A nation of trauma and the victims are blamed for their inability to cope.

I'm glad to see political oppression added to Dr. Herman's classic four examples. State-involved violence is a major reason for migration and it's associated traumas.

Just went thru this myself. After 5 decades finally cut ties from my family of origins yrs of generational trauma and abuse. I left to get healthy and get my kids away from it. I know my moms childhood was traumatic as well as her mom etc, etc. I have forgiven but I will never go back. I am so glad you are covering this topic. It's destroying families, it destroyed mine. Peace

Honestly, Judith Herman’s work is heroic/foundational-allowing trauma to begin to be seen and understood. What a humble person.

Thank you for covering this. I have post traumatic stress disorder myself and I realize that many many many many people have undiagnosed posttraumatic stress disorder from living with too much discrimination. It’s time we redo education to make people loving and caring, and that involves free preschool and free college and free trade schools because we want a better society for all not because we believe corporation should work for the bottom line. Capitalism is not working for us. Well enough it’s soon as how to do rich very well, but we need more people living more lifestyles that are more like the lifestyles, rich people live, so how did rich people intend to share the wealth and get more people living more fun lives that are extremely safe and feel secure literally not like we’re bonded to death slavery

I'm going through my own journey. Spent 20 years depressed, but I've evolved. I'm just angry now. Uncontrollably angry. It's new and I can't control myself. I end up shouting at nearly any person who slightly inconveniences me. I know it's wrong an irrational, but I've ran out of my allotment for therapy. Twice a week for two months and then I wait 10 months for more therapy. So I've decided everyone is going to be my therapist and I'll tell them, if they don't like it, vote to change the system or move to another country. The alternative to the self-blaming is the boiling of anger, which our society punishes very harshly.

Hmmm, that “one in a million” statistic regarding incest is not unrelated to Freud’s “gee, guess all those women were just fantasizing about their daddies.” His retraction basically shut down research into childhood trauma for almost 80 years, and when a psychoanalyst such as Ferenczi WAS brave enough to say, “no, actually, little girls ARE being raped,” it was Freud’s fanboys who publicly branded him “mentally ill” and ruined his career. In other words, as profoundly grateful as I am for Dr. Herman’s work, I’m not buying the “poor Freud just didn’t have the support he needed” line. The damage he did was incalculable.

Thank you so much for this. I want to add that the connection between trauma and addiction cannot be over emphasized though the recognition and treatment of the former is rare which IMO explains much of the poor outcomes in the treatment of the latter.

Both a fascinating and disturbing interview. Kudos - it can't have been easy. On a meta level it is deeply troubling that induced trauma is used to perpetuate hierarchical structures over the generations. Where I live in western Europe some of the medieval social structures largely survived in small towns with a (literally castle dwelling) upper class engaging in abuses and a peasant population meekly accepting the injustices just to maintain the status quo. Few people break free from this conspiracy of silence in these close knit communities. Those who do - especially the upper class - are shunned from society and their stories dismissed as mere fantasies. As a result those who remain are even more likely to perpetuate the perfect circle of trauma and domination. And so nothing has really changed over the centuries. So how do you break free from generational trauma as an individual, or as a community? Love ought to be the answer, but is it enough?

So glad that we are finally healing trauma and PTSD. It took hundreds of years to actually discover that you can change the memory and remove the traumatic experience from the memory. How great it is to heal PTSD in 6 sessions with zero relapse.

Thanks so much to Judith Herman for her amazing and innovative work about trauma !

This is the type of work which should make crystal clear to everybody that C. Hedges is one of the greatest journalists of his time. Mrs Herman, thank you for your work, i am missing the words to express my appreciation.

I'd say alot of us were at least a little traumatized just working over the last couple years. Many of us got to see really first hand how much are employers really give a shit about us

Thank you for sub-titles. I have met many women from different economic sectors who were sexually molested by family members. The information comes out at the most unexpected times after friendship is established. Sometimes blurted out, trusting that I would hear it & let it go. With others who had integrated it, the narrative would flow more easily with still no expectation that I would respond. All that was wanted was to tell someone. Looking back, now at 73, I'm struck by how many of my friends & acquaintances had these experiences. The women's movement was invaluable for the opening of this ability for expression. However, notice how FAST it was shut down! Similar to the "teach-ins" we had about the real reasons for the Vietnam war (French colonialism, etc.). Immediately drug culture became "cool" & serious inquiry & dialog was forgotten. In the case of women's "rap groups" they were ignored by mainstream or called detrimental due to bringing up the trauma all over again. In any case, as I recall, they disappeared pretty fast. Telling the truth, in any form is frowned upon in this society. Thank you, Dr. Herman.

Thank you both for a phenomenal conversation.

The same abuse is seen with young men being abused by their mothers. It’s never discussed and focused on but it’s the unscented killer of a lot of young men in this world.

My case is a bit unique in that most abuse that I received as a child came from girls and women. I was physically attacked by my bipolar mother and I was sexually molested by girls in high school because I was shy and withdrawn. It’s sad though because I think women abuse people because of being abused themselves. My mother was raped when she was a child and those girls in school had probably been abused.

No one has addressed the Collective Trauma we as a planet just experienced since 2020

Thanks Judith, had your book since 1996. I'm still not over it, still can't forgive, still check in with my family once a week. There's just no therapy for a class of people that are always supposed to be able to protect themselves and they can't.

Good work Dr. Herman and thanks Chris for having her on

I can't even begin to estimate the irreparable damage being caused by the scale of violence being perpetrated in the world of today.

Hi Chris, you must be so proud of your son! What a story. I share your stuff a lot and that started way before I met you before you gave your remarks at Freedom Plaza during Occupy. I was lost for a while after RT closed down. So glad to to you out here. Am working on getting a storefront for Cornel West here in Richmond, VA. Thanks for all you do. ☮️

PS. It is also true that some of us who have experienced "traumatic" events are not always traumatized. Many of us are simply or not so simply very deeply disappointed, disillusioned (truth be told) in some understandably important ways, and perhaps nearly jaded. It is equally true that many of us are also people of higher consciousness and of personal faith, morality, ethics, self-compassion, self-awareness, and self-restraint, etc. We have not given up completely and will always have hope in what is possible and in ourselves and what we choose to contribute to our own lives, the greater good, and whole. Many of us also refuse to give "glassmakers who throw rocks" (so to speak) any satisfaction of controlling our personal experiences and narratives, etc. Sadly, many high control individuals and groups (and other gatekeepers of all kinds) seem to have a pathological need to control other people's lives, experiences, and healing journeys and then arrogantly and shamelessly have the gall to attempt to provide manualized solutions they can then commodify and also take total credit for.

These sick and secret clubs make traumatised men, and maybe to some extent traumatised women, even more traumatised. It seems to me that these clubs dehumanise human beings, and strip the soul from them.

I got her audiobook Trauma and Recovery. It is fantastic . I had no idea as many professionals as she cites in this book had any interest in women's (or veteran's) trauma and its horrific isolating effects, and that they had amassed such a large volume of research results. Thank you.

The lockdowns traumatized a lot of us - and brought back old trauma

Thank you, Chris, for having Dr. Judith Herman on today. As for myself, even before this came out about sexual abuse, through writings of authors and poets I have read. I gathered that I had been going on for some time. Probably centuries. Many can't get help today with heath care system but there is help there such as Victim Services if anyone has that organization in their state for women and children that have had physical and emotional abuse. Our veterans and much homelessness , our sports figures, our Olympic coaches, our colleges, our churches, not just Catholics our teachers , it affects the wealthy just as the poor al in its own unique way. We are a society that has been traumatized for sure. I have been through sexual trauma, not my family, but a man that knew my parents. I was fortunate enough to have the opportunity through a great psychiatrist to receive help years ago, and traveled the journey of spiritual growth. Anne Sexton was one of my favorite poets and her life was filled with trauma 💔 As well as others. Thank you both again for this discussion. Happy Friday!!!

Every woman I've ever asked, including my mom, reported that she had been assaulted one way or the other by a man. A fundamental ideology underlies this violence: patriarchy, where men feel (erroneously) entitled to abuse or otherwise do whatever they like with their property, especially women. The reaction of women starting with the feminist movement has only served to inflame the violence of men (and their female hangers-on), particularly incels, and that violence has now overtly extended to the next cadre of women, those being transwomen. Note, you never hear about transmen being an issue per se, it is only transwomen who have trespassed against male authority and voluntarily(!) mostly given up their male privilege.

Toxic trauma. Impossible to avoid exposure. Negitive impacts affect everyone. Everyone needs to have mitigation . stress has wide ranging negative consiquences, on your brain and immune system, all metabolic functions. Mindful, mind body exercise. From playing a musical instrument to mindful exercise. Singing, dancing, king fu, Tai Chi. Hiking. Someting for everyone. Mind body training. ✌💞🖖💪 fellow earthlings

So thankful to both JH & CH for their tireless and radical commitment to truth and grappling with reality as it is. Couldn't be more grateful to get to continue hearing from both of them & gaining profoundly from both listening to and reading their research and perspective.

Children blame themselves, for to blame their abusive parent is to implicitly reject the parent which lead to feelings of abandonment. Nothing frightens a helpless child more than the threat of abandonment. The child transfers the blame to themselves so abandonment does not have to be faced. Parental attachment even to an abusive parent is hard wired into children's survival instincts.

I think it's important to remember that in any instance of abuse, as with any instance of violence, it didn't begin with the perpetrator, and an analysis or social approach that seeks merely to shame and punish is unscientific and unproductive. A man who abuses his daughter was once an innocent boy. What happened to that boy to turn him into a man who could inflict such cruelty? I don't believe this is simply human nature. It is taught, and it is also perpetuated by what is not taught, the qualities that aren't nurtured in young boys (sensitivity, empathy, concern for the powerless to name a few). Boys are actually naturally loving and sensitive. There is a process by which they are often turned into men that are heartless and focused on their own power and satisfaction, regardless of the cost to others. In every dominance hierarchy, the dominator must first have his sensitivity and empathy suppressed through their own traumatic experiences and conditioning. Otherwise, the experience of being a dominator would be unbearable. This suppression is not chosen because they are wicked people who delight in evil, this suppression is learned by children as a coping mechanism for the cruelty and pain they're immersed in. I don't say this to excuse abuse or tolerate dominance hierarchies, but so we better understand their roots, and can work smarter to prevent and transform them moving forward.

Definitely interested in this.

Excellent program. I needed this, thanks. Will read her books.

So grateful to have seen this. Definitely wish this was longer cause I would've watched them converse for at least 2 hours of it was up to me. 🔥🙏🔥

And Harvard couldn't do anything about the abusive fraternities and sororities . . .

Extremely interesting and relevant-thank you

Thanks for covering this

Well said!

If one subscribes, as I do, to Jung’s theory concerning collective consciousness, it follows that the consequences of trauma to any individual affects (stresses) us all in some degree. Thus, the human species seems to be experiencing a zenith of sorts and the pervasive pathologies and pandemics of myriad variety can be readily understood & accounted for, including mass shootings.

Poor Judith, she seems to be a lovely woman, having lots of hot and cold episodes, during this Soooo disgusting, never changing, analysis, discussion, on the "Anathema," the "Unthinkable" as she relives the trauma of having to emerse herself in it, As no other would, not even The Great Sigmund Freud himself! Good for her, thank goodness for decent human beings, like you two here in this space, few, and far between, UNIQUE. Thankyou.

Another very poignant and visceral episode! Thank you so much!

Thanks Chris! Don't know why I didn't hear of Judith Herman before now!

I can't believe you are talking about this. I was just thinking about how we aren't able to have joy in our lives as much as we use to. Trauma has a huge impact on ALL society. The so called "Karens" are nothing but victims of trauma. 😪❤

I tried to get NAMI MN to address domestic violence as a major cause of mental illnesses but they didn't even want to think about it.

I ended up in a psychiatric hospital for the first time when I was 39 on the day of my oldest daughter's high school graduation. Divorce drama. Was like a vacation after being married to that man for so long. Anyhow, the best part of it was that I met two women who had also been sexually abused by a parent starting when they were toddlers.

He did not count circumcision as sexual trauma. He did not mention the women that beat and abuse men.

This interview could’ve easily been 2 hours

I love this man!

The worst part about this is none of it is new knowledge. The biological basis of the adverse effects of trauma and chronic stress has been understood for thirty years. Marmot, Sapolski, the ACE studies have all shown this, but governments and medical general practice ignore it. If you allow for trauma, as the cause of dysfunction particularly trauma in childhood all of of the blame we can assign to victims is washed away and we are left with having to face up to our responsibility individually and collectively as perpetrators of the suffering.

Have you ever heard the term post traumatic slave disorder? if you look at the people who are interested in black power movement still online today you can literally feel the post traumatic stress disorder in the emotions, and how they are expressed by the communities (often via awful trauma news headlines & gobs of micro aggressions over lifetimes by systematic racism and oppression those who don’t believe they can impact it, or don’t believe it exist at all) that are impacted most by things like the crime bill or ignoring poverty in America. Your intro is awesome and cover this topic much more delicately than I can do in the comments but I really really appreciate you covering less because we do need to deal with the trauma of American life and how we all were dealing with abuse, and we need to raise a society that does not abuse people whatsoever. 3:36 we’re all still existing in debt slavery. Well, a lot of us are.

Wow! This really hit home.

Incredible discussion.

Very informative discussion -- thank you, both.

Thanks CH

I pray 🙏 my children remember any abuse & speak about it

Great episode!

Maybe to be human is to be traumatized. Maybe we should be kinder to each other and have empathy. Nah, never happen. People want to just point fingers 😢

Very very fine programme. *_/Thumbs up/_* And thank you for adding subtitles.

Great topic! Gabor Mate interview is great too

Fairbairn's "moral defense" applies just not to incest trauma. Kids make that horrible bargain for all neglect and abuse from their parents.

I find it fascinating that it was easier to imagine that abused women were fantasizing about & desiring abuse than: that they were actually abused. How many were further tortured through misdiagnosis and how many false tropes have been developed about what "women really/secretly" want?!

Increase divorce and decrease in overall sexual encounters between the sexes is perhaps a form of regaining power in a very subtle way. Just a complete refusal to engage. I made the conscious decision to stop dating 3 or so years ago because I found most people were unable to respect my bodily autonomy. I say unable because there was just a complete 'unawareness' of what respect is and how to engage it.

In my experience survivors are attacked and asked defensive questions that imply they were asking for it. Sometimes being yelled at by the same people who are supposed to help. And everything is all in your head and psychosomatic. Which is why you don’t need to get the physical your insurance is being charged for. Systematic discrimination means the idea of depending on the external validation from the same people who are abusing you. The fact these biases are so prevalent based off of the black experience, the history of this country experimenting on black woman (and their citizens in general with agent orange), and according to studies 60% of doctors still think woman can (should) experience more pain. Your advice ignores this reality and how it effects your ability to get help from people who get upset when you try to file a police report but seem triggered, become physically and verbally aggressive. Even when it comes to alerting tenants about the 2nd fire in the building in 4 years. That seems more like a bias FOR the landlord. In addition to racism, sexism, and the encouragement of fighting and breaking the laws in other self-destructive manners. The GET HELP approach assumes that the trauma you’re talking about is just about childhood trauma that exists in a vacuum. And the only problem is how trauma victims communicate. I have TOO many recordings proving it isn’t. The law just doesn’t matter to the people who are supposed to uphold it. The health professionals I’ve gone to made me feel like I wasn’t a person and couldn’t talk about it even though they were asking about it. Having to explain that just because my last name is SMITH doesn’t mean I’m Irish to a therapist who refused to listen even after I brought up the whole slavery thing and how my lady name had nothing to do with my heritage is a great example. This doctor was supposed help me file for disability so I could address my problems in a safe place. That was 20 years ago. I ended up working while sick until I got sicker. Now that I stopped work 6 years ago and have been trying to focus on getting help, I’m worse off health-wise from all the “HELP” from abusive people in positions of power who have done things to me I’m going to have to deal with the rest of my life. Including knowing that like the super to my building said. “I can do whatever the F I want to you because no one gives a damn about you”. In the end, I’m still writing and I’ve started to make art to cope with the ongoing trauma while I try to focus on ways of improving my situation that DON’T include depending on the inhumane tyrants that seem to get sadistic pleasure from causing me pain. Please make sure your advice doesn’t exclude the toxic society that perpetuates these traumas. Or treats trauma like a childhood phenomenon. That’s the same techniques that’s besides to deny me help. It puts the burden on the survivor assuming that they never tried to get help or haven’t tried hard enough. It also takes it away attention from the PRESENT traumatic circumstances and the aggressor.

It’s important that we protect and improve safe spaces for both males and females, as distinct entities. We should be careful not to demonize males and male-specific spaces simply because they are male, as it seems to me that this woman is doing either consciously or unconsciously. There are many of the same abuses against boys though it is similarly and maybe even more so under-reported and it’s consequences under-appreciated.

GREAT VIDEO!

This world is not a good place, is it!

Thanks for this remarkable and generous interview-actually,it reminded me of Dr Robert Cole's long ago classic work,"Children of Crisis".Dr Coles ,is a psychiatrist whose undergrad work was done at Harvard.

This should have been a 5 part episode at least.

The old and sadly absurd number of one in a million for women survivers of incest would mean that currently in the U.S. { population about 335 million } there would only be, maybe 167 such women in America. Yet the reaction in Freud's time is still understandable, given how shocking the numbers are.

These numbers are much higher than reported.

8:00 Sorry, but I don't agree with the excuses for Freud: John Bowlby was all alone when he wrote about attachment, loss, and grief, and he had the backbone to stick to his guns when he was attacked by his colleagues without throwing his subjects under the bus, the way Freud did to women. 16:16 And I don't agree with the classical concept of the child thinking that the parents must be perfect and so the child blames herself. I didn't believe that and I didn't feel guilt or self-blame. I knew perfectly well that my parents were wrong.

If victims don't remember the perpetrator can go undetected

The SCOTUS "ayatollahs" is the best and most succinct description of the SCOTUS 'justices' that I've ever heard.

Thank you for covering this topic. All trauma is caused by abuse of power and an inability to respond properly to it, so it makes sense Chris Hedges covers it as that's what he focuses on. Trauma is normally associated with abuse of parental power or physical power, but it's just as easily caused by political or monetary power. I absolutely respect Dr Judith Herman, but I've generated a huge amount of distrust to the business model and pop psychology takeover of resolving trauma. Research shows it's secure long term safe relationships which heal trauma more than techniques, and unless you're rich, a high charging therapist who can leave you at any time will never feel secure. Neither does a therapist walking on eggshells because of many bureaucratic rules, which occurs often now. Furthermore, there are almost no barriers to who can become therapists. I knew someone on the board of certification for my area, and she admitted at least 50% graduating from a counseling program should never be therapists. Yet it's the traumatized people who don't have the radar to detect imbalanced therapists because of their trauma. Lastly, research as per Dr. Dan Brown shows that those with disorganized attachment (those abused by caregivers) are actually harmed by *focusing* on trauma healing, which is a current fad. Therapy can cause harm as well as help, and we need much more care both in terms of who is allowed to be a therapist and the structure of therapy.

Freud also had a colleague at this time who was a perpetrator of sexual abuse and this colleague talked him out of this theory.

For centuries, women's choices were to either accept a life of PTSD, stockholm syndrome and munchausens, or be ostracized, raped, imprisoned, be a forced participant in medical experimentation, or die. We did NOT have the economic capabilites that we have today, because men systemically excluded FEMALES from all of it, unless they could produce male heirs at higher classes, of course. I find it quite insulting that this work is so important, and it is only getting coverage from sources that would otherwise be termed "too scary" by those who have been keeping up with the latest mumbojumbo, and not the reality of our state. They are the ones that really need to understand where we're coming from, where we've been, and where we actually are!!! The digestion of these realities is hard work, but it comes with the ability to locate authoritarian legislation and systemic inequities within the medical industry that beget MORE authoritarian legislation, but somehow they don't seem to care that a predatory industry has only RECENTLY given any academic clout towards the struggle of being born in this...vessel for fetuses, I guess. It's wonderful news that people are starting to care about the disparities in healthcare amongst the two sexes, but I am absolutely hesitant about reffering to this as "gender affirmation." None of these things women have experienced have been due to the ephemeral and largely societal concept of gender. It is, and has been, sex-based violence at all intersections, overhwelmingly perpetrated by men, that gets extrapolated onto other marginalized groups which- in a way- symbolize a common struggle...but I'm sorry being a woman is not equal to the concept of struggling in a whale bone corset, or showing my stockings in the burlyque for a shilling so I can watch my 10 children fight over a loaf of bread. It is quite literally just simpler to use the basal phenotypic terms we all understand, universally, across all HUMAN cultures. "A woman is what a woman is," is not a definition, and it is beholden to so much more political bullshit because governments know we are the cattle, breeding potential labor forces for the machine. What men need to understand is that they see y'all as the bull, which is not a porn catagory. It's a catagory of livestock. Unfortunately, to this very day, being an educated woman feels like being a walking political totem, that's not even allowed to share an opinion unless it meets certain political criteria. These things ARE a result of a broader systemic issues that NEED to be fully resolved before change CAN happen. Thank you for shedding light on this, Chris and Judith. It's good to hear people using the word feminist again. That's where the real untapped political magic happens.

Thank you for this!! Having gone thru a custody battle with an abused boy-man...ohhh yeah. America is fked in so many ways. It is the cause of all our collective MISERY. We are vulnerable, sensitive Spiritual Beings in Amazing Bodies. FRAGILE!

You have to be careful when group dynamics include hazing. Also, protect children, honor thy children.

People abuse others often have a history of being abused themselves. Grown men, white black brown need trauma help as do women, children and veterans. There's far fewer resources available for traumatized men. Since most men don't get help processing their trauma, they perpetuate the cycle of abuse

When I served in the Soviet Army amount of abuse among soldiers was staggering and foul language was the language of the day but hardly ever it was connected to sexuality (even though the swearing words were derived from sex) and specifically its perverted ways as I can hear in US army. The whole subject of sexuality is twisted beyond the point of recovery in American culture (and there is something to be said about Germanic culture and sex in general) and all activists like this woman managed to produce as a backlash is only just another nightmare that we witness now in Western countries. However, on a bigger scale, the whole modern industrial society is sick so much that they even have no idea what does it mean to be healthy to begin with.

Please talk about Ohio (state) Civil Commitment 5150/5120 Laws and 72hr. Holds with more hospital prisons being built & weaponized.

I doubt there is an epidemic of trauma. In my view trauma is endemic to civilisation. However knowledge about the consequences of this are surfacing. The woman's movement has highlighted this- a primary source of colonisation in past generations. Also other colonial purposes which means double whammy for many women. Freeing ourselves of these is a mission, a purpose of ours and future generations.

yup trauma memory is very sensory and is hard to relate as a story like regular memory is..and pieces of it can just pop and wreack havoc. it invades the dreamscape ruining healthy sleep. all manner of things. and people dont understand so you are isolated more and treated as if you are bad, made ot feel like you are bad.

This is what is happening to me here in Ohio via hospital kidnapping and abusive use of the growing misuse of the Ohio Civil Commitment laws and yes, yes yes the trauma of ongoing wars. Wars of trauma. Ohio and America MUST unite against wars and trauma.

The Most Important thing to understand is how Victims protect and defend Abusers. it's NO different than Banks Got Bailed out People Get Sold Out! The Child is Literally ROBBED of their Health, their Energy. The Energy version of Hypo Volemic Shock, blood loss and Altered Mental Status. The Robbed child is Literally in DEBT health wise, Impaired judgement. Just like Hypothermia in advanced stages makes the person move towards COLD because they feel like they're Burning.

Can anyone tell me the name or band in the introduction ??? Thanks

Yet Again Chris Hedges, you have uncovered a RATS NEST! A CAN OF WORMS, ! A PANDORA'S BOX, ! you are a genius.

I find music that toy hes on trauma such as Same Stone by John Prine, Sunday Morning Comin Down by Kristofferson, many of Johnny Cadh and Waylon Jennings songs helpful. We dont have or i've not heard any current musicians like them.

Talk about a sick society.No wonder everyone is so damaged 😢

Have you read the Franklin Scandal?

Nicaragua is the heart of America.

That any of us think it's all right to use others for personal gain at their expense his a problem... As my past teachers have said in the past, it's getting you used to the workplace!!

Wish this would pop up for me. Algorithm bias ain’t no joke.

I wonder what people today would do if they were taken back in a time machine to a place when people had no “rights”, suffered be-headedings, or got quartered.

"Victim Blaming" it's called today

Sad little men a book by Richard Beard talks about the same issues in the UK private school system which is where the UK leaders and all the top job people are schooled

I’m one out of four, yay! USA USA!

Thank you for addressing this topic, ive noticed a lot of denial around history and a "get over it" attitude from other white people, when its clear they havent processed the trauma and violence themselves, Im reminded of a story of a British soldier before killing an Irish peasant telling him "We will NEVER forgive you for what WE did to you".

Do hazing rituals in, for example, the US military, align similarly with other militaries in other countries, or do varieties exist? Are there other male groups that parallel U.S. groups where hazing rituals, and perhaps the hierarchical abuse, are absent?