Could have just been named "/"

Coming soon: The adventures of Jedi Neithernor!

Can’t wait to watch Star War Whenwhy.

this is the dadist joke in the world

@@ArchibaldClumpy Actually, _Yeahbut_ is coming to Disney+ next year.

15 years.

Realistically, he's probably been bashing it for 25 years.

even i remember that there was jedi, sith, queen amidala, gungans (?) and i watched it like 20 years ago

​@@necrosadotor you just googled that man

@@lorenzomizushal3980 nope

He would never forget and elderly person whom he could mock

@@immjoe5979 And in doing so, he became one What a character arc!

I remember that!

@@radim279 I agree the way RLM consistently writes Mike Stoklasa as a character should be taught in Universities. Especially with how they brilliantly foreshadowed his shift from solely being the perpetrator of hatred towards the elderly, to the target of his own twisted malice.

The sad part of the prequels was that the old woman was noticeably missing from the other movies.

Im guessing he means the original

LMFAO

The delayed gratification of watching it 2 years ago or whatever made it hit way harder.

​@@buzzooie17I've been edging for so fucking long and now it's time for the goon sesh

Well, it's a good show :)

@@buzzooie17 I've been edging all this time man

RE:FRIGERATOR

@@ohboy9077 The Matrix: Re:Loaded

They fly now?

@@noaeithey fly now

@@Deagnetic Brandon carpenter!

It was very touching. Luthen's life is really hard, and I was happy to see him relish a victory.

I'm ok with the show, but he made me think that maybe a small glimpse of what the empire took away from them could've been effective. We're always told about "what they took from us" but are only shown the aftermath. Still yeah, he's forgetting about all those moments. Maarva has a lot of them :')

@@tuppot He's always had forgetful inconsistencies like this. The following 3 quotes are from the ep2 review for instance: "And I'm still not sure which one we're supposed to relate to. I would think people could relate more to Obi-Wan, cause he's basically a good guy who doesn't murder people? But at the same time he's also very distant, cause he's like a weird monk without any personality. **"What?!"** So take your pick, idiots..." & "Now technically they *are* weird space aliens - but we can't relate to their fucking weird, sterile, sexless universe. [Obi-Wan and Mace in the spacious Temple hallway] They seem as cold, and lifeless, and boring, as the computer generated world they're projected against. Simple, real, genuine moments like this: [Han, Luke and Leia hug and celebrate], have been replaced by this: [Neimoidians getting shot at] "Aaaaa-" or rather because of this:" "I guess it's got something to do with, like.. purging emotions, to avoid being tempted by the Dark Side, right? But Obi-Wan, you know, he smiles, he laughs... he gets annoyed; **"What?!"** "Well, you've lost him." he enjoys a good sarcastic quip: "Oh, this is going to be easy." Sometimes, he gets really, really pissed off: "You will be expelled from the Jedi Order!!" So.. so love leads to the Dark Side - but getting fucking pissed doesn't? "Come to your senses!" I mean the Jedis aren't supposed to be Vulcans, right? Even Vulcans took wives and had sex... So really, the only thing that made Obi-Wan different from like a normal person, was that he didn't express any interest in chicks. "I was beginning to wonder if you'd GOT my message." Lack of sex can drive men crazy you know..." Not the contradictory use of the same **"What?!"** clip in the 1st quote there. And here this is from the ep1 of course: "Rich: "He is... ... ..sssssstoic?" Gillian: "I don't remember that character." Mike, off-screen: "Ok he's Liam Neeson - with the beard." Gillian: "Ohhhhh… .. yes...." Jay: "Well he has a beard. [laughs]" Jack: "Qui-Gon Jinn, and, uh he-.. uh, he was…" Jesse: "Uhhhmmm.... let's see here, ummm… ..... ...stern?"" The very thumbnail of that video contradicts these statements, cause Quigon is shown in the splitscreen kinda smiling or something? In the woods? And the other clips from that compilation are equally contradictory - one wonders how lucid or aware Mike was while editing that? And here of course, ironically, that Padme-Anakin shot from TPM is played as a counter-example to Andor's supposed 100% gloominess, along with the "post-DS hugging laughing" which gets played in that AotC review excerpt. Situations are a bit different of course - here they're making a point about the "depressed grim tone" and kind of cite it as a positive, certainly Rich does and Mike almost and then comes around; and here it's a casual review after 1 viewing, so lapses in recollection and/or less literally absolute phrasings and statement are quite acceptable. Maybe you know they didn't **literally** mean not a single smile or moment or good mood, just relatively little of it, compared to what Mike's warm carebear heart would've preferred? While over there, it's all preachy declarative filmmaking-lectury etc. so lapses like that are much less acceptable and really just undermine their whole credibility over there - however of course IF they already allow themselves that kind of sloppiness and amnesia in their "for real analytic video essays", how much can this re:view really be excused for doing essentially the same thing, just in a more casual context? What if it's really just a common bad habit that undermines the accuracy of their reviews and film commentary? However that aside, this re:view in particular is generally pretty good and sound, not much to really complain about all in all lol

for me, it's Andor's mom smiling as she talks to Cassian about how she's been inspired to fight after hearing about the payroll heist the insane thing to me is that he can't understand why she's been inspired to action when he's the reason she wants to take action, and he can't even tell her he was involved. it's a beautiful scene

@@WreckageBrother-rd5zfI’m nowhere near qualified, but I’m diagnosing you with Autism Spectrum Disorder. Sorry you had to find out this way.

correlating to guardians of the galaxy vol 3 end scene with his grandfather talking about the lazy kid next door not mowing the lawn for his mother , knowing one of the greatest heroes in the galaxy was humble enough to do it for her yet he felt awkward that the kid just watched him do it . while eating his cereal gave such a down to earth element to the scene. And him wanting his grandfather to bitch about it .

Also directors and production. Set design was amazing

Now someone just needs to adapt KOTOR II in a similar style.

This was my takeaway, Tony Gilroy and his brother Dan Gilroy wrote for Andor and they worked on stuff like the Bourne films. Whereas for a while Disney and LucasFilms went for experimental and it did not work out.

​@@MildChunkySalsa dude nothing about Disney is experimental.

@@BlueMarsalismaaaan if only!!

Didnt they do the exact same with thier mando s1 re:view?

​@@TheBenjamanWell the scary part is that, in hindsight, they were right to do so. It could happen again.

it's like poetry.

It won't this time. The reason, I feel, is the writer and show runner have much more control over it. It only worked before because he just guessed the absolute stupidest thing they could do and they did it. Not this time....I hope ​@@halowaffle25

Somehow, hating Star Wars returned.

it also was not harmed by the empire. when we see young andor? the ship that crashes is a republic ship, not imperial

That was actually kind of a confusing scene, because it's *said* that's it's a Republic officer that's killed by the kids, but their shoulder patches are clearly CIS.

​@@Ian-ot7upits a false flag operation by the Republic, they're going to drop some poisonous gas on civilians somewhere and blaming Separatists for it thats why they were wearing Separatists uniform but Maarva and Clem knew the truth about it, thats they're actually a Republic officer. Thats why the Republic cruiser come to the planet immediately to investigate or retrieve their failed false flag operation. Because someone shoot down that ship or the ship just having malfunctioned or something else happened because we first see them burning in the sky and crash landing, we don't know what happens before that. Republic is the bad guys of the Clone Wars and the Separatists is the real good guys. And i mean the real Separatists not Count Dooku, Trade Federation, Techno Union, Banking Clan and their droids army, they're just hijacking the Separatists cause for their own agenda. The real Separatists only want to seperate from the corrupt Republic.

@@Ian-ot7upYeah that part really was confusing, as the control panels and terminals inside the starship looked distinctly Republic as well.

@@Ian-ot7up It may have been in that transition period where the republic was turning into being the empire, people would have likely still referred to it as such, especially on outer worlds. It roughly adds up with the character's age, i think.

I think he can remember movies he really likes, and can't remember a single thing about any movie that he's slightly lukewarm on, dislikes, or absolutely hates.

@@erichorvath3590 what about movies he's slightly reywarm on?

I think they play it up that they don't remember to highlight how much they don't think something is great. "Not worth remembering"

You wanna pizza roll?

⁠@@JuliusBriggs oh I get it, like Rey Skywalker!

That's one of the greatest things about *Andor,* is that they managed to make the Empire feel like an actual threat, the way an oppressive fascist army should be. We're so used to seeing plot armored main characters and cute teddy bears slaughter stormtroopers by the dozen, that it's easy to forget how terrifying these guys must be to the average civilians.

Yeah, two moments really stuck out to me; the torture, which is actually similar to an old torture method in real life, which is just horrifying. And their assault on the riot, in which they are just picking off innocent men, women and children with an accuracy that actually makes them terrifying for once.

@@lanceturley7745 "pressive fascist army should be. We're so used to seeing plot armored main characters and cute teddy bears slaughter stormtroopers by the dozen, that it's easy to forget how terrifying these guys must be to the average civilians." Can you all try to think for a few seconds before posting please? It's true the "average civilians" side was quite neglected in OT and ST (Owen&Beru aside), with some bits here and there, however they've been "scary and threatening" on plenty of occasions incl. in Rotj and Anh, alternated with sillier moments elsewhere. Here the "silly moments" are kind of embodied by employees/soldiers who're less competent or are phoning in their jobs etc., in the movies it was more of a scene/tone dependent issue. (Oh and I didn't mention the Vader/inqui scenes from Ob1 of course)

@@lanceturley7745 totally agree, the world feels bigger and more grounded, and you can feel the desperation of powerless civilians in the face of an uncaring imperial machine. Only live action star wars i've enjoyed since the trilogy

​@@WreckageBrother-rd5zfit's called diffused tension you git. None of the imperial power display in those media stick because they die in droves in open battle. Why don't YOU think before posting?

Btw didn't find Syril's low-sun housing environment boring I found it *reeeeeeaaaaally cooooool*

But, but, there wasn't any lightsabers and the Empire was actually a threat! Andor is barely even Star Wars!

@@astrospect "But, but, there wasn't any lightsabers and the Empire was actually a threat! Andor is barely even Star Wars!" Where wasn't it a threat?

@@WreckageBrother-rd5zf *insert montage of Storm Troopers consistently missing shots against people in a small hallway and behaving like they've never been trained in combat tactics before*

@@astrospect Where do you mean

loved that sketch

"SHE'S LOST THE WILL TO LIVE???"

"what are your degrees in poetry? You sorry bunch of hippies for god sake don't use the billions of dollars worth of medical equipment let's just all get on our knees and pray"

Hope Tony Gilroy goes on to make more politically charged Star Wars, if he wishes to, found Andor to be absolutely superb. (My dream being him adapting KOTOR II someday.)

Well said.

Thank you, Krebs Gorlon.

The way I saw it was that Syril is recklessly chasing the miniscule and only chance of a ticket back to the "justice & order department" of the empire, because that was/is his entire identity. He lives for nothing else and has a need to pursue order to a sick but also quite human-relatable degree. (He may have a crush on Dedra too, but that is besides the point) In any case, it is delightful when characters are this well developed and rich with nuance. It's a rarity, especially in SW.

did we simply forget the stalker parasocial relationship with Dedra? This dude ain't likable

Or about that one camera shot

@@MrRoyalOssthat camera shot is iconic

Come on did people really take him seriously when he was talking about Jedis in TPM??

@@LuisManuelLealDias As serious as anything else they've done, lol.

theres been another trilogy of movies and all these star wars spinoff shows/movies. Its too much. Everything becomes a blur

"Space turtles, hombre"

I totally just skimmed the comments to see if anyone said before I typed it. Bravo sir.

No ones ever REAAAALLY gone

lol

He survived the explosion but is hooked up to all those tubes and has burnt fingers and no iris' or pupils like Palpatine in Episode IX.

I'm still waiting on Space Cop: The Revenge.

Another point, the empire is speciest. I agree completely we need a mon calamari show or at least for them to be featured in a show like Andor

@@rutgaurxi7314 Space Cop is a cyber-character! He's not real!

I hope it comes in the form of a sitcom

Star Wars: Squid Game

Because Disney straight-up forgot it existed and left Tony alone to write it the way he wanted

Best Star Wars in decades

I'd argue it's better than the prequel trilogy too.

Andor imo is the best star wars period

The Munder-Difflin Droid Supply company would be an awesome show. Honestly anything to get us out of dramatic lightsabers, rebels, Jedis and empires would be a nice break. I would legitimately love to see a scene for scene recreation 'the office' swapped out with Star wars aesthetics and lingo.

​@BasicWorldbuilder A light saber accident in the conference room however, would be hilarious.

@@j.w.m.415 The shows equivalent of Michael gets his hands on one somehow and wackiness follows, resulting in him accidentally cutting a vending machine in half. Cut to a staff meeting with HR about how staff, even management, aren't allowed to bring contraband weapons to work. At the end of the episode it is revealed that Jymm froze D'whyts stapler in Carbonite.

Years of alcohol and disappointment can do a number on the brain

That's disconnection for you. Reviewing TRoS Mike asked something like "Does anyone care at this point?". So he clearly doesn't. Why even remember this stuff if it means nothing and goes nowhere? So your brain just tosses it out and makes more space for more important things. Like laundry and parking tickets.

Good I love how apathetic Mile is towards star wars. The original trilogy will always have a place in my heart but like who cares at this point.

"The fuck's a jedi?" -Mike Stoklasa

I legitimately am jealous. I want to be that forgetful of the PT (and ST, for that matter). But the memes keep them alive in my head (or more accurately, undead).

Just like real life! That's why only morons _gleefully_ say, "y'know they got Capone on tax fraud, right?" (or what ever huge mobster) It's AMAZING how insanely unjust and stupid IRL is.

Oh, it's not an accident though. They're deliberately imprisoning people en-masse so they can [SPOILER] use them as slave-labour to build the Death Star.

@@ashkebora7262 The thing about Capone is that he was a serious gangster criminal. Everybody knew it. The man was responsible for quite a bit of murder. But Gangs and Mobs operate with a great deal of separation between the decision makers and the guys actually doing the deeds. The guy was committing tons of crime, it just wasn't possible at that time to connect him to any in a way our justice system could convict on. The only aspect of his operation which was sloppy enough to work, was tax evasion.

​@@Justowner This is also why RICO was created as legislation, to be able to prosecute leaders of criminal organizations that otherwise _technically_ were never proven to be doing dirty work themselves.

​@@ashkebora7262in what context do people say that "gleefully"?

Exactly. Karn doesn’t blame the system for his troubles, he blames other people underneath that oppressive system. He’s a true believer because he once had power that he enjoyed exercising. And who’s to say he won’t go through a transformation like Mike described in season 2?

Exactly the point of his character. He blames the people, and not the system, and fetishizes Deedra Meero.

Right.. I think they missed that his character is helping serve to show the bleak reality of living in the empire, as well as how folks are seemingly unable to identify, in this case, the empire as the cause of their issues. Instead they stick to what they were taught, focusing on something else (like andor) that becomes the reason for their problems.

I don't understand how syril let them down, it's the complete opposite for every people i know who watched the show.....we're all so god damn tired of sw redemption and nobody stays dead. It's much more interesting to have someone like andor but on the other side.

It's actually very personally relatable, when CCP was still enforcing the "Zero Covid" policy after the epidemic had ended and locked down tens of millions of people in their homes, there were so many of "Syril Karn"s blaming the people who actually protested and resisted, instead of the systerm who's forcing it upon everyone

He’s like Paul usul atreides in so many respects.

My spirit was broken too. F Andor.

The burden of his shining.

Foreseeing B movie plots is his gift and curse

He really had decent enough expectations of the second season, seeing no obvious ways they were gonna fuck it up, then that one Kyber-shaped puzzle piece fell into place and BOOM the single most Disney way possible at fucking up the series just appeared before him like an angry spirit. The one thing Disney simply cannot stop doing: turning everyone and everything into a Jedi or Sith (or close enough to them that they practically are). It's impossible for a Disney Star Wars adaptation to not have Force-dorks with increasingly complex light saber variants in them. Sure, it *might* not happen. The writers and directors *could* fight off studio meddling for just once. But we've seen Disney do it's foul work, the chances are high they'd do it.

That's because they filmed during Covid. A lot of excellent British actors were out of work, so they could cast them in relatively small roles

Just as the original trilogy intended

@@smileydog5941 Yeah the OT is full of Brits because it was filmed there in the main.

There's quite a few Game of Thrones alumni in the cast but you might miss them because none of them have large or particularly glamorous roles.

The Brits in general have been better about casting relatable and, for lack of a better word, "regular" looking people in their shows and films. Some American cable shows have been better at this too (Fargo, Better Call Saul, Mare of Easttown) but overall this def felt more like the OT and a British show in that regard.

I actually really appreciate that he doesn't realize the error of his ways and turn against the Empire, but buys in completely to the Empire being a force for justice and good. The show seems to want to create a realistic interpretation of a fascistic government and part of that is demonstrating how willing the average person can be to enthusiastically support that system.

I understand where they’re coming from but characters like that are an overlooked but important part of oppressive systems, you need enough little people supporting, even just passively, and believing they’ll someday get their chance to be useful and important. If there’s a perceived outlet for personal gain, there will always be somebody looking to benefit.

Something I thought was great but Mike only touched on with the point about Stormtroopers being in the background, was the show's treatment of the Empire's resources and scale. The show starts with a corporate protectorate, with security outsourced to useful idiots, and Ferrix itself is basically unoccupied. Gradually as events heat up, Imperial army troops begin to appear, the garrison is explored, and gradually more higher echelon forces are revealed until by the end you have Stormtroopers and a full on military occupation. It makes it all feel so much more real.

That was definitely the point of the story. The Sith empire has cruelty and corruption as the heart of it. Which is fine. That's built in.

The guy was basically brownshirt Javert.

Just like most Americans.

It's basically the marxist term for false class conciousness. Andor takes a lot from Marx

Yeah, and this is why I disagree with Mikes take on it.. I think it would have been corny if by the end of the season he switched sides

Yeah, I don't think his primary motivation is justice. He's attracted to order, and power.

@@BrentButler Yeah the events in the series just caused him to Double-Down. I've been in that guys shoes...eventually we all learn its an unrealistic expectation and Chaos is uncontrollable...he hasn't seen ENOUGH yet to get there. He may by the end of the series.

And knocked it out of the park.

One way out!

That was KINO.

Andy Serkis is by far the most underrated actor out there imo. Can’t really name a role he didn’t perform admirably in. Even his voicing of Snoke in the-movie-that-shall-not-be-named was top notch

his character was actual trash, an empty cliche plot device but of course fan bois cream their jeans and demand he get an oscar because its Andy Serkis

Look at the background shots of Luthen's antique store. It's filled with all kinds of fan-service easter eggs, including out-of-universe stuff like the Sankara Stones from Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom. That's how fan-service is handled well, by being small little things that fans will appreciate seeing but not being something the spot-light is shined on while jangling the keys in your face.

@@pwh1981 its also the fact that fan service isn't trying to make up for shitty writing, if you write in well fan service is just writing the story

This is how you do fan service. They are sprinkled in, not the main attraction. They're just window dressing. The mistake directors do is they keep pointing to it like member berries, they put it in the trailers as trailer bait, they put pauses in the scenes for audience applause.

I cho cho choose you

@@samsschool3639 I bent my wookie

@@AaAa-je5eo my cats breath smells like cat food

​@@samsschool3639Just because you win doesn't mean you lose.

@@Tom_Van_Zandt Hi Supernintendo Chalmers!

More frequent rewatches, probably.

Also known as: Priorities

Mirror Universe Mike knows Palpatine's first name and the crew compliment of a Star Destroyer, but can't tell you what deck engineering is on the Enterprise.

Sounds like a good life to me.

Good.

"The forest moon of Andor."

He’s going to be Obi-WAN’s brother.

​@@profbaconoh FUCK I hope you're wrong ffs

I don’t get it! That would mean that he’s already a jedi, and he’s already their favorite character, so nothing has changed.

@@voltijuice8576It changes the context of his character, and who he *might* be. If the answer is "Jedi" then that ties him down to something that's already too worn out, especially in the post Order 66 world.

​@@voltijuice8576 I think @ForwardSythesis is 100% right, but I might add that him having magical powers can also bring into question all the accomplishments he's had on the show. He would no longer be a normal guy doing these things, but someone "special".

Actually it was super easy, barely an inconvenience.

Wait isnt boba fett like in his 30’s and fit? Why did he age 30 years and put on 70lbs? Whatever.

It’s wild that he only survived because a comic writer said “Nah I wanna use him though”

@@DrViperVideos”the digestive juices of the pit” or some bullshit, no doubt. I’m sure there’s a whole book about how the things asshole works.

its like Disney executives never watched that scene in community where Patton Oswalt describes that exact event, scene-for-fucking-scene.

The big problem with Star wars today is the incompetent "bad guys". As a result the suspension of disbelief gets broken almost immediately. Ahsoka is a recent good example of this with Thrawn.

It also gives grounding to why the Empire fucks up frequently because it’s full of backstabbing careerists just trying to make their résumé’s look good. There are some comments in the ISB conference room that hit so realistically that I was shocked, mostly stuff about how some of the sectors are underreporting issues because they don’t want to get in trouble. It is almost like the people making Andor gave enough of a shit to think about what they were doing for more than 5 minutes

@@phenom568 completely agree. It is frustrating when it feels like a basic tier of storytelling competence to *show* why a significant villain would have a fearsome reputation instead of him repeatedly getting pantsed and his bare butt, back, and balls getting spanked and calmly stating “Just as I planned”

​@@phenom568There's bigger problems with that, style over substance, pandering, awful writing, don't wanna write an essay though.

​@@deanthemachine7489exactly. The legends timeline goes over this as well, even zahns new novels in Disney canon work. The thing is, Disney should never have touched that brand. Beyond all of its other major problems (pandering, shit writing, key jangling, spectacle over substance), their biggest issue now is their canon and how it constantly gets fucked over. Disney literally de canonized the EU because they said it was too contradictory, but since they've bought over the IP, Disney has CONSTANTLY been fucking up their own canon, and now with a guys and gals like Dave filoni and weinsteins assistant failing upwards more and more, they're going to just blatantly disregard their comics and novels (even zahns nu canon thrawn novels) to make their slop. Genuinely, andor deserves to sit in the legends continuity, it would have made a fine addition to the empire Era stuff there. I'd have loved to see characters like Armand Isard be involved in these stories, the potential is insane.

It will And/or won't.

@@cbook7096if not, maybe the inevitable The Batman (2022) Re:View will, haha! I’m RLM-ental for these guys!

Ha! Nice try, dad!

Nothing will

@@cbook7096only the Sith hedge their bets.

You watch Star Wars Theory? 😂😂😂😂

StarWarsTheory has become a bit of a crybaby-complaining, hack..

@@afanofpeanuts7381 I dont watch or even know of the channel, but hasnt that been the Star Wars MO for like... idk 20 years?

Star Wars theory’s got a Darth Vader toy stuck in his brain

@@dustywaynemusic6297I don't watch Star Wars Theory but I heard about his complaints of Andor through memes, I wouldn't be surprised if @ThePFD518 is in the same boat.

The series of tubes is full of approval.

Mike who?

Tbf I don't think not paying much attention to online memes is a bad thing. Social media is brain rot.

Somehow Mike forgot about Palpatine.

He's apparently senile, forgetting the basic plot points of the prequel trilogy even though he became famous from his crazy in depth Plinket videos on that topic

Wait a minute

Maybe he sliced open Jyn Erso like a Tauntaun and hid inside her corpse

@@SleepingGiant77 that's an amazing suggestion

Was that before or after he worked as a teacher "part time"?

@@SleepingGiant77 They smell even better.... on the inside?!

It was "almost a ground battle", but yeah kinda true.

iT BrOKe NeW GrOuND!

@@PseudoNym13 It's like alive horses beating someone else

thats funny

I mean, I want to agree but I also remember the seismic charges from Episode 2 causing concussive sound waves in space and I remember that Star Wars is a baby franchise for babies

Exactly, couldn't have said it better myself

Or even just a show where the dialogue wasn’t written to hit people over the head with the themes of the show. Like “this guy is so evil! Watch him be evil for three scenes in a row! Do you get it???”

I can’t already feel the thousands of handwaves in the direction of that sentiment, I’m afraid

The show does cause and effect really well.

then when you try to analyze it, the creators themselves didn't give a crap either as shown in the plinkett reviews hence the movie/story was shite.

When he genuinely gets dementia everyone is gonna point and laugh because he'd want that.

💀

Would unironically have been better

That’s basically what the comic book writer who made that escape up was thinking, I imagine.

We need the Bo & Lacc miniseries

i want it rare!

That's his character arc. We, the audience, get to see the rebirth of his childlike innocence and its inevitable and ultimate death.

I like the added detail that his hope is destroyed completely by his own mind and nothing else.

Rich Evans is the only force that can truly stop Rich Evans, much to Mike's chagrin.@@STTPMASFTNE

He makes like a change, that is called an arc

@@STTPMASFTNEyeah lol, I don’t even get why him being a Jedi would ruin him, he’s still a great character. It’s also most likely that he was the lover of a Jedi that died and that sent him down this path

I’m surprised though, I was convinced they have watched it and barely knew it existed.

Nobody remembers that show. The shills clapped like seals and cried when they saw anakin but ask them to describe ahsoka’s character or what happened, they have no clue

I felt that in my lower intestines. The fascist ones

"Luke, did I ever tell you about Ahsoka Tano? She was your father’s exotic teenage alien apprentice..." - Obi-wan Kenobi

Rich is a cyber animal, and they forgot to animate him there.

The US uses slave labour in prisons now.

Hahaha! Good explanation 😂

yeah but even in Indiana Jones the nazis ultimately got the McGuffin and only felled by God.

He's good at the cyber.

Better than modern directors embarrassing themselves using VR at least (Looking at you, Matt Reeves!).

A funny little cyber character.

There are flight logs of US presidents visiting an island which purpose was underage sex slavery.

But to us it was 'good guy planet.' Still a moustache twirling move.

To be fair, that hadn't happened yet in universe. They didn't even know they were building the Death Star in prison.

Also, remember that the stormtroopers burned Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru while they were still alive.

Killing all the Jedi was a D move to start with as well. Say what you want about their faults, they were responsible for doing a lot of good in the galaxy. They were basically the galactic 911 for any impossible or too important to fail assignments. If something important was going down, there was a good chance a Jedi would be getting involved.

He's not talking about their actions but rather how they carry themselves. These evil assholes act like real life evil assholes and not cartoonish evil assholes.

Their whole read of Syril is crazily off the mark. So very overtly an emotionally stunted fascist-fanboy twerp, the show would have sucked if he’d just turned that whole mess around by the end of one season for… reasons?

He was smart enough to find Andor when it seemed impossible. Failure isn't a sign of being a closer, failure is a part of life and only children expect to be successful 100% of the time. He didn't have practical experience but he seems talented and intelligent at least.

Yeah I was thinking the same. Also, he didn't disobey his superior and go after Andor because of his sense of justice, he was a wannabe cop obsessed with authority and being the big man (mommy issues). Basically, the ideal follower of fascism, a true believer.

@@michaelterry6576 he didn't find Andor because he was smart and deductive, he found him because Timm got jealous about his girlfriend's ex and ratted him out

@@michaelterry6576 failure isn't the part that makes him an apparent loser. She sniffed that out about him because he was so eager to be a striving toadey zealot. Which is ironic, since she's just a more polished and experienced version. Maybe minus the zealotry - we'll see in season two.

perhaps the contrapositive arc

I think it's a misinterpretation to say that Syril is after justice. What he wants is order. Personally, he is also after meaning and control. He must be part of something bigger. Including his mother is a great touch to give the audience a better insight into his psyche.

Exactly. The show parallels them by contrasting Andor’s strength of character against Syril’s total weakness of character. Syril is a weak little hanger-on who WANTS to be part of something bigger because that means he’ll earn respect. Andor wanted nothing to do with being part of something bigger but his strength of character forces his hand.

Syrill hasn’t had an arc yet. He hasn’t seen the inner workings of the empire. He hasn’t seen that “hang em” guy that hung Andor’s friend. Or the psychopathic torture guy. He hasn’t seen who his love interest really is. He’s like the embodiment of myopic justice. He believes in justice for the sake of it without really understanding that just because you work for an institution it doesn’t automatically makes you moral. It’s why his superior was able to correctly discern what happened to his security officers based on prior interactions with them. And the second to third order consequences of publicly divulging their deaths as murders. Whereas Karn doesn’t care or has little interest in who they are or were. So I think the second season is setting up this revelation to Karn, and from there we’ll see if he has a positive or negative arc. I personally believe that he’ll have a positive one, he’s shown that he’s naive but has not shown that he’s immoral. And I think he serves as a good vehicle or POV for audiences that have similar myopic interpersonal tendencies. Remember, a character arc is dependent on “the lie a character believes about themselves or the world” (you can Google that) and vital information about the lie. What the character chooses to believe or not believe, or how they utilize the truth, determines whether they have a positive or negative arc. And Karn received no vital information in season 1.

theres also a cool contrast in how syril worships this commander who he believes will light the way, while andor sees luthen more cynically. and those leaders too; one farcically loyal to the empire, and the other so rogue he has his own people killed

Based and buddahpilled

Next you’re going to say he’s thinking with meat.

-_-

Fucking cringe, I cant hit the thumbs down enough

Just a pair of andorgynous thems having a good time

They're cold and calculating, but they're also careerist strivers ... very human and compelling

They were incompetent, but in a believable, bureaucratic way, rather than just jokes

⁠@@TheCheat_1337Their incompetencies stem from their beliefs and the systems they serve creating realistic blind spots, instead of just the plot needing to happen or the tone to lighten up a bit

They were humanized very well. Those who were career opportunists and hard workers were competent and dogmatic in their beliefs. The incompetent officers are relatable because they’re just clocking to their 9 to 5 job and trying not to draw attention to themselves

I would say the boss that didn't want to investigate the deaths was very competent. He perfectly predicted what would happen if they took it seriously, and ordered steps to prevent that.

but the list is incomplete. where is ewoks? where is the crhistmas special?

This one of the reasons why I'm cautiously optimistic for The Acolyte. They built real sets and didn't use the Volume too. They also had a writers' room, which some of the other shows didn't, which really showed

Cause Andor is too smart for Nu-Disney fans. It regularly gets bashed by people who think shows like Book of Boba Fett are "amazing" and have a shelf of Funko pops sitting behind them

@@bridget7539 The Acolyte looks like they took the wrong lessons from Andor. I could be wrong, but it looks like the only thing they did differently from the bad shows was filming on some real sets. I got some pretty heavy Obi Wan writing vibes from what I saw.

Anything filmed in The Volume is unwatchable for me. It's like the uncanny valley for scenery. Like it almost hurts my eyes.

@@itsd0nk I didn't get that at all from the trailers so I guess only time will tell

George Lucas has been notified that the director of Space Cop SOMEWHAT appreciates his movies now.

"I don't think George Lucas is smart enough to right dialogue this good" Mike just couldn't keep himself from dunking on Lucas though

That was tectonic

It's important to remember where that appreciation was originally, down in the Mariana trenches, so it going up a tick didn't quite bring the appreciation sky-high, more like, still down there in the trenches technically, but not on the bottom of the pitch black ocean floor.

@Pyrokineticfire That’s just a widely held view of George’s writing. Even 4 had other writers edit his script and actors proclaiming to George, “you can write this but can’t say it.”

I like Klastosa, that's good!

Thank you for this

Klastosa & Reschi: a Star Wars Story

I think you made it more complicated than Star Wars requires. Just swapping a few letters, instead of an actual anagram, works well. Stike Moklasa Ech Rivans

Shic Revan & Kek Salomista

BEETLEJUICE!

TABLES!!!!!

@@ohboy9077 Chables?

@@kubli365 my grandpas name was Chuck hoffman! And my middle name is Chuck! They've been beetlejuiced! And beetlejoshed! THE TABLES KEEP MY HOUSE HOT!

“NUUUUUUUKIE!!!!!”

Yeah but pew pew lightsabers. God I can't stand the uber fans who don't appreciate what they've been given here.

Bro just simping hard.

Cyril is an excellent character because he shows us the psycho-sexual pathology of a regular fascist

Cyril is a fascist. It’s really not anymore complicated than that.

oedipus complex

Rimes like poetry. 😆😆😆😆

While on his way to be defeated by Obi Wan .... again Also its ok.. as no one aparently dies anymore of lightsaber stabbing

Totally in character for Luthen. Better to die than be interrogated.