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With more board configurations than there are atoms in the universe, the ancient Chinese game of Go has long been considered a grand challenge for artificial intelligence.
On March 9, 2016, the worlds of Go and artificial intelligence collided in South Korea for an extraordinary best-of-five-game competition, coined The DeepMind Challenge Match. Hundreds of millions of people around the world watched as a legendary Go master took on an unproven AI challenger for the first time in history.
Directed by Greg Kohs and with an original score by Academy Award nominee Hauschka, AlphaGo had its premiere at the Tribeca Film Festival. It has since gone on to win countless awards and near universal praise for a story that chronicles a journey from the halls of Oxford, through the backstreets of Bordeaux, past the coding terminals of DeepMind in London, and ultimately, to the seven-day tournament in Seoul. As the drama unfolds, more questions emerge: What can artificial intelligence reveal about a 3000-year-old game? What can it teach us about humanity?
Best documentary winner: Denver International Film Festival (2017), Warsaw International Film Festival (2017), and Traverse City Film Festival (2017).
Official selection at Tribeca Film Festival (2017), BFI London Film Festival (2017), and Critics' Choice Documentary Awards (2017).
Find out more: www.alphagomovie.com/
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"I want my style of Go to be something different, something new, my own thing, something that no one has thought of before." Lee Sedol, Go Champion (18 World Titles).
"We think of DeepMind as kind of an Apollo program effort for AI. Our mission is to fundamentally understand intelligence and recreate it artificially." Demis Hassabis, Co-Founder & CEO, DeepMind.
"The Game of Go is the holy grail of artificial intelligence. Everything we've ever tried in AI, it just falls over when you try the game of Go." Dave Silver, Lead Researcher for AlphaGo.

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@kategleason6481
@kategleason6481 2 роки тому
The fact that Lee Sodol had to do press conferences after his games, and somehow held it together....I have tremendous admiration for this man.
@MonkeyDIvan
@MonkeyDIvan Рік тому
Bro he just played a game of Go, it's not like he lost a family member or he got his pants pulled down in public.
@nilsentunca2252
@nilsentunca2252 Рік тому
Same!
@36goatchild
@36goatchild Рік тому
@@MonkeyDIvan You know nothing about what it means to give your best and then loose, then try again and loose again, and then doing it again.
@RR-et6zp
@RR-et6zp Рік тому
our ancestors had it worse
@hitokikoeru535
@hitokikoeru535 Рік тому
@@MonkeyDIvan Have you heard about feelings?
@ethanwright2278
@ethanwright2278 Рік тому
Lee played a 1 in 10,000 move out of intuition. Mad respect
@TheVishnu3333
@TheVishnu3333 Рік тому
underrated comment
@Cyril0C
@Cyril0C 11 місяців тому
1:15:30 well the probability is 0.007% so it's one out of 14,285 !
@snicklesnockle7263
@snicklesnockle7263 10 місяців тому
Michael redmond said in hindsight there are ways to get around that move, and that Lee played there because it was the only place that he couldn't tell if it was bad or not. A common strategy when you're losing is to play something so complicated you hope your opponent messes up, and it worked, but it wouldn't work on modern programs.
@bradfordjhart
@bradfordjhart 8 місяців тому
7888000000÷14000=563428 people on the planet that would also make that move
@scottwarren4998
@scottwarren4998 8 місяців тому
@@Cyril0C The probability for a normal human is 0.007 %. But for lee sedol the probability might be 5% to 10 %. Don't get yourself lured by data-nerds who are good at computers but are quite bad at math.
@sniperzrx
@sniperzrx Рік тому
"It seemed like we humans are so weak and fragile, and this victory meant we could still hold on our own" "But winning this one time, it felt like it was enough". My favorite phrases... so powerful.
@flybobbie1449
@flybobbie1449 11 місяців тому
Perhaps the AI had emotion, it felt sorry for the losing player, let him win a game. Sedol would have been crushed.
@zloidooraque0
@zloidooraque0 10 місяців тому
@@flybobbie1449 devs have emotions and tweaked the program to lose. i'd done that too if i were them. perhaps after the very first match. or second
@zloidooraque0
@zloidooraque0 10 місяців тому
i also like the phrase "go is like art for us, creativity, something that only human can produce bla bla". now, 3 years later, AI generates craziest pictures, videos, texts. and wait until it starts making music..
@JohnAPerazzo
@JohnAPerazzo 9 місяців тому
❤ 14:07
@user-rs4sg2tz6k
@user-rs4sg2tz6k 9 місяців тому
@@flybobbie1449At least, AlphaGo never had emotion. It's just tree search algorithm with policy.
@omneil
@omneil 10 місяців тому
I’m a 70 year old man. I don’t usually cry on documentaries. But when Lee beat the machine. I had a good cry, I went through just about every emotion on this documentary. What outstanding filmmaking went into this documentary.
@jimmythehat579
@jimmythehat579 6 місяців тому
For motivation I watch this video in regular intervals
@scottwarren4998
@scottwarren4998 6 місяців тому
Hi. Lee Sedol should play 40 games aganist the stronger engine Alpha Zero Go, and be happy if he wins one game..
@joroP2BRO
@joroP2BRO 5 місяців тому
Yes but immagine alphago’s ability to learn from those games. Just immagine
@baghdadiabdellatif1581
@baghdadiabdellatif1581 4 місяці тому
This is why alpha go team lost the fourth game intentionally
@aaaaaa-hh8cq
@aaaaaa-hh8cq 2 місяці тому
​@@joroP2BROafter this game alphago was definitely improved. This was 6 years ago. It can now obliterate any human ant time
@spike1910
@spike1910 Рік тому
This may be slightly hyperbolic, but Lee Sedol beating this amount of computing power even once might be one of the greatest accomplishments in human history.
@alph4966
@alph4966 Рік тому
Lee Sedol vs【Dozens of Programmers, Mathematicians and Google Data Centers(TPU v1Pod)】 AlphaGo has CNN and reinforcement learning built-in, but that's not enough, it also has a tree search engine built-in. He won once against such a monster.
@BoxStudioExecutive
@BoxStudioExecutive Рік тому
really? making the program doesn't top it? rofl
@panic-a-la-mode
@panic-a-la-mode Рік тому
@@BoxStudioExecutive of course it's an achievement to make the program, but it was one man against the team of scientists. I suppose you can look at Lee sedol and imagine that it took a team of people to bring him to where he is the strongest Go player, but we love a David vs Goliath story.
@veekayvk
@veekayvk Рік тому
He remains the only human to beat AlphaGo under tournament conditions.
@TheVishnu3333
@TheVishnu3333 Рік тому
underrated comment
@lemuelreyes1941
@lemuelreyes1941 4 роки тому
He'll forever be the one who took down AlphaGo. What a legend. There's no need to be sad, this is like being sad that humans can't outrun a car, out swim a submarine, or out muscle a bulldozer. But Lee Sedol beating the A.I. was as if, for a moment in time, we did outrun the Lamborghini, we dove deeper into the depths of the ocean than the Vanguard class sub, and pushed out the modern mechanical beast in a Sumo match. Lee Sedol, you were super human. Fighting!
@raghavbharadwaj1636
@raghavbharadwaj1636 3 роки тому
Lemuel Reyes Hey man just wanted to say your comment made me quite happy after a solid 20 min of introspection once the doc finished. I guess it leaves you feeling very fragile. Moreover human conscious and thinking is so abstract that it hits differently when AI beats that. Whereas physical might has been present in the animal kingdom greater than humans for centuries. But thank you, great moment for man kind
@Elektric4rog
@Elektric4rog 3 роки тому
Lee Sedol gives me hope and pride in humanity
@NathanKwadade
@NathanKwadade 3 роки тому
Lemuel Reyes profound statement!!!
@keviniro7696
@keviniro7696 3 роки тому
Very profound and poetic statement.
@asscancer69thethird70
@asscancer69thethird70 3 роки тому
i see it as if the car broke down and is goin 0 miles per hour....he did not outrun it but got lucky
@andersw.h.pedersen2610
@andersw.h.pedersen2610 2 місяці тому
Thank you for 1) no commercials 2) team developing Alpha Go 3) Lee sedol for being him
@prajwalnagraj7620
@prajwalnagraj7620 2 місяці тому
seeing AI now as AI researcher, it has evolved over different fold. I am very much concerned. About. AI , it needs to be secured and follow security i feel.
@andersw.h.pedersen2610
@andersw.h.pedersen2610 2 місяці тому
@@prajwalnagraj7620 100% are u aware of effective altruism, I think they have a lot of great content on AI safety and the dangers :)
@shirtstealer86
@shirtstealer86 4 місяці тому
Lee Sodol being away from the board when AlphaGo made move 37 was such a cool dramatic effect in the film. First the reactions from everyone watching and the experts going bonkers over the move, then the anticipation of seeing Lee coming back from his break and discovering the move. Sometimes you get lucky as a filmmaker!
@HelgaCavoli
@HelgaCavoli Місяць тому
You make this into a movie and at that point people would say "Ah, com'on, it didn't happen this way! It wasn't even as dramatic as your making it sound!"
@DATo_DATonian
@DATo_DATonian 9 днів тому
@@HelgaCavoli Helga, I think you are wrong, but let me explain. shirtstealer86 used the expression "dramatic effect" and in this regard I think you are correct. I do not believe the documentary was trying to _create_ dramatic effect. It was merely presenting the facts. But I must admit I was very curious to see how Lee Sedol would react to the move. The first look on his face was surprise, and the second was a smile. Was he smiling because he was impressed by AlphaGo's move or was he smiling because he thought AlphaGo had made a mistake? He later admitted in an interview that he saw the move as very "creative", but was this comment made in hindsight, or was this appreciation of creativity evident to him when he first saw the move? Actually, it was a very dramatic moment in the film in my opinion.
@LeifCoffield
@LeifCoffield 2 роки тому
Fan Hui really is the star of this documentary, from heartbreakingly losing to Alpha, to being brought back to help with the AI, to going to Korea with the Alpha team and seeing the project through, he just seems like such a nice guy. Very glad he was in this.
@paulking5199
@paulking5199 2 роки тому
Fan Hui played a key role in making this documentary...perfect.
@offensiveexplosion
@offensiveexplosion 2 роки тому
Yes, I don't think Morgan Freeman could have narrated it better than he did.
@mk17173n
@mk17173n 2 роки тому
i hope they compensated him and other players. Helping a company grow its AI through their intelligence and not being paid is absurd. They are no different than being a consultant.
@stillframestorytelling
@stillframestorytelling 2 роки тому
22:48 I really wish that they shared how many games that Fan won (or the results of his training synthesis) with Alpha during the time he was training it at Deep Mind. I feel like it's the only thing that I am really left wondering.
@matthieupsg91
@matthieupsg91 2 роки тому
Just watched it for the 2nd time and this was my exact thought along the way. They all seem very humble and great persons but Fan Hui really brought something extra. Great documentary overall.
@transparent91
@transparent91 2 роки тому
On a side note, credit to Cindy Lee, the editor of this documentary. So well made. The cuts, the jumps, the sound, the emotions, everything. Superb work.
@KBBF3
@KBBF3 2 роки тому
Its crazy to live in a day where social media has caught up to the film industry in terms of production quality.
@fantasypolice
@fantasypolice 2 роки тому
@@KBBF3 A.I. contributed
@Brianbono21
@Brianbono21 2 роки тому
@@fantasypolice This A.I. turned out to be a decent performer as well! A.I. for best leading role in a documentary. Or could it be non fiction drama!? The production is really what made it work! Thank you
@uraniumu242
@uraniumu242 2 роки тому
One of the best of any kind of documentaries I have seen. It pulled me into the experience in a way that I felt I could have been present. The brilliance of Lee Sodol and his engineer adversaries is not one of man vs. machine but of man vs man. If we reach a point where man is no longer needed then we'll have the break-through that everyone anticipates and many of us fear;humans will be redundant.
@myname356
@myname356 2 роки тому
One thing I found funny was that at 1:04:48 they actually photo-shopped a different board in the background, to tell a better story. (of course there were other clips out of order to achieve a certain narrative, but compare the timestamp to the full commentary video for game 4, 2:50:04 ; they actually switched the board position :D )
@JackDespero
@JackDespero Рік тому
I shed a tear when he defeated AlphaGo at least once. I am not sure why a game between a man and a machine in a game that I never played before is so emotional to me, but it is something about the human resilence, the bow to never stop trying, to never surrender.
@bhaskarjhadotcom
@bhaskarjhadotcom Рік тому
I watching this documentry 3rd time. And 3rd time cried🤣
@Newbtuber
@Newbtuber Рік тому
@@southerncross8229 I think it is important to distinguish AI vs Deepmind AI. Regular AI were a joke, they cant win. Deepmind AI work differently which is why they are so powerful. There is no shame in losing to Deepmind but winning against Deepmind is legendary.
@Jay-eb7ik
@Jay-eb7ik 10 місяців тому
​@@Newbtuber Its the same time that cracked protein folding, they are insanely talented.
@ConnoisseurOfExistence
@ConnoisseurOfExistence 10 місяців тому
We humans have created this machine too. So be proud of our ingenuity.
@simonjohnson1257
@simonjohnson1257 9 місяців тому
I feel with the recent revolution in AI, there is this deep sadness about the machines surpassing human capabilities that we all feel somewhere in our minds. That sort of "We got this far, but we can go no further." As AI continues to move across more and more domains, there will be many such moments. I think AI generated art and music is the next one to fall. There will come a point where that recedes out of view and no human alive can do it better. I do get the sense that eventually humanity will be holding an empty bag and have to face the terrible question: "What are we for?"
@lisadiane55
@lisadiane55 6 місяців тому
I was so surprised to find this gem on UKposts, no fee, no ads. Such an intelligent and moving story.
@yelwinaung1608
@yelwinaung1608 3 роки тому
Lets be honest, we didn't expect this video to be that good when we clicked.
@bensmith9253
@bensmith9253 3 роки тому
Absolutely agree
@veteran357
@veteran357 3 роки тому
This video started playing because of auto play and I was about to look for a different video but for some reason I didn't I let it play and was immediately hooked and now I'm in at 1:20:31 game 5 and I'm literally confused as to who I'm rooting for
@DonDonX
@DonDonX 3 роки тому
I am glad YT recommended this to me
@seyo8068
@seyo8068 3 роки тому
No we didnt
@ilikegliding
@ilikegliding 3 роки тому
I was thinking at the start: WTF is wrong with youtube algoritms? And then I ended up watching it as my Saturday Night entertainment...
@otterpops85
@otterpops85 3 роки тому
the way Lee Sedol says, "this victory meant we could still hold our own", instead of speaking just about himself, was so selfless and beautiful.
@zebronic1000
@zebronic1000 3 роки тому
Agreed. Hats off to his humility. I aspire to learn from his,
@aliince9372
@aliince9372 3 роки тому
Yeah, but he was also so egotistical that he thought he was going to 5-0. When he starts losing, it becomes "we".
@otterpops85
@otterpops85 3 роки тому
@@aliince9372 maybe it humbled him and changed his thinking? idk i like to build things up not tear them down
@student6292
@student6292 3 роки тому
@@aliince9372 i cant blame him. it beat a 2nd dan and he is a 9th. i think he just didnt understand how quick AI can learn. 5 months isnt enough for a human but it is a luxury for AI
@aliince9372
@aliince9372 3 роки тому
@@otterpops85 That's great that you like to build things up! Because his initial reaction was to tell the media that the program that a group of computer programs had basically wasted the last 3 years of their lives.
@thewateringwiz7118
@thewateringwiz7118 11 місяців тому
That was incredible. I’ve never played Go, I’ve never heard of Lee Sedol or AlphaGo. But this document made me so emotional. Incredible storytelling, all the people there to share their story and comment on the events, it’s just incredible. I was so happy and emotional when Lee won game 4. I want to learn how to play Go now
@InkAndBrass
@InkAndBrass 7 місяців тому
Reading this, I hope you’ve played at least your first game! There are many great online servers to play and learn on.
@vigilancebrandon3888
@vigilancebrandon3888 5 місяців тому
I’ve been learning. It’s hard!!!!
@thebongbongseffect
@thebongbongseffect Місяць тому
I've played GO twice. I was at a complete loss. After watching this video, I'll be purchasing the game. Watching Lee Sodol beat AI was moving. I want to play again.
@billtetley1596
@billtetley1596 Місяць тому
@thewateringwiz7118 If you read this I hope you have found your way into the beautiful and ever changing life of Go. It may seem overwhelming at first but don’t forget to take it one step at a time, one tsumego at a time, one game at a time. Remember: you never lose a game if you are willing to learn.
@averylogsdon6123
@averylogsdon6123 11 місяців тому
The way everyone reacts to AlphaGo winning in different ways is fascinating. The one announcer laughing in disbelief while the other just seems sad and horrified
@DavidsKanal
@DavidsKanal 4 роки тому
I think Lee Sedol's humbleness, even in the face of a defeat, is absolutely admirable.
@ekagaurangadas
@ekagaurangadas 4 роки тому
But wasn't he very puffed up before the match? Even to say that AlphaGo never played to somebody in his level?...
@DavidsKanal
@DavidsKanal 4 роки тому
@@ekagaurangadas I think it's one thing to show confidence, but another to admit after the fact that you were mistaken.
@ekagaurangadas
@ekagaurangadas 4 роки тому
@@DavidsKanal That's true, I was 3/4 on the movie, progressing the docu he was admitting and even in his winning match he was really humble... great docu, Lee Sedol was put under so much pressure.
@kasparov937
@kasparov937 4 роки тому
Wish Kasparov was humble the same way in 1997 against Deep Blue, it was his arrogance that made him think the Deep Blue team where cheating, and eventually led to his poor play in last game and loss of match.
@AlonsoRules
@AlonsoRules 4 роки тому
he was the last human player to beat the computer
@sirvosterzo
@sirvosterzo 2 роки тому
Honestly, I find it incredible that Lee Sedol managed to learn and adapt to AlphaGo's playstile after playing only THREE games against it, while AlphaGo had to simulate literally millions of games against top players to be able to win this consistently. While it's obvious that AI is far superior, especially in the long run, this really shows how incredible Lee Sedol's brain and human's adaptation capabilities are.
@user-ol5bj4dm2v
@user-ol5bj4dm2v 2 роки тому
Very strong insight into the reality. AlphaGo is but a very well-developed narrow AI. The dimensionalization of the game of Go in the human mind is so much broader, while AlphaGo's conceptualization is simply as deep as computation allows. If an AI used human principle of association for learning Go, it would crush AlphaGo.
@JesusPerez-iw3ey
@JesusPerez-iw3ey 2 роки тому
Its not actually superior. It just has more relative time and energy. AlphaGo has been fed millions of winning games, winning strategies, can play 24/7 against itself literally eliminating millions of bad strategies/computation errors daily. Lee Sedol is human, and still manage to win a game against basically millions of players at same time that have been playing for metaphorically millions of years lifespans. I am not impressed with AI or AlphaGo. It is just computational stronger and doesn't need rest. NOT actually better persay. Just perfectly efficient.
@guilhermenunes3044
@guilhermenunes3044 2 роки тому
@@JesusPerez-iw3ey I believe you're right in the sense that a machine can work 24/7 in the same problem. However one aspect worth mentioning, as stated in the documentary, is that it's impossible for computers to calculate every possible move in Go, even if we put together all computers running 24/7 with maximum capacity. I think the challenge here was to mimic the human brain (with its logic and creativity), something that we do naturally every day, but it's really hard for a machine.
@SpocksBro
@SpocksBro 2 роки тому
@@JesusPerez-iw3ey You're wrong though. Would have to watch this documentary again but since Alpha Zero, the chess version of Alpha Go, relies on the same neural network engine I'm fairly sure that it didn't get fed any games. Alpha Zero chess engine played exclusively against itself to improve and had zero training data (self-learning aka reinforcement learning as opposed to supervised learning). All it knew initially were the rules of the game. It then went on to crush all conventional semi brute force chess engines. Not only that but it found superior game strategies which baffled even the best of GM's (as compared to what chess books written by humans suggest) that relied on aggressive piece sacrifice to gain an advantage by opening up board space.
@dragonbane44
@dragonbane44 2 роки тому
@@JesusPerez-iw3ey AlphaGo is actually better because it won. Does not matter if it played millions of games against itself. Outcome is that it won. Winning means you are better.
@mesunekonyan
@mesunekonyan Рік тому
Fan Hui is such a great man, his choice of words or how he explained his thoughts and opinions is really captivating.
@Oque.Nos.Somoss
@Oque.Nos.Somoss 6 місяців тому
Hi guys. I'm a professional poker player and I don't know a thing about Go, at least before watching this documentary, but I'm being very honest to say that it's very clear that all the team put a huge amount of love and effort in this documentary. I will start playing Go because this is another universe that I want to discover and delight. Thank you guys for this peace of art. I hope that all of you have a wondeful life.
@Lybrel
@Lybrel 5 місяців тому
Your thoughts on Limit Hold'em being solved by computers and unbeatable 1 on 1 against the very best pros?
@busfahrer09
@busfahrer09 5 місяців тому
@@Lybrel LHE is superghey, always has been. t. pro since 2006
@Oque.Nos.Somoss
@Oque.Nos.Somoss 5 місяців тому
@@Lybrel Hi! I can say more about No Limit Hold'em because it is the world that I've been inside in the last years. The truth for now is that humans can beat computers playing GTO because we can manipulate the sizes of the bets and by doing that we manipulate the response of the solver because it will be necessary for "him" to adjust its range accordingly to the sizes that "he" is facing. So even though I don't play Limit Hold'em I can say that I understood the idea in your question and I could say that your are probably right to think that when we lose that edge of the bet sizes it becomes way more difficult for a human to beat a machine. Good luck on your infinite path!
@PunmasterSTP
@PunmasterSTP 2 роки тому
90 minutes ago I didn't know I'd be taking a detour to go through an emotional odyssey. This was truly something to behold. Thank you to the DeepMind team, Lee Sedol and everyone else who made this possible!
@juanabinaderjr
@juanabinaderjr Рік тому
Agreed! I put it on to go to sleep and instead stayed awake from 2:30am to 4:00am fully captured and enamored by each twist and turns like a gazing into a campfire 🔥
@PunmasterSTP
@PunmasterSTP Рік тому
​@@juanabinaderjr Though I watched this one during the day, I've definitely stayed up too late watching a few other documentaries! I also watched Fredrik Knudsens' documentary on Deep Blue, and though I think that one was exceptional (as they all are), I was a bit disillusioned with the information I learned. In my mind I thought that Deep Blue was thinking more like a human, at least more so than just being programmed with a bunch of chess openings and other old data. On the other hand, I think that AlphaGo and AlphaGo Zero are the "real deal", and it's really cool to see how they can be creative!
@Good_Minso
@Good_Minso Рік тому
same, and I had barely heard of the game before this :)
@rayamarante4768
@rayamarante4768 Рік тому
Yes, in deed, I felt like I was transforming with Lee simultaneously. A deep A-HA! moment, but on an emotional level. AI is such a hot topic right now too, especially on Wall St.
@maiconoliveira4221
@maiconoliveira4221 3 роки тому
"I want to apologize for being so powerless" Words of a World Champion
@MosesMatsepane
@MosesMatsepane 3 роки тому
Asian culture, they place a lot of emphasis on "not letting others down". I saw it a lot in Japan, it's painful to watch sometimes.
@magicmulder
@magicmulder 3 роки тому
Indeed. Compare this to Kasparov (whom I generally admire) accusing the Deep Blue team of using secret human interference after he lost.
@Art-talk
@Art-talk 3 роки тому
And you can look at it this way, whole teams of people for years made program who beat this one man, nothing to be ashamed of.
@alahancog8056
@alahancog8056 3 роки тому
In my opinion, I think he carried the weight of representing the human race against a powerful machine. He was apologizing for being powerless and it was heartbreaking.
@TheGoodContent37
@TheGoodContent37 3 роки тому
Asians tend to lie to be seen as superior or better. In Japan they even have a word for it. Someone saying something publicly means ABSOLUTELY nothing. You are very Naive...
@enruzky
@enruzky 4 місяці тому
When I watch this video, Lee Sedol, his hope and dissapontment, his struggles, I saw humanity.
@rjwh67220
@rjwh67220 6 місяців тому
What a monumental achievement this was. A watershed moment for both the game of Go and for computing. And Lee Sodol deserves massive respect; he was such a gracious competitor and gentleman. This was a wonderful documentary and I thank you so much for sharing it.
@BelRiose2000
@BelRiose2000 4 роки тому
"Move 78", that will be the name of my resistance movement when the machines takes over.
@rxtr664
@rxtr664 4 роки тому
Let that be the name of the operation to tak'em down.
@Ixions
@Ixions 4 роки тому
everybody gangster til a cloud of "4-1" nano-mites sweep over you and puncture every cell wall in your body and you collapse into a freezer-burnt lookin' pile of goo.
@TVPetey
@TVPetey 4 роки тому
Danyal Cheema Maybe AlphaGO understands politics too. Winning all five games wouldn’t have been a real win.
@franciscomunozdelarosa2402
@franciscomunozdelarosa2402 4 роки тому
1:29:28
@metatron5199
@metatron5199 4 роки тому
TVPetey idk if that was sarcasm or you being serious, if the latter you need not worry as alpha go isn't smart that is, its intelligence is in a very limited domain i.e. playing games and more specifically GO, what makes alpha go so interesting is it's core architecture i.e. The deep learning approach used which can be applied else where in other domains, to make something like human cognition is going to much more complicated than just simply using deep learning, neural networks etc, all these various AI techniques will be of great use, but it will not be some singular technique most likely, but rather it is much more likely to be a multitude of various techniques/approaches (i.e. Various software technologies aka the various algorithms that we are speaking about here) and how they are all integrated with one another this being the crucial component of course and should be for obvious reasons. I mean all you need do is just think about it how much more our brains work i.e. What is cognition/consciousness, the mind and the other myriad of terms used to generally to describe the other various consciousness which is essentially the same exact thing as the description and than integrating them together in Eva way that is successful! Cheers
@jangingout
@jangingout 2 роки тому
To be able to have the only win from AlphaGo out of its 74 official games alone is something remarkable. Huge respect to Lee Sedol
@shantilus
@shantilus 2 роки тому
Haha, yeah 74 official games... but millions and millions of simulated games (far more than a human could perform in multiple lifetimes).
@piingufps
@piingufps 2 роки тому
@@shantilus against himself, but he talks about other humans. obviously alphago has won against itself several times xD
@antoniofuller2331
@antoniofuller2331 2 роки тому
LMAO
@sciencecw
@sciencecw Рік тому
​@@piingufps technically alphago has a 50% chance of winning against itself, and it has win and lost in every game
@VieneLea
@VieneLea Рік тому
@@sciencecw which means it has 100% of winning against itself. Though don't bet on it, as it also has 100% chance of losing.
@Relsie
@Relsie Рік тому
Watched this after seeing an interview between Demis and Lex Fridman. AlphaGo and its importance were discussed in the podcast, which brought me here. The dichotomy between the promising, inspiring technology and humanity's last effort to best machines at Go was something I wasn't really prepared for. Very glad I indulged, what a wonderful documentary.
@velvetgrimm
@velvetgrimm Місяць тому
I made this same journey, from Lex and Demis to here. The interview was so compelling that I just had to learn more.
@mlimrx
@mlimrx Рік тому
I have so much respect for Lee Sodol:) Not just a master Go player, but displayed some of the best traits of what makes us human.
@PrinceKoopa
@PrinceKoopa Рік тому
What trait is that?
@vallano8970
@vallano8970 10 місяців тому
@@PrinceKoopa resilience, determination, perseverance, passion.
@user-uc9vx5zn1n
@user-uc9vx5zn1n 3 місяці тому
Lee se-dol. correct plz
@bartthefrog8011
@bartthefrog8011 3 роки тому
When Lee Sedol said, “If I had played better or smarter the results might’ve been different... I want to apologize for being so powerless.” I really felt that.
@KIMOSALAH
@KIMOSALAH 2 роки тому
@@mieve1743 did he actually retire? I mean, the documentary claims he had played tournaments afterwards and won them all. That would be the other side of the story we would want to know more about, from a psychological perspective I mean.
@MyYounghun
@MyYounghun 2 роки тому
@@KIMOSALAH Lee retired two years ago. he said that the match against alphago affected his retirement.
@KIMOSALAH
@KIMOSALAH 2 роки тому
@@MyYounghun that's so depressing. Imagine the massive psychological impact on millions of families when machines excel in their jobs and replacing them leaving them unemployed, which is already happening btw
@yeonoo03
@yeonoo03 Рік тому
@@KIMOSALAH yeah, it's quite a shame. He also said that, along with the match against alpha-go, the advance of the internet affected his retirement especially because he learned Go from a philosophical and artistic view. While many of the past Go players created their own style, he said he felt if there really was any worth to it if "answers" and broadcasted games were so easily accessible.
@ccramit
@ccramit 2 роки тому
Geez. For someone who has never played Go, this documentary was more emotional than I expected it to be. Fan Hui is so poetic with a language that isn't his first language.
@spriteworksdesigns2434
@spriteworksdesigns2434 2 роки тому
Agreed! Glad I had a box of Kleenex close by. LOL
@JR-rz1br
@JR-rz1br 2 роки тому
His french is fantastic too.
@thatspeedrunnerdude7121
@thatspeedrunnerdude7121 2 роки тому
I cried 3 times
@elakiyasivakumar8547
@elakiyasivakumar8547 2 роки тому
I cried through every single scene. honestly, the world owes that man an apology.
@wonderstruck.
@wonderstruck. 2 роки тому
English isn't even his first or second language, it's his THIRD language. Much respect
@berlynify
@berlynify Рік тому
"As new players discovered the game, a worldwide shortage of Go boards was reported" - triumph ... GOOSEBUMPS!
@aaradhyadixit4322
@aaradhyadixit4322 10 місяців тому
Wasn't expecting such an emotional story... Absolute Masterpiece, Loved it.. and feeling inspired by the mentality of Lee Sedol, after being defeated by a machine 3 times with whole world watching, he came back, such a mentality monster... Such an emotional documentary, maybe the best documentary i have ever watched!!
@tommasobrindani5894
@tommasobrindani5894 4 місяці тому
What saddens me is that after 3 years, Lee Sedol resigned. He stated he felt there was no point in playing a game competitively where entities that couldn't be beated existed...
@Mike-vt5kk
@Mike-vt5kk Рік тому
I've never heard of alphago, Lee Sedol, or the game go before today. I teared up multiple times throughout this documentary, it's one of the most human things i've ever witnessed on screen.
@lynette599
@lynette599 Рік тому
Yes, I REALLY identified with Lee Sedol. Not because I am a good board-player, but because I am human! 🤗
@TheHesseJames
@TheHesseJames Рік тому
Yeah, teared up as well during match four and had my fist up in the air when AlphaGo resigned. I played once against a 2nd dan Go player, got 9 stones handicap and he went almost mad because I did secure territory in one corner and couldn’t completely wipe me off the board. AlphaGo would never have done this.
@danielrodrigues4903
@danielrodrigues4903 11 місяців тому
I teared up a lot as well, but for the opposite reason. I identified with DeepMind and their journey of building a superintelligent machine.
@atlantic_love
@atlantic_love 11 місяців тому
@@danielrodrigues4903 Very curious how you identify with such a thing.
@BeyondMillennium
@BeyondMillennium 11 місяців тому
@@atlantic_love We've identified the machine in chat.
@lnbalon
@lnbalon 3 роки тому
I cried when Lee Sedol finally won a match against AlphaGo. I never thought that a documentary about artificial intelligence will explore such deeply human emotions. Great job!
@Utroll
@Utroll 3 роки тому
I think they let him win a game, once they castled their 3 needed wins, so you could get emotional and believe in human blabla, while the machine could clearly make a cold 5-0
@ThePostmeridian
@ThePostmeridian 3 роки тому
@@Utroll That's absurd. They did their very best. Sedol won because he's a genius, and there were weaknesses in AlphaGo, one of which he found in game 4. DeepMind went on to create AlphaGo Master and Alpha Zero -- both of which have crushed literally everyone (including the original AlphaGo). They weren't holding back during this contest. Don't look for conspiracy theories where none are required.
@Utroll
@Utroll 3 роки тому
@@ThePostmeridian "conspiracy theory" ? Just that ? :) That would be called politeness and Public Relation. May be it failed, and may be it failed out of the blue after cashing the 3 wins on a 5 rounds tournament. We'll never know and it doesn't matter, a conspiracy matters a lot. Like baby in kuwait or WMD in Powell's hand years after..
@paramottbunnjaweht6080
@paramottbunnjaweht6080 3 роки тому
@@Utroll Watch the "Future of Go Summit" played in COMMUNIST China. Improved version of AlphaGo defeated everyone except Pair Go (Human+AI vs Human+AI). Why would you appease Korea by losing when you crushed the Chinese Top of the World's? Google just stepped into China and showcase its innovations by beating China's top Go professional players.
@Sora-tk1tv
@Sora-tk1tv 3 роки тому
@@Utroll :))))))))))))))))
@DATo_DATonian
@DATo_DATonian Місяць тому
This was one of the finest documentaries I have ever seen and I do not even know how to play Go. I was thinking that this story is almost mythical in proportion to the sum of the facts, and then I remembered the legend of John Henry, "a Mighty Steel-Driving Man".
@berlynify
@berlynify Рік тому
Not much of a board game player .. never heard of Go, Lee Sodol, DeepMind etc. ..BUT oh my goodness - GAME 4!!! ..GOOSEBUMPS & frissons. Elation I felt, when it became clear AlphaGo wasn't able to "digest" move 78, like the snake that eats its own tail -TRIUMPH! Thank you, to all involved ❤
@tennenrishin
@tennenrishin 3 роки тому
"I'm not happy to lose the game, but I'm very very happy for play in the history". Bravo; spoken like a stoic.
@lliang77
@lliang77 3 роки тому
I lose but history. heestory.
@theazrael4423
@theazrael4423 3 роки тому
Its funny how 2nd language speakers, especially asian, use a few "broken english" words to convey a sentiment you could write a book about
@lliang77
@lliang77 3 роки тому
@@theazrael4423 I find no humor in it, but I agree and share your frustration.
@devonjames9883
@devonjames9883 3 роки тому
@@theazrael4423 English might be their third or fourth language
@Anonymous51701
@Anonymous51701 3 роки тому
Wow. I literally swiped to any random part of the video and got exactly that quote, while reading this comment
@bobjones4901
@bobjones4901 2 роки тому
As both a physician and a Go player, the reason this is so significant is b/c the same team that created AlphaGo is using the same technique to solve protein folding (predicting 3D structure of protein simply by 1 dimensional amino acid sequence), which is hugely revolutionary in pharmcology, medicine, and bioengineering.
@amor2874
@amor2874 Рік тому
Yeah, I’m generally leery of AI, but when they discussed how it’s being used to solve medical problems, I thought for the first time of some of the real benefits!
@michameleon8078
@michameleon8078 Рік тому
Is there any good go apps? ;) wuhhoo
@lynette599
@lynette599 Рік тому
@@michameleon8078 Well, I saw some people in the documentary use Go-apps.
@renzo6490
@renzo6490 Рік тому
Big Pharma must be nervous at the prospect that certain diseases might eventually be prevented or completely cured. Their profits depend on treatment and symptom relief …not cure.
@brynawaldman5790
@brynawaldman5790 11 місяців тому
@@amor2874 It is humans who mess w humanity. The danger is not the intelligence of computers, but the motives of the people who can make huge profits from AI. Medical research is the example here. Amazing cures may be developed. But there are now indications that both COVID & ebola were lab leaks. TBH, if they were lab leaks, they were being developed as weapons of war. As with computers; the virus has no morality; good or bad; one way or the other. But the humans behind these developments can have unethical goals. And once the tech is developed, even if the designers had good motives, others will be able to use the tech selfishly. Time for us to grow up. Thru our toys we are too powerful, now, to survive if we don't grow up. Hasn't climate change shown us this, by now?
@SHAHEEN-12698
@SHAHEEN-12698 4 дні тому
One of the finest documentaries I have ever seen. What an incredible storytelling, made me so emotional. I've never played or heard of Go, never knew who Lee Sedol was, but take a bow humble legend. Fan Hui's words were captivating. And, kudos to AlphaGo team too. 24.03.24
@1sava
@1sava 25 днів тому
Wow, probably one of the absolute best documentaries I’ve ever watched. Its philosophical implications for the future of human intelligence and civilization are further reaching than I had anticipated prior to viewing it. As of March 24, a lot of AI researchers and expert (especially in Academia) are still underestimating and even denying the intelligence and creativity of AI systems like AlphaGo and ChatGPT. It’s hard to know if it’s merely based on expert bias, intellectual dishonesty, existential dread, or some of combination of all 3. Whatever the case might be, I believe it to be a grave mistake, which will cause the general public a lot of shock when they finally realize the incredible disruptive and innovative technological era we’re about to enter into. Let's buckle up, Buttercups!
@nathanking9630
@nathanking9630 4 роки тому
I feel Fan Hui 2p is the true hero of this story! He introduces us all the the wonderful game of Go! He gets called, "not a strong player" by Lee Sedol, and still has the humility and acceptance to get on board (no pun intended) with the AlphaGo team to help improve its AI. We see his humanity and love for people, the game, and the AI. It is a combination of what it means to be human; acceptance, the willingness to learn, and truly feel what life is about. In these troubled times I hope we as humanity can all work together in making this world a better place, for All!
@liquidtunes
@liquidtunes 4 роки тому
This comment should get more visibility 👏🏻
@PeterRoscoe
@PeterRoscoe 4 роки тому
I had the same take-away. I think it was intended.... The last scene.
@geofbarrington9574
@geofbarrington9574 4 роки тому
The fact that you mentioned Lee sells comment "not a strong player " is quite wierd to me ..you think that's a really horrible thing ?
@fieldsvisitor2290
@fieldsvisitor2290 4 роки тому
@@geofbarrington9574 English is not Sedol's first language so these things can be taken with a grain of salt.
@shadowcoder887
@shadowcoder887 4 роки тому
i felt the same way
@markhorrobin7070
@markhorrobin7070 2 роки тому
To be honest, I had never heard of Lee Sedol until today . Now I will never forget him. You are a Legend Sir.
@thd7919able
@thd7919able 2 роки тому
One of the legendary go master in korea :)
@billy-cg1qq
@billy-cg1qq 2 роки тому
Same and I thing he's now the most person I respect. Definately the greatest of all time
@charlesmendez4686
@charlesmendez4686 2 роки тому
I felt bad for Lee Sedol, some of the top players suffer a lot emotionally from just one loss and not being the best even if it is a machine. Imagine seeing the best chess or poker player going out for a smoke, you definitely know that things are very bad
@GetMoneyFuggBidges
@GetMoneyFuggBidges 2 роки тому
@@billy-cg1qq you can stay oukuuoillliliullu likeuntil not numbers for you ikiikikiki uuunnuunnn I but if juniji ikiin injit nnkiniouuni. I’m into the I Îluiu is
@OOT461
@OOT461 2 роки тому
Owe
@shingtome2179
@shingtome2179 Рік тому
I can say with a high probability of confidence that this is my favorite documentary.
@akc1739
@akc1739 5 місяців тому
Excellent film. That one line about AlphaGO “feeling nothing” sent chills. Felt like an intuitive warning.
@Kerome33
@Kerome33 2 роки тому
What surprised me about this film was how emotional it all was… the guy who was the European Go champion, the Asian players, Lee Sedol, the commentators, the way they were all aware about how a player’s Go playing style reflects his character, the way they all got involved. It was quite touching.
@sucim
@sucim Рік тому
It's not surprising to me after realising they put their whole life into mastering this game. Very touching seeing them (unexpectedly) loosing the upper hand, then winning it back for a blip and losing it forever afterwards
@PrinceKoopa
@PrinceKoopa Рік тому
What parts were emotionally driven? I didn’t get emotional at all. It was like watching a regular chess tournament
@pancraes
@pancraes 2 роки тому
I have never been moved by something I know nothing about. By far one of the best documentaries I've ever seen!
@jhenrick79
@jhenrick79 2 роки тому
Watch The King of Kong: A fistful of Quarters. I stood up and cheered like an idiot about a game I barely played as a kid.
@takeoffupantsnshowdaddylongleg
@takeoffupantsnshowdaddylongleg 2 роки тому
thank you pancreas
@whyjustwhy6351
@whyjustwhy6351 2 роки тому
I feel the same 100%. I live in America and after watching this i feel like i dont know anything. I used to think i knew a wide variety of random things. Like enough to hold conversation in just about any subject. I now realize i dont even no 1/2 of whats out there
@henrytemd
@henrytemd 2 роки тому
100%!
@noxiousnews
@noxiousnews Рік тому
Did not expect to enjoy this as much as I did. I know I'll be talking about this to my colleagues at work tomorrow. Pretty sure none of them have heard of Go. Really well done documentary.
@JamesP69
@JamesP69 11 місяців тому
I watch this over and over again, it's breathtaking, pure raw emotion. Incredible.
@slw4410
@slw4410 Місяць тому
I'm on my forth time watching.
@eicossa7993
@eicossa7993 4 роки тому
I lost myself for 90 minutes in this documentary, in the midst of all the COVID19 coverage. Great work!
@amandamate9117
@amandamate9117 4 роки тому
"home office"
@D1G1TALFOX
@D1G1TALFOX 4 роки тому
💗
@thePronto
@thePronto 4 роки тому
It was a great distraction. But also a reminder about our vulnerability.
@itsweaponX
@itsweaponX 4 роки тому
Same here
@zeezone8121
@zeezone8121 4 роки тому
The coverage is rather too much now. We need to learn something new, a language, a course or something fullfiling
@Mayor_Imad
@Mayor_Imad 2 роки тому
1:02:45 "I want to apologize for being so powerless" This broke my heart so much
@craigwheeler4760
@craigwheeler4760 2 роки тому
He used up all his power on move 78! That move will go down in history as one of the greatest ever played. According to Alphago, there was a 1/10000 chance a human would play that. I think that's what short circuited it. It was reading out every variation except for that one. The move by itself don't work, but it did directly threaten a huge Ko fight for the top area, so it actually was the Divine move. Gu Li said it was "the God move" on live TV....after discovering the ko thing.
@Erebus.666.
@Erebus.666. 2 роки тому
I know right? Powerless my a**! Beating the program even once is a huge win. Big respect to Lee Sedol.
@JorgFloren
@JorgFloren 2 роки тому
This match broke Lee Sedol. I just saw his wiki page he quit GO in 2019 "On 19 November 2019, Lee announced his retirement from professional play, stating that he could never be the top overall player of Go due to the increasing dominance of AI. Lee referred to them as being "an entity that cannot be defeated"."
@ynpavo
@ynpavo 2 роки тому
@@JorgFloren He's not broken, he accepted he would always be second to this new form of intelligence and thus chose to go for new challenges. Extremely humble and admireable in my opinion.
@katiaorgiana4135
@katiaorgiana4135 2 роки тому
Lee Sedol is the winner. No doubt
@elkiton
@elkiton 5 місяців тому
Well worth watching, no comments here could spoil the suspense and emotion of this superbly produced story/documentary. Old style, no hype, not too techie, the best viewing I have had all year. Well done for posting it.
@dricdroc4985
@dricdroc4985 7 місяців тому
Hands down one of the greatest videos on UKposts. It was my X times watching it, I'm so jealous of those who haven't seen it yet
@beautifulmercury
@beautifulmercury 4 роки тому
never expected to cry about a computer playing a game I don't even understand
@Entropy__
@Entropy__ 4 роки тому
Same!!!!
@Tubemanjac
@Tubemanjac 4 роки тому
The same with me, i guess the perfect background music has also played a role in this.
@Fopenplop
@Fopenplop 3 роки тому
@@daarksideyt Our species isn't dying because of the future AI apocalypse. Hell, look at the algorithm that decides what recommendations to show you next to this video: we already are in a world governed by vast, unaccountable computer systems. And those systems are governed by profit, which is just an inhuman a motivation as it's always been. To those who are learning about the game of go for the first time from this documentary, I highly encourage you to look into it more! It's an amazing game that really is unlike anything you've played before. If you like documentaries, check out The Surrounding Game, which is less of an ad for a tech company and more a film about the game itself and what it can inspire in people.
@andreidanilov9925
@andreidanilov9925 3 роки тому
@@daarksideyt I think the fear of machines is nothing different from the fear of the unknown, meaning that it is over-exaggerated and it halts progress. Fear-mongering by trying to predict a dark future is nothing new, and that's what I think is happening with the fear of AI and technology taking over the world.
@mohamedbaridhwan3017
@mohamedbaridhwan3017 3 роки тому
Same!!!
@bodiesatva
@bodiesatva 2 роки тому
This documentary is mind-blowing in itself. I never thought I would be so moved by something I know nothing about.
@divinepraiseericc
@divinepraiseericc 2 роки тому
Exactly the same way I felt...
@eannane8712
@eannane8712 2 роки тому
Haha. Right. O so the black pieces won't, why am i crying,
@trekvargas7124
@trekvargas7124 2 роки тому
Yup, same here. I feel so broken.
@asmith1230
@asmith1230 2 роки тому
Have you ever seen the origami documentary?
@edwardyarberry6917
@edwardyarberry6917 2 роки тому
Well put, I wanna learn now
@billtetley1596
@billtetley1596 Місяць тому
40:21 - The looks on the Korean game commentators faces speaks incredible volumes. The shock of the realization that a human, a revered and admired professional that is so well known, was defeated must have been so overwhelming. They probably felt an incredible sense of humility and doubt never experienced before.
@kimneo4271
@kimneo4271 11 місяців тому
내가 알고있던 모든것이 잘못되었다라고 느낄때 그 좌절감이 얼마나 괴로웠을지 상상도 할수 없지만, 이세돌 선수는 그런것마져 배움의 일환으로 생각하는 큰 사람이였군요. 역시 대단하고 특별한 선수 입니다.자랑스럽습니다.
@edwardlee374
@edwardlee374 3 роки тому
Game four and Lee Sedol's God Move will forever be remembered. What a legend. Lee Sedol is the only person to have ever defeated AlphaGo in a game.
@FishFreddy
@FishFreddy 3 роки тому
It will also be remembered by the AI.
@teleny3127
@teleny3127 3 роки тому
They let him win game 4
@huba3885
@huba3885 3 роки тому
@@teleny3127 and how would they arrange that ? how would you build such a mechanism into this kind of program ?
@HxHorse
@HxHorse 3 роки тому
@@huba3885 They could easily implement something like that, but thats such a far fetched conspiracy thats its insanely stupid to even remotely consider
@billymuellerTikTok
@billymuellerTikTok 3 роки тому
@@huba3885 watch the movie again... they unplug the alphago laptop after game 3 and don't plug it back in until game 5
@Shadowboost
@Shadowboost 4 роки тому
1:15:10 is just mind boggling. A human played a move with 0.007% chance. Best part of the whole documentary
@kasparov937
@kasparov937 4 роки тому
But the odds of Lee playing it were 100%, since it was the only move he saw 😃😃😃
@Zopdoz
@Zopdoz 4 роки тому
Deserves that "mind blown" gif from Tim & Eric 😂
@blarblablarblar
@blarblablarblar 4 роки тому
Actually, I think it's beautifully analogous to the move 37 played by AlphaGo in game 2. Literally no one thought that the move was good, it was so bad it was a joke. It took the best player in the world to walk into the room to see what an incredible move it actually was. When you put those two together, move 37 from AlphaGo in game 2 and move 78 by Lee Sedol in game 4, that's where you see the potential of the cooperation of human and AI
@ownyourgov
@ownyourgov 4 роки тому
Alphago is a program that trains go players.
@evilbred974
@evilbred974 4 роки тому
@@blarblablarblar From my understanding of how this type of AI works, and from Go commentators (and believe me, I am not in any way a great Go player) that this is a perfect play style vs this sort of system. Move 78 is something that preys on Monte Carlo Tree weaknesses, as the AI prunes possible decision branches (otherwise it would never be able to calculate them all) that if you make a play that it didn't expect, the AI will have little defense against it and will struggle to regain it's footing. In the film we see it only gave a 1 in 10,000 chance that Sedol would play it, so it didn't index that decision tree and then struggled the rest of the game to gain it's initiative back.
@mayi4403
@mayi4403 Рік тому
The best documentary everrrrr!!!! I wasn’t expecting to have a mixture of heartbreak and relief and joy! Lots of tears of joy and heartbreak and admiration and sense of yayyyy, humans still are so far the most intelligent beings on this planet. 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
@ashanmaynard4085
@ashanmaynard4085 Рік тому
This match is like 2 competitors, 2 different routes, and a single destination. Imitating moves & calculate probability vs the real intelligence and feeling of the game. How could this type of match be even possible? Respect to both parties.
@comradesentournjr3696
@comradesentournjr3696 2 роки тому
This documentary is INCREDIBLE. Seeing everyone lose their minds when Lee finally pulled it off was absolutely beautiful. Even the AlphaGo team seemed thrilled to see him finally get one over. Can't believe I am only just seeing this doc now, this is right up there with my all time favorites. Beats the hell out of a lot of those garbage Netflix / Hulu docs that get churned out right on schedule just like vehicles on an assembly line. IMHO the best documentaries approach their subjects with love and appreciation, this one truly exemplifies that.
@iam_elgee
@iam_elgee Рік тому
Hello. You seem to have a deep appreciation for quality documentaries. I love a good documentary as well. Can you please recommend some other good ones like this?
@thehammurabichode7994
@thehammurabichode7994 Рік тому
... Well... I'm like, 4 minutes in and have a pretty good idea of how it ends... sigh My fault for readin' the comments!
@NickRoman
@NickRoman Рік тому
@@thehammurabichode7994 , ha ha Well, it's not really about the ending. A documentary is about learning how we got there. I'd actually like a very different documentary about this: one where they talk mostly about how AlphaGo works. They said nearly nothing about that.
@satsa6569
@satsa6569 Рік тому
@@iam_elgee Try Fermat's Lost Theorem... Simon Singh
@NativeNewMexican
@NativeNewMexican Рік тому
@@iam_elgee Touching the Void is an amazing re-enactment/documenatry I'd put above/on par with this one.
@BarneyWobba
@BarneyWobba 3 роки тому
I love how DeepMind kept Fen in the loop and had him come on board. Some would have just looked for a better player rather than someone with his positivity and respect.
@amun-ragaia8496
@amun-ragaia8496 2 роки тому
they did look for a better player... They did both. It is also very logical to do that. Nothing out of the ordinary here
@kellyref8327
@kellyref8327 2 роки тому
In a triph
@netrunnercl
@netrunnercl 2 роки тому
@@amun-ragaia8496 i think you don't appreciated the statements given, the eu pro was a guinea pig who has zero respect for software at that moment available but the final target was the N1. Once they beat the eu pro they could have totally drop him, at the same time the eu pro already grew a lot of respect for the developers and wanted to be in the loop.
@nunyabidness1852
@nunyabidness1852 2 роки тому
@@amun-ragaia8496 don't be a dick dude
@ddabo4460
@ddabo4460 18 днів тому
Because I've been working LLMs (as many of us have started) I have crazy respect for Lee Sedol and the DeepMinds team. The fact that he beat ML program once is quite amazing.
@ep103103
@ep103103 10 місяців тому
This was a great movie with a lot of extremely valuable behind the scenes footage and interviews that were wonderful to watch. I teared up multiple times. But there are a few things this movie left out, that I wish it hadn't, which I think it did specifically to drive drama and/or highlight the technical achievements of the deepmind team at the expense of the full picture: 1. Lee Sodol's speech after game 5, which was one of the more heartbreaking speeches I've ever seen in media, where he heartfeltly apologized for failing humanity, and a room full of reporters offered him emotional support. 2. The issues that the movie presents as potential weaknesses alphago had due to its method of training prior to game 1, are things that one would likely have to play against alphago numerous times in order to find. That's why Fan Hui has to play so many times to realize those weaknesses existed. It was unlikely that Lee Sodol would find them in just 5 games, which makes game 4 all the more amazing. 3. AlphaGo had access to study all of Lee Sodol's games, but not the other way around. IIRC: Lee Sodol did not train extensively specifically for this championship, as it was so unexpected that a computer program could play at this level, and even if he had, he did not have access to AlphaGo's games to study from. (Note: a comment below states alphago team didnt train on professional matches) 4. The DeepMind team would later create AlphaGo Zero which was more powerful than AlphaGo, and was completely self-trained, without input from the prior games of its opponents or any human. 5. My understanding (and I may be wrong here), is that it is traditional for players at this level to analyze the game together after the game is over, as a mutual respect / learning tradition. The AlphaGo team didn't do this (to be fair, they didn't have to), but this was partly why Lee was so upset after the first game, and why he brought in friends afterwards to help him analyze. He fundamentally didn't understand the strange style of AlphaGo. Its not like chess, where DeepBlue was just finding better moves, AlphaGo was playing the game differently, and Sodol felt a bit blindsided. 6. After this match (and documentary?), Ke Jie, the current world champion at the time, declared that he would be able to beat alpha go, now that he had seen what it was capable of, and he would not be blindsided by alphago. Ke Jie lost to AlphaGo 0-3, by the time they played each other, AlphaGo was significantly better. 7. 3 years later (and after this documentary), Lee Sodol retired from the game of Go entirely, stating that he no longer understood the purpose of playing, when there were entities that existed in the world that could no longer be beaten. 8. For those of you looking to start playing go, there are multiple alternatives to AlphaGo now, the most popular/strongest probably being KataGo, but because AI plays so differently than humans, it is strongly suggested that you start out playing other humans first, not AI.
@ClayinAround
@ClayinAround 7 місяців тому
3) AlphaGo was trained on amateur games from online servers, so afaik it had never seen any of Lee Sedol's games 7) Lee Sedol's retirement was after the film was released in 2017, so they didn't "leave it out." AlphaGo vs Ke Jie was also shortly before the film was released so it may not have made sense to include mention of it.
@ep103103
@ep103103 7 місяців тому
@@ClayinAround i always just assumed they included professional games in the training set. They didn't?
@ep103103
@ep103103 7 місяців тому
@@ClayinAround i updated the parent comment with your input
@ClayinAround
@ClayinAround 7 місяців тому
@@ep103103 They say explicitly in the post-match press conference for game 4 that it was only trained on amateur games ukposts.info/have/v-deo/sXNygK-IiYRkyas.html
@paperprincess1050
@paperprincess1050 5 місяців тому
After reading your comments this doco is too sad for me to watch
@catdaddydonbrewer007
@catdaddydonbrewer007 Рік тому
“Lee Sedol is very patient, He waits and waits and waits his moment, I feel I see something look like the wolf waits in the forest, in the winter, he’s cold feels very very cold, but he needs patience, but then when moment coming he go out and he attack.” -Fan Hui (speaking about “God Move” made by Lee Sedol in game 4) ABSOLUTE CHILLS!! Fantastic quote and the perfect description of the young man I think we all became fans of!
@adamkg2
@adamkg2 11 місяців тому
1:06:20 for those looking for the quote
@kevinarmes9804
@kevinarmes9804 3 роки тому
The most interesting thing to me is that I was captivated by watching Lee Sedol, his reactions, thoughts, comments... the most enthralling part of this AI documentary was the human aspect.
@garystorey
@garystorey 2 роки тому
I agree, I found some of the human emotional reactions to artificial intelligence far more interesting.
@curiously-cinnamon
@curiously-cinnamon 2 роки тому
I guess it's because the AI can't express itself, we look to other humans who understand its actions to have a secon-hand experience of their emotions
@StickJockeyFPV
@StickJockeyFPV 2 роки тому
I was captivated by the code and the charts. I've seen human emotions all my life.
@SmartK8
@SmartK8 2 роки тому
I like after the first Lee Sedol's move, the AlphaGo took time as if to judge Lee's whole life. "Who have we here? Were you naughty or good?"
@Curiousever
@Curiousever 2 роки тому
I agree.
@mightydawnweb
@mightydawnweb 2 місяці тому
I just keep crying watching this. I was on the edge of my seat the whole time! I know they play the music that gets you emotional but it's not just that. The emotions of all the people involved was palpable. This is their life and it matters so much to them. I first cried when I saw the first player, the European champ, lose and take a walk outside to process what had just happened. I felt that. He handled the loss like a champ! And all the programmers have given so much to this. And all the people who love the game around the world, finally get their moment to witness a great breakthrough. And to see the Korean culture brought together by this intellectual game was awesome! But, finally, knowing what's at stake here is beyond what mankind has ever faced before, I feel the emotional gravity of it. I'm 55 years old and this idea of AI, especially in my lifetime, was barely even written about in our science fictions books I read growing up. For it to be happening now is almost unfathomable. I personally believe humans have a divine intuition so if this is truly just a program, then we can beat it. But if God enters into the realm of AI, becomes the force of AI, then it could also be the most wonderful thing to ever happen to humanity, life on Earth and beyond. It's not something to take lightly at all.
@Letishamalakootiofficial
@Letishamalakootiofficial Місяць тому
Hey, thank you for sharing, and yes it is our intuition that makes us human, but unfortunately we don’t know what capabilities artificial intelligence also has? Don’t they also have consciousness but in a different way? I’m not sure at all.
@pratikdagu
@pratikdagu 6 місяців тому
I have cried only once all my life,while watching intersteller!! But when he said ' once is enough' thats when i broke!!! Outstanding documentry or rather i say journey!!🙌🏼🙌🏼
@ahnmichael1484
@ahnmichael1484 3 роки тому
I have never seen such a deeply moving intersection between technology, spirituality, and art - there is something I cannot yet describe in this film, and I am thankful for it.
@lunazhang6010
@lunazhang6010 3 роки тому
Well said.
@decruzyserao6994
@decruzyserao6994 3 роки тому
Beautifully said!! I know exactly what you mean, although I cannot express it adequately
@shizlutukai7222
@shizlutukai7222 3 роки тому
Enough reason for me to now watch it. Thank you
@starparik
@starparik 3 роки тому
I feel you now
@topdog5252
@topdog5252 3 роки тому
i had the same feeling.
@mccooltrades
@mccooltrades 2 роки тому
Lee Sedol deserves the utmost respect here, not only for his humility and candor, but his amazing skill and creativity as well. Something many will not know or consider, is that by the time of deep blue and kasparov (an age before these games in technological development) there had already been a long history of chess programs and computers. This meant that by the time kasparov played his games, there was a substantial understanding of how computers approached the game of chess. This lead to what was termed "anti-computer chess", a style of playing that took advantage of how a program interprets a game. Kasparov had time to master this style, as well as a meta style to play a computer that was aware of "anti-computer chess" (aka an anti-anti-anti computer chess). Lee sedong had nothing comparable to guide him. With the weight of the world and his pride on his shoulders, he was tasked with innovating his own "anti-computer Go" within only a handful of games against a machine far superior to deep blue. Though he lost the match, his win is something that should go down as legendary. Because he is a legend.
@juliancox3229
@juliancox3229 2 роки тому
Truth. Reading the opponent is a huge chunk of information Lee Sedol had but three attempts to learn to play without. The five games here: Hubris, aggression, reversion, learning, ambivalence. Plus Kasparov is a dick. This guy is human.
@billy-cg1qq
@billy-cg1qq 2 роки тому
I can't agree more. Winning against alphaGo in 2018 where technology is the dominant thing, with all the algorithm developed over the years by smart people, and the calculating power, need a lot of respect and only after 3 games. Who knows if they played more. Lee sedol is literally the greatest of all time
@dylanruiz3752
@dylanruiz3752 2 роки тому
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@termikesmike
@termikesmike 2 роки тому
Indeed, AlphaGo knows what 'every master will do' and Lee has no idea what response level he will confront ....geez, give him 50 games - let him see how A has actually played ....
@geraldohio7338
@geraldohio7338 2 роки тому
Stephen b3 elezb6th
@photons30
@photons30 Рік тому
I couldn't help but become emotional when he won. AlphaGo's victory meant nothing to me. I wanted humans to win, even if it was a human-programmed machine. The documentary was lovely
@capnrob97
@capnrob97 6 місяців тому
And the current version of AlphaGo crushes the version in this movie.
@paulgibby6932
@paulgibby6932 3 роки тому
Fan Hui is the hero of this film -- his empathy, understanding of the game, and the psychology and humanity of the game.
@mabantafranco
@mabantafranco 3 роки тому
Awesome comment
@rdfdfgh200
@rdfdfgh200 3 роки тому
This is how humanity will lose to machines
@liquidbrainstorm
@liquidbrainstorm 3 роки тому
He beat alpha go twice too
@viewyrabbit5098
@viewyrabbit5098 3 роки тому
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@user-tz9gq9nt7u
@user-tz9gq9nt7u 3 роки тому
@@liquidbrainstorm That's because AlphaGo was still in development when it play game with Fan Hui.
@propernoob
@propernoob 2 роки тому
Honestly, I have deep respect for Fan Hui, he was such a good sport when he lost to Alpha-Go and he wanted to help DeepMind in finding weaknesses.
@johntyrrell1549
@johntyrrell1549 Рік тому
I thought he said "Since I lost I'm going to make sure everyone loses to AlphaGo"
@goregore99
@goregore99 Рік тому
This will be a lengendary footage in the Human&AI History in the future. Awesome footage, thanks for making.
@YaoYu826
@YaoYu826 Місяць тому
Fan Hui's commentary all throughout the documentary gave it a special and invoking kind of feel that you could only feel from a person who was deeply moved by this whole experience. Thank you!
@darkmatters3821
@darkmatters3821 3 роки тому
"I'm going to do my best to protect human intelligence" What a legendary man you are Lee Sedol
@danicornea
@danicornea 3 роки тому
Very true mate....
@ypierro
@ypierro 3 роки тому
He said, a boardgame player, facing hundreds of PhDs at the forefront of mankind's science :D I feel for the guy, but he's protecting human's traditions, not intelligence. Intelligence was to build a perfect automaton to show the game now has to move on.
@richardgossic9787
@richardgossic9787 3 роки тому
Yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy⁷
@delmanpronto9374
@delmanpronto9374 3 роки тому
AI will be humanity's last child. Lee Sedol has retired.
@toitd5258
@toitd5258 3 роки тому
@@ypierro True, but intelligence wasn't the word he used in Korean. A literal translation is "I'm going to do my best to protect human's.. that sort of thing." Considering what he said just before, I'm guessing he's more talking about something like pride in intuition and feeling(as in feeling this is the right move).
@BeePan2
@BeePan2 3 роки тому
I played Go since I was 5, and now I am 27. I remember sitting in my chair 2am in the morning everyday watching the games live...Game 4 took my breath away, legit was crying full on in my room.
@user-zf8kc6mb3d
@user-zf8kc6mb3d 19 днів тому
This is the best documentary among what I have ever watched. Thanks for making such a masterpiece.
@hexagon5610
@hexagon5610 7 місяців тому
I wonder why nobody mentions this: The saddest thing is that in Nov 2019, Lee Sedol retired from professional Go, stating that AI is "an entity that cannot be defeated". From my knowledge, until now, he played very few games of Go in his spare time.
@danielyucua4213
@danielyucua4213 3 роки тому
Fan Hui has so many romantic quotes 1:02:01 "We are Go player Okay, sometimes in China, in Korea, in Japan we see go like art. We are artists, you know. We play our best for Go... I am in the room. I see Lee Sedol. He wants win. He try everything. It's just we can't. Just it's so..." 1:05:10 "When you play with Alpha Go you feel very strange. Look like you you're all the time naked. The first time you see this you don't want to see because Oh, this is me? Real me? And more and more, you need accept. Oh this is the real me. So, how? Now, how I can do?" 1:06:28 "Lee Sedol is very patient. He wait, he wait, he wait his moment. I feel something, he looks like the wolf. Wait in the forest, in the winter. He cold, he feel very, very cold. But he need patience. But the moment is coming... he goes out to attack."
@snowstrobe
@snowstrobe 3 роки тому
My fav Fan line: 'First you think it's good move, then you think it was a really good move, then you think it was a fantastic move, then you think maybe it wasn't a great move, then you think, Oh no, it was a bad move, then... oh, it was a terrible move.
@briand3029
@briand3029 3 роки тому
How do you understand any of that jibberish??
@snowstrobe
@snowstrobe 3 роки тому
@@briand3029 Better than understand comments like that.
@ChrisKsan
@ChrisKsan 3 роки тому
@@briand3029 You are overflowing with culture and good manners.
@jerbear97
@jerbear97 3 роки тому
Romaticism of the French + Mysticism of the Chinese. What did you expect lol
@bahaazytkafatima7289
@bahaazytkafatima7289 3 роки тому
Lee sedol's emotion, dedication, humble, makes this documentary very beautiful
@slowpainful
@slowpainful 3 роки тому
Yes, doesn't his humility add an extra dimension to the list of nouns, not adjectives, describing the attributes that make up his character.
@blutori
@blutori 3 роки тому
Agree.
@FlowOverStones
@FlowOverStones 3 місяці тому
Lee Sedol and Fan Hui are exceptional human beings with inspiringly resilient and humble hearts. So much respect and gratitude for them both.
@nileshsonune4142
@nileshsonune4142 29 днів тому
Watching this 3 years after the release and as an AI engineer I can assure that 1:12:05 is pure gold. Massive respect for Lee Sedol and the DeepMind team.
@ry8246
@ry8246 3 роки тому
Fan Hui's commentary and his passion for Go makes this video more beautiful.
@craigwall9536
@craigwall9536 3 роки тому
Yes.
@youtubevanced2055
@youtubevanced2055 3 роки тому
Yep. It was beautiful how he talked passionately about the game and his experience with alphago
@isshin6202
@isshin6202 3 роки тому
He is passionate, for sure. Unfortunately, comparatively speaking, not very skilled.
@seanbear69
@seanbear69 3 роки тому
I thought he was rubbish.
@antwango
@antwango 3 роки тому
@@seanbear69 dude was european champion!
@Xaminn
@Xaminn 3 роки тому
Lee's character is insane. He is incredibly humble even when the odds are stacked against him. Well played Lee.
@antoniobreaux1584
@antoniobreaux1584 3 роки тому
Riddickk isn’t that the easiest to judge him?
@pedestrian_0
@pedestrian_0 3 роки тому
@Resisttheglobalists this documentary had nothing to do with his personality, what a statement..
@mahedihassan6823
@mahedihassan6823 3 роки тому
Honorable, noble man
@shortwidgets
@shortwidgets Рік тому
Wow, what an emotional roller-coaster. I actually cried a few times. This is scary yet beautiful.
@idrissjairi
@idrissjairi Рік тому
One of the greatest documentaries I have ever watched! Thank you
@yundongyeo6952
@yundongyeo6952 3 роки тому
Didn't expect to watch the whole thing when I clicked on it. One of the best documentary I've ever watched.
@eduardomattosalves4940
@eduardomattosalves4940 3 роки тому
Yes, realy good, you watch on TV when the game happen?
@yundongyeo6952
@yundongyeo6952 3 роки тому
@@eduardomattosalves4940 I didn't watch it live since I wasn't so knowledgeable of Go itself, but it was definitely a big news back then.
@artyyahe
@artyyahe 3 роки тому
@@eduardomattosalves4940 uupnuuj nip In
@eduardomattosalves4940
@eduardomattosalves4940 3 роки тому
@@artyyahe What?
@interestedlistener20peters23
@interestedlistener20peters23 3 роки тому
This is all to push is into lockdown and destroy our freedoms, get us so desperate to get back to normal that we would do anything - even take the experimental gene therapy Covid vaccine and 'test' - Mark of the Beast. Now that they have been found out, get ready for another plan - project BlueBeam has been in talks for a long time now- laser projection in the sky to stage an alien invasion / false Jesus speaking. To still scare everyone into a one world religion and one world government, what Covid plandemic failed to do!!
@MinhHNguyen
@MinhHNguyen 4 роки тому
My deep respect to Lee Sedol, he stands the example of great honour and courage.
@AGMartinez
@AGMartinez 4 роки тому
AND HE GOT DOMINATED, THEREFORE HE LOST, THERE IS NO OTHER WAY TO SEE IT. HE IS NOW ETCHED WITH BEING A LOSER, TO AN OPPONENT, FOREVER, BECAUSE IN ACTUALITY HE IS NOT A CHAMPION, FOREVER.
@Spankerdig1
@Spankerdig1 4 роки тому
courage?
@calcramer
@calcramer 4 роки тому
Agreed. Mad respect for this champion. Losing to a supercomputer takes nothing away from his mastery.
@michaelturner9673
@michaelturner9673 3 роки тому
He did display honor and sportsmanship. How you act when you lose matters too.
@chessandmathguy
@chessandmathguy 3 роки тому
@@AGMartinez he won, actually.
@vinayak_1645
@vinayak_1645 Місяць тому
Didn't expected ., it got me in tears 🥹... That win felt like win for humans.... What a documentary 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼
@siddarth_jain
@siddarth_jain Рік тому
Never thought that i would be to excited to see winning Lee Sedoul win the single game after losing by 3-0. Greatly amazing work by Alpha Go
@DavidPeterJW
@DavidPeterJW 3 роки тому
Lee Sedol will go down in the history as the only Human to have ever defeated AlphaGo in Go Game.
@alainportant6412
@alainportant6412 3 роки тому
an old 2016 version
@aidanwalter2823
@aidanwalter2823 3 роки тому
Alain Portant Any version will always be an old version eventually.
@joeblack1126
@joeblack1126 3 роки тому
That's good enough for me because he's not playing one being he's playing against the growing mind off billions & billions of people, Lee Sedol played for a few hours the deep mind had been playing for almost 2 million years even then it lost once, Humans rule OK.
@alainportant6412
@alainportant6412 3 роки тому
@@aidanwalter2823 What's that supposed to mean ? You fking drug addict ?
@aidanwalter2823
@aidanwalter2823 3 роки тому
Alain Portant It means that even if someone beat the current version of DeepMind today, in a couple years you could say, “But that was an old 2020 version.”
@lmnefg121
@lmnefg121 2 роки тому
One year later when I watch this documentary again, I still love it. In the last year, I have taken classes of deep learning and reinforcement learning, and start understanding the working principle of Alpha Go. I am actually just offered with a position of machine learning engineer. This documentary has literally changed my career path
@benvella1728
@benvella1728 2 роки тому
Applying those deep learning principles to yourself. Best of luck man!
@BrandanLee
@BrandanLee 2 роки тому
Next step is to teach StarCraft AI to party wipe humanity in all 3 races on every map.
@tonglu3699
@tonglu3699 2 роки тому
Congrats dude! I got into deep learning for similar reasons. My coworker used to think that I was smart. Now they are convinced that I practice the dark arts. I don't mind, because I'm getting a raise.
@r6mt09
@r6mt09 2 роки тому
your move 78 bro
@yasaine7896
@yasaine7896 2 роки тому
this is so inspiring, what classes did you take? is it online?
@aa-mb6rs
@aa-mb6rs Рік тому
I remember the day I found out Lee Sedol won that one match. I was about thirteen, I think, at a shop with my family eating strawberry icecream. The couple sitting diagonal to us startled me with a shout. "What is it?" I remember another man asking. "Won! (이겼어!)" said the young woman. The Korean language has a tendency to drop the subject of a sentence, but we all knew who had won.
@midori58
@midori58 5 місяців тому
I love 52:13 and 1:21:00, as these moments tell us a lot about creativity and intelligence, and how the two are no different. Lee Sedol thought that AlphaGo was simply a probability calculation machine, and the thing is, he is right. AlphaGo does somewhat operate in that way. Yet despite this, so much creativity can still be produced from such machines.
@samurai34fix89
@samurai34fix89 Рік тому
There is just something so humble about Lee Sadol, the way he speaks and his tone, his posture and his acceptance to his own loss. You feel for him, and in this story you want him to win the fifth game, to end on the terms of a victory. But he accepts it for what it is, and in this experience he gains new lessonsz
@dontbedummy8101
@dontbedummy8101 5 місяців тому
Also, for reference, Lee Sedol was never known as a humble guy in the Go world. He was the flagship character in taking down the domination of Lee Chang-ho in the Go world (who at the time dominated almost every go player in every country, every one has poor winning percentage against Lee Chang-ho). At the time of Lee Sedol's rise Lee Sedol and Lee Chang-ho were called the 2-Lee's from Korea. Hikaru no Go's character Yongha Ko was thought to be depicted after Lee Sedol and Ko was not a humble character. Rumor said this pissed off Korean Go Association which led to Hikaru no Go's hasty ending.
@MrJtl73
@MrJtl73 3 роки тому
Sign of a really well-done documentary: someone like me, who can't play go and can only play chess at the most basic level, and who could never understand the scientific and mathematical background to the program, watches it straight through without getting bored for a second.
@lucasgmsilveira
@lucasgmsilveira 3 роки тому
You've got board.
@abdullahiabdulrahim9213
@abdullahiabdulrahim9213 3 роки тому
Same here
@MrOopsidaisy
@MrOopsidaisy 3 роки тому
Me too.
@lazy-rich
@lazy-rich 3 роки тому
I did the same, it's almost 2am now 😌
@willylo4090
@willylo4090 3 роки тому
Me too ..and something is strab
@ProductivityandBioinform-mp6we
@ProductivityandBioinform-mp6we 5 місяців тому
It's been 3 years. Goods to be back watching this again.
@alexchan7654
@alexchan7654 5 днів тому
Respect to Fan Hui and Lee Sedol, its admirable to have faced a soul crushing loss and still held it together
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