433 How Transistor Testers Work and How to Use them?

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Andreas Spiess

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If you ask me which instruments I regularly use in the lab, you will hear Multimeter, Oscilloscope, Transistor, or Component Tester. And for quite some time I ask myself: How is it possible to build such a versatile component tester for less than 10 dollars? After looking at the minimal parts count of such a device, I am convinced: The inventor was a Genius. Let’s have a closer look.
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@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
I am still in my summer break. As last year I show some interesting videos from the past (as mentioned in the intro)
@doejohn8674
@doejohn8674 Рік тому
Enjoy your holidays and thank you for your very didactic videos!
@BerndFelsche
@BerndFelsche Рік тому
This video is worth the curtain call. Component identification is a hot issue with supply chains struggling and people getting dodgy parts, even through their usual, trustworthy suppliers.
@docwhogr
@docwhogr Рік тому
damn, youtube now has reruns?! :P i'm waiting for the solar panels cliffhanger to be concluded..
@paulskaar8556
@paulskaar8556 Рік тому
I hope my countrymen are treating you well and that you are not too saddle sore or too hot. Cheers from Los Angeles.
@johnwest7993
@johnwest7993 Рік тому
@@doejohn8674, a techie who is fluent in English! A rare breed. :)
@williamwatson1532
@williamwatson1532 Рік тому
I remember watching this the first time. It's a great exposition of how these testers work and very well worth repeating. I've enjoyed watching it again. Thank you, Andreas
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
You are welcome! I thought it is a good candidate for a replay during my Summer Break
@serggorod1423
@serggorod1423 Рік тому
Присоединяюсь к благодарности! Очень быстрое объяснение и при том ничего почти не упущенно. Лучше на канале, даже поставил колокольчик!
@usefulelectronics
@usefulelectronics Рік тому
It is amazing how this tester shows you the component pinout. This can save a lot of time searching for the correct component data sheet. I really like this tool and I need to have one I will order one soon. Thank you for the awesome tutorial!
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
I think such a device should be in every lab...
@BensWorkshop
@BensWorkshop Рік тому
It is an exceptionally clever design as you say. I have seen someone else cover it too. Puts me in mind of a West German valve radio that did FM stereo. Because, at the time, radios in Germany were taxed on the basis of the number of valves in them, if I recall correctly it had 3, and two diodes in the FM to audio converter. People can do awesome work when resources are limited.
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
I agree. People are most productive when they have a problem to solve.
@carelx7029
@carelx7029 Рік тому
Thanks for giving the genius the credits he deserves. It is an incredible device. On a sidenote: a charged capacitor can destroy the device. I made it a habit to discharge capacitors first. And at that price: have a spare one.
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
I agree with the capacitors. In the tube days everybody knew it because it hurt when you forgot it ;-)
@tookitogo
@tookitogo Рік тому
At the vocational training center I worked at until recently (outside of Zurich), we have various projects used for soldering and assembly practice for electronics apprentices. One project we introduced recently was the component tester with rotary encoder. We buy the boards as kits and have the apprentices build an enclosure from sheet aluminum according to a drawing designed in-house, then solder the board and install it. Very nice little project!
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
Indeed a nice project. And very useful!
@tookitogo
@tookitogo Рік тому
@@AndreasSpiess Absolutely! I use mine at home regularly, and I know the teacher’s one gets used frequently by the apprentices. :)
@GeorgeWMays
@GeorgeWMays Рік тому
An excellent video as always. Thanks a bunch. I love these testers. They are so handy for quickly checking parts. I'm sure that each of the capabilities of the tester was added incrementally until it reached the point that it could distinguish so many things. And I'm sure that along the way they had to figure out how to discriminate between similar components. The result is clearly a labor of love that we are all thankful for.
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
I agree that they did a great job particularly in recognizing the different parts...
@kurtttttttt
@kurtttttttt Рік тому
such a good video and very timely as I'm in need of this only a few weeks after you posted!
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
Perrfect!
@iantill
@iantill Рік тому
I am catching up a little with your more recent videos after following avidly as you discovered LoRa WAN and a hill of other useful tech and lab kit. Like many of the others commenting here, I also watched your original video on this and bought one of these testers on the strength of your recommendation. Of course I took it apart with near disbelief at how simple the hardware is and agree, it is the work of a genius. I agree with your findings as well - where I have access to some very accurate test kit at work, I've found these devices to be more than 'good enough' for my hobby work at home. Thank you, as always, for this content. I have always loved how rigorously you approach these subjects and the clarity with which you present them, making them both accessible to early career engineers and hobbyists, as well as interesting to seasoned engineers.
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
Thank you for your kind words! I try my best...
@MarcusPHagen
@MarcusPHagen Рік тому
I first saw this video when I was beginning to learn about electronic components. Taking your advice, I purchased a tester from Ali Ezpress. It has been extremely valuable to me, both in measuring components to verify their identity, & in obtaining correct values when it was critical for a circuit. Thanks to this & many other videos, I've gotten much more confident in both repairs & in new build projects.
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
Comments like that motivate me to continue. Thank you!
@GutsyGibbon
@GutsyGibbon Рік тому
Great video, just put in my order. Looks like a good way to learn (relearn) about understanding various components.
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
Absolutely! You will love it.
@MeinElektronikHobby
@MeinElektronikHobby Рік тому
... Danke für dieses tolle Video. Eine der besten Erklärungen, dich ich zu dem "Transistortester" gesehen habe.
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
Gern geschehen! Eine gute deutsche Erfindung.
@markwarburton8563
@markwarburton8563 Рік тому
I love my tester too. I've always wondered how it actually works. Thank you for doing such an informative video.
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
You are welcome!
@matzer8846
@matzer8846 Рік тому
Great in depth analysis! Thanks a lot for sharing 👍
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
You are welcome!
@DanielLopez-kt1xt
@DanielLopez-kt1xt Рік тому
An extreamely useful device, i got mine as a DIY kit, since i like to make kits (it's a good soldering practice, and in the end, you end up with useful tools like this one). I can't recommend it enough. Get it as your first kit, and then use it to check all your next kit part's values... also, i got mine in june 2016, and is still running on the original 9v battery without on/off switch (it's still at 8.6V).
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
You are right. The batteries live forever on these devices! And I agree that one of those should be in every lab.
@tookitogo
@tookitogo Рік тому
The reason they don’t need an on/off switch is that they have transistor-controlled soft power that effectively disconnects the battery. The button turns on the power transistor, then a MCU output and second transistor hold the power transistor on until the MCU releases it again, allowing it to fully turn off again. (A second MCU pin is used to read the button state, so that another measurement cycle can be started without waiting for it to turn off.)
@digihz_data
@digihz_data Рік тому
Great information about these tester Andreas. Thx.
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
Glad the video was useful!
@gregclare
@gregclare Рік тому
Another brilliant video! Kudos for giving the appropriate credit to the original designers, and for presenting the cleverness of these devices in an easily understandable way (that doesn’t require reading a huge technical manifesto!) 🤓
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
Glad you enjoyed it! And thank you for your kind words.
@tonysfun
@tonysfun Рік тому
Love your videos Andreas! I have several of these inexpensive "testers" and use them also all the time. I like the T7-H, it has a rechargeable battery inside and color LCD also. Thanks Andreas!
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
Indeed a good choice. Also because of the case.
@zyghom
@zyghom Рік тому
my first analogue multimeter had a socket (4 pins) for testing transistors (there was a time, when high frequency transistors had 4 pins - 1 was for chassis) - that was incredible - it was showing the gain factor (beta if I am not mistaken) - I am talking 35 years ago or so. Today the tester costs 1 coffee (at least in UK) and tests almost everything - eh, that is a progress sir! ;-) OK, sometimes tester is lost but still - for 5$? genius as you said (including the display, box etc)
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
Indeed, things moved fast since I was young. Today, it is a wonderful (electronics) world!
@nosafetyswitch9378
@nosafetyswitch9378 Рік тому
Great video! I have the yellow version that came in an acrylic laser cut housing. I was really annoyed with the 9 volt battery because it wouldn't last very long and i always prefer to have rechargeable devices so i used a liion cell from an old Samsung device and a boost converter, a fuse for the cell and a toggle switch and it all works great now. Somehow managed to fit everything in the housing too. Amazing devices!
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
Interesting. My 9 volt battery lasts years. I do not remember when I changed it.
@tookitogo
@tookitogo Рік тому
Weird. I also have the yellow board version and the battery lasts forever. It has a proper latching power circuit that allows the MCU to disconnect the battery when off, so the standby power is essentially nothing.
@garyseaman6105
@garyseaman6105 Рік тому
Thank you for an informative video. He is a genius. I've recently got one of these, they are excellent if you're new to electronics like myself. Can check if you are reading your resistor values correctly. Very handy.
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
I agree. Mine is used nearly every day...
@elshiftos
@elshiftos Рік тому
'No, Unknow, or damage....' 😁 The 2nd iteration I purchased drew approx 100uA in standby, thus draining a PP3 in a matter of months. My solution was to mod it to run off an 18650 with a charge circuit, plus a switch to disconnect it when not in use. I also bring the 3 test points out on short croc leads for added flexibility. Thanks for the interesting video!
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
Good idea! I added a switch to one of my devices
@andymouse
@andymouse Рік тому
The guy's, Markus et al are legends...cheers.
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
:-)
@awesomefacepalm
@awesomefacepalm Рік тому
What a funny timing. Yesterday night. I was thinking about how a transistor tester works, and now you upload a video about that exact thing
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
Perfect!
@Phettsack
@Phettsack Рік тому
I love my universal tester, transistors, diods, resistors. Whatever, feed it in the tester and you know what it is! Magic!
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
:-)
@artherfocksake1312
@artherfocksake1312 Рік тому
Thank you so much. Order already in. Thanks again.
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
Hope you will like it!
@annaoaulinovna
@annaoaulinovna Рік тому
great video topic. thank you so much! i need some details for crt oscilloscopes and transistor curve tracers and VI curve tracers andd fault detectors. your sound card scope video was so good.
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
I left a link to the curve tracer and Google finds many links to similar projects...
@SomeGuyInSandy
@SomeGuyInSandy Рік тому
Cool video! I have one of this type of tester and wondered how it actually worked. Thanks :)
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
Now you should know ;-)
@superblondmale
@superblondmale Рік тому
much thanks for this very interesting & informative video! I always wonder if somebody had already adapted this techniques on the esp32 with better (external) perhaps 16bit dac-component. This would give us lot of possible enhancements.
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
I never saw it. However, the ADC in the ESP32 is not very good ;-)
@ekenpad8482
@ekenpad8482 Рік тому
There is a master thread on the eevblog forum where you can follow the updates to the original firmware and learn how to update your clone device with the original better software and install more accurate voltage regulators and precision resistors to improve its accuracy. I can't post the link for some reason, but it's easy to find as it's a multi hundred page thread.
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
Thank you for the tip! Comments with links are deleted on UKposts :-(
@sanjikaneki6226
@sanjikaneki6226 Рік тому
i sw that too but there are so many versions atm
@N1gel
@N1gel Рік тому
Great explaination.
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
Thank you!
@AjinkyaMahajan
@AjinkyaMahajan Рік тому
Wonderful explanation Andreas. Based you your explanation, I will dry to make a cheap curve tracer with custom ADC, programmable voltage, current supply a microcontroller for USB interface perhaps a PSoC. I think there is a way to make a lock-in amplifier and 4-point resistance measurement with micros too. Cheers ✨✨✨✨
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
That is a very interesting project!
@tenlittleindians
@tenlittleindians Рік тому
I bought one years ago and printed a case for it. These seem magical when you first use them. It never dawned on me they were built around an Arduino chip. I have not checked lately but it wouldn't surprise me if the software has evolved enough to now test and identify most modern chips that will plug into the test socket. Where they really shine is part identification where the chip identification has been removed to prevent repairs and reverse engineering. Those manufacturer secrets ain't so secret anymore.
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
I assume we find one on most of our desks. Also to quickly test if a part still is working...
@AttilaAsztalos
@AttilaAsztalos Рік тому
Thank you for acknowledging these wonderful devices for what they are - no, they sure won't replace a suuuuuper-precise Fluke or Rohde & Schwarz lab instrument but they were never meant to do that, and they're MORE THAN PERFECTLY ADEQUATE to characterize a possibly unknown part you have just as long as we all understand the displayed values are NOT supposed to be taken as 0.00000... accurate. These things WILL tell you what a part is, and they WILL give you the CORRECT ballpark value. And for most enthusiasts who can't justify paying thousands of dollars for precision instruments that's really ALL they'll ever need. The amount of empowerment that this CHEAP thing grants to people who could never afford (or likely ever need) "proper" lab kit is impossible to overstate. Both the original firmware developers and the Chinese cloners are heroes in my book for bringing these things to the masses who could never hope to own anything more sophisticated than a DMM before.
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
I agree. We live in a very good time for the electronics hobby!
@Sekhar_Home
@Sekhar_Home Рік тому
I have created this with atmega328p and 16x2 display. It was great
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
Cool and very useful project!
@Sekhar_Home
@Sekhar_Home Рік тому
@@AndreasSpiess A big thanks for reply. I am now in a project about LoRa,ESP32 and GPS module for my own vehicle tracking and theft detection for my car. I have watched all ur episode about LoRa and it will definitely help me to build. Hope for the best
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
@@Sekhar_Home Look also at Apple's airtags. I use them on my bicycles...
@TechnoEveryday
@TechnoEveryday Рік тому
Great video as always. Is it still useful to use these devices to test in-circuit components on the pcb?
@DanielLopez-kt1xt
@DanielLopez-kt1xt Рік тому
It depends on the layout, you can probably test some components like resistors, but keep in mind that in the pcb, there are tons of components usually running in parallel, that can affect the results, you can try to test them on the board, and if you see something way too off, take it out and test it again, but it's allways the isolated test the one that will work 100%
@TechnoEveryday
@TechnoEveryday Рік тому
@@DanielLopez-kt1xt True that. Actually i have used expensive in circuit tester before. Wondering if this cheap solution is workable with MOSFETs and transistors
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
It works with transistors and MOSFETS and I agree with Daniel's answer.
@gregorymccoy6797
@gregorymccoy6797 Рік тому
I have one of these and played with it the first day I got it. I was very impressed. It's plenty accurate for the results I need.
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
I am sure it will be useful also in the future!
@eldontyrellcorp
@eldontyrellcorp Рік тому
I bought the latest version, it has so many more features now, it's totally amazing. I also ordered a case for it. For the price, it's a must have for every electronics hobbyist!
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
I agree!
@philippeschjelderup9644
@philippeschjelderup9644 Рік тому
Another great video Andreas! I really liked the 3d-printed case for this tester. Are the STL files available somewhere? I checked your sites but couldn't find it.
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
As mentioned this is an old video and I do not have the STL files anymore. I am even mot sure if I made them myself. You should find others, I think.
@IanSlothieRolfe
@IanSlothieRolfe Рік тому
I have one of the yellow ones, I found a case on thingiverse that was supposed to work with it, but the dimensions on my board were slightly different and the hole for the screen was in the wrong place, so I had to design my own; I'd recommend just printing out the part where the board mounts and test fitting to your board before printing the whole case.
@georgef7754
@georgef7754 Рік тому
Thank you. Now I have a better understanding how it works.
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
You are welcome!
@johnwest7993
@johnwest7993 Рік тому
I got one in a box of electronic junk I'd picked up at a ham swap and wasn't sure how crude it was or how inaccurate. I'd never seen them before. Nor did I find the instructions on line for my specific unit, so I just figured out from the screen what it was and checked a couple of resistors with it to verify functionality, and set it aside since I have better gear to test a lot of various devices with. But out of curiosity I think I'll pull it out and see if it can distinguish the difference between a Schottky and a germanium diode. It seems like a very difficult test for a $10 device, but I might be surprised. I don't like to use test and measurement equipment as black boxes, just make a connection then read a display. I really like to 'grok' what's going on with the test equipment. So thank you for the detailed explanation of these little circuits, more ingenious firmware and inexpensive micro-controller magic. Detailed knowledge of the operation of my test gear helps me understand the interactions of it with what I'm testing, much like the quantum observer affecting the observed process. It keeps me from making the sort of stupid mistakes I made when I was young, like thinking a crystal was dead because I saw no waveform on my new o'scope after putting my 50 Ohm input scope probe on the leg of the crystal for the oscillator circuit. Duh. There's a lot to learn in electronics, and the first thing to learn about is your own equipment.
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
I would not call this a "test instrument". It is more a "verification instrument" and it is very handy because it is fast. Most of the time I want to know the pinout or if a part is working or dead. There is no better solution to answer such questions. I also think that learning electronics changed a lot. Starting with ICs and now modules we moved one level up (as mankind often did in the past). The current generation only needs to know the parts if it does not work and we can build lots of stuff without this knowledge. It still is good knowledge, but probably not for starting... I am often called if it does not work. The kids can do without me if it works, sometimes better than me because they do not care about the details;-)
@johnwest7993
@johnwest7993 Рік тому
Thank you for your reply. All very good points, just as long as we can maintain this level of device integration. I had observed this step up a rung on the evolutionary ladder of technology, but I hadn't considered its implications to a new generation of technologists. You have.
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
@@johnwest7993 They (as we had) have to deal with much more complex systems than the generation before and have to leave details behind. If I see what kind of projects I can finish in a week, it is mindboggling (Example: Build a sensor, connect it wirelessly to a server, store and display its results and maybe mix it with some data from the internet). It would have taken me much longer when I was young. In my opinion, each generation has the same span of complexity they can cope with. Just on different levels.
@laboratoriodeprojetos1351
@laboratoriodeprojetos1351 Рік тому
Great vídeo
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
Thank you!
@user-im9vb8ib7l
@user-im9vb8ib7l Рік тому
The diodes are for ESD protection, the ATMega328p is a 5V device so input is allowed to be 5V. However, if working at 3.3v, the input is not allowed to be more than 3.8V (Vcc+0.5)
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
You are right.
@qzorn4440
@qzorn4440 Рік тому
i had no idea how these black boxes work. this fascinating description makes me wonder what else can be analyzed and reversed engineered. 😎 thanks for the cool 007 Q info. i have one of these Chinese devices and will shop around for a better one.. this time maybe one made in Taiwan 🥰
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
Maybe even you Chinese device contains chips made in Taiwan ;-)
@qzorn4440
@qzorn4440 Рік тому
@@AndreasSpiess thanks 😎
@AmitabhAnkur
@AmitabhAnkur Рік тому
What a great video. 🙏
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
Thank you!
@DavidMsg
@DavidMsg Рік тому
I did a calibration and am wondering if this helps if the resistor values aren't within the tight spec (680r and 470k)? Or if I should replace my chinese model's resistors with closer values.
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
I never wanted to have more accuracy from these devices. So I cannot answer your questions :-(
@StefanoBettega
@StefanoBettega Рік тому
I bought one of these testers and I was really surprised about their quality and capabilities. There are also versions able to decode IR commands.
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
I never used the IR functionality. Good to know it works...
@jmr
@jmr Рік тому
I didn't know I needed this. Take my money! 💸
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
You will love it!
@FixDaily
@FixDaily Рік тому
I have 2 different units, one like yours with monochromatic LCD and another with color LCD and encoder. The monochromatic works better than the colorful one. I've calibrated both, and for example mosfets and transistors, the colorful one has less clue how to detect them.
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
I also do not know why we need color for this application ;-)
@mahadotube
@mahadotube Рік тому
I created my own tester using an arduino nano, a 0.96" oled and i used the hex code from wiki of the creators of the tester. I preferred that over buying one because it was more challenging and fun.
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
I agree and you probably learned a lot by creating this device!
@mixza81
@mixza81 Рік тому
Have you tested (and calibrated) any of these clones with official firmware? Any changes in detect accuraticy?
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
I do not think that they changed the software. Too much work, I think. But I never checked. I do not expect too much accuracy from such cheap devices
@Doping1234
@Doping1234 Рік тому
Wow, the skill to make this work with so little. It's like watching a chess master play.
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
I agree!
@paulskaar8556
@paulskaar8556 Рік тому
I'm curious to make a Marquand (forgotten inventor) map of the solution space (fingerprints) and see if I can reduce it, admittedly already knowing the answer, to something as simple Markus Frejek came up with. Crossword/Sudoku puzzle for electronics.
@ayan.debnath
@ayan.debnath 6 місяців тому
I bought this tester. One issue - It sees Axial Inductor as if Resistor! Can you pls check yours?
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 6 місяців тому
Not all testers support inductors.
@jamesmor5305
@jamesmor5305 Рік тому
Which one of the testers do you prefer? To buy?
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
There are not big differences. I usually take the one which is closer to me ;-)
@qwaqwa1960
@qwaqwa1960 Рік тому
At least one of my testers was able to detect a depletion-mode MOSFET, and a 2-pin LED, internally with 2 back-to-back LEDs of different colours!
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
Astonishing!
@alexanderzohrens2945
@alexanderzohrens2945 4 місяці тому
IGBTs und Triacs habe ich damit probiert. IGBTs werden sehr oft nicht bzw. falsch erkannt wegen der hohen notwendigen Gatespannung. Triacs , die hohe Ströme schalten können, werden ebenfalls nicht bzw. falsch erkannt.
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess 4 місяці тому
Das ist richtig. Das Gerät hat ja nur 5V Versorgungsspannung.
@Mr.Leeroy
@Mr.Leeroy Рік тому
how does it determine polarity of ECaps?
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
I do not know if it does. But I also asked myself the question. It shows the same value for both directions. Maybe it does 2 measurements and selects the bigger value?
@Mr.Leeroy
@Mr.Leeroy Рік тому
@@AndreasSpiess at 14:57 you can see on the scope charge curve of cap right to the 63.2% of 5V according to time constant equation, so ~3.16V. Not sure if any ECap can be damaged with reverse polarity charge at such voltage levels or not, or even if it will take charge at all.. I guess it's a good subject for experiments.
@sanjikaneki6226
@sanjikaneki6226 Рік тому
you said you have then one in the link and another one with the a knob could you please give me a link? Also do you intend to make a upgrade video where you add a better reference etc? also that documentation is huge and i cant even begin to understand the code with all those define statements PS DIY solar update when?
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
1. Some links should be in the video description 2. I will not do upgrades 3. The next solar video will air after my summer break in September
@Electronics-Rocks
@Electronics-Rocks Рік тому
One problem with these testers is vintage equipment on testing diodes. A switching power supply diodes tested good BUT using my CRO component tester the faulty diodes looked like zener diodes not standard diodes due to the low voltage used in testing! I have not bought one of these cheap testers yet just repaired PSU which others have had troubles due to their beliefs of these testers. So many trust in what they see or lack of knowledge of the limitations of these devices.
@matambale
@matambale Рік тому
Agreed that it doesn't answer every possible test need - the 5v limit restricts its usefulness, but at $10, the price/performance ratio is excellent. I just wish we could purchase it directly from the original inventors. It is a very useful first-line diagnostic tool.
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
You are right. They have a very limited voltage range and therefore can show wrong results. I once saw a simple DIY tester for Zener diodes with a higher voltage.
@jaroslawpiotrowski210
@jaroslawpiotrowski210 Рік тому
Hi, I suggest to use LCR-TC1 tester - it is much better - cost about $20
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
Thank you for the tip! It looks like a very similar design. But I like the case! What is not needed is the rechargeable battery. My 9V battery works for years.
@californiakayaker
@californiakayaker Рік тому
Yes, I =have always thought of these devices as miracle devices. I studied my suspicions of its origin about 5 years ago. I've got a little white one with a nice case now. Who knows what is next in testers ? If we had these when I first started in electronics I might have made money, as it was I starved !
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
I am not sure if they will get better for this little money, I think. I agree, it would have been good when I was young!
@serggorod1423
@serggorod1423 Рік тому
14:14 одна из наиболее интересных сцен. One of the most interest scene.
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
:-)
@chuxxsss
@chuxxsss Рік тому
Afternoon Andreas, hope the summer is going well.
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
Yes, we have very hot and dry weather. The solar panels currently deliver 5x more than we need...
@chuxxsss
@chuxxsss Рік тому
@@AndreasSpiess Stop sending us, cool wet weather with snow? Did someone turn the world upside down?
@tmwuam
@tmwuam Рік тому
@@AndreasSpiess Sorry, if you mentioned it in your solar project video, do you have net metering enabled on your solar production?
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
@@chuxxsss Because it is obvious that we are on the top we always think that you are at the bottom and wonder why you do not fall off ;-) I assume it is similar on your side.
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
@@tmwuam Yes, we sell the excess energy.
@TheEmbeddedHobbyist
@TheEmbeddedHobbyist Рік тому
Its not a good idea to expect that all sensors will have a series resistor on the output pin. A sensor with a fast switching output it could start to look like a low pass filter. Plus if the sensor 5v comes up before the 3v3 you will try to power the esp8266 via an io pin. Which can lead to strange behaviour or latch up of chip.
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
Is this comment for this video? It does not make sense to me :-(
@TheEmbeddedHobbyist
@TheEmbeddedHobbyist Рік тому
Hi Andreas, the comment is not strictly on topic but in relation to a statment you made at 6.08 minutes in to the video. 1. You point out that the ESD protection diode in the chip will be protected by a resistor in series with its output of an attached sensor. I was just returning with a commenent that not all sensors would have a series resistor in the output or fitted to their PCB's; it could be directly from a gate with a strong 5V output which could make you chip curl its pins up. It’s good design practice to design for the worse case where there is no protection and incorporate your own. 2. It’s not a good idea to pass current though the protection diodes as this can lead to chip lockup or the input drawing too much current. 3. Also if the 5V is provided externally it might be present before the chip is powered, this can lead to allsorts reset issues within the controller. As the current through the ESD diode will be back feeding the internal power supply of the chip. sorry for any confusion
@transientaardvark6231
@transientaardvark6231 Рік тому
I thought a similar thing when I saw that. I would say that if you have something that you know is going to put out 5V then you should at the very least be putting some resistance between the 5V output and the 3.3V input, otherwise you could be setting yourself up for very high current draws while the 5V and 3V3 rails fight a proxy war through the output driver and the input protection. The volts you need to get rid of are approx (5V-0.1V) - (3.3V + 0.6V), or about 1V. so 1K limits this to 1mA. (After that you need to think about whether the low-pass filtering of your signals through the series resistor is going to problematic)
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
@@transientaardvark6231 Now I understand. You are right, of course. This is a hobby channel, and I shamelessly simplify things. Fortunately, I usually can depend on the chip designers who will correct these mistakes... Most sensors I use have extremely limited output current capabilities. I try to avoid 5V signals at 3.3V inputs because some chips will die (like the Raspberries).
@soulrobotics
@soulrobotics Рік тому
Hi. when I reapir old transistors radios, I need to know if the capacitor "is leaky" (*). sometimes, The capacitor tester told me the ESR associated with the capacitor at certain frequency, which is very handy. But what about the paralell resistance associated?... I am looking to the perfect capacitor tester. (*) if it let pass DC. I've heard about Mr. Carson's LVCT, but since I didn't want to be a patreon, I started to look for the people who build it. They make a huge mistake showing their versions, now I know how it works. I am not sure it can measure real leakage if you don't test it at the rated voltage... well i continue searching. Buy the way... you have to write a handbook. alles sauber und klar
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
Mr. Carlson should know what he does with testing old capacitors as this is his main business ;-)
@samehwaheed3882
@samehwaheed3882 Рік тому
please if transistor or capcitot are not working whats he do?
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
I do not know :-(
@emilalmberg1096
@emilalmberg1096 Рік тому
Greetings from Sweden!
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
Good morning!
@BX2ABT
@BX2ABT Рік тому
I ordered one from AliExpress not knowing how interesting the background of these testers are. Thanks for the excellent explanation. Unfortunately my tester arrived DOA, but luckily AliExpress will refund me. Have to order a new one now.
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
Hopefully, the next will work!
@greg4367
@greg4367 Рік тому
Good morning Andreas, greetings from San Francisco
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
Greetings back! Nice city!
@pekkaritamaki8858
@pekkaritamaki8858 Рік тому
Hey, it was very nice a meter. I have bought this three times, but I can't find the manual ( RTFM). Could you give to me? I have made external Nokia 3310 LiOn battery + inverter to 9V + 2.5m mm 4.1V power connector. Pekka R, Finland
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
The link should be in the description
@Autotrope
@Autotrope Рік тому
A lot of these seem to have 3.7v lithium batteries in them now which seems like a really poor choice for something where the battery otherwise lasts a very long time.
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
Mine have 9 volt batteries if I remember right. But you are right. They last forever and a rechargeable battery is not a good choice.
@AmitabhAnkur
@AmitabhAnkur Рік тому
I have rotary switch one.
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
:-)
@TinySpongey
@TinySpongey Рік тому
A word of warning to anyone purchasing one of these. Some of the more recent clones are of much lower quality. They don't use crystal oscillators any more which reduces the accuracy. They use "fake" incompatible MCUs which means you can't upgrade the firmware with the open source versions. A flaw in the circuitry can damage zener diodes. Some have pretty colour displays with fancy graphics but have removed many of the features to support this. Unfortunately it's almost impossible to tell form the listings which version is which and they rarely show pictures of the inside. For more details see the big eevblog thread.
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
Thank you for the update! I assume they did no more get the 328 chips...
@ishdemon_
@ishdemon_ Рік тому
Still waiting for diy solar update🙏
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
I am still in the Summer Break :-(
@sarkybugger5009
@sarkybugger5009 Рік тому
These things save so much time, and are a lot less taxing on the old eyeballs than squinting at tiny text, or coloured bands on coloured components... Money well spent, IMHO. I have had mine for at least five years, and it's still on the original battery.
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
Indeed, the power consumption is extremely low!
@Chris-rg6nm
@Chris-rg6nm Рік тому
His name was Markus Frejek
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
You are right. I thought I mentioned his name here: ukposts.info/have/v-deo/moKlgKGIb5qAy2Q.html ;-)
@jaytalbot1146
@jaytalbot1146 Рік тому
Creepy, I just ordered one of those testers today (using a different computer at a different location), and now UKposts is recommending this video (I didn't search for it) Big Brother is Watching You!
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
Better it suggested something useful for you ;-) Without "big brother" maybe it would have suggested something completely useless ;-)
@qwaqwa1960
@qwaqwa1960 Рік тому
What's so special about the BS108...?
@BerndFelsche
@BerndFelsche Рік тому
I suspect the junction diode.
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
And the package.
@qwaqwa1960
@qwaqwa1960 Рік тому
@@AndreasSpiess What...? Neither reply makes sense...
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
@@qwaqwa1960 You hardly find FETs in TO-92 cases. Most are SMD or TO-220
@qwaqwa1960
@qwaqwa1960 Рік тому
@@AndreasSpiess Maybe more uncommon now than in ye olde days, but what's the connection to tester behaviour...??? None. Maybe you got "special" Chinese FETs...
@josephchamness9915
@josephchamness9915 Рік тому
May be just me, but the alie links don't work.
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
Maybe you use an ad-blocker?
@alexanderzohrens2945
@alexanderzohrens2945 4 місяці тому
Klar...In der Schweiz kostet so ein 10$ Tester 10 Millionen.... jemand, der das nicht glaubt sollte mal einen Manager der Credit Suisse fragen.
@kpkpkpkpkpkpkpkpkp
@kpkpkpkpkpkpkpkpkp Рік тому
chinese r sweet peoples
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
Sometimes...
@alexanderzohrens2945
@alexanderzohrens2945 4 місяці тому
Accuracy...mal präziser aussprechen..
@MahBor
@MahBor Рік тому
Can you build one yourself?
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
Maybe. But not for this price...
@MahBor
@MahBor Рік тому
@@AndreasSpiess Thanks!
@paulcohen1555
@paulcohen1555 Рік тому
I know who was the original inventor. I also know that chinese are copying this and other Western products. "Bad behavior" isn't strong enough to describe the chinese behavior.
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
I agree that this behavior is not as we would like. At least it seems that they do it also with their own competitors (e.g. NanoVNA).
@paulskaar8556
@paulskaar8556 Рік тому
Markus Frejek....all hail the estimable inventor😁
@paulcohen1555
@paulcohen1555 Рік тому
Ha, Ha, Ha. "The capacitor is too small". Some chinese factories will print on the components whatever values a distributor wants. Of course the factory name is fake. Go find it in china to complain or sue them.
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
Fortunately, I am an Engineer and not a lawyer ;-) BTW: I have many proper capacitors from China, particularly SMD parts.
@paulcohen1555
@paulcohen1555 Рік тому
@@AndreasSpiess Sure, they also make good products and that's why I can't understand why there are so many counterfeit items. And to be safe, always chech what you are getting 😁
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
@@paulcohen1555 Exacty that is what I try to do. And file a dispute if they are not ok. To show them that it matters.
@Redone-jp6uz
@Redone-jp6uz Рік тому
Same video twice 🙄!
@trhosking
@trhosking Рік тому
Pay attention. Andreas is still on his summer break and is reposting some of his more popular videos. I hadn’t seen this one before so I’m glad he did.
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
Both are right. And the fact was mentioned in the intro as well as in a pinned comment to save you the time for re-watching ;-)
@Redone-jp6uz
@Redone-jp6uz Рік тому
@@AndreasSpiess Thank you so much. It was a incredible education video.
@JessGade
@JessGade Рік тому
Argh ... I need to stop seeing these videos! ... Always leaves a dent in the wallet afterwards...
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
I agree ;-)
@Hauketal
@Hauketal Рік тому
Small error in the diagram at 11:30, the name is Schottky with a "c". See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_H._Schottky
@AndreasSpiess
@AndreasSpiess Рік тому
You are right! Thank you.
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