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Today we will look at a completely new LoRa board. A new Semtech LoRa chip series (SX1261, SX1262, SX1268) and new ASR6501 microprocessor. Is it the best LoRa board ever? And what about the new LoRa chip? Let’s have a closer look.
The current LoRa chips from Semtech came to the market in 2013. Earlier this year, they finally announced new chips. So far, we did not see them often on the market. Most used boards still are based on the old chips. Recently, Heltec built this new board using one of these new LoRa chips. To find out if this is the best LoRa board ever, we will:
- Compare the new and the old LoRa chips
- Look at this new module used on this Heltec board
- Check if and how good the Arduino IDE supports it
- Measure the output power of the LoRa chip
- Measure the power consumption and check if it really is “low power”
- And finally, you will get my verdict
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@Flying0Dismount 4 роки тому

TCXO are NOT heated.. They simply have an integrated temperature sensor and compensation circuit that attempts to keep the output stable across a specified temperature band. An OCXO or oven-controlled XO has insulated enclosure and heating element to keep the quartz crystal at the same temperature regardless of external environmental conditions .

@AndreasSpiess 4 роки тому

You are right. I made a mistake!

@KuntalGhosh 4 роки тому

@@AndreasSpiess u should pin this comment for others to notice.

@polik971 4 роки тому

@@KuntalGhosh I like your thumbnail 😀

@KuntalGhosh 4 роки тому

@@polik971 you mean profile picture?

@polik971 4 роки тому

Yes, sorry

@2get 4 роки тому

Thank you, Andreas! I remember asking you for this review exactly a couple of weeks before this. This helps us quite a lot.

@AndreasSpiess 4 роки тому

You see, sometimes I listen to my viewers ;-)

@albygnigni 4 роки тому

Hi Andreas! Great video as always. I've read on the TTN forum that Heltec is planning to release a Platformio IDE package and I think this would be really helpful with development. Arduino IDE has some big limitations with external cores still today. I also think they are going to add some documentation since they are still working on it! Merry Christmas and happy new year!

@Aemilindore 4 роки тому

You're amaizing. Thank you for your contributions to the world of DIY. You're a blessing to the entire world.

@AndreasSpiess 4 роки тому

Thank you for your nice words! It is like a Christmas gift :-)

@Spacedog49 4 роки тому

Thanks for the information. As a newbe to LoRa, I found your evaluation helpful as I make a decision on what to purchase.

@AndreasSpiess 4 роки тому

You are welcome!

@MrDaniyalAh 3 роки тому

The number of pitfalls that u have prevented me from falling into is amazingly high. So good, on point information, I love it!!!

@AndreasSpiess 3 роки тому

Glad it was helpful!

@MrDaniyalAh 3 роки тому

@@AndreasSpiess You actually replied to such a old video. Keep up the good work brother. Love from Pakistan.

@nbsneakersbln 4 роки тому

Many thanks Andreas. 🎄I wish you a Merry Christmas. 😘

@AndreasSpiess 4 роки тому

Merry Christmas to you, too!

@TheMvieira 4 роки тому

Thank Andreas for all the videos this year!!! I wish you, your family and channel colleges Merry Christmas an excellent 2020!!

@AndreasSpiess 4 роки тому

Thank you and best wishes to you and your family, too!

@rfbase 4 роки тому

Great video, thanks! Especially the cat at the end purring.

@AndreasSpiess 4 роки тому

Thank you! Since a few days she decided to sit in front of the monitor that I caress here more...

@brainfornothing 4 роки тому

Thanks for sharing and happy holidays !

@AndreasSpiess 4 роки тому

You are welcome!

@bobdoritique7347 4 роки тому

Merci Andreas. Interesting product. I wait the library are more stable.

@AndreasSpiess 4 роки тому

Good decision!

@tonysfun 4 роки тому

Nice explanation again Andreas! I'm amazed how much stuff you know and you also admit what you don't know, that is nice to know! Merry Christmas and happy NEW YEAR for you and your family Andreas!

@AndreasSpiess 4 роки тому

Most of the things I do not know. But I am still learning... Also Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you and your family!

@tonysfun 4 роки тому

@@AndreasSpiess You are such a nice person and honest! I would love to bee your friend and neighbor! Thank you and enjoy the Christmas Day with your friends and family! Thank you for your kind words and stuff you are sharing with all of us. I also love to tell all of the viewers Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

@moormoor4281 4 роки тому

Happy Christmas and a happy new year from London England

@AndreasSpiess 4 роки тому

Merry Christmas to you too!

@soumitradey8208 4 роки тому

Wow! Just what i was looking for ! You are great

@AndreasSpiess 4 роки тому

Thank you!

@lauriereynolds2682 4 роки тому

Hi Andreas, another helpful video, thanks. I've been waiting for you to put the OneThinX module which you unpacked 6 months ago through its paces. It was your reference to it which alerted me, and it looks very impressive. I bought one but am still having a few problems with the VSCode tooling so it would be really useful to have a video from you as well. Keep up the excellent work and best wishes for the 20s decade.

@AndreasSpiess 4 роки тому

So far I did not invest the needed time :-(

@lauriereynolds2682 4 роки тому

@@AndreasSpiess Thanks for the update. I suspected this might be the case but it looks an excellent solution for LoRa device with ARM PSA pre-certification. I'm keen to hear your opinion of the Semtech 1261 output power efficiency.

@doytcreativediy2314 4 роки тому

great information. i always wanted to know a few things about lora but still having issue understand it, even after watching a few of your videos of lora... i think i need to find some way to boost some brain cells of mind. thank you

@AndreasSpiess 4 роки тому

eI am sure you will get behind it. I hope you found my introductory video...

@hamradio3716 2 роки тому

Excellent. Please do more!

@AndreasSpiess 2 роки тому

Thank you!

@chuxxsss 4 роки тому

Bit late today getting to this vlog. Good show Andreas have a Happy Christmas and a safe one. That is to your whole family from downunder.

@AndreasSpiess 4 роки тому

Thank you! Best wishes to you and your family, too. And a lot of luck for your search for gold in 2020!

@777wsu 4 роки тому

Dear Mr Spiess, i wish you a very merry Christmas and a happy new year!

@AndreasSpiess 4 роки тому

Thank you. I also wish you Happy Holidays!

@MrCareyer 4 роки тому

Great vid as always! A bit off-topic: you might want to have a glimpse at the Kendryte K210 Boards such as Sipeed MAiX BIT and MAiXduino. These things are awesome and offer tons of power and possibilities such as AI EDGE Computing. Ideal for machine Vision and Hearing. For 30$ they come with Display and Camera and a KPU cappable of 230 Gflops. In Short: MINDBLOWING STUFF - cheers!!! Keep the execellent vids coming ... happy Christmas 😀

@AndreasSpiess 4 роки тому

I have some K210 boards around but need some time to do something with them... Merry Christmas to you, too!

@MrCareyer 4 роки тому

Andreas Spiess thank you very much. Looking forward to it. This is the next big revolution since ESP32. 👍

@winstonegm 2 роки тому

wonderful work Andreas.

@AndreasSpiess 2 роки тому

Thank you!

@rickhunt3183 4 роки тому

Interesting, and a good presentation. Having something that could operate for 30 days or more on an 18650 would be a big plus. We need long range low power. I'm always looking for that. It's interesting that we used to turn to these devices to resolve a problem. Now we have solutions looking for a problem. Have a Merry Christmas.

@AndreasSpiess 4 роки тому

Merry Christmas to you, too!

@GerardoKasevich 3 роки тому

thank you Andreas, greetings from Argentina

@AndreasSpiess 3 роки тому

You are welcome!

@dl8cy 4 роки тому

your videos are precise as a Swiss clockwork - 73 from Berlin

@AndreasSpiess 4 роки тому

I use a US function for a timed release;-). Frohe Weihnachten!

@dl8cy 4 роки тому

@@AndreasSpiess my post was about content and not release time - hi

@gg-gn3re 4 роки тому

"Especially if you shoot them into orbit" lmao I thought you were leading up to that, glad you said it. Their launch is pretty hilarious to watch.

@AndreasSpiess 4 роки тому

Maybe we will see another launch in the near future...

@Ownedyou 4 роки тому

I had to do a double take to realize the name, is NOT "Lube Lell".

@MrFaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa 4 роки тому

Ownedyou I came to the comments to post that too. Unfortunate design choice...

@SakvaUA 4 роки тому

I have a crying lady - white cat meme ready with the same joke :)

@johannes9386 4 роки тому

Are you from Luxemburg? Google say the word Lell is from it.

@GeorgeWMays 4 роки тому

Excellent. Thanks for sharing.

@AndreasSpiess 4 роки тому

You are welcome!

@stuartrobinson4520 4 роки тому

Good video. Heltec seem to have taken the need for low power sleep operation seriously. One point to note, SF6 from the LoRa SX126x devices is not compatible with SF6 from the SX127x devices.

@AndreasSpiess 4 роки тому

Thank you for the information about SF6. I was not aware of that fact.

@andrewbeasley 4 роки тому

Merry Christmas to you and your family from a damp North Lincolnshire England.

@AndreasSpiess 4 роки тому

Thank you, I also wish you Happy Holidays!

@TonyLing 3 роки тому

Bonus point fur die alter catze. Always an essential addition to the workbench.

@AndreasSpiess 3 роки тому

Agreed!

@gacherumburu9958 4 роки тому

Thanks for the info

@AndreasSpiess 4 роки тому

You are welcome!

@AjinkyaMahajan 4 роки тому

Very nice explanation 👌 thanks 😊

@AndreasSpiess 4 роки тому

You are welcome!

@MattKoster 4 роки тому

As always, great overview of the promises of this new chip and board. Thank you. Looking into them more and will watch the development of these as this development board and the uses of this chip get matured. What's your cats name by the way?

@AndreasSpiess 4 роки тому

She is called Dishka.

@MattKoster 4 роки тому

@@AndreasSpiess great name. Keep up the work and thanks for sharing your thoughts and experiences. I have learned a lot from you.

@PhG1961 4 роки тому

Really interesting ! Very usefull information !

@AndreasSpiess 4 роки тому

Thank you. And Merry Christmas!

@PhG1961 4 роки тому

@@AndreasSpiess Thnxs ! Also for you happy holidays and best wishes !

@andrewtitcombe8378 Рік тому

Just Purchased the Heltec Cubecell. Had issues using it with the Arduino IDE , and so now programming it with Visual studio Code. Best thing about the Heltec board is it remembers variables during deep sleep. Unlike esp32 where variables are lost unless stored in static memory first. Also easy sleep and wake coding of duty cycle. Heltec have made a good lora device. But Arduino IDE has problems at the moment. But actually now prefer the challenge of coding these devices , with a lack of documentation,as i have to look under the hood more. There is also a good forum group that can help resolve issues.

@AndreasSpiess Рік тому

Thank you for the information. I plan to use one of those for my next LoRa project.

@Chriva 4 роки тому

50" inch plasma. Had it since 2010 and still have it :P Phone was either a Galaxy S4 active or a Galaxy S2. We haven't progressed THAT much :P

@AndreasSpiess 4 роки тому

Maybe as the LoRa chips ;-)

@RobertSzasz 4 роки тому

AT mode probably see it up so data can be pushed to the module over serial using AT commands like an old modem.

@ThermaRay 4 роки тому

That's what I was thinking.

@AndreasSpiess 4 роки тому

You are right. But I do not know how this works in conjunction with the Arduino programmable chip.

@HelmutTschemernjak 4 роки тому

The TCXO has no heating element, it measures the temperature and adjusts the crystal drive to stay more accurate. This means, no power overhead, but higher costs. For higher spreading factors and lower bandwidth a TCXO can help, usually it is not needed, because most people use the 125kHz bandwidth. Regarding the power, our Heltec-Turtle board needs 2µA in deep sleep mode, our Radioshuttle ESP32 ECO Power board uses about 8µA in deep sleep. The Turtle board has 2 x Flash, 4 x SARM, the ESP32 even much more. I don’t like the CubeCell module because it has too many resource limits with only 128kB Flash and 16 kB SRAM. This limits applications and debugging capabilities, e.g. the software with debugging symbols compiled does not fit into the flash. Thank you for this great video, regards from Hannover, Germany.

@AndreasSpiess 4 роки тому

Concerning the TCXO: My mistake. You are right. Concerning the current consumption: Thank you for your information. That is amazing! Concerning the board: I see it for a sensor node where not too much logic is on the node. Then it is ok because you get a working node with very low power consumption right from the shelf.

@HelmutTschemernjak 4 роки тому

@@AndreasSpiess I fully agree that this is a nice board for many use cases where many Arduino users just copy/paste example code. For me as an engineer I need to use debugger tools and then the flash resources are too limiting. I am more on the professional side of this and not being able to debug is a no-go for me.

@PlanetFrosty 3 роки тому

Thank you so much

@AndreasSpiess 3 роки тому

You're welcome!

@philiptrappeniers2632 3 роки тому

Great video, as always. Could we get it to work easily with a 1-wire sensor, such as the 18B20?

@AndreasSpiess 3 роки тому

I do not know. Maybe you try it?

@JxH 4 роки тому

@4m05s: TCXO is not temperature controlled, but temperature compensated. Oven Controlled Crystal Oscillators (OCXO) are the ones that use heaters to stabilize the temperature.

@AndreasSpiess 4 роки тому

You are right. I made a mistake :-(

@patrickcourtot6417 2 роки тому

Hello Andreas. Thank you very much for all your videos. Thanks to you I have some LORA devices that work in point to point. I wanted to test these heltec equipments with TTN. I tried some of their examples, I could get only a join connection with TTN, but no data seems to come up. Did you manage to get any data up?

@AndreasSpiess 2 роки тому

Yes. I had one working. Maybe you check the keys.

@Stinngerr 4 роки тому

Meme confused cat at 00:01 -Cube Cell -Lube Lell

@AndreasSpiess 4 роки тому

:-))

@AJB2K3 4 роки тому

I'm glad i'm not the only one to read it as Lube Lell, sounds like a sex toy!

@trevorvanbremen4718 4 роки тому

There's a HUGE difference between a TCXO and an OCXO. Your verbal description was of an OCXO which does indeed include a heater, but a TCXO traditionally does NOT have a heater.

@AndreasSpiess 4 роки тому

You are right, made a mistake. It seems that the TCXO still needs power. In the datasheet is stated that all currents are measured without TCXO.

@trevorvanbremen4718 4 роки тому

It's a VERY rare day that you make a mistake on YT sir.. (so I should mark this date in my calendar? LOL) For everyone else out there in YT-land, an OCXO (Oven Controlled Xtal Osc) will commonly draw many WATTS of power until the 'oven' reaches it's operating temperature. By comparison, a TCXO (Temp Compensated Xtal Osc) 'senses' the temperature and 'pulls' the oscillator frequency as applicable. A typical OCXO is capable of 2-3 orders of magnitude more 'stability' than a TCXO (and a TCXO is typically a lot more stable than a non-compensated oscillator). You'll find an OXCO in almost ANY high-end metrology device requiring a precise / stable frequency and in such cases, the best performance is maintained by NEVER powering down the oven. For example, my both my frequency counter _and_ my spectrum analyser keep the osc running even when the rest of the unit is switched off. The next level up from an OXCO is probably Rubidium based, but that's beyond my requirements.

@electronic7979 4 роки тому

Excellent

@AndreasSpiess 4 роки тому

Thank you!

@gertvbiljon 2 роки тому

Andreas, thanks for your videos! Do you know if in the meantime there has been a sw library released that works well with the sx1262? Preferrably not an arduino library I am using the NXP lpc55s69 Arm m33 mcu with the rfsolutions lambda62 sx1262 lora board

@AndreasSpiess 2 роки тому

I only use the Arduino IDE (maybe to avoid problems like you describe ;-) )

@brendanbarbour8568 3 роки тому

Andreas, your videos on LoRa technology are a very significant contribution to the community of makers and the value extends far beyond imho. Has your experience changed over time with regard to the documentation and support for the SX1262 chip ..? I am working on deploying a network of sensors employing the BATMAN strategy and I was wondering whether the MCU onboard the Heltech board is overkill to implement this algorithm..? I am also struggling to source the IC itself..at an affordable price...any ideas..?

@AndreasSpiess 3 роки тому

I never used the SX1262 chip. Maybe you go to www.meshtastic.org/ . They use LoRa for meshes with a similar protocol like BATMAN

@skyfly200 4 роки тому

Nice little 3D printed pointer hand

@AndreasSpiess 4 роки тому

Thank you!

@airheadbit1984 2 роки тому

Just finished evaluating NUCLEO-WL55C1/C2 (US915/EU433) STM32WL55JCI7 + Embedded SX126x - With STOP mode 2 and 10 minute sensor cycles a summer without changing the battery. Using M0+ for the radio and M4 for the sensors, no vendor is currently selling a dual core version of the device.

@AndreasSpiess 2 роки тому

My problem is that they do not support the Arduino IDE…

@tomislavbrlek6940 4 роки тому

Andreas, the difference between SX1261 and SX1262 and is price and output power. You cannot use more than +14dBm in EU, therefore it is no go to use the higher price higher power SX1262, but only SX1261. SX1262 is best for north america region Tomislav

@AndreasSpiess 4 роки тому

As you saw in my tests it is very easy to lose a few dB on these frequencies. So I do not fear having too much power at the antenna ;-) How much is the price difference?

@tomislavbrlek6940 4 роки тому

The difference in price is not extremly big, around 20c. If designed well, nothing gets lost ;-) does this module have FCC?

@AndreasSpiess 4 роки тому

I do not know about FCC. But in the USA they have higher power limitations.

@tommihommi1 4 роки тому

still very interesting for radio amateurs.

@Yuehanlad 4 роки тому

@@tommihommi1 yep but need to have good external band pass filters as the harmonics are terrible.

@guna6751 3 роки тому

what it the max distance transmitted? I was expecting that too

@buzzbuzz7031 3 роки тому

Hi Andreas, thanks for the great video! Have you tried reading PWM input from a sensor and sending it using LoRa in the same script? It seems like LoRa library is disabling PWM function somehow, as I was able to read PWM input in a separate script but it gives false readings when combined with LoRa code. All sensors+LoRa examples provided by the library mainly use I2C, none of them is using PWM. Just wondering if you came across this weir behaviour?

@AndreasSpiess 3 роки тому

No, I never used PWM input.

@mahudson3547 4 роки тому

At 11:50, that pip is the second harmonic. Nice comparison though and I still covet the spectrum analyser! (and the cat)

@AndreasSpiess 4 роки тому

I know, but I do not like this definition. I do not think it is understandable for a "layman". That is why I did not use the correct denomination.

@mahudson3547 4 роки тому

Andreas Spiess So the third harmonic is four times the fundamental in your system???

@AndreasSpiess 4 роки тому

Yes. Very simple. I just count: 1st peak: Fundamental. Second peak: First harmonic etc... Quite obvious for a noob like me ;-)

@unodos1821 4 роки тому

Mr. Fluffers at the end😸

@AndreasSpiess 4 роки тому

:-)

@unodos1821 4 роки тому

@@AndreasSpiess 🎄🎁😸

@slackocaster 3 роки тому

I'm thinking about getting some lora boards for playing around with friends while camping. Would you purchase this board, or would you go with one of the ttgo boards? I am also a licensed amateur radio operator (from Canada), so I understand most of your tests regarding output power and swr. Thanks for all you do, 73.

@AndreasSpiess 3 роки тому

They all use the same LoRa chips. So it does not matter too much. Maybe you have a look at the video about Meshtastic, if you are with friends.

@MrPerrey 4 роки тому

So I conclude that the TTGo is a good choice for a future Fossasat 2/3 Ground station as it provide WiFi link and SX127x is capable to do the job and without feasable advantage for using a SX126x. Is it right?

@AndreasSpiess 4 роки тому

I hope so. At least Julian wrote that they will test the TTGO boards before their next launch...

@yaomingkuo178 4 роки тому

Nice video Andreas! What do you use to measure the current consumption? Where could I buy it?

@AndreasSpiess 4 роки тому

I used this one: www.qoitech.com/

@CCAPACCO 4 роки тому

5:22 oh i definitely will be considering it before launching them to orbit, thanks

@AndreasSpiess 4 роки тому

I know people who did not do that ;-)

@claib 4 роки тому

Hey thanks ! how do i integrate sensors not listed in the Multisensor example ?

@AndreasSpiess 4 роки тому

As on every other Arduino board. Search for a library. And hope it works.

@TheDefpom 4 роки тому

I just got some E32 modules up and running, im building a big project which needs longer range than wifi. I did try to use some bare SX1276 board which I could never get to communicate with my ESP32 for some reason, gave up and moved onto E32 instead

@AndreasSpiess 4 роки тому

Which ones do you have? The ones with Uart or spi?

@TheDefpom 4 роки тому

Andreas Spiess - the modules I got working are the UART ones, the ones I couldn’t get working are SPI, I purchased about 12 of them, even tried a different board in case the one I was trying to get going was a faulty one... maybe a collaboration is in order to get these working!

@TheDefpom 4 роки тому

Andreas Spiess - this is the module I couldn’t get going: 2pcs lorawan transceiver RF LoRa module SX1276 chip nrf52832 radio a.aliexpress.com/kRbLhFTE

@AndreasSpiess 4 роки тому

It seems they are normal rfm95 modules which should work ok with the LoRaWAN library. But you have to define the pins correctly.

@TheDefpom 4 роки тому

I spent a couple of days trying to get them to even be recognised, the ESP32 couldn't even see they were there, all very odd. As this was the first time I've tried using LoRa it was a bit confusing, as I still don't know if it is something wrong with the modules themselves, or if I am doing something really really stupid... Like I mentioned, I am now using E32 modules instead and they are working fine, and are obviously a lot simpler to setup compared to the others, I did have to use your trick to remap the serial1 connections tough as I need 3 serial ports for all the modules and interfaces, in fact I did more research and found a simpler way posted of how to remap them, by putting this code in: Serial1.begin(loraSerialSpeed, SERIAL_8N1, 13, 12); // serial speed, com type, RX, TX

@willhelmx8388 4 роки тому

Hi Andreas, nice evaluation, is this Module for sale anywhere?, couldent find it with this chip on their page BR / A.... -> ahh found it it´s the Cube cell dev board right

@AndreasSpiess 4 роки тому

You should find a link in the video description

@BerndFelsche 4 роки тому

Thank you for another video. Unfortunately unwatchable with Chromecast on my TV. (Yes, I have a TV) It's watchable on other devices so it looks like on hand of Google doesn't know what the other is doing... a new level of competence 😑 Have a Merry Christmas.

@AndreasSpiess 4 роки тому

Strange. I recently changed to 60fps. Maybe this is the problem?

@AndreasDelleske 4 роки тому

You might just wait until the other formats have been produced by UKposts I guess.

@edinfific2576 2 роки тому

One note from the SX1262 datasheet: the output power may be significantly lower in case of even a "reasonable" antenna mismatch, as this chip lowers the supply voltage for the PA section. There is a suggested workaround, however.

@AndreasSpiess 2 роки тому

I thought I measured the real power of the module and it was ok (for Europe, at least).

@MrLampafeny Рік тому

Hello Edin, could you elaborate on this? I have a problem with my recently purchased LilyGo T3S3 v1.1 boards with the SX1262. The original arduino firmware on the boards out of the box showed good operation; I set one board to send, the other to receive and they could ping with RSSI as good as -33 when right next to each other; this lowered to -80 at about 2 meters. I did not try longer distances. Then, I flashed the boards to use micropython and managed to get basic messaging working with some tinkering to a driver I found on github. But now I see that even when the boards are at 1 cm away, the best RSSI I get is -80, this decreases to -110 at 1 meter, then at about 2 meters, the signal is lost completely. My guess is that there is something wrong with how I program the SX chip to configure the power amplifier. I read through my code, the driver code, and the datasheet and everything should be correct set. I tried different settings regarding power level, PA ramp time, etc, but no improvements. Any tips? I would be grateful for some help here. Is it possible that the chips I got are missing the power amplifier?

@edinfific2576 Рік тому

@@MrLampafeny Hello. It's been a long time since I wrote this, and it was some info from the Web, but I have actually not yet had experience with any Semtech chips to be able to tell you. Based on my other, limited experiences, that is just too weak and it might be that you have a solder bridge somewhere around the radio section, short-circuiting your signal. Also could be one of your capacitors either shorting or maybe you need one for decoupling supply rails.

@meberli 4 роки тому

hi andreas, I also played with a cubecell board this weekend but struggled when it came to receive downlink messages from ttn. the messages were logged on the console but I couldn't figure out how to read them in the provided example sketch.. have you tried that?

@AndreasSpiess 4 роки тому

This is what I meant with the lack of documentation...

@scytube 3 роки тому

I’ve tried using Heltec’s Arduino package for the board, but it comes with a proprietary flashing tool (they provide you with a binary and have stated that they’re not planning to release the source code) and even with a custom, binary-only, China-hosted version of gcc. Since the flashing tool does some kind of encryption, I doubt that there will be an open alternative available. Also, their tools are not available for ARM architectures, so you can’t use them in the Arduino IDE on e.g. a Raspberry Pi.

@AndreasSpiess 3 роки тому

Strange. The Arduino IDE worked when I made the video.

@scytube 3 роки тому

@@AndreasSpiess Yes, if you're using an Intel-based computer it's not a problem. But when your machine is running on ARM, you're out of luck, because their tools are not available for that architecture. And since they don't make the source code available, you can't even compile it yourself.

@NotMarkKnopfler 4 роки тому

Andreas, was just wondering what is the status with the recently launched Lora satellite? Is it a failure? I haven't seen any updates on it. Greetings from Scotland.

@cannaroe1213 4 роки тому

By the sounds of it, the satellite has the new type of chip in it that will want to operate on SF5, which is narrower than what the legacy LoRa chips can do. So when he tried to talk to it, he found he couldn't. Not without the newer chip. This is actually pretty weird, because the Gateway version of this chip has dedicated SF5 and SF6 antenna, so that it can always listen on SF6. Perhaps they literally just used the client version in the satellite o_o

@AndreasSpiess 4 роки тому

The satellite is not working for the general public because so far they were not able to deploy the antenna. And it look like they use a mode which cannot be handled by the SX127x chips. This should be changed in the next datellite they will start in spring...

@edovis 3 роки тому

Is there a way to link two SX1262 modules, one as a master TX and the other as a slave RX (without using any gateway between them)?

@AndreasSpiess 3 роки тому

Yes. I made a video about directly connected LoRa modules

@AdrianSandu_d 4 роки тому

What's the interface at 10"34' ? What is it connected to ? I see some digilent before that .. Thanks !

@AndreasSpiess 4 роки тому

Once it was the device and tehn it was the remote control software on my PC

@Tom-ku8bu 3 роки тому

What did you change in 9:35 to make this library working with cubecell? Because I'm trying to make irRemote library compatible with cubecell.

@AndreasSpiess 3 роки тому

I do no more remember :-( But IR is not easy...

@kwinzman 4 роки тому

Since when do we measure throughput in kHz? And also kHz lowercase k = Kilo Sorry for the nitpicking :P Hope this is helpful!

@AndreasSpiess 4 роки тому

You are right. Typo...

@hansjububu 2 роки тому

Hello Andreas, I got a Lilygo TTGO V1.1 with a SX1262 last month. I checked your video and the video about LoraWan and satellite (lacuna). But I did not get the TTGO to work with TTN. Do you have an update on "How to use SX1262". What lib to use, or even better a scatch to use? Kind regards Hans-Jürgen

@AndreasSpiess 2 роки тому

The Arduino IDE should contain a library (search for SX126X by Bernd Giesecke).

@hansjububu 2 роки тому

@@AndreasSpiess perfect, that was the hit I needed. thx

@jas-FPV 3 роки тому

Is it possible to use such a board for UAV telemtry that is sent via UART ? I look for ranges up to 10-20km

@AndreasSpiess 3 роки тому

Maybe you watch my other LoRa videos about my range tests?

@jas-FPV 3 роки тому

@@AndreasSpiess I did :-) But you always use sensors or stuff like this. For Mavlink I need to connect the sender to a UART and the receivers needs to output also via UART I only have basic knowledge and can use existing sketches and such, but sadly nothing more... so I cant decide if its feasable🤷🏼‍♂️ so it would be good to know if it may work or if its just impossible because its not made for that.

@DaveMody 4 роки тому

What was that current meter you were using? I don't think I've seen it before.

@NorthernEwan 4 роки тому

I just spent an hour working my Google magic... Difficult but then I googled "arc main current" and found this: www.qoitech.com/

@AndreasSpiess 4 роки тому

@Dominic: You are right. I added the link to the description.

@NorthernEwan 4 роки тому

I've just purchased one. Incredible, a scriptable power supply. Plus it sinks current so I can do discharge profiles. Thank you for showing

@neelmehta100 3 роки тому

Grüezi Andreas, for my Bachelor Thesis, I am looking for a suitable LoRa Module for sending and possibly receiving data from an aircraft moving at max 200 knots (370 km/h) at around 15'000 feet (4600m). What do you recommend?

@AndreasSpiess 3 роки тому

Watch my videos about LoRa satellites. They fly higher and faster...

@neelmehta100 3 роки тому

Hi Andreas, thank you for your reply. I‘m not exactly sure what I‘m supposed to depict from the sat videos. Maybe I didn’t express my question fully. I wan‘t to send air data information from the Aircraft to the TTN in Switzerland. Since I am new to LoRa, I am not sure if this is possible because of the mountains and also the airtime. I would like to test this as soon as possible. Is the RFM-95 suitable? What should I pay special attention to?

@AndreasSpiess 3 роки тому

Speed is probably no problem as the satellites show. Distance is no problem as balloons and my videos show. As long as you have a line of sight to at least 1gateway.

@norm1124 4 роки тому

PSoC ist prima, aber kann man die diskrete Logik auch in der Arduino UI programmieren?

@AndreasSpiess 4 роки тому

Leider keine Ahnung. Bis jetzt habe ich noch keine Dokumentation der Arduino Funktionen gesehen

@bra1nsen 2 роки тому

I have a solar radiation meter (no power supply needed). could i use that lora board with adc? are there any tutorials out there?

@AndreasSpiess 2 роки тому

I do not know. But Google knows if it exists.

@gkdotclass 4 роки тому

Fortunately the LoRaWAN world does not revolve around TTN so things like TCXOs and low receive energy ARE very important

@AndreasSpiess 4 роки тому

The LoRa protocol is not too frequency sensitive because of the chirps. This helps also with the Doppler in satellites. At least this is what i heard.

@gkdotclass 4 роки тому

Andreas Spiess We already see problems for non-TCXO modules at higher spreading factors like SF12. Long transmission times see frequency drift which impacts the data especially near the end - the CRC field. I understand long transmissions / high SF are frowned upon on public networks like TTN but definitely have their place on private ones. This is especially true for ESP32 boards because those chips run hot when doing stuff (like driving the radio chip!) , if near the LoRa transceiver crystal you’ll have a bad time for sure TCXO is always a requirement for us. For satellites too I’m sure because they tend to use bandwidths < 125khz. I”Not sure about Doppler effects, I hear that’s being addressed in a new LoRa modulation altogether - LoRa Evolution

@AndreasSpiess 4 роки тому

I am in contact with Lacuna and they develop some better stuff for satellites together with Semtech. They use the 1262 chip.

@ecs038_ark7 2 роки тому

Hello sir, I have a few questions on LORA which I could not found on the net. Hope the comment section provides me with answers😀 First thing is - are sx12xx based devices capable of having different channels to receive messages at different duty cycles? 2nd - I have been using sx1278 for prototype but getting very poor range, just a few centi-metres - any suggestions on how can I improve that?

@AndreasSpiess 2 роки тому

1. Only gateway chips offer more than one channel and SF in parallel. All others have to choose one channel for a particular time. 2. LoRa has a long range. So your setup definitively has a problem. Unfortunately, I cannot do remote debugging :-(

@johnadams9558 3 роки тому

I’m sorry I missed what you said you were using to measure power. What was that black box?

@AndreasSpiess 3 роки тому

That is why I always provide links in the description ;-)

@johnadams9558 3 роки тому

@@AndreasSpiess oh duh!! I looked but did not see on the first round. I see it now. Thx.

@mathieuvaudry987 Рік тому

Hello, Thanks for this video, I was looking for a very low power consumption Lora Board and thanks to your video I found it. I just have one question, I'm trying to plug a distance sensor (A02YYUW) on it but it's an UART Output, do you have any idea about how it could be done ? thanks in advance if you take the time to answer

@AndreasSpiess Рік тому

Maybe you can use a second UART (Serial2) with this module. I do not know because I never needed it.

@mathieuvaudry987 Рік тому

@@AndreasSpiess thanks for your quick response, I've tried but I can't make it works. Do you know on wich pin I'm suppose to plug my sensor if I want to connect it to UART 2 ? I've tried by pluging it on RX & TX (pin 14 and 15)

@AndreasSpiess Рік тому

@@mathieuvaudry987 No, I never used them.

@mat28122000 Рік тому

@@AndreasSpiessok thanks you for your time. Update if someone is trying the same : I made some research and it looks like their is no other serial port available on this board. I will try something else

@xConundrumx 2 роки тому

Mine is still on order but I would hazard a guess that the AT stuff is AT modem command support?

@AndreasSpiess 2 роки тому

They are similar to the old modem commands, yes.

@phuclocnguyen2386 3 роки тому

How much power you set when you measure the output power of the LoRa chip ?

@AndreasSpiess 3 роки тому

The maximum. (15 dBm if I remember right).

@phuclocnguyen2386 3 роки тому

@@AndreasSpiess thank for your reply

@ressamendy Рік тому

Hi Andreas "I bought the Heltec AB02 board. I want to connect it to chirpstack lorawan server. (As gateway, I connected dragino dlos8.) How can I do that?

@AndreasSpiess Рік тому

I think so. I never used it.

@scarcatch 4 роки тому

Hi, greetings from Aesch, BL Neat Videos

@AndreasSpiess 4 роки тому

Thank you!

@1mikechung 9 місяців тому

Hi, I am using Heltec Wireless stick Lora, Wifi BLE. On new projects what would you recomend as the wireless is now being discontinued. I am having problems getting a BME280 working with the Wireless stic. Have you any sketches that work with it. I cannot find a single one that works. Need help. Thanks

@AndreasSpiess 9 місяців тому

I often use TTGO boards for my projects. But you might have other needs. Unfortunately, Unfortunately, I do not know why the BME280 has problems in your sketches :-(

@1mikechung 9 місяців тому

@@AndreasSpiess Hi, Thanks for reply. After testing the Heltech Board I found the 3v and 5v ouput where not working. New board perfect. Which drivers do you use for the BME280. Have you any sketches for a weather station with Lora to I.O.T or Wi-Fi. Thanks

@lynnfliger1856 4 роки тому

Have you or anyone else experimented with the LoRa TX module traveling at higher speeds and the RX fixed to a location? What I mean by high speed is up to 500 meters/second. My concern of course is with doppler effects on transmission. I have yet to watch the all the videos concerning the work being done with satellites and will but if you have any experience of completed any experimentation I would like to know or where I can review the results.

@AndreasSpiess 4 роки тому

Maybe you watch my video about the LoRa satellite. There you should find links tomaterial about the Doppler and fast speed

@lynnfliger1856 4 роки тому

@@AndreasSpiess Thanks I will

@BothoHohbaum 4 роки тому

The letters AT in combination with network... what could it possibly be... something with modem AT commands (dialstrings) maybe? Is the only thing that comes to my mind.

@AndreasSpiess 4 роки тому

For sure it has to do with the modem AT commands and I even have a list of them. But I do not know if I have to flash a particular software to use them, for example.

@ytubearbeit2944 3 роки тому

Now the LILYGO TTGO T-Beam V1.1 with SX1262 is available. Maybe there is a new satellite start coming up?

@AndreasSpiess 3 роки тому

I heard rumors that it will start in autumn...

@anjalik6524 3 роки тому

Can you make a video on edgeX A I module LORAWAN?

@AndreasSpiess 3 роки тому

This module is not in my price range for a sensor :-(

@cyanictempest 4 роки тому

I know its probably supposed to be read as 'Cube Cell' but I keep reading it as 'Lube Lell' which makes no sense.

@Matlalcueitl 4 роки тому

Same here.

@Art-fi7dr Рік тому

Great review. What is the cat's name? I bought the LoRa-E5 mini (STM32WLE5JC) and am trying to use it as a receiver for LoRa 1276 in a simple serial link application without going through the TTN website, but it's going so slow as I am too stupid to understand the protocols (I'm an EE with lots of Arduino ESP8266 experience but LoRa is new to me). I'll view more of your LoRa videos, but I'd love if you do one with the mini hosted by a Linux server. I agree with others who think your work is a godsend to the world!

@AndreasSpiess Рік тому

Thank you for your kind words. LoRa is a very slow protocol. So do not expect anything else. SF7 is the fastest. Maybe you use the LoRa library and its examples if not already done. Her name is Dishka, BTW

@jan.8879 2 роки тому

Has the compatibility situation with the heltec board to ttn changed? Is the software now standard compliant?

@AndreasSpiess 2 роки тому

I do not know :-(

@jan.8879 2 роки тому

@@AndreasSpiess I have bought one, it works but has a very low range with the standard antenna. Tomorrow will arrive a better antenna and I will test again. The Arduino software at least is working but is not so good documented

@jan.8879 2 роки тому

I have tried the new antenna and must say it's not good. I got only 600 m, but it was not line of sight is that normal, or should I get more range? I have looked in ttnmapper and the gateway I was connected has a wider range than that

@AndreasSpiess 2 роки тому

@@jan.8879 LoRa works well on line of sight. Everything else is a bonus ;-)

@saxpert 4 роки тому

Schönes Video, so ein Spektrumanalyser ist natürlich ein Traum. Bei 434mhz scheint der Chip nahezu die 22dB zu bringen. Ich habe zwei t-motion von lilygo zum Test, kann ihnen einen vorbei bringen bei Bedarf. Ist ein acsip s76g drauf aber kein wifi.

@AndreasSpiess 4 роки тому

Der Spectrum Analyzer war ein "Bubentraum" den ich mir im Alter erfüllen konnte. Andere träumen von einem Porsche... Betreffend Tests von anderen Modulen: Im Moment plane ich nichts in diesem Bereich. Vielen Dank für dein Angebot. Du kannst auch gerne mal so vorbei kommen...

@vgamesx1 4 роки тому

Well these are still too new but the nice thing is the old LoRa boards used to be a similar price to the new ones but now they're only about $3-4 a board, so they're way more affordable now.

@AndreasSpiess 4 роки тому

You are right.

@user-bo1bk6eg9n 3 роки тому

12:46 What is the device that measures power consumption? I want to buy it for my research.

@marcel151 3 роки тому

I think it is the Otii by Qoitech. www.qoitech.com/

@AndreasSpiess 3 роки тому

The other one is the www.joulescope.com/

@giovanninieddu2179 2 роки тому

Good Morning, I’m using some HTCC-AB01 like sender, I’m sending some value read from 5 sensors connected to their GPIO. I’m using also an HTCC-AB01 like receiver. I need to know how many HTCC-AB01 used like sender can be handle by one HTCC-AB01 used like receiver. Can you help me?

@AndreasSpiess 2 роки тому

This depends on the programs you use. Often it is only 1:1. Maybe you watch my LoRa introduction video if you want to understand LoRa networks with many nodes.

@ok4rm 3 роки тому

Is there any how-to/tutorial/example how to use Waveshare LoRa hat for Raspberry Pi (Pi Zero) which uses SX1262? Their own "wiki" feels a little bit confused (apparently translated from Chinese) and I cannot find any mention of the Waveshare Lora Hat in any documentation to any software, e.g. LoRa modules for Python for Raspberry. I don't know where to look for information - nothing relevant found even at stackexchange/stackoverflow. Especially, I am confused that SX1262 seems to have SPI interface (according to datasheet) but the Waveshare hat communicates over serial port (/dev/ttyS0 on Raspberry Pi Zero or USB adapter CP2102 from a PC). The most puzzling mystery is that serial communication with the hat works from Pi but does not work from PC, and also the command set described in Waveshare wiki does not match SX1262 command set. I was trying to find something but there seems to be literally nothing except Waveshare wiki.

@AndreasSpiess 3 роки тому

I never used Raspberries as nodes. They consume too much energy and are too expensive. So I do not know.

@ok4rm 3 роки тому

@@AndreasSpiess I see. I am using this one for experiments. However, I found the datasheet and finally was able to control the LoRa module (Ebyte E22-900T22S) both from Pi and from USB port. Unfortunately, for some reason, according to datasheet it can do only 1 MHz steps (although there should be SX1262 inside). It is weird, anyway. 30 EUR wasted, I am afraid.

@antonrimsky7128 2 роки тому

@@ok4rmAny success achieved? I am trying to do the same thing, LoRa modules for Python for Raspberry 4. I would be grateful for any advise.