes have always been my favorite cars. Look at the stitching at 13:15 by the steering wheel. Wouldn't matter to me if I could afford one but I'm sure people would complain.

Since the advent of electric steering, feel is a thing of the past unfortunately...

The low engine revs with the DCT makes it seem neutered to me, I expect a car like that to scream but it just kinda groans.

interested in a review with the track alignment set up to help with handling

I'd be interested to see if they do take it on the track, whether they will set up the suspension with the track alignment and add the 2qts of trans fluid. I also follow Speed Phenom and his C8 doesn't understeer at the track. Also saw Jackie Ding's vid with a C8 and the car handles very well under track conditions for a stock car. Honestly, I can't agree with understeer criticism. The preproductionand post production units are not the same.

Hahaha feels like I’m in a sidecart! Nailed it! I Still want this beautiful piece of art 🚘

The real question: Do you want to keep driving it? I'm betting the answer is yes.

Lunch in Napa. Dinner in Tahoe. Ski the weekend. Perfect car.

You can see the wheel well gaps are not equal - front is bigger. If they lower to front an inch, it will have sharper turn in and better front end grip