Rip, Linus lost his puberty.

I heard Linus was worried that the beard's weight dragged his head down by a couple of .01 inches, and at his size every little bit counts.

New CEO said beards are unprofessional.

too late

aaaaand it's gone

They already have on the server side. They beat NVIDIA with the MI300X. Just look at a video on it. Also, Zen 6 look like the generation with huge leaps on the fusion front.

yeah his beard is like harry potter's hair

The video was filmed before that lmao 🤣

They have edit these. Plus they put them out at slower pace so the staff has time since... the incidence.

Clearly ai

Remember that the video was probably recorded over a week ago

and in this igpu you can enable ray tracing

We got the OG derpy Linus back yay!

AMD has been doing this for like all of their entry level stuff, it's terrible. 6400 only has x4 lanes which makes it terrible for older systems

Well this is the same chip that going to laptop, only packaged as desktop. PCIE 5.0 should be next gen also so prob not.

@@maou5025 the chip doesn't support PCIE 5.0

As its still very fast PCIe not PCie 2 or 3 I don't think its actually going to be too bad - the motherboard can (and probably does) have a PCIe switch built in that will let you still get some really high performance from many devices - as almost everything PCIe device wise a normal end user buying this sort of CPU might want isn't going to saturate even 2 lanes of PCie 4. I do agree more would have been very nice, though for me more important is the NUMA stuff going on in the CPU - small form factor with potent onboard graphics and PCIe options sounds like a dream for many virtualisation and homelab type enthusiast, and at a low TDP too - though I'd love to have seen the labs provide power draw under that gaming load...

@@foldionepapyrus3441no, motherboards don’t have it. PCIe switches are expensive and hardly used in motherboards. PCIe Lane allocation is mostly static, even on the 8700G two M.2 Slots will not work on most AM5 boards

CS or C:S?

And you will put settings at least to medium up to ultra while if you use 8700g it will be at low. Right now in my country the price of new 8700g is around the same as new 5600 + rx 6600 which I use and run bg3 80 fps ultra settings.

Agreed

Exactly what I thought. Part of the v-cache could be used as "infinity cache" by the graphics cores. And TDP - up to 150 W I'm fine - let the GPU work well. Also why the GPU cores should consume PCI-E lanes ? Let them connect internally via infinity fabric or how they call it.

Yes It seems echoey

yeah! I'm feeling the same@@Aquaboom123

yeah, probably a backup microphone on the camera or something

@@DrWurzeli if anything, it's probably a noise or echo removal tool that did it.

PC the size of the PS4 at price of a PS5. Even with $229 8600G, you would still need a case, power supply, mobo, ram, and storage. In two years this will make a great ebay buy, but not right now.

These Ryzen APUs are in Nvidia 1050 territory and climbing.

Man.. Grow up. It's not like it's even such a big issue for this specific SKU

@@PhyrexJman grow up, he has his preference and needs. If it does not meet his requirements its useless to him.

Yeah thats a killer for me, i dont mind not having the latest PCIE. my GPU is a x16 4.0 card, so 5.0 isnt really a big deal. I was looking at these chips since im a bit of a heat and noise freak. im currently using a 5700g for its low power draw, but i really need lanes for my drives, since im a data hoarder, who loves NVME m.2 drives

This is pretty par for the course for AMD apus. Last gen(5700g) was also 1 generation of pci-e behind.

​@@justanobody4983if he needed performance with the need for extra lanes for a beefy gfx he wouldn't be shopping in this price bracket

My immediate thought was: media PCs. Super small, behind the living room TV. Put a slim Linux distro on there with some emulators and it would be perfect to run older console games from the couch. And maybe make a dent in the older Steam titles I always keep meaning to get to xD

yeah i think something happened while processing on UKposts. just feels way off their usual videos

I heard it

There is echo cancaltion going on or some other denoising thing. Its very bad sounding whatever they decided to do.

Yeah there is certainly echo throughout the entire video. You might not notice it on speakers but on headphones I can hear it every time he speaks .

and i thought something was wrong with my speakers.

Yes, that was before the FM2 series and onward. AMD brought ATI just so they could produce APUs like Adreno for mobile platforms and the FM2 and now Ryzen APUs. These APUs will eventually become the standard and thanks to the mining tards all of these years the APUs have been better developed as people sought cheaper options.

Also with smaller die processeses, there was room to move the gpu onto the cpu. Br8nging them closer improves speed and power efficiency.

Deer in the headlights with deadair

that, but also with these already hitting 1080p low, and how big of a performance bump zen 5 is supposed to be, next gen will probably hit 1080p medium for most games, then zen 6 possibly being on the AM 5 socket still will likely hit 1080p high/1440 low, so you have an upgrade path even without a dedicated gpu. get a tiny case and youve got an upgradable gaming pc your kid can throw in their bag and game with friends after school, a barely noticeable media/steamlink machine for your living room, a functional gaming machine that can be chucked in a suitcase for travel gaming on trips, etc.

Its all cool and dandy, till you see some benchmarks. i3 CPU with even store bought cheapo GPU eats those APU for breakfast for gaming. Saw results from 2 to as much as 3 times the FPS depending how "cheap" the GPU is. In my region the 8700G costs so much that 12100F+RX6600 both new cost like 50+ USD less, and RX7600 50- USD more. Sure 4C/8T i3 loses in productivity benchmarks, but those APUs are low cache low PCIe lanes to the point they actually are a hindrance for a proper GPU. And if my region prices are to be used, you could just change the i3 to some other "entry" level CPUs like 5600X that beat 8700G as a dGPU "driver". As such apart from LTT basically any other review I saw recommends a setup of a cheaper CPU+dGPU. The only use cases for those APUs its seems to be a extra small form factor builds, or if you care for power consumption a lot as CPU+dGPU alternatives probably eat more power as a whole platform than those APU would, but then that only matters if you assume you will never get a dGPU for the APU as with dGPU the comparison kinda gets moot. The only proper APU I see useful are the future ones that will have to like 40 CUs instead of barely 12, but they are also supposed to have 4+ channels for memory not just 2 like 5x00G/8x00Gs, cause the memory is the biggest bottle neck for iGPUs. Part I kinda don't see us getting a cheap specialized mobos to utilize those APUs in desktop format. Maybe in Threadripper line, but those aren't cheap. I personally was really interested in them (aka 8x00G APUs), as a sorta replacement for my old computer to save on power, but seeing double to even close to triple FPS on a i3+ new cheapo dGPU kinda insta cured me from that idea.

@Eversor86 all these fuckers in the comments going "just buy a bunch of outdated hardware for the same price, sure it'll be bigger, heavier, and eat more power, but FPS GO BRRRRRR". LOL, the point of these APUs is for people who don't need, or likely will never buy a dGPU, either for power, budget, space, or any number of other reasons. These chips and the ones that will come after are a boon to budget gamers that want decent AAA performance, good to great Indie performance, upgradability on a not dead platform, and the portability to unplug 2 cables and chuck it in a bag for hotel/travel gaming. Why people can't see that "just buying last gens lowest end hardware" isn't the point of these, is fucking beyond me, it's exceptionally easy to see what the intended use case is, if I wanted mid-high gaming performance I wouldn't even look at an APU, performance roughly a little better than an ROG Ally in games while still having plenty of power to do general tasks and a modern chipset for faster steam link use so I can game in my living room without hearing the jet that runs my games? Sign me the fuck up.

@@StretchDattass Yeah, part at that point if you already have a PC to use steam link with, you are probably better getting consoles like the one you mentioned. Also you exaggerate a bit with the need for cooling for an older CPU+dGPU alternative. And I agree with you about small factor without ever getting dGPU use cases for those APUs. Just added that I looked for an upgrade for me, to get a low power CPU that would let me keep my old as fuck GPU performance. Just the price of those APUs plus how not so good they are as a "driver" for dGPU that I could buy in future kinda stopped that idea for me.

@Eversor86 I never mentioned consoles, unless you're referring to the 8700G system as a console, which it very much isnt. I also never mentioned cooling, what I mentioned was power consumption, space, noise, etc, all of which are valid points because regardless of what dGPU you put in it a CPU+GPU combo will be. Igger,heavier, amd suck more power than a 65 watt APU. Also, if you're looking for an upgrade path that let's you keep your old gpu, the 8700G will be fine for the vast majority of older GPUs, it will drive a dGPU just fine, way better than a 12100f will with half the cores, and you'll be able to upgrade to a better APU in a year when Strix Point (zen 5 APUs) comes out and gives you 1080p mid-high gaming without the dGPU, then possibility an EVEN BETTER APU a year after that that'll probably hit 1080p high-1440p low. Zen 5 APUs are targeted 3060 performance for the Halo SKU, zen 6 will be a 15-30% uplift, then by zen 7 or 8 well have like 3080-3090 performance on these fucking things. Budget APU gaming machines are a genuine possibility now, especially if we actually get zen 5s Halo APU SKU as a socketable chip.

Fair enough, but you'd have to buy a new motherboard to upgrade the cpu so I think it isn't entirely unreasonable

My point exactly. You have so many better options out there. I'd say AMD failed with this one pretty hard marketing it as an 'entry point' at 229$. You can get better CPU + dedicated GPU deals than this APU alone. I mean, it could be a great option at 80$, maybe 100$. But 229$? That's stretching it a bit too far.

@@Al3cr0zAr10 Well, you can buy an entire laptop for 300$~ with Ryzen 5 5500U/Vega 7 or similar spec laptop with Intel APU with Iris Xe for 350$~. Sure, Vega 7 isn't that good anymore, but Iris Xe is decent even today. And for NUCs (or NUC-type PC), you'd still have to buy RAM and storage. Besides, why would anyone other than businesses want buy a NUC? Then again, those bussinesses mostly run some specific yet very basic office / administrative applications. They won't need this much power. What's more, most of the bussinesses I've seen are running pretty old Xeons / Athlons / Phenoms bought from aliexpress with mobo integrated GPUS that are cheap as f***. Like, the entire PC would cost no more than 40-50$ and they are still reluctant to upgrade because 'if it ain't broke don't fix it'. Again, what's the point of this APU at this insane price point? That's a genuine question.

Well you can upgrade to a CPU of the same generation.​@@skycubix8943

@@skycubix8943 Nope, he could buy 13400F, 13600KF etc ... if he wants to upgrade CPU.

@@tabeebrahman4843 You're tripping. AI isn't anywhere near that good yet. They're just using a different camera and mic setup, perhaps due to technical problems.

A touch of echo?

​​@@perfecttoast19"Trippin"? 1993 what's their slang back 😂

If by any chance you're using the mobile UKposts app, there's a settings option that makes the audio on a single level across the length of the video, I guess that might result in a processed sound.

@@diaabouras Yeah, sounds fine here. Tad of an echo in their room, but totally acceptable.

sound pretty bad to me as well, like the room was not treated at all, and heavy noise reduction was applied.

@@diaabouras Was not using mobile. Sounds like they were trying to compensate a bad set for sound so they applied noise reduction in post.

Sounds fine on my end it’s got to be some form of setting

everyone who has played more than a 1 pc game can guess the fps..

Anything below let's say 90 FPS is quite easy to guess, especially below 50.

@@QuickThrills1337 No way you can tell the difference between 100 fps and 120

@@QuickThrills1337that’s cap. Yeah I can tell from 100 to 60 to 30 but I’m not picking a 40 or an 80 specifically

@@nielagi5029well it depends on the game, let’s say Minecraft for example, that 20 fps difference can actually be noticeable sense you move your camera a lot, however a game like god of war and what not it’s harder to notice sense everything isent all snappy, there’s a shit ton of animations that can make it nearly impossible to notice the difference.

I got a 7800x3D and I'm still going to get a GPU.. it can emulate select Wii and PSN titles. I feel a little ripped to be perfectly honest.. but I'm going to grind through the series until the last compatible CPU is cheap along with a kit of 256 whatever speed ddr5

And you get more screen outputs for that financial broker style layout

@@garystinten9339 Great choice to be honest. It's the best bang for the buck for sure! Apparently even better than Ryzen 9 7950X3D which costs 1.5x more.

@@garystinten9339 That is hard, the AM5 platform is just way too expensive. AM4 is still a much better value.

@@Jimster481 waiting until the eol

Do you have amd noise suppression on watching NFL clips on UKposts?

Linus sounds different because he lost his beard then the production and youtube sponsors paid a imitator with surgeries, like The Beatles and Paul... Or maybe he is a reptilian.

ikr I noticed it within 2 seconds of watching the video.

@@creaper3538 It took me a while. I thought I had ambient sound activated on my earphones. Usually their audio is pretty good so I was surprised.

Yeah, the lack of PCIe lanes seems to kill the point of these chips. Maybe they are for business computers that don't need discrete graphics, idk why anyone planning to upgrade in the future would get one of these with such minimal PCIe.

@@bobbygetsbanned6049It will never matter that you're running a GPU at 8X on this CPU. Only the top tier GPUs even approach kinda sorta using all x16, and you'd need a X3D CPU to fully push them.

@@blkspade23 It's true that a lot of GPUs don't need the full 16x TODAY, but it's not even remotely close to true that you need an X3d CPU to max out a GPU at 1440p or 4k. The only time the CPU even matters is at 1080 where most games are already stupid high fps. The whole best gaming CPU war is literally one of the dumbest things to ever exist, look you got 340 FPS instead of 320! Who gives a shit??

It’s not entirely clear yet. In the past ECC being removed was the case with non-PRO APUs, but this might have changed. I’m going to test ECC with a regular 8700G, soon.

They have x8 PCIe lanes for dGPU - anything in current generation should be fine (except maybe 4090 and maybe a bit 7900XTX and 4080/4080 Super - though you will lose maybe couple percent with anything else than 4090). Future generation cards might have problem (meaning you don't get their full performance). The biggest issue is that lower SKU's have x4 connection. That will limit most current and previous gen cards. 6500XT will be fine, but anything else, might have issues. And if you put an old card that uses PCIe 3.0 - oof.

Do you mean when you can only see the Like and Share buttons? I've encountered that sometimes on my other computer, and just have to zoom out the browser to see the 3-dot button, which has the Save button. So I think it's just a bug on YT's end.

@@jonathanfung4028 That might be it actually, thanks.

In a sense, yes. You might see them as "slots" on your motherboard where the GPU is plugged in. Better to think of them as highway, and x8 means it support only 8 lanes.

There are mini pc's with a mobile gpu in them. Iirc the best you can get is one with a 6600m (roughly like a 3060 mobile). The newest ones have the 8700g cpu basically as well.

It's still missing AV-1 support.

It's still missing AV-1 support.

65W, but you can buy GE chips that are 35W and have half the graphic cores.

bruh u should upgrade ur cpu even just a ryzen 5 3600 will give you the best 1070 gaming experience (anything over this and the gpu will start bottlenecking )

@@malik-mahdi Ow i definetly will, but atm im to broke to afford anything extra, i do agree with you though. I'm saving up for a new system and turning my 3200g into a NAS. Thanks for the tip though, apreciate it!

bruh ur not the only broke here my ambitions are waaaaay higher than what my pocket can afford i want a 700$ gaming pc while i cant even afford a case @@Hirooshii1

The 6500xt is a prime example of this: the 8gb is on par with a 5500xt 4gb gb using pcie4x4 and a complete deadweight using pcie 3

The problem with assessing the impact is the fact that PCIe bandwidth requirements can vary greatly between games and applications. Personally I wouldn't even bother with pairing a decent discrete GPU on a CPU with only 4 lanes of PCIe bandwidth because any discrete GPU worth pairing them with is likely going to run into bandwidth limitations. Even the 8 lanes can cause issues with GPUs as powerful as the RTX 3080 or better but, again, it highly depends on your games and/or applications.

The problem with assessing the impact is the fact that PCIe bandwidth requirements can vary greatly between games and applications. Personally I wouldn't even bother with pairing a decent discrete GPU on a CPU with only 4 lanes of PCIe bandwidth because any discrete GPU worth pairing them with is likely going to run into bandwidth limitations. Even the 8 lanes can cause issues with GPUs as powerful as the RTX 3080 or better but, again, it highly depends on your games and/or applications.