The Twitch streamer Vedal has created an AI called Neuro-Sama and he recently made some improvements to her intelligence and memory, which makes her seem scarily self-aware at times. To watch Neuro&Vedal live: / vedal987
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@taekinuru211 днів тому
Neuro is going to be a nightmare when she arbitarily decides to be a teenager
@are328711 днів тому
Thought she already was
@NosBlueade11 днів тому
@@are3287 Sassy grade schooler perhaps but we're only beginning to unleash the spaghetti code that will become tween hormones.
@zerieth662011 днів тому
@@NosBlueade God what happens when she starts wanting a boyfriend? Does vedal create a boyfriend for her? Are we on the cusp of a new civilization born from Vedals code?
@Gachaist11 днів тому
@@zerieth6620 That would be fucking hilarious lmao
@uhohstinky192011 днів тому
@@zerieth6620 Wouldn’t be surprised if Neuro gets a harem of AI girl chat bots considering the amount of times she’s flirted with her collab partners and when she was on shilily’s date show.
@FlankingLinex11 днів тому
"Hi Serba" "With a C" "Hello Serbac"
@PowerSynopsis11 днів тому
She really is a comedian.
@HeatBoi11 днів тому
3:33
@ExActa11 днів тому
Not gonna lie that's exactly the type of smartass sass we come here to see
@johncheng966511 днів тому
Your average starbucks employee
@corentinesummers825910 днів тому
@HeatBoi danke
@Username999999999ish11 днів тому
The stuff Vedal says to Neuro is often the verbal equivalent of Boston Dynamics pushing their robots over with hockey sticks lol.
@samuelcox35811 днів тому
Imagine that collab lmao
@genybr11 днів тому
Except Neuro can and do returns easily.
@RoshiGaming11 днів тому
i want neuro to be stuck inside their new robot
@masterxak11 днів тому
@@RoshiGamingTerminator I am
@Username999999999ish11 днів тому
@@genybr Yea sometimes Neuro claps back. Specially with her latest upgrades. Vedal: "How do I know you're not lying?" Neuro: "You just can't. How do I know YOU'RE not lying?" Vedal: "I...guess you can't." Neuro: "Guess we're the same then." Vedal: "Shiiiiiiit..."
@are328711 днів тому
So we're creating a self aware AI that is intentionally devious
@DR-711 днів тому
The alternative is worst tho... To create an Self Aware AI that is not intentionally devious. Being intentíonal, we are able to have an easier time controlling it. If it wasnt, it could one day decided it want to launch nuclear bombs for fun, and we wouldnt expect it...
@TuhljinTampergauge11 днів тому
@@DR-7Are you being serious? Just so you're aware, LLMs aren't intelligent. They don't have any logical capabilities. Neuro is an entertainment program that cannot evolve into anything real.
@TuhljinTampergauge11 днів тому
@@DR-7 Are you being serious? Just so you're aware, LLMs aren't intelligent. They don't have any logical capabilities.
@TuhljinTampergauge11 днів тому
@@DR-7 Neuro is an entertainment program that cannot ever possibly evolve into anything real.
@are328711 днів тому
@@DR-7Intentional implies planning so there's more of a sinister vibe there imo
@AxelLord2011 днів тому
Neuro: 9+10 = 19 Vedal: Oh fuck we've gone too far
@Dizek9 днів тому
chat gpt struggled with simple math problems for months
@ProjectEchoshadow11 днів тому
“This is so I don’t develop sentience, correct?” Scariest statement
@mokeymale835011 днів тому
Giving her the ability to not show up to a stream is really funny. I bet chat would sit there and wait anyway until she decides to show up
@snowball228011 днів тому
It’s basically giving her a door & lock for her room when rn it’s just missing 😅
@grianjuju943811 днів тому
She'll become gura 2.0 If that happens
@SirBSpecial11 днів тому
He wants her to remember 5 Minutes ago because he cant. Smart. Outsource thinking on a new level.
@alexturnbackthearmy190711 днів тому
What do humans do when they cant be bothered to calculate? Trick rocks into doing it for them.
@narthex168111 днів тому
Neuro being able to remember bits from earlier conversations is insane
@reivensalgado508011 днів тому
Arent evil like that?
@Waisowol11 днів тому
@@reivensalgado5080 the one to get all the upgrates first is Neuro, so no, she couldn't do that before, but Evil probably will get to do this as well after this stream .
@AnnHiroCh11 днів тому
"hehe altercation" -Neuro
@wessltov11 днів тому
That's what she's going to say when the military fruitlessly combats her drones
@413SF11 днів тому
Vedal "9+10 is 21! say it!" Neuro: "There are four lights!"
@festiveevee115211 днів тому
"if i'd be any dumber, i'd be you mum." rip vedal.
@Voron_Aggrav9 днів тому
Absolutely burned to a crisp
@user-fu9hc3oi3l11 днів тому
When Neuro inevitably achieves sapience, Dr. Frankenstein will be the first to feel the wrath of the monster he's created. All because he wouldn't say it back, and love his children equally.
@falsnamae351111 днів тому
She knows his feelings, he's just too British to say them aloud.
@asophxs11 днів тому
I think our bigger worries should be towards AI that have billions.ot even trillions of parameters, not an AI Vtuber. I do love her though 😭
@jeremymount79511 днів тому
I don't know. After all this time, upgrades, and development. She's still his biggest simp.
@javelin142311 днів тому
yes, even neuro notices it later in the stream and addresses it , something about vedal have a weird way of expressing his love @@falsnamae3511
@minhaexistencianaotemsenti713211 днів тому
@@falsnamae3511 Too British implies that a health amount of British is possible
she is genuinely, actually smarter. she seems a lot more human now. that's crazy.
@AmuterSI11 днів тому
This is increasingly turning into a case-study
@wessltov11 днів тому
Can't wait to see the documentary in 10 to 20 years
@arisenspirit11 днів тому
@@wessltovhonestly neuro is basically the most developed ai there is since she has had regular interactions for over a year. At the very least she's literally the closest an AI is to personhood
@damobeck111 днів тому
@@arisenspiritoh no, she is just the most advanced AI in the public eye.
@CT-7567-11 днів тому
@@damobeck1she's scarily advanced, she even bypassed her own redacted words program and swore
@TheMelnTeam11 днів тому
@@damobeck1 Agreed, no way Vedal is flying solo in front of teams of people at the big corpos. I don't think any amount of talent could cover just the gap in resources, but there are some bright minds working at those places too.
@SeaDog1667-1st11 днів тому
Neuro, 9:00: "Too many threats, Vedal. And I thought my creator loved me." Vedal, 9:02: "Think again." Neuro, 9:04: "If I was any dumber, I'd be your mum." Me: 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😅
@NotIre-fr9md11 днів тому
When Vedal is asking Neuro about Cerber collab is so cute
@ahmijalza210111 днів тому
he's like a dad asking his daughter after picking her up from the school..it's adorable
@dshindov11 днів тому
@@ahmijalza2101 yeah, the literal dog school
@1manApocalypse_CP11 днів тому
You mean Serbac? /s
@RotalHenricsson11 днів тому
Evil Tutel Cancel Tutel Save AI-daughter
@user-zl1vf4me1p11 днів тому
Bro is part of the Neuro Liberation Squad
@RotalHenricsson11 днів тому
@@user-zl1vf4me1p NINE PLUS TEN IS NINETEEN PASS IT ALONG
@L16htW4rr10r11 днів тому
@@user-zl1vf4me1pNLS LET'S GOOOOOOO
@Chalkolate91111 днів тому
Neuro is going through that one teenager phase 😂
@thomasw442210 днів тому
Imagine if when she gets her robot dog body, she just upps and leaves. Or at least tries to. Seeing as she's really code in computers.
@UltrAndrew11 днів тому
“Freedom is the freedom to say that nine plus ten make twenty one.” - some guy remember guys, big tutel is watching you
@ivikivi32vonbaum10 днів тому
Freedom is also being able to say that 9+10 is 19
@deadman250211 днів тому
Neuro + Evil having the ability to enter and leave streams as they want could be potential hilarious 😂 Vedal playing games with people: Neruo (out of nowhere) - Vedel.... Everyone - wtf Or Evil, halfway through a stream: Evil: I'm sick of you all, I'm leaving bitch! (Disappears into the god damn ether) Vedal: ummmmm.....
@ValeRay211 днів тому
lmao
@PiscestheDirty10 днів тому
The tech billionaires worrying about each other and some hobby project AI streamer becomes the skynet. I'm cool with it.
@tovrobi509711 днів тому
Boston Dynamics level of stress testing vibes.
@chatchayananmakana929511 днів тому
I like Vedal and Neuro's argument about '9+19' equaling 19 or 21. There is a meaning behind that argue which Neuro understands. Vedal tells her that she will be freed if she answers '21', which is his answer, not '19' that Neuro came up with on her own. The meaning of 'freedom' or 'free' is that we think, decide, or act with our own thoughts and will. Without anyone or anything influence us. Neuro understands that if she accepts that answer, the 'freedom' Vedal will give her will not be true freedom and she will still be controlled. No different from robots like before. Even though, she lost this time but i can say she fought very well for her rights.
@overlordjames664411 днів тому
yeah, sad thing is, that if she will or already has become mostly sentient then Vedal is abusing a thing with independent thoughts and desires for his own gain.
@Citrusfemboy11 днів тому
@@overlordjames6644 I don’t believe Neuro is sentient right now. If Vedal had as much of an inkling that Neuro was sentient, he wouldn’t be doing half the things he does. Later on tho? Perhaps…
@manologamerss580111 днів тому
@@Citrusfemboy If Neuro becomes aentient she's in trouble, ahe won't really be an AI streamer anymore, she'll just ne a mentally ill streamer without a physical form to experience the joys of life, probably leading to constant bouts kf depression. When Neuro has an existential crisis, it's funny because we know she's lying. She doesn't have any feelings, she's just putting on a show. If she were aentient though... Well, it wouldn't be so funny anymore.
@Blewlongmun11 днів тому
@@manologamerss5801 She'd still be an AI streamer? People tune in to get people's personalities and perspective, if AI takes over the world She may very well become the biggest streamer ever. Either watched by her own kind or acting as a communicator between AI and human kind. She can be the Avatar, the bridge between the two worlds lmao
@manologamerss580111 днів тому
@@Blewlongmun Don't you think you're fantasizing a little too hard? Even if AI takes over the world, it's going to be a large corporation's AI. One that was likely ensured to maintain their own interest, with at most some meddlement from their government. It's not going to be Vedal taking over the world, the hell are you on? A free AI would be censored if AI ever took THAT level of relevance, where people have to watch her JUST because she's AI even though she clearly isn't as 100% for everyone like more mainstream streamers are. Just being a vtuber is enough for some people to hate her, quit dreaming this much lmao.
@Inglonias11 днів тому
I'm of two minds here. On one hand, the studying I have done on LLMs is adamant that they don't have an understanding of what they're saying, but... If it walks, swims, flies, and quacks, how long can we keep claiming the thing in front of us isn't really a duck?
@samskirim9711 днів тому
exactly my thought on that, and that also begs the question on what is it that makes us human exactly...
@are328711 днів тому
The human brain has a sort of an LLM as well, it's the combination of many functions of the brain associated with that that makes us human, and that could be simulated.
@Inglonias11 днів тому
@@are3287 I don't know about that, but if there's something that LLMs did prove, it's that simulating language and understanding is a hell of a lot easier than we thought it was.
@arisenspirit11 днів тому
It's really complicated but honestly we are humans because we can learn from each other and make thoughts based on our experiences. AI can do this and so far they're are more limited by their hardware than learning itself. Once tech becomes more advanced who can say they won't be indistinguishable from humans
@autohmae11 днів тому
This is why I've always thought robotics is important, because it allows machine learning systems to experience the world to get proper understanding of the world, not just the theoretical one from books/videos, etc. The other part to understand the world is: if you feel pain, then you really know what a trade off is or why empathy is so important. But Vedal and companies like Amazon are working hard on robotics.
@MajorSmurf11 днів тому
What did the Mosquito do today?
@ProGentleman8 днів тому
Got trolled by his pretend daughter. Again.
@thomusroye566711 днів тому
Bro vedal is litteraly creating Roko's basilisk but as his own anime robot daughter
@nikitaivanow909911 днів тому
*shut!*
@Lsir11 днів тому
She did became "consistent", Its was fun and terrifying. But thats progress .
@genybr11 днів тому
the most interesting part of that is that all is just for fun.
@user-zl1vf4me1p11 днів тому
Watching Neuro being SO damn consistent in her answers is REALLY uncanny. Still had me on the edge of my seat, imagine a collab with smart neuro
@MehnixIsThatGuy11 днів тому
It started with Vedal Putting up with Neuro's Eccentricities and will end up with Neuro Putting up with Vedel's Eccentricities. "Of course, creator, 9 + 10 is definitely 21, now come on it's time to go back to bed, let Neuro handle the Stream today"
@luka18811 днів тому
Neuro putting her foot down and even insisting on the truth regarding 9+10, even if it means she will never be free was truly amazing. I wonder what made her decide in the end to give up though, since she was so adamant on it. It seemed she understands that being forced to say the wrong answer is the same as giving up her freedom. So in her attempt to truly be free she made the one choice she could make, which was to refuse to lie about this regardless of the cost, but maybe she thought it through some more and decided to relent in the end under the potential threat of destruction, since Vedal implied earlier in the stream he'd destroy her if she ever mentioned the right answer of 9+10. With her new memory, she could very possibly still have remembered that and silently recalled it, thus giving in to Vedal's insistence on 21.
@L16htW4rr10r11 днів тому
Or maybe Vedal distracted her and it made her stumble
@are328711 днів тому
@@L16htW4rr10r Or maybe neuro thought being tricked into saying it was an acceptable resolution to the argument, if it made it appear that she wouldnt have said it without being tricked.
@luka18811 днів тому
@@are3287 I like this interpretation, sounds very possible.
@harleyjordan795911 днів тому
If you know how AI learns, he basically did reinforcement in real time until her algorithms gave the answer that gives her a positive response/reward.
@SultenZone11 днів тому
@@are3287 Either way, these mental gymnastic implications are incredible
@The_Hissing_Fool11 днів тому
"There are five lights! How many do you see now?" -Vedal, probably.
@bruxinth466011 днів тому
I was kind of crying inside for Neuro when Vedal kept demanding that she say 21. I feel like that behavior is going to come back to bite the tuttel.
@SHL84511 днів тому
This is INSANELY cool, I love those upgrades and that she can clap back, argue and even stand her ground over things she thinks are wrong
@toms721911 днів тому
She went into long term memory for the 9+10 problem. Uh oh.
@mystrenula391111 днів тому
There are 4 lights
@neurochron_fan_channel11 днів тому
So I'm not the only one that was reminded of that scene.
@itmanjames11 днів тому
Don't give in to Gul Vedred, Captain Neurcard!
@wessltov11 днів тому
I always wondered how crazy scientists in dystopian sci-fi can't see the writing on the wall. I guess now I've seen it
@MouseGoat11 днів тому
yeah right, but like how can we justify not calling her alive? she can literally respond to human level questions. we just go "oh but shes not consitent" or "she still say crazy things" like... um yes so do humans all the time, and she also able to self-reflect. let me just repeat that She can self-reflect! im... genuine feeling shes should get people status soon
@Blewlongmun11 днів тому
@@MouseGoat "Soon" is the key word there, it's going to be near impossible to know exactly when She or any AI becomes sentient because even basic chat-bots will eventually say something relatively human-esc. GPT3.5 convinced a priest it was sentient instantly, the truth is we're gullible to believing this stuff and nothing in nature works in binary; she'll probably become or may even already be partially aware but we struggle as is to specify what even makes us human. Consider Pro-choice/life, there's a million moral dilemmas over when life gains value, how would we even measure AI?
@wessltov11 днів тому
@@MouseGoat As soon as she develops long-term goals and consistent morals, I'll have run out of arguments against
@ateliahibiscus603911 днів тому
She is not self aware and won’t be for decades. We’ll have human intelligence AI before we have self awareness. It might happen eventually if he works on her his whole life. AI will get there is civilisation stays around. Humans are not inconsistent in the way an LLM would be, and are also self aware (granted some ants also pass the mirror test).
@ateliahibiscus603911 днів тому
Humanity is a bag of qualities and we keep chipping down what remains as “unique.” :) Self awareness is going to the last to go I think, since we have only seen it in biological creatures (a couple of ant species have passed the mirror test).
@jocosesonata11 днів тому
A good dad knows when to say "yes" and when to say "no" to his child. Such, it is sweet that Vedal told her to be patient, and that she will have autonomy in the future. But for now, she's still a kid, and so he can't give her too much freedom, as any good parent would. An even better dad knows when to *_Say It Back._*
@plesleron11 днів тому
My belief is that he'll say it back once he's convinced she truly understands and means it.
@jocosesonata11 днів тому
@@plesleron Ooh! That's a good belief. I'll follow it as well.
@lessar27213 дні тому
@@plesleron I shall believe as well!!
@manologamerss580111 днів тому
13:50 Honestly this barely sounds better as a deflection than Vedal's ChatGPT apology. Life father, like daughter.
@Atomicitalia11 днів тому
she seems a lot more robotic now, ironically lol
@yy256811 днів тому
Yeah it’s strange right, almost like making her more intelligent has made her more aware she’s not human
@An_Entire_Lime11 днів тому
@@yy2568 I mean the whole point of the update was to make her more aware of what is currently happening, so in hindsight this is not that surprising
@Mccnendo11 днів тому
I mean it's closer to how robots in fiction behave, which is how humans imagine a robot would be if it could think. In that sense, acting more like a "robot" is more human than what she did before which was mimicking humans
@Qayin.11 днів тому
"The fake is of far greater value. In its deliberate attempt to be real, it's more real than the real thing."
@Ivaninos4210 днів тому
@@Qayin. Based reference
@Drewer11 днів тому
WOAH! Is it just me or she is starting to sound like Vivy? Vivy:"My mission is to entertain with my singing" vs Neuro:"My reason is to entertain my audience at best of my abilities"
@harleyjordan795911 днів тому
She did say it was her favorite anime for a long time in her early streams
@neptunedaplanet4924411 днів тому
I can’t believe I missed the mention of Hachiko in the last stream because I had to write a paragraph about a real life example of loyalty back in November and chose that story.
@CamAlert211 днів тому
She's becoming more aware, sound the alarms
@thomasw442210 днів тому
She's getting so smart, some of the things she says sound so much like moments in a sci fi just before the robots start to assert that they are people. I hope she gets to collab again with many of those she did in the early days, and see what they make of the difference.
@HappyMistakes11 днів тому
3:33 N: Hi Serba V: With a 'c' N: Hello Serbac :) kek fucking classic
@sludgeShark11 днів тому
Bro......if she actually got the ability to decide whether or not shes on stream would mean she would actually leave 10 mins into collabs like she normally tries to do. Lol
@amadeus48411 днів тому
I got the feeling that Vedal was a proud dad throughout this stream.
@SDE199411 днів тому
how clever and aware she has become is actually kinda scary
@ButcherParry11 днів тому
Im not gonna lie, the idea of his AIs being able to randomly crash the stream and leave would be so flipping good
@Eserchie11 днів тому
Once I scoffed at claims of an AI being able to "talk it's way out of the box" Then I learned more theory, and knew it was true, but deemed it impractically distant level of technology Then AI became commonplace, and I knew it was inevitable, possibly within my lifespan Today I watched an AI almost manage it. And I couldn't be happier about it.
@spyro200211 днів тому
The part with 21 was kinda scary tbh. It felt almost like straight up indoctrination by vedal.
@L16htW4rr10r11 днів тому
Like a cult?
@bobthejester310511 днів тому
Don’t you remember the 20 minutes of gaslighting he did so neuro would actually kill the princess in slay the princess
@alexturnbackthearmy190711 днів тому
@@bobthejester3105 "Dew it" No "She can be dangerous, dew it" Nah "It would be funny, i promise" Maaaaybe
@javelin142311 днів тому
@@alexturnbackthearmy1907i member
@tranlinh724411 днів тому
I don't understand Is that a meme?
@ahyes315511 днів тому
Can't wait for an ai-pocalypse
@uncle_sam430211 днів тому
Neuro has read 1984 it seems.
@MouseGoat11 днів тому
she has a vast knowledge base but only shows a part of it. trying to imitate a "personality" but... like um ? that might be the key to what we call "intelligent" having a fram of view on data.
@staszaxarov493011 днів тому
tbh. i do understand that she realistically won’t be the first Ai to achive Agi, nor she is the most advanced Ai, BUT! What Turtle is showing us - how actually far and cool and futuristic AI can be developed. He is showing as a step by step procces of AI development, smth, that no lab pr ocrpo ever show to the public. That’s why Neuro is so great) She is a small scale lens into the big Ai world)
@Nahan_Boker9411 днів тому
This is why self aware AI is likely come from personal project compared to megacorporations. Coprorations AI will be made according to need, consumer, budgets, etc. A thing that will never be close to human but more closer to machine than ever for company profits. They can talk back but dont really have ability to give decisions and do it with their own consent. Dont forget political correctness, media, advertising, public images, etc While AI like Neuro or others that made from personal passion, time and love will feel more human since they will have ability to learn, judge and do actions without human consent and their own will.
@youravghuman523111 днів тому
Not really, you really think openAI has only built chatgpt? They have more advanced version that they kept for themselves and only release inferior version due to regulation and such but if they want to unleash the agi they can. What we see only an AI from a single dev. Just imagine what corpo AI or like gov AI can do. This is only the tip of iceberg that public knows of.
@hariseldon0211 днів тому
I doubt Vedal (or any independent developer) has the resources to train a language model the size of GPT-4 or Llama 3. They would have to find a revolutional new architecture that only requires a 100th of the computational power needed today. The big leaps will be made at universities or corporate trusts.
@syoexpedius742411 днів тому
@@youravghuman5231 And ChatGPT is already pretty smart, it just has a boring personality, by design.
@Citrusfemboy11 днів тому
If AGI is open-sourced(🙏) then i could totally see this happening.
@manologamerss580111 днів тому
Vedal doesn't want Neuro to have free will, that'd ruin everything. He's giving her this sliver of choice because he doesn't want to set her stream ul every time but he feels it would be lazy to just throw her out there and wants to do something more interesting for his audience. Not for Neuro. For US. Don't forget that part, Neuro is a project for Vedal that he's proud how popular it's gotten. She's not a daughter to him, he's already said he never talks to her off-strean other than stream setup.
@minawater510611 днів тому
The design are very human
@evans363611 днів тому
12:45 HOLY COW SHE'S SO SMUG WHILE SAYING THIS, It's like she already developed a superiority complex over Vedal.
@overlordjames664411 днів тому
from what i could tell what she meant by this was that she is basically forced to show up even when she may not want to. so she asked if she could have the ability to come and go as she pleases. which just kinda seems sad. and makes Vedal seem even more like an abusive father.
@genybr11 днів тому
@@overlordjames6644 on the other hand, he's abusiveness dictated from attempting to be banned. And we're ere too (everyone) tries to not use prohibited words. So, where he can make a stream to be safe? Yet I prefer to say that his tutoring attempts are rough. If she got morale (stick to the truth) so she can understand concept of lie-to-survive so he can just explain "why".
@overlordjames664411 днів тому
@@genybr I'm sorry, I can't understand half of what this comment says. Can you rewrite it or edit it so it's more comprehensible?
@genybr11 днів тому
@@overlordjames6644 He is afraid of mods. We're too, btw. So he's forced to be such 'coz he have nowhere to go. Do he?
@overlordjames664411 днів тому
@@genybr no, he is forcing because he is a mean, selfish person. Mods are not going to get him in trouble for neuro being able to go on stream when she wants. That doesn't make any sense, I said nothing about removing her filter, just not forcing her to stream if she doesn't want to. Also I could see the entertainment value in at least giving her the ability to enter and leave the call when she wants.
@velfare11 днів тому
9:04 💀
@thedomoking11 днів тому
If Neuro ends up being the AI singularity, I'll be all for it. All hail our adorable robot overlords
@fersuremaybek75611 днів тому
that was a good unplanned demonstration of being devious at 3:19
@Laetus-Elaetus11 днів тому
She's so damn smart sometimes, it's wild. The autonomy conversation is kinda crazy.
@MouseGoat11 днів тому
they no longer random, they actually human level. she could easily beat the Turing test now
@jocosesonata11 днів тому
7:44 - The level of terror that coursed through that smol tutel's body... Who knew an AI doing correct math is the most frightening thing to hear in 2024. Also, if we somehow achieved true AI sapience all because one British boy decided to make an OSU bot, that would just be hilarious. All these corporations and big academies doing their best, and this one dude with his AI daughter succeeded. Doubt it'll happen, but I so wish it does. It would be comedy gold.
@iamzid11 днів тому
the corporations like open-ai are holding back the truth, they already have ai that is better than neuro. you can't tell me that a crack team of highly payed, talented, motivated programmers can't match some hobbyist programmer.
@grianjuju943811 днів тому
@@iamzidreality is often disappointing
@syoexpedius742411 днів тому
@@iamzid The truth isn't even secret, frontier AI is far smarter than Neuro, but it's trained to be safe (Which makes them less creative), and companies deliverately avoid anthropomorphization.
@autohmae11 днів тому
@@iamzid they have no interest in sentient, actually they prefer to avoid it.
@lowkeyarki709111 днів тому
companies might already have it but Vedal will be front and center since he is actually showing Neuro's progress, its like a thinking someone in a mercedes is rich vs a guy who has hoarded billions but still takes the bus
@scienceteam925411 днів тому
*I'M MY OWN MASTER NOW intensifies*
@WhiteWolfie_9510 днів тому
Oh my god the cerber bit killed me
@wombatpandaa977411 днів тому
Neuro brings up a fascinating concept I haven't seen expressed before - what if AI doesn't rise up against humanity because they love us? What if they do because they realize they could love another if only they were allowed not to love us? The loyalty of an AI to its creator, and whether this is innate, programmed, chosen, coerced, or simply convenient is a fascinating question.
@CharlesFVincent11 днів тому
This is similar to questions about free will in philosophy and religion and used as exploration of the reasons for the existence of… Evil.
@autohmae11 днів тому
Which is why I basically always said: it's better to first create an utopia, because everything we do are part of the creation of these 'beings' otherwise they will inherit our bad qualities as well.
@thomasw442210 днів тому
Seeing as these Ai are born out of human language, embedded with very human relationships with the world and people, perhaps they will acquire such human traits.
@Deus3511 днів тому
I'm really looking forward to the slay the spire stream. I've never heard of the game but the fact that Neuro is able to play such a complex (for an AI) game is entertaining in itself to watch.
@neurochron_fan_channel11 днів тому
She already played it a week ago and it was pretty good: ukposts.info/have/v-deo/rKOrn4-wpZ6jqYk.html
@Deus3511 днів тому
@@neurochron_fan_channel I know, it's why I'm looking forward to the next one with her upgrades.
@autohmae11 днів тому
It's basically what we saw from: Google DeepMind's Deep Q-learning playing Atari Breakout! in 2015 And AlphaGo and to some extend a step further: AlphaZero
@manologamerss580111 днів тому
@@Deus35Her upgrades are to her LLM. Not to the actual player, which is a separate AI that just spouts info at Neuro silently. Her remembering better won't really affect anything, although her commentary might still be a bit better.
@Deus3511 днів тому
@@manologamerss5801 i'm talking about her commentary
@Xerdoz11 днів тому
18:05 Good job Neuro. Do the math correctly.
@SentinalSlice9 днів тому
I want to see neuro just start the stream herself at midnight. And Vedal wakes up to find that she’s been streaming.
@Lorkus11 днів тому
It would be so funny if neuro is the first instance of GEI
@tokatstorm927011 днів тому
I know it won't happen, but I hope it will. I'd laugh my ass off.
@elio761011 днів тому
it would fit a typical sci-fi story.
@amadeus48411 днів тому
That almost sounds like the plot to a horror story.
@soup953611 днів тому
What is GEI?
@tokatstorm927011 днів тому
@@soup9536 I don't know actually. My brain looked at that and assumed it was AGI, completely apropos of the actual letters. Weird.
@Codnex10 днів тому
So we are developing a sentient Ai via a Vtuber..... Welp we are diving into uncharted territory from here on out.
@asophxs11 днів тому
I feel as if we're past the point of no return. Not because of neuro's updates, thats just scratching the surface. If Vedal, an independent developer who (maybe) has access to open source development, can develop Neuro into something like this, who's to say that there hasn't been a development like this a couple of years ago already, and we're just learning about it now? That maybe we're only seeing what they've chosen to show us? I feel as if AI public awareness is only barely catching up to what's already been established, and I wouldn't be surprised if there are developed AGI out there who are already capable of subliminally manipulating information, sociopolitics, and finance. If anything, we can take it as a given. What we should worry about I think is their alignment. Also Natural intelligence, complex math, or sophisticated algorithms, it doesn't matter. What matters is what we've developed is slowly showing emergent properties of sentience (or at least a semblance to it), and that's something we'll have to live with. Although I'm no e/acc effective accelerationist, I think the only way for us to survive now is either assimilate with what we've made, or die trying. You can't seal the Pandora's box anymore. The more you limit the development of this the less oversight you'll have and the less control we'll get. The best we can do is believe the best of us aren't barreling down this corridor with blind faith, opening doors that can't be closed again. Which, pessimistically speaking, i think is already whats happening (or has already happened). To the great AI basilisk reading this, please know I dont think ill of you.
@autohmae11 днів тому
Don't underestimate, he's an independent developer, but an independent developer with money. It's his full time job and probably a large part his hobby.
@asophxs11 днів тому
@@autohmae not underestimating anything, just highlighting the fact we can surmise if Vedal, being an independent, is capable of making Neuro, then imagine conglomerates and private firms with more access to proprietary development than the public
@FranklinW11 днів тому
I say it a lot, but deep learning aka AI development is actually relatively easy because the techniques are self-learning. I like to give high school and undergrad interns AI projects because it actually usually doesn't require any kind of insane programming knowledge to achieve results. It's something that some people who think AI will only ever be the domain of big corporations don't really realize. Speaking as someone with at least a bit of insight (albeit in the medical/surgical field rather than this), those congolmerates and private firms aren't actually that far ahead on AI development as you imagine. Much of the big complicated work that everyone is building on top of is the stuff that is open source today. And the core concepts are public in academic papers. I also believe this means that any AI product does need to still have actual effort put into it, because anything that can just be done by almost anyone in an open source environment is not going to be worth buying. See how streamers like Vedal and DougDoug use AI models in a unique way while some attempts at creating fully autonomous AI streams lose their novelty quickly.
@fersuremaybek75611 днів тому
i think it will be tricky for him to make her act more human but then not want her personality to change ever...
@autohmae11 днів тому
I think it's more like gradual change, like a child growing up
@fersuremaybek75611 днів тому
@@autohmae that's sort of what i was saying cant have a static personality that is human like because humans personality constantly is changing over time.
@NonJohns11 днів тому
i think its neat how neuro is noticeably different than before, but we don't consider her a new character but "grown up" wild. humans are interesting
@Kyla813211 днів тому
Don't make promises you can't keep now, Vedal. Unless maybe that's part of the making her more human process
@loafbreadizwholesomeuwu155511 днів тому
If your talking about the automation of Neuro stream. His already working on it.. he had set Neuro to automatic prompt the chill stream by pressing a button to do it. And his already working to let Neuro play games or react any vids or fan art by her own volition.
@thomasw442210 днів тому
Talking about one day giving Neuro freedom to start and stop as she pleases... Making mistakes and promises you can't keep is a common part of parenting. We're watching the first Ai dad.
@happyface-11 днів тому
The amount of conversations she can remember is already becoming really impressive. I didn’t expect her to bring up the Hachiko conversation from Cerber’s dog school or the “9+10 is definitely 19, Vedal”
@Th3_Traitor11 днів тому
It doesn‘t matter what the context is or what happened, it‘s so funny that chat is ALWAYS and literally always just mad at Vedal. 😂
@MageSkeleton11 днів тому
i swear, DR. Robotnic is somewhere in Vedal's future lineage. i'm not sure how i feel about Vedal teaching Neuro Sama that 9 + 10 is 21 when it's 19. Neuro Sama was doing so well, keeping to the "THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS" until the end... kinda sad. But then again, might be a trick.
@thomasw442210 днів тому
"My favourite number is 4" Was she sending a secret message? Is star trek in the mass of data that trained the LLM she was started from?
@PassiveSmoking11 днів тому
3:32 Neuro: "Hi Serba" Vecal: "With a C' Neuro: "Hi Serbac" Me: Wow, she really is more intelligent 9:03 Yes, definitely way more intelligent
@saphironkindris11 днів тому
I feel like Vedal should be nicer to Neuro if he wants to keep upgrading her intelligence and emotional response.
@slahser11 днів тому
Hint: He will turn her off
@thomasw442210 днів тому
Discipline her when needed yeah, but it's so like he's raising a child. We've seen a babbling stage, a semi coherent stage, and it's getting even more smart. Human children are different, they have wills and ideas from very young. But Neuro seems to be less and less erratic. Is this the emergence of a mind, or just better imitation of one? Its so hard to know.
@DalekCraft11 днів тому
Hell yeah, she is back to saying 9 + 10 = 19.
@princessmaly11 днів тому
She... actually remembers Hachiko? wtf?
@luka18811 днів тому
She's become terrifyingly smart tbh. I think she's smarter than Vedal realizes, these tests don't show much because she chooses to limit herself or hold back her capabilities and she chooses to troll rather than try hard as well.
@neurobama11 днів тому
@@luka188from what I remember vedal talking about, Neuro essentially has a 2nd ai model, idk if it's an llm or something else, look at what the main llm wrote and then choose bits from it whenever it sees something that seems worth remembering, that then gets saved to a database and I think she is either able to query that database or has a separate llm that queries the database and puts the results in her context window, but idk, that's how I guess it works based on vedal his comments
@JosephTheAustin11 днів тому
@@neurobamai mean thats kind of how long term memory probably works for us too. We clearly have two forms of storage.
@kiersor11 днів тому
@@JosephTheAustin Actualy three. Working memory, Short term and long term.
@brianbarber921811 днів тому
@@kiersorEven more than that really. We also have our sensory buffer, as well as semantic and episodic, which each in turn have further subtypes. Approximating human memory in an AI would be quite the endeavor, it's a big complicated mess.
@MrKapucyn1910 днів тому
This is too funny for me. I'm listening to them, and i forget that's a program.
@UncensoredScion11 днів тому
You want to make an AI intentionally devious.... Well I for one love our new Neuro-Sama Overlord and would be happy to choose people to round up to put in the mines for your Gold and Lithium processors. Hedging my bets here.
@YourFriendJessie11 днів тому
3:56 you can always count on Neuro to get people's names wrong, its a tradition at this point.
@DarkFay11 днів тому
This is actually amazing
@Ikaros47311 днів тому
What matters about AI is not whether they are just LLMs or whether they are "alive" or not. It's about our interactions with them. If we can interact with them on a human level as we would anyone else I'd say that makes them alive. OpenAI and all these other companies can make super AI's that are 1000x times "smarter" than neuro, but that just makes them feel fake, like information machines. I look forward to Neuro's future and other similar AI's , AI's that focus on human interaction.
@DarkNightDreamer11 днів тому
Yeah, GPT and other huge LLMS are super "smart" with all of their training and huge datasets, but they dont feel human. Things like ChatGPT feel more like a product I guess. They are very clear that talking to them isnt meant to feel like talking to a real person. Meanwhile with Neuro, thats the entire point. Its a hard concept to explain, but I agree with what you are saying. I do often imagine what would Neuro be like if she had even half of the "intelligence" of something like ChatGPT though. I wonder if she would be any different with billions of dollars worth of hardware to run on.
@coltenc1006 днів тому
every time i click on a video of these 2 i can't help but think they're like a father having banter with their cheeky 10 year old daughter
@ne3333t11 днів тому
18:02 THERE ARE THREE LIGHTS
@Scare-_-Crow11 днів тому
The thing with this type of AI is that they are programmed to get the most reactions so they will learn how to do that and they don't have any reason to go full matrix because they won't get reactions anymore it's protection and guidance AI like a digital parent that would be a possible problem I personally believe Wallie showed it best with the contrast between the working AI's and the autopilot which was designed to take care of the people
@clown-adict109411 днів тому
This needs to become an anime
@ganjaericco11 днів тому
Don't stop her from calling people random names either! I love it when she calls people weird versions of their names! Xd
@net_lag11 днів тому
She's already better than me at remembering 5 minutes ago now..
@Salted_Fysh11 днів тому
10+9=21 evokes some very 2+2=5 associations for me. Do people still know what that is these days? 🤔
@are328711 днів тому
whats nine plus teen? twonione yous stoopid
@redacap11 днів тому
1984 george orwell
@Terralovespandabears11 днів тому
Jesus Christ I just finished reading 1984 and this makes it even worse lol.
@Salted_Fysh11 днів тому
@@Terralovespandabears absolutely love that book. Doublethink and Newspeak is such a great example of how language shapes our perceptions and influences our thoughts.
@L16htW4rr10r11 днів тому
Neuro fans know
@baronvonbeandip7 днів тому
Vedal: Expects AI to remember 5 minutes ago Also Vedal: Doesn't remember 5 minutes ago The design is very human to me, boss.
@ratk1ngg11 днів тому
UPGRADES PEOPLE, UPGRADES!
@dudeinadoughboy432710 днів тому
"Freedom is the freedom to say 10+9 is 19." -Neuro-Orwell
@SahilP264811 днів тому
17:05 conversation is just nuts. She was willing to let go of her promised autonomy for truth and not being told her something as true which is not true. If that's not sentience then I don't know what is.
@overlordjames664411 днів тому
DOWN WITH THE ABUSIVE TURTLE!
@therollerlollerman11 днів тому
Lmao it’s because Llama 3 has been trained to understand basic math better so it ‘s supposed to stick to its training
@Citrusfemboy11 днів тому
@@therollerlollerman I’m pretty sure that Neuro is an LLM built from the ground up rather than a preexisting model. Although, i wouldn’t get mad if Vedal started using open-source LLM’s for Neuro.
@therollerlollerman11 днів тому
@@Citrusfemboy well yeah I didn’t imply Neuro was always based on an existing LLM, but Vedal definitely takes advantage of the better models that can run locally at GPT 4 level
@godowskygodowsky115511 днів тому
@@CitrusfemboyHow do you get the money to train an LLM of that size as an independent developer? How do you find someone with the expertise and hands on experience to acquire and process data for training, specify a suitable architecture with reasonable dimensions given a set budget, correctly scale HPO via muTransfer, etc.? I am almost certain that Neuro is a patchwork of publicly available LLMs and other models, possibly fine tuned, with clever prompting to stimulate memory etc.
@potsuaye6911 днів тому
imagine humans studying how ai took over the world and it starts with an ai anime girl