A Sad Death - The Tragedy of Battleborn

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The release of Borderlands in 2009 marked the first step towards Gearbox Software cementing itself as a master of developing hybrid experiences, games capable of artfully blending together otherwise disparate genres. For the cel-shaded, vault-hunting romp, such a blend consisted primarily of first-person shooter mechanics and elements consistent with role-playing games. Borderlands went on to enjoy success beyond Gearbox and its publishing partner’s wildest imaginations. It made sense, then, that the studio similarly combined genres when trying to break ground in the hero shooter space with a brand-new IP, Battleborn.
A fast-paced shooter comprised of a story campaign and competitive multiplayer modes, Battleborn checked several boxes to become equal parts MOBA, first-person shooter, and action-RPG. But in striving to cover a wide gamut of experiences in one, the hero-based FPS title lacked focus. Its immediate competition, Blizzard Entertainment’s Overwatch, suffered from no such lack of discipline, an argument Gearbox President Randy Pitchford readily acknowledged when dissecting why Blizzard’s endeavor overshadowed that of his team.
Pitchford would argue that Battleborn earned the label of failure only because of misguided Overwatch comparisons. To the studio executive, Gearbox’s ambitious new property could have held its own just fine, yet unfavorable circumstances-namely its launch three weeks before Overwatch-robbed it of any real chance of doing as much. Regardless, steep discounts, a dismal player retention rate, and reports of a last-ditch effort to explore free-to-play options followed Battleborn like a plague within months of its debut. Any attempts at driving engagement were met with disinterest, resulting in an unfortunate but predictably quick demise.
This is the tragedy of Battleborn.
Chapters
0:00 Intro
2:15 Sponsorship
3:36 Battleborn's Origins
7:27 Battleborn's Development
11:40 What Went Wrong?
16:39 Battleborn's Downfall
21:20 Credits
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@GVMERS
@GVMERS 10 місяців тому
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@waynejulian277
@waynejulian277 10 місяців тому
i am hyped af for wayfinder
@haaxxx9
@haaxxx9 10 місяців тому
HOLY SHIT! GRAN TURISMO 6 CAN BE PLAYED ONLINE ONCE AGAIN FOR THE PS3! Awesome!
@drain1718
@drain1718 10 місяців тому
poor timinh
@Hugsloth
@Hugsloth 10 місяців тому
I think it's worth noting that although Borderlands is seen as their 'good years' or the 'creative peak' of Gearbox... Even in that instance, the entire artstyle of Borderlands was changed mid development, after Randy saw a short film called CodeHunters. He approached the indie director about helping on the game, but cut off contact and just lifted the guy's entire aesthetic before slapping it over their upcoming game. Prior to stealing the aesthetic of CH, Borderlands looked like a generic brown wasteland shooter.
@EinherjarV
@EinherjarV 9 місяців тому
@@Hugsloth OMG someone else knows about that! Was gonna comment on that until I saw yours.
@PXAbstraction
@PXAbstraction 10 місяців тому
Randy Pitchford is one of the best examples of failing upwards in this industry. While Gearbox has had a few solid titles, the amount of scummery, lies and mistreatment of the employees who made them successful from this scumbag are immense. And for all that, he got a massive payday from Embracer.
@lucavalente6620
@lucavalente6620 10 місяців тому
Not to defend the dude but lies, scummery and mistreatment of employees is not so rare in the business.
@operationsquirtle
@operationsquirtle 10 місяців тому
@@lucavalente6620doesnt make it right
@PXAbstraction
@PXAbstraction 10 місяців тому
@@lucavalente6620 It's not, but Randy's offences are well documented and largely public. Hell, he still defends things like Aliens: Colonial Marines.
@lucavalente6620
@lucavalente6620 10 місяців тому
@@PXAbstraction "understandable" the months after the launch...but after some years he could at least say that it didn't come out as "planned"
@googleslocik
@googleslocik 10 місяців тому
They made their name on theft, they stole the art design for Borderlands from Codehunters made directed Ben Hibon after promises of work deal only to never pay or credit them, and then stealing money from Alien Isolations to finish it. Randy was always a piece of shit, when he was outed as a pedophile by his own lawyer everybody knew this guy is one of the worst people you can meet or work for.
@BucklingSwashes
@BucklingSwashes 10 місяців тому
Randy Pitchford is the tragedy of Gearbox.
@acedias12
@acedias12 10 місяців тому
99% of Gearbox's problems always links all the way back to Randy Pitchford.
@haaxxx9
@haaxxx9 10 місяців тому
You spelled his last name wrong. It's now called Bitchford because a friend told me that was his official name and I 100% believed him without a second thought.
@Hugsloth
@Hugsloth 10 місяців тому
I'm pretty sure Randy is 'inner circle' with some very important people. Between his sketchy burlesque venue (Peacock Theater), the USB incident, and all the wild details alleged in the lawsuit by his former right hand dude... Let's just say it seems clear Gearbox is never going to shutter no matter how much money it loses.
@midnightanimal4598
@midnightanimal4598 10 місяців тому
People are being very hard on Randy Pitchford in the comments, but he is an excellent magician. He made all that "Aliens: Colonial Marines" money disappear!
@UberNoodle
@UberNoodle 10 місяців тому
An even better magic trick was when he pulled Aliens Colonial Marines out of his ass.
@w415800
@w415800 10 місяців тому
I think "Aliens: Colonial Marines" is a Godsend to the industry, a couple more of these hot garbage and people might finally stop pre-ordering.
@Zodroo_Tint
@Zodroo_Tint 10 місяців тому
@@w415800 You know you are wrong do you? I understand your wishfull thinking but people will never stop preordering. Gamers are spineless weaklings who are activelly participating in destroying computer games. The publishers destroying games for money, the developers destroying games for making a living, the gamers destroying games for temporary inferior entertainment. They will never stop preordering.
@guilherme5094
@guilherme5094 10 місяців тому
@@w415800 Never underestimate the stupidity of 'gamers'.
@Barbaroossa
@Barbaroossa 10 місяців тому
@@UberNoodle He needed to make room for all of that SEGA money.
@Vert_GreenHeart
@Vert_GreenHeart 10 місяців тому
I would've felt bad for Gearbox if Randy Bitchford wasn't directing it.
@acedias12
@acedias12 10 місяців тому
I frankly feel bad for Gearbox being directed by Randy Pitchford.
@EdK-Music
@EdK-Music 10 місяців тому
I just feel bad
@Bozzoocumps
@Bozzoocumps 10 місяців тому
@@acedias12the elon of gaming
@PassiveAssassin
@PassiveAssassin 10 місяців тому
Bad
@light819
@light819 10 місяців тому
@@Bozzoocumps nah, some people are actually somehow convinced that elon is some kind of super nice guy Everyone knows randy is an ass
@TheIMMORTALKAHNHD
@TheIMMORTALKAHNHD 10 місяців тому
Theres like a small brief period of gaming history where Randy Pitchford wasn't a villian...and he desperately wants us to forget that.
@LAHFaust
@LAHFaust 10 місяців тому
That Pitchford isnt in prison for embezzlement after the Duke Nukem Forever and Aliens Colonial Marines fiascos is proof that pitchford is a magician
@paddycakes6244
@paddycakes6244 10 місяців тому
That and the assaults.
@borderlandsglitches
@borderlandsglitches 10 місяців тому
It's a shame it didn't get an offline mode. I liked this game and only ever played it solo.
@N.Bluesky
@N.Bluesky 10 місяців тому
Maybe they can still re-release it ? At least 2600 think so anyway. And I got that number from the online petition, called "Battle Re-born", which tries to show Gearbox that people are still interested in Battleborn.
@bigchungus3
@bigchungus3 10 місяців тому
I actually really enjoyed Battleborn, more so even than Overwatch, but it was hard to find a match.
@sebastianrodriguez8992
@sebastianrodriguez8992 9 місяців тому
​@@N.Blueskythank you for bringing my attention to this petition I just signed I really hope it gets the attention it deserved and at least a fighting chance
@vnshngpnt
@vnshngpnt 9 місяців тому
@@N.Bluesky There wasn't even 2600 online in Steam before closing. Unfortunately, while game is cool in theory, for various reasons it was not played at all. From finansical perspective closing it was correct decision unfortunately.
@TaRAAASHBAGS
@TaRAAASHBAGS 6 місяців тому
Games as a service is fraud
@razgriz821
@razgriz821 10 місяців тому
Any loss for Randy Pitchford is a win for everyone else.
@Echo2-2
@Echo2-2 10 місяців тому
Correct
@Cockdonut
@Cockdonut 10 місяців тому
if there's Randy Pitchford, why isn't there a Randy Catchford??
@josuealcivar9807
@josuealcivar9807 10 місяців тому
Maybe, but not true for the studio, the PC port of Halo Combat Evolved was made by his team and it's way better than the port to Xbox One in MCC. So, at least that success was good for everyone. 😅
@josuealcivar9807
@josuealcivar9807 10 місяців тому
​@@Cockdonut😂
@kagekun7689
@kagekun7689 10 місяців тому
This is funny you say that because now overwatch's taking that same loss currently. And nothing is going right for OverWatch
@Blaze416X
@Blaze416X 10 місяців тому
Randy Pitchford's greatest nemesis is..... Randy Pitchford. Also, he really should've stayed a wannabe magician, not a CEO.
@dragonmares59110
@dragonmares59110 10 місяців тому
I really wish they would have made battleborn able to be played offline. Because the campaign+leveling system and coop was nice
@goodguymario
@goodguymario 10 місяців тому
+1
@mo_musashi_284
@mo_musashi_284 10 місяців тому
stupid mentality of online only is ridiculous because once it dies players can’t go back.
@SL4PSH0CK
@SL4PSH0CK 10 місяців тому
PVE multi is great, marketing is devastating competing with Blizzard with large following. Edit: they should reboot or relaunch Battleborn now seeing Overwatch 2 current state
@N.Bluesky
@N.Bluesky 10 місяців тому
There is an online petition, called "Battle Re-born", which tries to show Gearbox that people are still interested in the license. It has already collected more than 2600 signatures, including some members of the development team. Hopefully, and the debacle of the PvE of a certain game, there is hope...
@paradoxxor7770
@paradoxxor7770 10 місяців тому
I cancelled my pre-order because there was no offline mode 💀 They even had a cool statue to go with the game, I was sad that day ☹️
@DrNooo
@DrNooo 10 місяців тому
I miss playing this game. Wish they could make it Playable offline :/ I wanna play as montana again.
@N.Bluesky
@N.Bluesky 10 місяців тому
Maybe one day it will be possible again... The game may not be playable anymore, but nothing prevents Gearbox from re-releasing it. But for that, players must show interest in this license and one of the ways to do that would be to sign the online petition "Battle Re-born", a petition created to show that they have not forgotten this license ... nor some member of the development team who also came to sign it.
@Ak-fx1ml
@Ak-fx1ml 9 місяців тому
Me too man I loved this game
@pacivalmuller9333
@pacivalmuller9333 3 місяці тому
You can play Battleborn now offline with community mod.
@Labyethan
@Labyethan 2 місяці тому
Benedict was my man, and thanks to him, I met some of my closest gaming friends from me firing his ultimate into the ground.
@TheRebelDottie
@TheRebelDottie 9 місяців тому
Battleborn was one of my all time favorite games. I can’t believe people continue to bring it back up to remind me no one else liked it.
@pacivalmuller9333
@pacivalmuller9333 3 місяці тому
You can play Battleborn now offline with community mod.
@asaltylapis4316
@asaltylapis4316 9 місяців тому
Hi, OG Battleborn player here, i just want to start off first by saying i absolutely loved this game, I would play it for days nonstop, and i stuck with it for quite a while until most of its playerbase dropped, and even had contact with people trying to make a pro scene for the game, if this game was still playable today id certainly be playing it again, but the game definitely had issues. A great thing about the game was characters felt alive and powerful, not through their lore or story relevance, but through their abilities and animations and style. Gameplay was very fun and flowed well, healers tanks and dps classes all felt great to play, but having gear aquisition tied to the story mode was a slog of a grind and I feel turned lots of players and potential new players away from the idea of the game. If you wanted good gear you would need to play through different story missions, this grind seemed endless and was one of the reasons I quit. Honestly this game could have done perfectly fine without a story, if the game was distributed as free-to-play with store skins and a battle pass I think it would have generated enough revenue to stay alive. Remove gear being tied to grindy story missions and have preset equipable gear made available before you load into a match and a lot more people would have had accessibility to the multiplayer. This game had so much promise, and was one of, if not the most memorable multiplayer experiences I will ever have, and its a shame that we will probably never see a Battleborn 2 in the future.
@haruhirogrimgar6047
@haruhirogrimgar6047 2 місяці тому
To me without the story I wouldn't play it. I hated the gear grind, but I am bad at FPS games but enjoyed the characters. The single player was a huge selling point to me.
@nad613
@nad613 10 місяців тому
I remember really enjoying what this game had to offer, and it really was quite different in practice than Overwatch, even though at first glance they looked similar. I think what really hurt was Pitchford himself directly comparing the two games in a competitive sense on Twitter. If the head of the studio is referring to the two as competitors instead of highlighting the differences, then of course everyone is going to think they're the same genre. Probably the only MOBA I actually enjoyed.
@artofchang
@artofchang 10 місяців тому
This and Paragon were the only two MOBAs I really got in to.
@sebastianrodriguez8992
@sebastianrodriguez8992 9 місяців тому
​@@artofchangGigantic was another amazing game that sadly died too soon
@MythicFox
@MythicFox 8 місяців тому
Don't quote me on this, but supposedly Blizzard hadn't even really paid any serious attention to Battleborn until Randy started talking 'Battleborn vs Overwatch' on Twitter.
@Echo2-2
@Echo2-2 10 місяців тому
I never really had an interest in hero shooters so this is all just fascinating as to how this all happened
@reffa2858
@reffa2858 9 місяців тому
I miss playing as Phoebe. Teleporting behind players and activating her ultimate. Or turning into a puddle of darkness with Galalea.
@borkiagore
@borkiagore 9 місяців тому
i miss this game so bad, give us back Battleborn
@pacivalmuller9333
@pacivalmuller9333 3 місяці тому
You can play Battleborn now offline with community mod.
@borkiagore
@borkiagore 3 місяці тому
@@pacivalmuller9333 OMG!!! thnx
@YellowTissueBox
@YellowTissueBox 10 місяців тому
You know there aren't many channels where every single video is an absolute joy.
@Zodroo_Tint
@Zodroo_Tint 10 місяців тому
There are. You just don't know them.
@ThunderCleez66
@ThunderCleez66 10 місяців тому
@Zodroo_Tint same goes to you apparently
@YellowTissueBox
@YellowTissueBox 10 місяців тому
@@Zodroo_Tint Was just a compliment to GVMERS. Nobody is attacking you friend.
@wyattgeorge9696
@wyattgeorge9696 10 місяців тому
@@Zodroo_Tint Not really honestly
@karenpojar2514
@karenpojar2514 10 місяців тому
Best banter in a hero shooter ever! "Know this: you will remember corporate ad jingles long after you forget your parents' faces." "I will not rest until every shirt on this planet IS TUCKED THE FUCK IN!"
@artofchang
@artofchang 10 місяців тому
I remember playing the hell out of this game. Tried to get my friends to play it but they were heavy in to Overwatch. Game had a ton going for it. Sadly Overwatch overshadowed it.
@travis51killer01
@travis51killer01 10 місяців тому
Same here, but mostly the campaign.
@christiangarcia2727
@christiangarcia2727 10 місяців тому
Same. Me and my friend were part of the 10 last online players waiting forever for a game to find
@muysli.y1855
@muysli.y1855 10 місяців тому
Battleborn had the better Gameplay but back then Overwatch looks cleaner and less overload even Borderlands Design look better bit Darker so i choose Overwatch over this but sadly Overwatch didn't age well
@duel2803
@duel2803 10 місяців тому
i really want this game back
@triadwarfare
@triadwarfare 9 місяців тому
I tried getting my colleagues to Overwatch but they were not interested either. They think it's a sissy game and prefer COD and the Tom Clancy games.
@monumentvalley6681
@monumentvalley6681 10 місяців тому
Battleborn launched with PvE, a slightly larger roster, skill trees, and so much more. Overwatch didn't. As someone whose never played Battleborn, I still can't help but feel distraught over the game's demise, especially with how mediocre Overwatch's launch was, and how much worse the game has gotten since OW2 went live.
@purplevoles8368
@purplevoles8368 10 місяців тому
I remember seeing a lot of bashing on Battleborn not long after it died. Watching the development process and the goals they had in mind for the world and the gameplay makes its failure a real shame
@d_dayne_e
@d_dayne_e 10 місяців тому
Battleborn and overwatch were entirely different games, they just happen to come out at the same time and people called it an Overwatch clone. The only similarity was it was hero based. Game really had potential and died for no reason
@leedotson6323
@leedotson6323 10 місяців тому
It probably didn't help that from an aesthetic stand point they look really similar so it would be easy for someone who wasn't played them to assume they're similar.
@oriam2343
@oriam2343 7 місяців тому
Gearbox should not have compared itself directly to overwatch AND should not have tiptoed around what type of game they were trying to be (an fps moba) instead of just throwing out key words like hobby grade and meta
@harombee
@harombee 10 місяців тому
Battleborn gave me one thing that will never be replaceable okay two things. A CAMPAIGN at launch that was actually GOOD comparable to any of the events overwatch has ever had. And Galilea, what a character. Shout out to Shawna mills who co directed the opening cinematic, thanks for letting us pal around with you during that
@karenpojar2514
@karenpojar2514 10 місяців тому
#3: Tobi!
@travis51killer01
@travis51killer01 10 місяців тому
Oscar mike❤
@Parker--
@Parker-- 10 місяців тому
That’s fair. I will add that Battleborn > Overwatch 2.
@duel2803
@duel2803 10 місяців тому
@@Parker--battleborn was ahead of it’s time
@reffa2858
@reffa2858 8 місяців тому
Her and Phoebe were my mains.
@alexandredesouza3692
@alexandredesouza3692 10 місяців тому
It's a huge shame that Battleborn died and I do wish there was an offline mode to play the campaign. There were a lot of fun playstyles in this game you can't find anywhere else.
@pacivalmuller9333
@pacivalmuller9333 3 місяці тому
You can play Battleborn now offline with community mod.
@alexandredesouza3692
@alexandredesouza3692 3 місяці тому
@@pacivalmuller9333 YAY 😁
@sarc9807
@sarc9807 9 місяців тому
Battleborn was really something . Loved every bit of it and stayed til the end ❤
@MySplatterhouse
@MySplatterhouse 10 місяців тому
One thing ive noticed with these multiplayer centric online games is that the character art designs are always well done. I wish there was a 3rd person action game with hero shooter sensibilities/multiple characters with great art ditection and a killer singleplayer campaign.
@jorgearias3919
@jorgearias3919 9 місяців тому
Fr. Such great designs that you can't even enjoy while playing the game.
@SammEater
@SammEater 8 місяців тому
Seriously, this is the problem I had with Overwatch too, all those cool skins and you can't even see it yourself because of the first person angle. lol
@swallowedinthesea11
@swallowedinthesea11 10 місяців тому
Battleborn had one of the best intros! First day buy, I still remember it like it was yesterday! I loved both Battleborn and Overwatch which bring me riotous nostalgia!
@AZRockslide42
@AZRockslide42 10 місяців тому
I bought both Battleborn and Overwatch, and I can honestly say I preferred Battleborn. The PVE was just so much fun, though I will be the first to admit the PVP was lacking. As I prefer PVE Coop, that was fine. I really liked the Hero Shooter with MOBA elements, and I loved the way you gained experience and evolved the characters even though you had to start over from Level 1 each time. It really was the superior game with an amazing set of heroes, and I wish I could still play it.
@N.Bluesky
@N.Bluesky 10 місяців тому
Maybe one day it will be possible again... The game may not be playable anymore, but nothing prevents Gearbox from re-releasing the game. Especially with the latest events around a certain game that had promised everything Battleborn had already... But for that, players must show interest in this license and one of the ways to do that would be to sign the online petition "Battle Re-born", a petition created to show that they have not forgotten this license ... nor some member of the development team who also came to sign it.
@ThiccDaddyDave
@ThiccDaddyDave 10 місяців тому
Everytime I think of Randy pitchford I think of the fact that he left a flash drive at a medieval times containing sensitive information for borderlands 3 (Pre release) and magician porn
@jakey14344
@jakey14344 10 місяців тому
Or a total greasy bastard. Now his Borderlands movie is on production hell because of strikes.
@aceofhearts573
@aceofhearts573 7 місяців тому
Never forget Alien Colonial Marines. My brother pre ordered it and he got him. I have never paid for a gearbox game ever since.
@mychaldudleyii2039
@mychaldudleyii2039 9 місяців тому
Miss the hell out of Battleborn. The only hero shooter that just clicked for me.
@pacivalmuller9333
@pacivalmuller9333 3 місяці тому
You can play Battleborn now offline with community mod.
@bob23301
@bob23301 10 місяців тому
Pitchford and Cliff B should get together and merge Battle born and Law breakers into one games, but do not launch it, just state it went gold, then they have cancelled it, that way they can cut the middleman out and save a lot of time. lol
@marbl3d45
@marbl3d45 10 місяців тому
At least Cliff B is an actually cool guy
@jakey14344
@jakey14344 10 місяців тому
Randy would have stolen Cliffy B's money and spend it on hookers at Medieval Times and Borderlands 4. That's how he was greasy.
@RusticRonnie
@RusticRonnie 10 місяців тому
@@marbl3d45now, he was a dick like 20 years ago which is why people hate him. But his was also a rich 20 year old kid basically. Now he is just a dad, doing dad type shit
@verguco6051
@verguco6051 10 місяців тому
@@marbl3d45 it is? wasnt he a douche or something and nobody like him anymore since he left xbox?
@drivanradosivic1357
@drivanradosivic1357 8 місяців тому
Actually, Battleborn relaunch and Lawbreakers relaunching by Gearbox Publishing would be great.
@alie_rose
@alie_rose 6 місяців тому
Good news everyone! You're able to play Battleborn via the PC with some limitations. The news comes from the official Battleborn discord server. More info in there and how it's possible :D
@WizWiteKnight
@WizWiteKnight 10 місяців тому
This game was brilliant. I remember it was announced it was shutting down right after it was announced that Overwatch 2 was going to have PvE. I remember feeling so bitter that Battleborn offered what Overwatch 2 needed a sequel to give, and with how that turned out, im just super bitter Randy Pitchford doesn't know how to SHUT THE FUCK UP :(
@legoakleigh
@legoakleigh 8 місяців тому
100%. I WISH people knew how Battleborn gave what people wanted from overwatch.
@AltairEgoX
@AltairEgoX 7 місяців тому
YES! All those O/W Shills are eating their words now! lol soooo much schadenfreude as of late lol
@Phillz91
@Phillz91 10 місяців тому
Battleborn is my favourite game that died. The criticisms on focus were valid and it could have used more variety in the skill trees etc but overall I found it more enjoyable than Overwatch, even at the time. It's primary mode, the Moba style one, offered a bit more strategy and team work then the more simplified OW objectives and the characters were more varied with some great personality.
@lexisdone
@lexisdone 9 місяців тому
I will continue to mourn this game. I truly enjoyed it
@pacivalmuller9333
@pacivalmuller9333 3 місяці тому
You can play Battleborn now offline with community mod.
@torvasdh
@torvasdh 9 місяців тому
I loved this game. I wish they just kept the servers online so I could play it :(
@aberezhnoy
@aberezhnoy 9 місяців тому
Managed to play the game for smth like 150 hours (including the beta) before the servers became deserted, enjoyed every single moment of it. Was stiil there when the player count was around 600 players... To this day, I would prefer Battleborn to Overwatch. Rest in peace, these were good times.
@brolishish5370
@brolishish5370 7 місяців тому
I genuinely miss this game, it’s still one of my all time favorites and this game’s style and gameplay blow Overwatch out of the water
@MumeiMugei
@MumeiMugei 10 місяців тому
This was a fun enough game to play with friends. I was sad when it went offline, but with no new content/DLC we had stopped playing anyway. Live service games are such a scam. You buy a game and one day someone just decides you can no longer play it.
@druidshmooid
@druidshmooid 8 місяців тому
I was a developer on Battleborn. There are many fingers that could be pointed at what was to blame, but ultimately it was a game that tried to be too many things and please too many people. It was originally planned as a F2P PvP FPS MOBA. The publisher wasn't comfortable with a F2P business model at that time, at least not with such a large upfront investment (Fortnite would come along and change everyone's minds soon after this, but it hadn't happened yet). To justify a $60 pricetag the decision was made, relatively late in the development cycle, to add PvE content. This content was given Gearbox's full attention, but it was not planned from the outset, leading to tension between PvE and PvP design goals (as well as increased technical difficulties). It also fractured the player pools, since players could only queue for one activity at a time, which had enormous implications on wait times and skill matching. There was a lot of love and passion put into that game, it's a shame more people didn't get a chance to play it. In the end, it was not one thing that killed the game, but many small things. It was a death from a thousand cuts, many (but not all) self-inflicted. I think narrower focus would have helped, as would have a different business model, as would a different launch window, as would marketing better distancing itself from Overwatch, as would have many of other things. And so it goes.
@LexAnarchy
@LexAnarchy 5 місяців тому
Thank you for the insight and for helping to create this masterpiece of a game!
@Adam-ei4oj
@Adam-ei4oj 21 день тому
Miss the game too death
@cousinit1686
@cousinit1686 9 місяців тому
If they went hard on the PVE side, they could have been a contender. This game was hella fun. Gigantic was another moba-esque shooter that was super fun too. RIP to dead games :(
@magnusm4
@magnusm4 2 місяці тому
Sad this game fell as hard as it did. It had some really unique and awesome designs. The witch Orendi has one of the coolest designs and many things I love. Edged pointy big hat, four arms and eyes on her palms to cast spells. Mushroom Miko at least being the third living organism in the world. There's animals, plants and fungus. People seem to forget mushrooms are a species of their own. And the butler Marquis with a cane as a sniper. It's this kind of stuff I wish more games had.
@bloodangel7731
@bloodangel7731 13 днів тому
Also Klesse in this floating battle chair. I wabted to main him so bad but then the game got shut down. Overwatch could never pull off such hero designs
@constable117
@constable117 10 місяців тому
Battleborn was so much fun, it’s the only game I’ve ever really gotten to play versus the devs. I really hope they relaunch it at some point. Oscar Mike gamers rise up.
@N.Bluesky
@N.Bluesky 10 місяців тому
There is an online petition, called "Battle Re-born", which tries to show Gearbox that people are still interested in the license. It has already collected more than 2600 signatures, including some from members of the development team. It's not much, but it's at least something...
@javierortiz82
@javierortiz82 10 місяців тому
They have to pull something very special off, but considering how Overwatch 2 is in decline, just making a game instead of a glorified services store, would be a brilliant move on their side.
@alexandredesouza3692
@alexandredesouza3692 10 місяців тому
Huge respect to the fellow Battleborn enjoyer. However, Oscar Mike mains did not lose much. You can still play Oscar Mike in dozens of other games.
@MythicFox
@MythicFox 8 місяців тому
I still like to think about Jim Foronda (OM's VA) streaming himself playing the game in-character as Oscar Mike.
@The_Gent
@The_Gent 10 місяців тому
Sp glad you guys are still making these videos. Please dont stop
@1gunnerShock
@1gunnerShock 9 місяців тому
This game deserved so much better, I loved how fun almost every character was to play
@chocoloutre
@chocoloutre 7 місяців тому
Take me 2 months to have courage to watch it... and as i expected, i'm heartbroken :( It's sad how things turned for Battleborn, however, i will never give up hope that one day, it came back. Thanks for this video, eve if it sad :/
@WhiteWorgenCorp
@WhiteWorgenCorp 10 місяців тому
Putting Randy Pitchford aside.... I really miss BB, I was hoping for years that it would come back somehow be it sequel or remaster. But alas, it just wasn't mean to be 😔
@kazmiller96
@kazmiller96 10 місяців тому
Do you remember that these characters show up in Ready Player One? The game was basically dead before the movie even released.
@UnabridgedGamer
@UnabridgedGamer Місяць тому
I was there till the end. I remember running one of the DLC missions one last time, just days from the closure. I still miss it.
@HeWhoSoars.
@HeWhoSoars. 7 місяців тому
I so desperately want this game to make a come back...
@penguinfem7256
@penguinfem7256 9 місяців тому
I miss this game so much. Me and my buddy's went pro in this game sadly as it was dying. RIP B.B, remember what we had lads
@RoseSupreme
@RoseSupreme 9 місяців тому
This game was done so *OUTRAGEOUSLY* dirty. It has so much charm, but thanks to its poorly-timed release against the now-insanely-infamous Overwatch, nobody gave the game a chance... with Overwatch suffering dreadfully now, I wish Gearbox would consider relaunching this game. But I highly doubt it.
@Scribble
@Scribble 7 місяців тому
IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO REVIVE THE GAME! LET'S BRING IT BACK BABYYYY
@SL4PSH0CK
@SL4PSH0CK 10 місяців тому
You know what, its now an opportunity for Battleborn w/ how Overwatch 2 fails to deliver its PVE mode.
@RDJ134
@RDJ134 10 місяців тому
Top notch content, always enjoying watching GVMERS video's
@Jixxyyy
@Jixxyyy 7 місяців тому
I actually still hold this game dear to my heart. It's a shame Overwatch overshadowed it so hardcore
@AvelierPlays
@AvelierPlays 10 місяців тому
Battleborn wasn’t perfect, but it was a fun, complete game with both PvE and PvP. And yet, people who praised Overwatch and its “sequel” have been duped and shat on by ActiBlizzard over and over. Its an insult and a joke. Despite its shortcomings and its early death, Battleborn was the superior game in the end.
@N.Bluesky
@N.Bluesky 10 місяців тому
Maybe it can be re-released? At least some people would like it. There is also this online petition, "Battle Re-born", which shows that interest in this game has not died for at least 2600 people. It may not seem like much, but maybe with more visibility...
@marbl3d45
@marbl3d45 10 місяців тому
Overwatch is still a good game altogether so stop huffing that Battleborn copium
@AvelierPlays
@AvelierPlays 10 місяців тому
@@marbl3d45 No it's not, pot meet the kettle
@zzurge1173
@zzurge1173 10 місяців тому
@@marbl3d45 Hope your having fun playing overwatch 1.1
@Seyanoo
@Seyanoo 9 місяців тому
@@AvelierPlaysthey’re both dead either way lmfao
@AbbreviatedReviews
@AbbreviatedReviews 10 місяців тому
It was correct that Battleborn and Overwatch were quite different. Battleborne was much more like your average MOBA but first person. I appreciated it because it was a replacement for Super Monday Night Combat. The issue, to me, was a really mediocre singleplayer/co-op campaign that they kept trying to push as the main component while the multiplayer languished under a lack of maps and a need for delicate balance. Meanwhile, Overwatch comparisons kept showing up with this really rich multiplayer-focused experience and I think at the end of the day - that's what people stick with long-term. It's nice to have a campaign, but I think in a world where you're competing on a multiplayer front, you have to have that as a the main focus.
@Agent36
@Agent36 10 місяців тому
I never thought about the similarities to Monday night combat which was an all time favorite of mine.
@SL4PSH0CK
@SL4PSH0CK 10 місяців тому
This game was a great example.for publishers and game developer of how important a marketing team is. I remember watching the game trailers and news about it just to get overwatch ads back 2016
@thegreatpoo2electricboogal318
@thegreatpoo2electricboogal318 7 місяців тому
This is consistently the most underrated channel ever.
@lonewolffang
@lonewolffang 10 місяців тому
The sad thing about BattleBorn is I had more fun playing it before they shut down the servers. Would be nice if someone picked it up and gave it another chance given how Overwatch 2, though still doing decent, ha list a lot of it's original player base.
@cuppacoffee1572
@cuppacoffee1572 10 місяців тому
OW2 still has far more players than the first game ever did. Which is saying something.
@seamusperkins2526
@seamusperkins2526 10 місяців тому
​@@cuppacoffee1572No it's really not. OW2 is f2p. That simple.
@MythionVR
@MythionVR 10 місяців тому
Could have just titled it "Randy Pitchford" and that would have been all that was needed.
@lilpimp994
@lilpimp994 9 місяців тому
During the open beta, this game was better than Overwatch. The roster, the game modes, and the customization made this game superior. Not sure what happened after the full release.
@MythicFox
@MythicFox 8 місяців тому
A lot of it comes down to the marketing. Battleborn was so poorly marketed a lot of players didn't even understand what genre it was. On top of that, Blizzard had the cash to throw around to make all those animated shorts that were impressive enough to distract people from the fact that, gameplay-wise, Overwatch was basically a better-polished TF2. In addition, there was the release date thing. It's not an accident that Blizzard released Overwatch three weeks after Battleborn -- and IIRC they had an open beta/server test of their own right alongside Battleborn's release. By some accounts, we can thank Randy talking smack on Twitter for Blizzard taking as much of an interest as they did. It didn't matter that Battleborn was, according to some reviews, as good as if not a little better than Overwatch gameplay-wise. In terms of getting people in the door, Battleborn was already two steps behind and the initial grind to unlock the characters (which, as I recall, was the big sticking point in early reviews) made it that much harder to keep players who'd poked at it for a couple of weeks and then saw the New Shiny Thing. And at that point the damage was done. It's possible the game could have been salvageable, but if Gearbox and 2k Games were interested in the effort and money required they would have spent it to make the game a success in the first place. Ninety percent of what went wrong can be laid at the feet of corporate mismanagement.
@Kouh_Sijaed
@Kouh_Sijaed 10 місяців тому
Gearbox needs to drop that Greasy man. Randy has made some good stuff in the past but the man is a Grimey CEO.
@jakey14344
@jakey14344 10 місяців тому
Randy founded Gearbox so there's no way they're gonna fire him unless he retires. If the Borderlands movie bombed by 2029, that's the part where Randy should be kicked out of his own company.
@jamesraposa942
@jamesraposa942 9 місяців тому
the tragedy is the part where they took my money and don't let me play story solo anymore
@thrasher4034
@thrasher4034 10 місяців тому
I just want Brothers in arms to make a return. Or a remaster/remake of the original 2
@PegLegManlet
@PegLegManlet 10 місяців тому
I’d love to see the E3 version of Hells Highway as well.
@thrasher4034
@thrasher4034 10 місяців тому
@@PegLegManlet totally agree on that. I remember seeing and wishing it was in the final game
@cosmotect
@cosmotect 10 місяців тому
Even given Gearbox's shortcomings, the saga of Battleborn was just down to really unfortunate circumstances. I do agree with Randy there. Its a shame and I don't think they deserved it.
@MythicFox
@MythicFox 8 місяців тому
The Overwatch release date wasn't an accident. Randy was talking smack on Twitter and got their attention. That's the unfortunate circumstance. Well, that and Gearbox marketing the game so poorly a lot of prospective players didn't even know what genre it was.
@TheMockedy
@TheMockedy 10 місяців тому
Battleborn was actually very fun. The issue is that Blizzard did a brilliant/evil tactic of releasing their beta on the same day as Battleborn
@N.Bluesky
@N.Bluesky 10 місяців тому
Not that I want to take advantage of Overwatch's difficulty, but players have made it clear that they want a multiplayer pve game. Maybe it's time for a re-release ? At least 2600 think so anyway. And I got that number from the online petition, called "Battle Re-born", which tries to show Gearbox that people are still interested in Battleborn.
@michaelknox3715
@michaelknox3715 10 місяців тому
I kinda really want Battleborn to come back now. With Overwatch's controveries pilling up it seems like the perfect time for Battleborn to make a comeback😊
@isaacargesmith8217
@isaacargesmith8217 10 місяців тому
Theres always paladins as an alternative.
@Rolex-xr6rw
@Rolex-xr6rw 8 місяців тому
Great game, played until the end with a group on Playstation. Will always be in my heart.
@phachaves
@phachaves 2 місяці тому
It's just a hunch, but I believe that if Battleborn came out today ( and it was F2P) it would be way more successful than it ever was. Specially since Blizzard has been doing an AMAZING job making players hate all of their games, including Overwatch.
@thenegromancer4695
@thenegromancer4695 10 місяців тому
I was hype for Battleborn in highschool i thought it had more appealing character design and lore than overwatch on top of having more satisfying gameplay i wish people didn't write it off as a overwatch clone but just another hero shooter genre of moba
@guy_who_games
@guy_who_games 10 місяців тому
I honestly think Battleborn could have an audience if it came out today
@michaelknox3715
@michaelknox3715 10 місяців тому
Same
@horrorking1000
@horrorking1000 9 місяців тому
Still breaks my heart to this day such a gem they need to bring it back f2p
@kevindaydreamer
@kevindaydreamer 9 місяців тому
And yet, Battleborn had PvE and no one committing suicide, nor a Cosby Suite in that office.
@jjj0309
@jjj0309 10 місяців тому
Whenever you're feeling sad, just remember that you're not Randy Pitchford.
@cronadojo8385
@cronadojo8385 9 місяців тому
It’s so sad these online only games can be just nuked. I played this from launch to end and the small community I was a part of was absolutely gutted. If you have a disc you should absolutely be able to play a game no matter what
@Diazepamo
@Diazepamo 10 місяців тому
OH SHUT UP RANDY!
@Kishin-lv8dt
@Kishin-lv8dt 9 місяців тому
Such a shame it was definitely unique as there was no other like it I bet you without its director, it's online only servers, and a reduced price tag (or better yet free to play) it would have definitely done better this year then when it was launched
@vanhooza
@vanhooza 9 місяців тому
I thought battleborn was awesome, thorn was such a dope character. Every game was different with the skill tree and it just felt good
@otaku0698
@otaku0698 9 місяців тому
I liked BATTLEBORN. Game play was good and interesting way to upgrade characters via DNA. Like many of the characters had good and interesting personalities.
@Tremadog102
@Tremadog102 5 місяців тому
I really miss Battleborn. The characters had quirky personalities and I enjoyed the playstyles of most of them. A damn shame what happened to that game. The game felt like a scrappy underdog to Overwatch. Now watching Overwatch implode in on itself it feels a real waste that Battleborn had to die so that we could watch Blizzard fail.
@ganbitx2391
@ganbitx2391 9 місяців тому
Hot Take if Battleborn would have launched this year it would have killed Overwatch2
@pacivalmuller9333
@pacivalmuller9333 3 місяці тому
You can play Battleborn now offline with community mod.
@magnusm4
@magnusm4 2 місяці тому
Imagine if Battleborn was released during the height of the Overwatch 2 fiasco. Let another company or group buy Battleborn, rework it a little, change some stuff and rerelease it.
@reffa2858
@reffa2858 9 місяців тому
Borderlands released surrounded by games like Call of Duty and Halo. I felt like the only person who played it and people really didn't latch on to it until well into its life cycle. I think Gearbox is best when it lets its games fester. Just stick to their guns, support their game the best they can and people will come. B1 and B2 didnt reach their stride almost a year after their release. And I think Battleborn would be in a good place if it was still online. Especially now since Overwatch 2 is being universally blasted by gamers.
@drivanradosivic1357
@drivanradosivic1357 8 місяців тому
Battleborn relaunch with offline and hosting would be a must have and a great comeback! Shareware version with prologue, chapter 1 and 2 and the starting Heroes would be great. a Base game plus season 1 to buy to play and a veterans discount would be great.
@AltairEgoX
@AltairEgoX 7 місяців тому
They should DEF bring it back and update it This is the time! I know its not been done much before old IP's can Have new life if given a chance. Now that Blizzard has basically tanked its player base with empty promises and hollow platitudes its a perfect opportunity to enter the space!
@Deadbeat-Senpai
@Deadbeat-Senpai 9 місяців тому
I will admit, I'll never forgive randy for the death of Battleborne... I can't. I liked it, and they could have done something, but didn't do it in time, or do it well.
@Giferis
@Giferis 10 місяців тому
With the state of Overwatch2, the BattleBorn reboot would likely would do fairly well if not amazing.
@kazmiller96
@kazmiller96 10 місяців тому
I'm sure there might even be people that would be willing to give a Lawbreakers a chance lol.
@Vert_GreenHeart
@Vert_GreenHeart 10 місяців тому
Nah at least Overwtach 2 is still played, Battleborn just died few months after release.
@mo_musashi_284
@mo_musashi_284 10 місяців тому
Ol Please 👏
@SL4PSH0CK
@SL4PSH0CK 10 місяців тому
well said, great thought. It's the perfect moment to strike what overwatch failed to deliver and and what already exist
@negative6442
@negative6442 10 місяців тому
@@kazmiller96 Lawbreakers was legit fun
@RogueLG
@RogueLG 9 місяців тому
When this game went on ps+ it was like just me and 70 other people playing, it was still pretty fun.
@perryjohnson3801
@perryjohnson3801 10 місяців тому
RIP Brothers In Arms, a great non forgotten franchise
@PegLegManlet
@PegLegManlet 10 місяців тому
We will never get to fight in the snow.
@josephmahar8809
@josephmahar8809 10 місяців тому
I remember playing the beta, and matches just dragged on for so long and were so boring.
@AegisAuras
@AegisAuras 10 місяців тому
I was a big fan of both Overwatch and Battleborn back when. I actually enjoyed BB more due to its more tactical combat pacing and hero build depth. Despite that, OW had more appealing character design, art direction, smoother controls, and better sensory feedback for things like taking damage. OW was more appealing to the senses but was a shallower experience comparatively. I think the majority of gamers were drawn in by that initial appeal, avoiding BB for the lack of such.
@Seyanoo
@Seyanoo 9 місяців тому
Say what you will about Blizzard but they have an amazing art team. I found BB characters ugly and unimaginative while Overwatch had much more of a simple but aesthetic pleasing character designs that looked more iconic.
@AegisAuras
@AegisAuras 9 місяців тому
@@Seyanoo I think at the end of the day, people prefer their characters to be attractive and cool rather than wacky and bizarre.
@arg_9584
@arg_9584 10 місяців тому
I still remember my friends deciding between battle born and Overeatch all those years ago. We knew only one would prevail.
@julianojosoa2145
@julianojosoa2145 10 місяців тому
7:03 Evil Geniuses winning The International 2015, was an Iconic moment. It was the first and last time that NA won anything in DOTA2 x) They still got Super Teams like Shopify Rebellion, TSM, etc now but struggle a lot to win anything (Majors or The International)
@QwertyRulz2
@QwertyRulz2 7 місяців тому
It's so ironic because I keep yearning for those dungeon runs of Battleborn with its great characters and I literally gave up OW for almost 2 years and dipped my toes into it when it released the PvE stuff they just recently released...before again, not playing it since the first week of its release. I loved the dungeon runs. And the character kits were fun to play, the designs were great to look at, and the characterizations still live in my head almost literally every day with quotes from it. Plus: I ACTUALLY GOT TO DO THE STORY, unlike OW where it was side stuff that I could've easily missed, had I not known they existed. (I haven't even read the S:76 story yet because I just...I don't care anymore) Granted, I loved the **ahem** EVENT-ONLY PvE moments...but them being event-only was...lkfasjdofaisd
@chocoloutre
@chocoloutre 2 місяці тому
If you played it on pc, you cn nowdays play again PVE as a modder managed to get it playable on pc!
@Deadforge
@Deadforge 6 місяців тому
My favorite multiplayer game ever 😢
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