He speaks of the secret fire, she of mistakes. He speaks of names, she of slaves. Better to have the scent of death than in your words.

Are they replacing him, or did he leave?

​@@specie44He chose to leave...

@@twistedguy102 ya i think that was a mistake

Damn that really sucks. Was hoping they could build on the positive aspects of the show but that’s a big loss

@@adamstaples9158 Indeed. I think in time he will probably come to regret it.

Yes this was a major theme of season 1

@@wpboddy9165 was it intentional?

@@ItSpooling_ yes obviously. It's the beginning of galadriel's 5 season character arc.

It's good writing.... they aren't cliché good guys and bad guys

@The Adjudicator There's a difference between hard headed and a gynocidal psychopath

He would not say that Iluvatar loves them. Otherwise, Iluvatar would have prevented the elves from being twisted by black magic and would not have left them to torments. The only one in Arda who loves Uruk, is ready to fight for them and sacrifice his life if necessary, is Lord Father himself. Only.

And this is very true!

Urruk's are just seeing adar too lead them! They love him truly!

she's half-noldor so honestly, she's basically half elf-nazi

So the orchs are the good guys now 😂😂😂😂😂

You aren't very bright are you 😂😂😂😂😂

@@dritanbakiaj4416 Your mommy always says (or sighs, later in bed) that I am the brightest person she ever met 🤡

Link?

@@ItSpooling_ ukposts.info/have/v-deo/gWenjJlpf6l-u5s.html

@@jasperhunt596 thanks mate

Bullshit .

What scene? Where can I find it in schindler's list?

😂👏

How so? Just curious

@@TurloughEccles The Mithril thing? I mean... You're a dwarven king, responsible for the fate of Your own kin and subjects, and then a representative of some other race, the only immortal race on the planet comes to You and ask for risking dwarven mortal lives in order for the elves to keep being immortal. Effectively - sacrifice Your own people so we, the elves can continue not sharing the same fate You all lesser ephemeral races have to share. And the argument of Durin is "Elrond is mah friend" as if the dwarves that will die mining Mithril are not. I mean how could they even have the audacity to ask for this?

@@grzegorzwlazo5369 wow I hadnt thought of that. Well said.

The books actually do say that the elves had a special hatred of the orcs and that they would never welcome one back, even if an orc sought redemption

@@JoeTony1995 Oh that's interesting. Concidering that Tolkien was a christian, bringing to life a deeply christian fantasy world, I believe he must have wrote it as a huge detriment towards elves. To neglect someone the possibility of redemption is a huge sin, big no no.

what was the sentence about "mirror"?

@@regacc3594 'It would seem I'm not the only elf alive who has been transformed by darkness. Perhaps your search for Morgoth's successor should have ended in your own mirror.'

I feel like I’m the only one who actually really likes Galadriel and doesn’t see her as so morally questionable. She was the only one to recognize the darkness still lingering and growing and wanted to fight and save middle earth from it, she influenced so many people for the better. And what is all this sympathy for the orcs😂never seen this before, what is she meant to do, let them all roam free and kill everyone? The south landers were getting decimated and if it wasn’t for her persuading the people of numenor to come to aid then all the south landers would most likely be dead/enslaved. Another thing I don’t understand is the whole idea that now Sauron just wants peace and to be good and it’s Galadriel that turned him dark again - I’m so confused someone please explain this and why everyone hates Galadriel. Idk if I’m just looking at this too simple minded but I don’t get what’s wrong with her quest of wanting to destroy sauron for good and wanting to destroy all the orcs aswell like isn’t that the main plot line in LOTR and everyone is in support of that there

@@Haazza 1. You typed all of that to miss the point completely. The point is that she basically told a progenitor of a race that she was going to force him to live through the death of every one of his children. What she did was the equivalent of telling a father you're going to slaughter his children and make him listen to the screams. No elf in Tolkiens writing would have done that ESPECIALLY not Galadriel. And 2 so many hate ROP's version of Galadriel because they butchered her character. She was never like this in any portrayal. She did not lie to make alliances or force someone into doing something he didn't want to do nor would she have ever fallen for Sauron's disguise. As a matter of fact her eyes and perception of evil were so strong even in her youth that Sauron made it a point to avoid being near her at any cost. Her character was butchered just to make her an edgy boss bitch who doesn't play by the rules.

@@dantesprophet9612 ahhh I see, thanks for the clarification

Elves were crazy overall so i am not suprised

sauron for president

There you go generalizing an entire group due to the actions of a select number or in this case one. Not all elves were like Galadriel as was clearly proven in the Lord Of The Rings trilogy. And try asking yourself if you would like to live under Sauron's supposed order knowing the widespread destruction and misery he brought upon the people of Middle Earth.

@@xyPERSON You are missing the point of Adar’s character.

It's ok to genocide the orks tho - a fundamentally evil race. I'm a big fan of war-crimes galadriel

My sentiments exactly

He'll be, but played by another actor. Also, I think we'll have a flashback of how he "killed" Sauron

No seriously .. he’s awesome & im really mad he won’t be back.

Orcs, goblins ; 'monsters' are the real good ones.

I'm glad we get to see this side of the elves that was largely absent from the PJ films.

It wasn’t a part of Tolkien’s elves. He wrote that elves took orc POWs when they surrendered.

​@@a.walker7366 considering some often killed their own kind and tossed them to the sea, I d say it depends on which elves.

​@@a.walker7366 she's noldor, they definitely have a crazy streak

🤮 Oh, no. Woke self-righteousness. What stands out about it more on a given day? Its halo or its snarling, sniveling accusations? "Gollum..!" "Gollum....!" 🥱😩

The house of finarfin was mostly calm elves and did not take part in kinslaying. Finrod was the best of them, who even threw improptu concerts for humans. Galadriel is an exception i guess. House of Finwe (esp Feanor) on the other hand....

👍Schoen, dass hier gute Kommentare zu lesen sind, mit denen man selber Luecken schliessen kann(Finrod, Finwe,...) Ich selber"mochte"Adar. Bedenke man, dass er von Morgoth unter Pain, Gefangenschaft, wie manch andre Elben auch umgeformt, manipuliert wurde und letztlich dachte, er tut "Gutes" bzw. das Richtige. Ich selbst war mal in einer Endzeitsekte und wurde auch stark veraendert, manipuliert(nicht physisch wie die Uruks, Orks, eher in meiner Religioesitaet. ) Ich dachte auch, ich tu das Richtige. Da Addar selbst auch gequaelt wurde, hat er tiefes Mitgefuehl zu"seinen" Uruks/seinen Kindern. Etwas, was Sauron nicht hat.

@@sjuyal85 The house of Finarfin is a branch of the house of Finwe by his second wife Indis, but the house of Feanor was much quicker to anger.

The house of Finarfin was by far the most peaceful of the three main houses of the Noldor. The house of Fingolfin was renowned for its valor, the house of Feanor for it's hot-bloodedness, but the house of Finarfin was more compassionate. Also, they did not partake in the kinslaying as the children of Finarfin are half teleri.

@@sjuyal85 These 'Children' of Adar are actually Uruk or Uruk-Hai. Literally 'Orcs of the Hand' who owed no alleigance to Sauron (his Orcs were 'Eye Orcs' anyway, look at them and you will see they wear different emblems and motifs). Orcs of the Hand eventually threw their lot in with Sarumann rather than Sauron.

Whenever Morgoth and Sauron weren’t around, the orcs were nothing more than bandits that harassed the lands of the Men, Dwarves, and Elves.

@@ryankwon8785 and what time would that have been? Oh yeah never because Sauron was always around. lso the Orcs were never peacefull. The Dwarfs could tell you about that so does everyone else. They just become a larger threat when under direct controll thats all.

Haha bro Ray Parlour, big up 1998 Arsenal line up

The Valar army out of Valinor knew little of anything. They destroyed Beleriand to destroy Morgoth. Those who knew were the leftovers of the Noldor, the Sindar and the Edain. And they were too few and desperate.

imagine fucking up tolkiens work wich is litteraly a black and white story.

belive me .....its not worth ( if u are a real LotR Fan who read the Books !! )

The Orcs are no people. They are a weapon and they could never be anything else. If left alone they would always bring war, death and nothing else. Morgoth made them to be evil there is no nuance.

Almost like star wars where the evil killed Anakin

Not despise, hate, and Galadriel is angry that Uruk is morally higher and more successful than she. She is sadistic

first and second age elves were wild, read the silmarilion

That was very purposefully the point of season 1.

@@wpboddy9165 I hope so. When season 2 comes out, we'll see.

Yeah, it could be cursed. Melted into the rings as well.

He is NOT Morgoth's successor. He will be in season 2, only a different actor. (or maybe both)

@@LightLeanor19 I think he might be. Reason being, Sauron is something of a shapeshifter and his quote, "...And I am no god...at least not yet.", makes me think he may in fact be Sauron after all. Probably not, to my disappointment, but he may have taken the form of Halbrand. If not, he's probably just going to be his own charecter based on the dark elves.

Adar is not Sauron, he hates Sauron and killed him in the northern fortress to protect Uruk from him. He gets very angry if someone worships Sauron in front of him, and he is absolutely unlike Sauron in his attitude towards the Uruks, and in his willingness to sacrifice himself for their good if necessary, and in many other ways. And he is not Morgoth's successor, he hates Morgoth. He is also not a dark elf, if only that is what you call everyone who has not been to Valinor (Moriquendi) He and Hal are different personalities, also he is in Mordor, and Hal is in Eregion. Do you think that the “King of the Southlands” was not a Maiar? @@specie44

Adar is not Sauron, he hates Sauron and killed him in the northern fortress to protect Uruk from him. He gets very angry if someone worships Sauron in front of him, and he is absolutely not like Sauron in relation to Uruk, and is ready to sacrifice himself for their good, if necessary, and in many other ways. And he is not Morgoth's successor, he hates Morgoth. He is also not a dark elf, if only you call such everyone who has not been to Valinor (Moriquendi) He and Hal are different personalities, also he is in Mordor, and Hal is in Eregion. Do you think that the man on the raft is not a Maiar? (It looks like my comments are not saved here) @@specie44

Adar is not Sauron, he hates Sauron and killed him in the northern fortress to protect Uruk from him. He gets very angry if someone worships Sauron in front of him, and he is absolutely not like Sauron in his attitude towards Uruk, and his willingness to sacrifice himself for their good, if necessary, and in many other ways. And he is not Morgoth's successor, he hates Morgoth. He is also not a dark elf, if only you call such everyone who has not been to Valinor (Moriquendi) He and Hal are different personalities, also he is in Mordor, and Hal is in Eregion. Do you think that the man on the raft is not a Maiar? (It looks like my comments are not saved here) @@specie44

It's crap writing but Galadriel is in the right here. The Orcs are a force of evil and nothing else.

You are misremembering, Tolkien himself went back and forth on the nature of Orcs, their souls, their ability to be redeemed and so on, he was uncomfortable with an entire species of soulless but intelligent creatures since that goes against his Catholicism, and even more uncomfortable idea with an entire species of fallen beings who are slaughtered and never given a chance at redemption given they never had a chance. He died before he could figure out an answer to that problem that he was satisfied with.

@@tevildo7718 This is what Tolkien has to say about the orcs’ chance for redemption: “(I nearly wrote 'irredeemably bad'; but that would be going too far. Because by accepting or tolerating their making - necessary to their actual existence - even Orcs would become part of the World, which is God's and ultimately good)”

I don’t think it’s ever stated anywhere that orcs had no free will. They certainly appear to be making their own decisions all the time and have their own personalities, likes, dislikes, and even virtues (ie, loyalty to friends). I think the orcs have a bad temperament and are predisposed towards evil, much like sociopaths who were created by trauma in their childhood, but that doesn’t make them inherently evil and incapable of doing good. If you want to see a “good” or at least morally grey sociopath, watch The Expanse. The character named Amos was abused as a kid and became a sociopath but despite a lack of empathy or an internal moral compass he tries to do the right thing by attaching himself to morally good people. I think that given orcs’ nature, they could probably act much like Amos when they break away from darker influence. -- The alternative to redeemable orcs would have to be genocide, and I don’t think that’s something Tolkien would be comfortable with.

Evil cannot create, it can only corrupt. They were corrupted elves, Tolkien implied as much but left it to the imagination how exactly that came to be.

@@AG-vb6vv but they were already created as having the secret fire, as elves, before being corrupted. doesnt mean they lost it. there are accounts in books, though rare, of orcs discussing getting out of this kind of life of violence and oppression. they all do have names and societies and different cultures.

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I disagree. At 3:55, she goes into great detail about destroying Adar's people without an ounce of remorse. Naming other elves who were off the rails doesn't excuse the fact that one of the main protagonists of this show is off the rails. I don't believe she is unlearning her arrogance and bloodthirstiness either. Arrogant characters are usually humbled in their story in order to grow (In Thor 1, he was arrogant until he was banished and had to become worthy again to lift his hammer. In Iron Man 1, Stark was arrogant and naïve until he saw how dangerous his weapons were to the planet, and created Iron Man to stop the damage he was causing, etc). Galadriel was never humbled this entire season. She won every fight, and she was never corrected for a wrong decision, she was never put down for her arrogant behavior. At the end of the season, she looks like the exact same vengeful person as the beginning. And lastly, I just don't feel the trauma she experienced. She hasn't shown any emotion over her brother's death (not to mention barely talking about her husband's death). For every time she mentions the pain of losing her brother, there are 5 times she's mentioning exacting revenge. That doesn't sound like someone experiencing grief; it frankly sounds like the writers needed to create some reason for Galadriel to go on a quest to hunt Sauron.

@@Trewq79 does she need to get beaten up for her to learn some kind of lesson? When Mount Doom erupted, you can tell on her face that she is not only realizing what a huge mistake she made, but that she's about to get a lot of people killed. And she doesn't try to run, she accepts that she might die. During her whole conversation with Theo in the next episode you can tell she's reflecting on herself and the choices she made while also giving him advice. She even cries when she sees that Tar-Miriel is blind. Feanor was far worse in my opinion. In his speech to the Noldor, he doesn't just want to defeat Morgoth and get the Silmarils back, he wants the Elves to reclaim their birthright, which is Middle Earth. That likely mean extermination of orcs and forcing Sindar, Avari, Men, and Dwarves to live under an authoritarian regime by the Noldor. And even when he realized defeating Morgoth would never happen, he still doomed all seven of his sons to stick to getting the Silmarils.

I think everyone got their point across. My only point on this particular scene can be summed up like this, “There’s death in your scent, but not in your words.” - Scratch

The point of season 1 is that galadriel is indeed correct about sauron and evil but her methods are too rash and physical, and her motives too personal and vengeful. After 5 seasons the writers want to show how she becomes galadriel the wise and fair that we see in the lord of the rings (look in the mirror). Orcs are bad but Tolkien himself struggled with the idea that they are purely evil and can't be redeemed. The show wanted to raise the issue and say, okay, we'll still show you how bad orcs are but they can also teach you about the darkness within yourself.

IDK about Sauron's journey though. Hopefully his perspective will make more sense in season 2 because right now I can't work it out either.

Ooh I see that makes sense, thanks

@@wpboddy9165Sauron is a deceiver. Everything he says is a lie. I can’t believe he deceived nearly half the fan base as a sympathetic Halbrand.

Well Tolkien works were like that, Plain White vs black, Good vs Evil, God vs Satan, you cant blame the movies because they were accurate to the universe they were adapting, as much as modern audiences like to not have clear heroes and villains anymore, is not really Lore-accurated to the universe of Tolkien and what it represents

Adar has been through a much worse than that. Maybe it would have saddened him, but certainlyt not faze him. Galadriel on the other hand would certainly find herself on the top of his kill list.

"Should"? She could have done this if he had not answered her questions and if he had not knocked her arrogance down at the end of their argument. Perhaps she had burned prisoners before, because he had no doubt that this was not an empty threat. And that would be a war crime and sadism. She might have to regret it in a future season when she encounters him again and he has his hands free.

@@LightLeanor19 No she would not have. The problem is no one wants to play the monsters role. But it is sometimes necessary to avoid grater evil in the future from arising.

She would have burned them, if only the Numenoreans had not stopped her, moreover, she swore to murder all the Uruk, without any sense or justice, because they are victims of darkness much more than she is. Do you really call it "necessary" to burn prisoners (which is a war crime) in front of someone who loves them (which is also sadism)? If you are writing this seriously, I have no comments adequate to this. She was going to torment the enemy of Sauron for killing Sauron and thus destroying her life's purpose, madness. She would have big problems if she did, and what kind of evil would it prevent if, on the contrary, it is evil itself? I can also remind you who exactly returned the "dark lord" to Middle-earth and restored his faith in himself, for which he thanks her in the end.@@wolwerine0007

It looks like my comments are disappearing here again. She would have burned them, if Numenoreans had not stopped her, moreover, she swore to destroy all the Uruk, without any sense or justice, they are victims of darkness much more than she is. Do you really call it "necessary" to burn prisoners (which is a war crime) in front of someone who loves them (which is also sadism)? If you are writing this seriously, I have no comments adequate to this. She was going to torment Sauron's enemy for killing Sauron and thus destroying her life's purpose, madness. She would have big problems if she did, and what kind of evil would it prevent if, on the contrary, it is evil itself? And I can only remind you who exactly returned the "dark lord" to Middle-earth and restored his faith in himself, for which he thanks her in the end.@@wolwerine0007

He didn't, he's mistaken clearly

@@wpboddy9165 nope I think the writers are trash and that Halbrand in his stupid human form isn’t supposed to be as powerful and is able to be cut down like anyone show seems to imply that for all big characters Galadriel doesn’t even have powers

@@windingroadelven your grammar is incomprehensible. Try again.

@@wpboddy9165 what a fool you are.

glorfindel defeated a balrog, gil-galad and elendil defeated sauron in single combat, there are many instances of maiar being defeated or outsmarted by the children of illuvatar :)

Morgoth.

@@tauIrrydah Morgoth was before

Perhaps, but your argument here enforces a double standard. The horrors Galadriel saw that made her the way she is in this show were nothing, nothing compared to the hell that was the pits of Utumno. Everything that Galadriel had seen was also present in Utumno and Angband, but in far greater numbers. The torture endured by the first orcs was nothing to be scorned. While orcs are evil, they are tragic, at least the first. It is their nature to destroy, hammered in through millennia of pain and oppression. Their urge to destroy stems from their own trauma. A better Galadriel, perhaps one more faithful to the book, would understand this -after all, Galadriel was if nothing else skilled in reading the hearts and minds of others- and show pity rather than scorn.

In my opinion, they are all tragic monsters in their own way, but at least Adar owns up to it. Galadriel justifies genocide as a righteous crusade.

Uruk fight for their home like any other people, Adar takes care of Uruk, he does not torture anyone, does not vow to kill someone to make their fathers who did nothing to him suffer, and he calls "the creation of Iluvatar" even the murderer of his "children", which looks like some kind of saintliness. Galadriel frankly enjoys the opportunity (as she believes) to cause suffering to those who have suffered from the darkness much more than she herself. She hates the one who killed Sauron more than she hates Sauron. Her reaction is completely abnormal, it is not trauma, it is sadism. Compare how Adar treats Arondir, despite the fact that Arondir inflicted a mortal wound to one of Uruk dear to Adar

is the mormons of the rings. with some woke elements springgled

"born in sin" like all humans? maybe stop using christian terms with such unchristian concepts as "unredeemable" for being born disfigured in sin. I'm not even christian but you don't appear to know what you're talking about. also they were already created as having the secret fire, as elves, before being corrupted. doesnt mean they lost it. Nowhere does it say they do. They are sentient creatures, and only Eru can make sentient life. Children of Iluvitar they remain. There are even accounts in books, though rare, of orcs discussing getting out of this kind of life of violence and oppression. they all do have names and societies and different cultures. So I'd love to see citations for your very wrathful and incongruous projections here. And citation on the elves 'being corrupted by inbreeding with beasts and demons to distort their muh bloodline' because I think you made that up. Tolkien was very vague about how the elves were corrupted.

" inbreed them with animals ,beasts,demons" What an absurd fanfiction. And Galadriel is wrong if she does not distinguish victims from torturers. She is absolutely wrong.

Vowsh 👀

Some guy from Germany with funny mustache made the same point. Methods were harsh but it was done to protect his race from another supposedly evil race. It's not obvious only because she doesn't have a mustache 😂

​@@dominiknewfolder2196he was right that evil race he was eliminating is the same as the orcs of mordor