Here are the timestamps. Please check out our sponsors to support this podcast. Transcript: lexfridman.com/andrew-huberman-4-transcript 0:00 - Introduction & sponsor mentions: - InsideTracker: insidetracker.com/lex to get 20% off - Eight Sleep: www.eightsleep.com/lex to get special savings - AG1: drinkag1.com/lex to get 1 month supply of fish oil - Shopify: shopify.com/lex to get $1 per month trial - NetSuite: netsuite.com/lex to get free product tour 1:31 - Exercise routine 7:42 - Advice to younger self 14:56 - Jungian shadow 19:42 - Betrayal and loyalty 39:52 - Drama 57:31 - Chimp Empire 1:02:24 - Overt vs covert contracts 1:08:31 - Age and health 1:14:39 - Sexual selection 1:25:15 - Relationships 1:37:49 - Fertility 1:48:15 - Productivity 2:05:02 - Family

Lex, it is such an honor and pleasure to sit down, in person, and discuss life and love, and all the rest with you. You’re an extraordinary human being whose positive contributions to humanity are cemented in history and there is far more to come. So grateful to have you as a friend and colleague. I love you brother. To the end!

Feels like there's a resurgence of healthy masculinity and male friendships in our culture right now, and I see the two of you at the very forefront of it. So much love for you guys. Inspired by your friendship and work together. Keep going, the world is better for it!

I just want to give Andrew a big collective hug for opening up.

These guys are such a perfect example of what the ideal male friendship should look like

HAPPY BIRTHDAY LEX! Thanks for making us a little less dumb over the years 🎉

That's an ominous intro by Lex. "I'm truly grateful for this life... I really don't want to leave just yet. I think I'd really like to stick around."

That was the most amazing heartfelt podcast with Andrew Huberman, I’ve ever seen. So special to have this rare glimpse into the souls of these two beautiful friends. It was an honor to watch this episode.

“Laughing at the absurdity of it all” is probably one of my greatest feelings these past few years. In three years I’ve lost 130 pounds. I’ve tackled everything I hated about my life. I’ve had so many ups and downs over the course of it, but I just keep moving forward. Every time I get close to having “The Life I Want”, something happens. Something takes me a step back, always. The closer I got the more it hurt to take a step back. One night I had a moment where I let it get to me bad. All the sudden I had this feeling of laughter come over me (was micro-dosing shrooms). I started maniacally laughing with tears in my eyes. I had this realization that there was never going to be a single point to make it to. If I kept trying to finish the race, I never would. I was thinking as if I needed to race to my goals, but the ultimate goal was a better life, and life’s not a race, it’s a journey. I focused so hard on the goal that I forgot to enjoy what I had worked for. I have accomplished so much. I have made so many changes to my life for the better. There is nothing about me that I have left to hate and it’s a little weird to me. I hardly remember this feeling. I no longer let set backs pull me down any harder than they should. Lately I’ve just laughed everything off. I let myself feel it, because I’m still human, then I laugh it off. I laugh it off and then adjust my goals accordingly. The closer I got to my ultimate goal, the less fulfilled I felt. Luckily I was able to move past that and finally enjoy my hard work. I can confidently say I’m the happiest, healthiest me I have ever been, and I can only move up from here. I still have goals to meet, but they’re always moving. They will forever be just ahead of me. I wish I had the drive to share my experience and knowledge like those who have helped me so much over the years, like Andrew & Lex, but that’s just not me. I will say this. Stay positive, work hard, don’t blame anyone else for your problems. Your life is your responsibility to improve and yours alone. Blaming anyone but yourself for your current reality will never serve you. The act of working to better your life, makes your life better. Don’t let anything hurt you any longer than it needs to. If you don’t meet a goal in the timeframe you wanted, forgive yourself and adjust, move forward. Set new goals always. Find peace within yourself, something to love in everyone, a reason to unite with another, and respect for all.

Andrew and Lex's bromance is reall... and i'm here for it!

I almost cried at the end of the episode. It's a privilege to witness the work and existence of these two men.

I have never felt this emotional during a podcast before. I cried twice during the two hours when I haven't cried once for the last year. Love you both so much. You guys are truly some of the most inspiring individuals period

The way they speak to each other is just so beautiful - the respect, interest, ease... can’t we all have conversations like this? I loved how Lex expressed openly like a man his fear of being in front if the camera alone, and how Andrew built him up by saying he’s a pioneer and he’s going places... that’s true friendship. ❤

Protect Andrew at all costs, this man is a gem

I get the sense that huberman has really done some self work in the past few years and you can really hear the peace in him and the dissipating fear of saying the wrong things it’s nice to see

Your conversation regarding a morning prayer ritual solidified my appreciation of you both. . . it was the only thing I ever felt was missing in your guidance and I am super psyched, ~because just like Andrew’s talk on alcohol, which gave so many permission to not drink, you just gave millions of people permission to pray. Big huge smile

Andrew - when you spoke about growing up without the right comprehensive guidance on how to live a healthy life, my own life fell into place. I was also born intensely curious and engaged, and I’ve realized as a child I never had anyone who could really teach me about myself as a human - especially not as a young woman with ADHD+, on the level I needed to understand, until you appeared. I love and respect how you’ve self-actualized as your own missing teacher, (is this the true path of life?), and the world is better because of your work and clear insight. Your podcast has changed and in a way saved my life recently, thank you for being an awesome answer to humanity’s call for conscious awareness and health. Thank you both from the bottom of my heart for being who you are. What a time to be alive.

Just this week I lost my best friend. We both used to watch your podcasts together. I am a fan of yours and Huberman. This is a gift... trying to numb the pain. Thank you. Love you too

"This episode was profoundly beautiful, resonating with various facets of human existence. What struck me the most was Andrew's disclosure of turning to prayer. I can relate to this sentiment, recognizing the division between possessing an analytical mind and acknowledging the vast unknown. Above all, I understand that there is something far more powerful than the self." thank you and happy birthday Lex.

I can hear Andrew's reluctance to go into the prayer thing but then to hear him basically voice the seventh step prayer gave me goosebumps... He put it perfectly, something bigger than me help me get out of my own way, take my defects of character that get in the way of my usefulness to you and my fellows. Beautiful. Absolutely outstanding Andrew.

I can't even lie, listening to Lex introduce this podcast, as one of spontaneity born of true friendship, made me tear up. Two beautiful souls, two of my biggest role models. What a treasure to be able to live in a time where I can be a fly on the wall during a conversation of such love and vulnerability, and get to experience such true friendship and wisdom. My deepest thanks to you both.

These two people always end up having great conversations.

I'm eternally greatful that you guys decided on doing this podcast. Being able to sit in on two bros chatting with such humility, being real and raw with their emotion and seeing their mutal respect and love for each other as people... it's such a privilege we get to experience this. Thank you to you both for all the value and incite you provide to this world.

The end of your conversation brought me to tears, 2 months ago I lost my 4-legged partner, who accompanied me for 11 years of life, it was impossible not to feel identified with some of his words, what a great podcast.

It's like watching two of your intelligent older brothers talking about life and you just sit their just wondering how lucky you are to be listening to these amazing older brothers of yours.

Beautiful. For those of us lacking human interaction, for whatever reason, listening to two friends talk is quite nice. Thank you.

Thank you Lex for letting your "internet friends" be part of your birthday. Because after sooo many hours of listening to you and Andrew, now it really feels like sitting at the table with you, enjoying a conversation of two of my friends. Please let me know when you find the answer to if we need to accept who we are, or stubbornly work on our flaws, even if they seem to be part of us. I really hope you'll find your home. Peace to you and all my fellow earthlings

The insights and openness re: therapy, love and spiritual beliefs, etc. are all so comforting to hear. Having these discussions and discoveries in an open forum are quite literally how you change the world for good. THANK YOU both for sharing and caring. The meek are getting ready.

Wish I had friends like that... The most touching, honest and beautiful episode I ever listened. Million thanks to you both!

so grateful for andrew talking so candidly about the prayer stuff in lieu of everything else not really working... really hits/resonates and inspiring to hear such a successful/together person talking about this stuff

Finally another Andrew Huberman episode! Love you Lex! Thank you for being a ray of sunshine in this often dark universe.

I cannot put into words how much validation and support I get from just hearing you two sit down and talk. It is to see such candid and thoughtful, curious minds be open about their experience of life, that reinforces in my mind that I have the same approach to life, and that it's valid. It's through the understanding that great minds, who I respect so dearly, struggle with much of what I do to, that informs my struggles of their legitimacy. It's seeing you both demonstrate a similar curious and what many may call dangerous or "emotional" approach to life that leaves me empowered to ignore the cynics who stand in the way of my similar approach in my own life. You two are much needed role models for people like me, thank you so much for just being you and sitting down to talk about it. Never stop.

Please don't shorten your podcast Dr. Huberman. They are perfect. There is a lot to learn from you and we don't need shortcuts 🌹 Thanks for all you do!

Tearing up alongside Andrew with his recollection of what family is to him, what a beautiful and meaningful podcast, thank you Lex and Andrew

"I think I was born genetically to hug people". Lol Love you Lex, thanks man 🤙

Huberman Lab podcast has changed my life. For that, I will be forever grateful. I've also been able to pass it along to my adult children so they can have a better life. My son is in San Diego and applying for all the colleges. I hope and pray he gets a professor that's half as inspirational as Andrew Huberman. Same for you Lex. Same for you. Such an inspiration. Thank you.❤

omg guys, this is probably my fav interview of all. How beautiful your friendship is. Thank you Lex for making Andrew comfortable to talk about personal staff, I literally cried couple of times, never seen him being so open in personal topics, and of course it is also a self work that made it possible to speak about prays, family split and of wow ... Castello. How Andrew absolutely fairly lift you up as a unique interviewer and a friend is just beautiful. Oh you two are such an inspiration! Just thank you, you are actually making my life better, I am always so motivated to work harder and seeking my own peace after your podcasts!

More impressed with Andrew than ever. His self development journey is music to the ears and I'm so pleased that so many are able to hear that this is possible and have guidance for how to do so. Thank you Andrew, thank you Lex. And happy birthday buddy!

i appreciate how relaxed and open Huberman is with Lex. I never knew he was into punk rock.

Such a great episode. Being able to access this type of knowledge and wisdom at any time from pretty much anywhere is truly a blessing ❤

Beautiful. There is no better podcast than when you two get together. It always fills my heart, beyond giving me knowledge to use in my life. Congratulations and thank you! Looking forward to the next one.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, LEX-! It's no surprise you and Andrew bond in such a deep friendship - you're kindred souls for sure. Isn't it an amazing technological time we live in that people like you and Andrew can identify each other and create and attract such wondrous online communities. I'm personally so grateful for the both of you…sending heaps of love and peace your way.

Happy Birthday Lex! Here's to celebrating another year of the most compassionate and understanding interviewer of our time ❤

One of the most diversely informative and interesting podcasts I’ve heard in a long time. I love and appreciate the genuine bromance and the peek into who they are as people.

Thank you both for your vulnerability, insight and and genuineness. Watching you has truly inspired me and raised my awareness of a blind spot Ive had for some time... this feeling that "something's missing" relayed to past events not in my control. You both are incredible human beings. Thank you so much for sharing this.

Didn't expect to cry at the end of this, but I enjoyed those tears. I admire and appreciate you both for putting these conversations out for us to hear and use for our own growth.

Happy birthday Lex! Thank you for working to make the world a more informed and loving place 🎉

I know this podcast is from 5 months ago but I also know that I’ve been watching all of your podcasts, that seem to come on every night, only after I’ve fallen asleep watching another show. But, I wake up to your calming, reassuring voice. I hear the wisdom that streams from your consciousness and I watch in awe of your gift of being a tremendously talented interviewer all the while wishing that I had just an ounce of the talents you possess. All that to say, I see this heartfelt, soulful opening to this particular podcast, and I will no longer be just a fan that watches when you pop on unexpectedly…. I will seek out this goodness. The world needs more of you Lex. ❤

I am so happy to hear about Andrew praying to his higher power, prayer works. It is so lovely to hear this from a science minded, if you will, individual. God is not "provable", so we have to strictly believe. There have been so many times in my life that I have forgotten to pray, lost touch with God, then as soon as I pray, I immediately feel the Holy Spirit comfort me and I feel almost guilty for neglecting my relationship with God. Thank you for sharing this personal information. Lex, I can't tell you how much I adore you. In my opinion, you are the best at interviewing such brilliant people. It amazes me how brilliant you are, as you always do your homework prior to your podcasts and you're always well prepared for the content. You ask excellent questions, you never come across as being uninterested or superior to your fellow humankind (us), if the interviewee gets off topic, you reel them back in and keep the conversation interesting, you know when to end the interview, and you allow for all the time you need when the information is so interesting, I can't get enough. I love the way you think, so in depth, you speak with such eloquence. I love your spirit, I can see that you are a very kind soul. I love how you are so down to earth and real. I feel like I know you, and you're my good friend. Whenever I have downtime, I watch one of your podcasts, I thoroughly enjoy watching and listening to you. Thank you for getting out there, making this happen, and persevering to the point you have. I respect you deeply and watch you everyday. PS. I think the 3 of us are around the same age and I have never thought you and Andrew's relationship was anything more than great friends, neither of you come across as being (do I dare say, gay?) and it wouldn't matter if you were, but I know you're not, lol. You're both comfortable with who you are and in my opinion, are on point with everything you say. Very sincerely, with much love and great respect, Jen 🧡

In what seems like a twisted act of fate, I stumbled into this episode a couple of hours after literally going through a difficult breakup for the reasons Andrew mentioned in the very intro, which was kind of soothing. I have so much respect and love for both of you, you've both improved my life since I found you a year ago. Thank you.

Everyone deserves a friend like Andrew

Thank you, both. Your honest introspection has influenced my life in ways, inexpressible.

Peace is when I have the luxury to go for long walks and listen to these two amazing souls. I am so fortunate to have my birthday close to Lex. Happy birthday Lex and thank you for making mine happy, too!

Been traveling, been lost, walking at MIT by the water, thinking about how Lex might have run on the same trail. Thank you for such a timing and loving conversation, it gave me the peace I just happened to need. Love❤

Your little speech about wanting to live in the intro is something I needed to hear this morning. God bless you Lex ❤

The end made Dr Huberman more relatable to me than any other podcasts - his own and others. To see and feel the depth of his emotions humanised him in my eyes. He has shared stories of his past before, but I cannot ever recall him sharing those stories with any emotion. They were more recounting of facts. Nothing more. I'm not saying that he needed or needs to. It's his right to choose what and how he shares. I'm only saying that he in that moment was one of us fallible beings. The end was very intimate (in-to-me-see). ❤

Such loyal friends and it shows! Praying for both of you. God bless you!

Listening now, but I just had to pause to say I am greatful for both of you. Your work has helped me in so many ways. Thank you from the bottom of my heart.

I feel incredibly grateful to be able to hear conversations like this. Thank you both so very much!!

It takes a real man to feel. To cry. To be strong but show weakness when it is needed. I love these two men❤

This is just priceless! I'm grateful for having access to all this information you are sharing. And grateful that you both have motivation and will to share your knowledge and intelligence!

This was so beautiful and I’m grateful to have been able to be witness it. The vulnerability you both showed- being human. You both are amazing . RIP Costello 💙💙🌌🙌🏼

Happy birthday Lex. The podcast has been a source of happiness, thoughts, understanding, peace, and meditation for me over the years and I can’t thank you enough for it. You don’t know me but I really appreciate you!

It is such a great pleasure to witness the amazing conversation delivered by the two of you. This episode makes me to try to find "love" that I used to hate so much in my past.

Incredible talk. I had a feeling of having a conversation with my very close friends. So heart enriching. Thank you!

This episode made me smile so much. Two awesome genuine people

You will fucking stay around Lex. Don't you think something else. We're in this together

In all seriousness, this podcast left me wanting more. Just over 2hrs...with these two...just not good enough. This should have gone on for many more hours. The love and respect here is supreme. Thanks for what you both do.

Of all the things we learn from these guys, the thing which is most overlooked is that they teach the value of giving by simply doing.

I really love you Lex. From just another face on the internet across the country, world, whatever. Being able to open and free to speak your mind... to be vulnerable, it's beautiful to see in this world. You made me well up with tears in your introduction, because I came to that same conclusion. I don't want to leave yet, there are a lot of interesting people to talk to, a lot of interesting people to interview, more books to read, more books to write. I can't wait to do more. We all love you Lex, even those who say they don't.

"Marriage, in the truest sense, is where you experience a Greater Reality in a relationship. True marriage is not merely going to the church and taking vows. True marriage is a bonding, a surrender, a commitment. It is the bonding of your mind and body, those things which have been the pinnacle of your separate identity, to another." Relationships and Higher Purpose, by MV Summers (free online book)

I feel so lucky to get to celebrate Lex Fridman‘s birthday with him and watch these two brilliant men have such a pleasant dialogue. What a couple of super cool people.

There are moments in this conversation where my eyes actually welled up with tears. Thank you for being so vulnerable in this conversation, and thank you for being excellent role models for younger men like myself.

Just when I was about to start going through old podcasts, Lex drops this gem. Thank you!

Andrew is such a great human being that offers great advice and what’s so special is that he doesn’t give advice that he hasn’t followed himself and that’s something special nowadays.

Happy Birthday Lex. Amazing podcast thank you both for being candid and open helping us all here with what you shared. God bless

The two of you together. Magic. You found love in each other (platonic I understand) and are spreading it. Teaching, facing the hard parts...awesome.

Happy birthday, Lex! Wish you all the best! I’m a big fan and I look up to you everyday, and I think everyone who’s subscribed to you does. And I wanna become very versatile like you. Keep up the good work🙌🏻

Our favourite dynamic duo of conversations!

Thank you Andrew for sharing such hurtful moments of your life, the death of your beloved dog, and showing your tears and how vulnerable person you are. Thank you for not being ashamed of showing real emotions. My heart warmed up when I listened to your story and also how you both men treat each other, with such a respect and sympathy. It was a true pleasure to listen to this interview. Loads of love guys .

Amazing interview/discussion! I appreciate the transparency and insights from you both. Thank you!

Boy I need to hear this rn, thanks to you both.

What an honor to share in the conversation between two beautiful souls engaging in the art of becoming and of cultivating a generous way of being in the world. Seeing you both engaging in it with such wisdom and heartfelt care is deeply inspiring. I too volunteer to pull up a chair in the corner to work on my book while the video is rolling!

This is beautiful beyond words. Thank you so much Lex and Andrew. @Andrew, your insights are invaluable and enriching

So touched to see Lex treasure his friendship in such a genuine heartfelt way!❤❤Two beautiful beautiful souls embracing and dancing together!

Happy Birthday Dear Lex! Dr. Huberman is a gem. I appreciate what you both bring to this world and love the bond you two share. Keep at it!!!😇

What a gem from both these gentlemen - 2 Gurus of the podcast world. Their friendship shows how synced they are and this helps elicit golden nuggets of wisdom from both their lives. Have to listen to this again 👍👍

I listened to this podcast without distractions and with so much focus, and that, along with what I learnt from this conversation, has brought me a lot of peace.

Incredibly refreshing candor! Such an informative, warm, & earnest conversation.

This meant a lot, thank you guys for your awesome work and collaborative insight. Helping so many of us grow and learn with humbleness and passion. Peace n love

God Bless the two of you. Idk where I would be without you and the others.

Simply Brilliant! Insightful to hear!

I've lost so many loved ones in recent years and it has been brutal. Something that helps me is instead of mourning their absence, I imagine they're with me in spirit. I talk to them, ask them questions, share experiences, jokes, anecdotes etc, just as we did when they were still in their physical bodies.

One of the best and most intimate podcasts by Andrew! And Happy birthday Lex!

I love that Lex mentioned loyalty and "what to do about it." I've decided that it's crucial. People in my life can be human and make mistakes but the loyalty factor won't change and that's ok.

What a beautiful, heartwarming conversation between two souls with profound love and respect for one another…I feel honored to have watched & listened✨ what the workd would be if we all had a love like Andrew & Costello… I mean, bring on the crocodile tears on that clip!😭 So bittersweet. Thank you both for sharing your hearts.❤️🙏

I have listen to this episode twice already, that’s how much I enjoyed the topics you both discussed. I need more please!😊

Happy Birthday, Lex. Thank you for enlightening us with your podcasts. God bless you🙏✨

This was a wonderful and warm discussion. Thank you guys 🙏

beautiful interview. textured, soulful.. a delight to come across this podcast.