Well technically those are thermal trails not vapor trails :)

@Robin Lehnerd that's great. Never heard that, didn't really care much when I was learning to shoot in scout sniper school

@@graysonkovar9473 you dont need to lie about going to scout sniper school just to tell him he's wrong. But yes, Robin, you are wrong. It is a vapor trail.

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We are bringing those back on our current shows.

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You could load some berger 215s out of a 300 win mag and get that easily at 1k

6.5cm is at 1600fps at 600 yards. My pet 7mm mag load is at 1800fps at 800 yards. Go up to the super 300s and 338s you have no problem out to a 1000+. They might be using a wildcat and some of those really push the ballistic edge. A few of the component manufacturers are making bullets for ELR hunting

Shit you can use a 6.5 cm or prc on big game up to 4-600 ish depending on conditions, with a 7 mag 7 saum or 7 prc and all the 300s you smack any big game at 700+ pretty easy, personally I don't prefer any of that but it's doable.

Aaron, Years ago in the Army (SFQC 3-83 / Delta Force OTC-18) I used two custom made, left-handed McMillan bolt guns in 300 WINMAG with 190 grain, Sierra Match Kings, backed with 69.4 grains of IMR-4350 and they would penetrate 1/3 inch mild steel plate at 675 meters or 738 + yards. Being that nothing is really expanding much at that range, your choice of bullet doesn't matter as long as it is a BTSP with absolutely uniform powder charges, case length, OAL etc. For nothing larger than Mule Deer, you can use a .270, 7-08, .280, .308, 30-06, 7MAG with a heavy Speer / Sierra / Nosler/ Hornady BTSP and it will get you out to a kilometer, if you practice a little. For Elk or Bear, I would just use a 220 grain, 30 caliber Sierra Match King, loaded in a Ultra-Mag, 300 WINMAG, 30-.378, etc. and that will kill a Bear at a kilometer. You can buy Bergers if you want but it won't make the bears anymore dead. If you can get hold of any surplus FFV .30 caliber, 127 grain tungsten core, A-P spitzer bullets, load them in .308 Federal cases with 210M primers, 54 grains of 748 powder (start lower) for about 3150 fps, or in 300 WINMAG cases with 215 primers, with 77 grains of IMR-4350 (start lower) for about 3450 fps and at 200 meters it will penetrate anything on legs, walking the earth, and I mean anything. Remember, there is a sequence you must follow for shooting long range, and even more so when hills are involved. Everything I have told you is completely true, an example would be a 7.62 Lake City Match case with a 210M primer, 48.4 grains of WW-760 ball powder (start lower)and a Speer 2052, 180 grain BTSP, loaded at standard OAL of 2.82 inches, this was my duplication load for M118, White-Box 173 Grain 7.62 Match and it was good to a kilometer. Anyway, good luck

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Guess you missed the gut shots

@@eggbert191 Yeah a majority hit the shoulder or hit the gut, the shot placement on a good number were atrocious and were clearly people shooting outside of their skill range

relaxing music from "nature" ??

They run between 6.5 prc, 28 Nosler, 300prc and others.

Most of them are some form of a Nightforce. NX8 or ATACR.

Yards.

These all vary. All of these were taken with a MOA rifle chambered in anything between a 28 Nosler, 6.5 PRC, 300 PRC. Check out MOArifles.com and take a look at the different options. Bullets were all Berger bullets in varying weights.

28 Nosler.

Would you take a 44 magnum carbine elk hunting to pop a bull at 100-150 yds?

@@fedup3582 i wouldn't take a 44 magnum carbine elk hunting to pop a bull at any distance. they developed those for deer hunters.

@@paultanninen1820 then why do you think a rifle delivering a bullet at extreme range, the same weight and same speed as a 44 mag up close, is good for bigger game?

@@fedup3582 Those long range rigs, using the aforementioned 28 Nosler as only one example of many, generally are sending bullets with a much greater Sectional Densities and with much greater terminal performance design features downrange, arriving on target with higher terminal velocities and still dumping even greater ft lbs of energy on game at those "extreme distances" than the average run of the mill 240 gr. JHP launched out of the puny 44 mag carbine could ever hope to achieve even right out of the muzzle, let alone at 100 - 150 yds. BTW, using the bullet weight to equal bullet weight comparison just doesn't work here because of the vastly different bullet diameters with vastly different Sectional Densities.

I agree. My WWII vet great uncle knew right where he wanted to put the bullet. The buck was completely still. But there was a little (4-6 inch) pine tree in the way. He slipped the chambered soft-point round out of his 30-40 Krag as quietly as possible, slipped in a FMJ round, shot through the tree and killed the deer. Fatal shots aren’t always about velocity and expansion.

@@kennethjackson7574 no , but ethical shots often are

@@sunstruckfarms4489 Agreed.

No. You can ALWAYS stalk closer, if you can’t then you’re a bad hunter. Practice all you want, but weather, wind will never be the same the day you practiced certain shots. Don’t be fooled by an edited video, I’m 100% the wounded ones didn’t make the final product.

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@@ExtremeOuterLimits thank you

There's lots of adjustments and readings between wind and elevation and distance that are taken into effect at long ranges.

@@ExtremeOuterLimits Thank you so much for answering my question, I appreciate it. Incredible skills to do what you do!

There's a lot of things that go into making the long shots. For example I did range work to 1100 yds before hunting Wyoming. Im at almost sea level. It was 6000' there n I gained 2 moa from my zero. That isn't much at 100 yds but it's plenty to shoot almost 18" over a huge antelope at 980 yds. The wind matters, but it moves the shooter more than the actual bullet. Most rifles have a rt twist which causes rotational drift. The earth can move as the bullet flies on north or south shots. It's not much east or west. Point is you have to know all that and account for it. If not you'll miss or worse yet injure the animal. That is unless you're fairly close. Most people consider 300 or closer ethical, but a skilled shooter with good equipment can extend almost as far as the bullet remains supersonic.

@@tommyrussell1415 Mind boggling how many variables must be taken into account prior to pulling the trigger, wow. I cannot imagine how many years of experience it takes to become incredibly accurate in those extremely difficult, long range situations and I must remember the target may be moving, too! Thank you so much for your excellent reply as I have absolutely no experience with guns or hunting but admire those who dedicate to their lives to this extremely difficult livelihood or sport.

@@JS45678thank you. you're very kind to say so. I was in the military n learned about rifles there. The simple truth is if you are an apt learner and find good instruction, it's not terribly difficult to do. I've shot with a lot of different skill levels the best students are by far people with zero experience. If you approach it like you did with no ego or bad habits I'd expect you to easily hit targets at 500 yds in a day or 2 of training. Once you're shooting snuffcan sized groups at 500 it's just math and wind adjustment after that. While modern rifles are much better than those 20 years ago, don't expect a 300$ Walmart redneck combo to behave like something 5000$ for a custom shop. This is all opinion from here, but to me the frequently asked question of ethics is how far can you consistently hit targets in bad conditions vs perfect conditions. Your ethical distance is in there somewhere. I also think you should practice as far as possible as much as possible before trying to harvest an animal. This allows you to be very familiar with the rifle and also you collect data about wind and range corrections.

I’d say 300wm or 300PRC

Probably less than you.

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Long-range shooting takes unfair advantage of the game animal, effectively eliminates the natural capacity of an animal to use its senses and instincts to detect danger, and demeans the hunter/prey relationship in a way that diminishes the importance and relevance of the animal and the hunt. So yes, it’s widely considered unethical by many. It is not a “Fair Chase” method. And when I see videos and hear stories of hunters shooting animals at massive distances, I question their intentions, of whether they actually want to hunt an animal or simply test their skills.

​@@GDBROWN Who doesn't hunt to test their skills whether they be in stalking or in marksmanship? I have seen some complainers criticize hunters for shooting animals "too close" with a rifle because its too easy of a shot. No matter how you slice it, these guys went out and hunted their meat rather than just buy it from the Walmart where it surely grows from a meat tree.

@@GDBROWN I’m sure you stab all your elk with an obsidian knife as to not have an unfair advantage. Recurve bows just extend past ethical hunting range and abuse human innovation. You really don’t get it man.

I like bow and rifle hunting, but honestly for me at least bow hunting is much easier then trying to hit a very precise point at 1000yds out, my furthest bow was bout 47yds and furthest rifle was at 580yds, I'd say it's just about equal in terms of difficulty personally. But I get what you're saying.

You're not very bright. A narcissist in mommies basement definitely but not very smart.

Plenty of aussie and kiwi shooters do the same stuff very professionally too make your own bullets, and get the time behind your rifle set ups !!

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@@ExtremeOuterLimits awesome keep up the great work we appreciate it

Want not need.

Thanks for asking.... All were MOA Rifle, chambered in 300 PRC, 6.5 PRC or 28 Nosler.

Yeah because no one has ever wounded an animal up close with a bow. That’s way more ethical!

@@Ajdruck I am sure people also cut fingers off before the circular saw, still the invention probably made it a bit more likely, dont you think so?

Get out of mommies basement, actually take a shot at something other than your baby sitter who is out of your league, then make big boy comments.

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Where are your videos? Exactly!

oh these are some of my favorite comments

You mean just like the farm animals that get shot between the eyes before they turn into that hamburger you eat everyday? Hypocrite! Get that crying and judgement out of here.

Say please.

I’m sure it was a 28 nosler.