Regardless of whether or not you implicitly predict the results of benchmarks, the premise of the whole video is wrong. The cryptic details, for example are you referring to single or multi core etc etc, is there just to cover your arse. The premise is wrong because you state there will be insignificant performance increases and you go on devising a scenario why this is so involving people leaving Apple and whatever have you, but the initial benchmarks show that overall performance increases are not insignificant. That is the gist. Now tell me I did not understand the premise of this video. If I did not then nobody else did and that is probably not the fault of the audience.

You don't understand the premise of the video. When Apple didn't release any performance numbers, I went looking and found the iPad numbers. That is the premise of the video, the numbers that Apple published.

@@razisn apple fan-boy alert!

@@GaryExplains This was an awesome, well researched, balanced video. Thank-you for your channel! you cover things that are important but not covered much elsewhere. AMAZING CHANNEL!

Indeed I know nothing of the architecture. The point is that I am using Apple's numbers.

>(iii) It doesn’t appear they’d benefit from it unless it’s exactly same which is not the case. The mask for the A15 die and A14 die will be considerably different. Primarily for two reasons, 1. The A15 has more cache 2. The A15 has more transistors That alone makes it different enough that you can’t apply the same economy of scale as some other product, like, let’s say, a two models of a car from same brand using same seats and interior but physically different from outside A chip is Made as a single unit, by etching silicon wafer with lasers. You need to use different masks to mask the A14 and 15 if they’re so dissimilar. >(v) You’re actually forgetting the GPU. By far, GPU dues are very large compared to GPU dies. The GPU takes the most amount of area on an SoC, and considering the fact that apple has utilised a 5core GPU option in a15, they have lesser space for cpu unless they increase die area. Increase in die area reduces yields and increases costs. So apple deliberately had to nerf the cpu gains this year and focus on GPU. This sudden focus on GPU could be the effect of ExynosXAMD tieup or simply a bigger margin to ensure that 120Hz works well on pro models. The iPad has 5cores because it’s more tha 1440p while iPhone 13 is just a little over 1080p. iPhone 13Pro is same as the iPhone 13 in resolution, but due to 120Hz, needs more GPU grunt. So apple just had to use better gpus if they wanted 120hz on iPhone. A lot of so called “cheap androids with 120hz” have actually very weak processors and their GPU can’t even handle 60Hz gaming let alone 120hz for demanding titles like pubg mobile or genshin impact.

@@shresthsonkar9207 True. However, I wasn't really talking regarding the economies of scale. There was a recent rumour that intel has secured a majority of the production capacity of TSMC. Ang given the tight schedule they could've only made incremental design than a radical change. There was another rumor that Apple has reportedly forecasted an increase in iPhone sales so they started production early which wouldn't have given them enough time to properly redesign a next-gen core. TBH this one seems unlikely as knowing apple, my gut feel is they went for efficiency rather than performance knowing that the competition is way behind.

ii - that's an interesting point. We should find out if that's a valid reason when new Pro's actually ship.

We already had a similar situation with the A12x and A12z right? Also it could be because the M1x is delayed, they didn’t want to have the A series to outperform it.

in regards to apples reasoning - there is actually a 5th explanation which I think you would agree is the correct answer, and that is that there is a correlation between how much they lie, and how much dick they suck.

It happened to apple before. Thats when Steve personally wrote the iconic email to IBM. Wish he was alive today again.

They didn’t lose their entire team. They still have a lot of good people in their silicon team. They’re most likely just investing a lot into ARM V9 and will have a big architectural change for that.

Exactly, look how Intel is now recovering getting their lost talent back as of late

Execs will still be awarding themselves the bonus for just existing.

@@nicovandyk3856 exactly.

every captured employee is sacred. *NOT* every h1b contractor is great.

won't that be fun for the big software companies, to have to continuously re write there software for ever changing apple pc cpus. LOL And yes, apple will provide a compatibility layer/mode that will run the legacy software but in a less robust state.

@@1MinuteFlipDoc They wouldn't have to, Arm V9 is still Arm... what you're saying is that when Apple, Qualcomm and Samsung switch from Arm V8 to Arm V9, all Arm based apps... which is basically every app on the App Store and play store would have to be rewritten..? No, that's not how it works. Its like when AMD came out with a brand new X86 architecture, it's a new, but it's still X86, it will run all apps coded for X86 natively. When Apple launches Arm V9 based SOC, you won't need any translation layer because the apps are written for Arm, and Arm V9 is still Arm, it will run apps natively.

@@1MinuteFlipDoc arm v9 is confirmed to have backwards compatibility with v8

@@1MinuteFlipDoc And that's why Microsoft is stuck with x86 forever with Winblows. Meanwhile Apple being bold, threw off x86 without any resent.

Dude beczz snap processor and other processor seems catching up to apple soo maybe this year apple might loose the streak

Probably the main reason why they are not really pushing the CPU performance further, because the N5P vs N5 at TSMC gives them 10% less power consumption too, so in overall it will generate less heat in lower models, and they have the extra heat capacity for the 5th GPU core if needed.

Seems they've gone all out on power efficiency so yes it should be cooler with the rest of the phone generating less heat.

It's not really like that.

@@a.thales7641 CPU performance will increase don’t see it increasing as fast as it used to do in the old days, these days it’s more towards what they can add to offload the burden to a CPU

upcoming pixel 6 will use chipset based on upcoming exynos mid range proceesor exynos 9855 with google ai built in to it not the next flasgship one the exynos 9925 which will comes in next samsung phones it performace will be no where near apple or basically any flasg ship proccesors from last 3 years or more. pixel 6 won't even be powerful as iphone 7 and sd 835/ 845 from last 4 year.i kinda see it coming as they used sd 765 midrange proceesor as they it from qualcomm in pixel 5 which is alot alot worse than sd 855 flagship chipset on pixel 4 as it the mid range one .they do not care about power anymore they think something like i phone 6s raw performace will be enough with optimization.if that was apple then they could of can just stuck i phone x A11 or xs A12 as it still more can provide more performace in long term/ smooth experince than qualcomm lastest sd 888 in like 3 years uses or more so.

@@supermegapowerg1188 I was talking about camera sensor not SoC. That said, the P6 is rumored to have 2 X1 cores now, which if that's the case it'll be the fastest android phone on the market. I hope that's the case because earlier rumors had me feeling good, but not great about it.

@@hdwblade lol no it litreally been confirmed based on upcoming exynos mid range chip with google tensor ai built in to it. it won't be even most fastest android phone even if it exist 4years ago it a midrang chip

@@supermegapowerg1188 ever heard of hilisilicon Kirin processors they are also better than or equal to A bionic processors in gaming

@@supermegapowerg1188 You're so wrong it hurts bro google the rumors

If that was its aim then it should have mentioned it in the presentation or in the press release.

@@GaryExplains I don't think they would mention that kind of thing in a press release. Most users probably wouldn't know what it meant.

@@perforongo9078 Except they did in previous years. 🤦‍♂️

Nope, the heat dissipation is worst than 12 pro

And people kept saying the face I'd would now work with masks on 😏, iphone don't innovate shit.

No WiFi 6 wtf

@e93 yep we know. It's a joke.

If Qualcomm manages to get Nuvia cores on the processor after Snapdragon 898, that would put them directly at the top or atleast on par with apple

A15 has throttling issues much more then a14

single thread performance on phones is satisfactory in my opinion. any snapdragon chip after the 845 will probably get you by for a few more years.

@@user-pj6oc5gy2q Depends on what you do with it. I play COD Mobile and that game brings the iPhone 12PM down to its knees that it throttles within 5 minutes (on low graphic settings). I think it’s going to be much harder for foundries to go past 5nm or 3nm in the same time frame it took them to jump between previous generations though; but whatever is coming later, is going to be much sweeter.

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@@GaryExplains MARK!!! How have you been bud?

@@KaushalNiraula *KAUSHAL NIRAULA!* Going as well as expected, how about you?

No. My analysis was before the devices were released based on Apple's info. Please see the pinned comment. I am very happy with my analysis.

A16 will be using tsmc 4nm node which isn't much of an upgrade from tsmc 5nm node

So you are blaming it on the process node, which is completely wrong. Look at AMD, same N7 node but Zen 2 -> Zen3 was a 20% performance boost. Similarly look at Intel, same 10nm node but Willow Cove -> Golden Cove is also a 20% performance boost.

@@ahsanqureshi786 Conroe which bought revolutionary improvements gen over gen also used the same node as it's predecessor

@@Harish2923 yep

This just isn’t true. I can’t remember the last time there was no appreciable CPU performance increase from year to year. This might be the first time as far as iPhones go actually

TSMC N4 is not a full step up from N5, it belongs to the N5 family, you can take N4 as a improved N5 with better yeild. While N3 will be a full step upgrade from the N5 family, with different design rules. But it will only enter mass production in 2022H2, so I guess the M2 ( or a complete new architecture) will be designed with N3 in minds. And will not be available near the end of 2022.

@@veda9151 it’s a 4nm process.

@@melgross You mean from TSMC? Their 4nm process ( I refers as N4 ) isn't much of a new node from their current 5nm process. You know their process name didn't actually mean the size of transistors ( or even related to density of transistors) ? So 5 to 4 isn't the same degree of improvement as 4 to 3. It's not much more than a brand name.

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I didn’t know you watch Gary Explains! I’m shocked to see your comment! But I am excited to see you and Gary’s tests.

Source of the leak?

@@ander1482 fronttron who leaks information on Apple, Samsung, and many other brands. You can check out my community posts, I posted these leaks there as well as detailed information

@@DameTech and geekbench 5 for the cpu was posted short while ago, about 10% increase in the multicore and 7.5% in the single core. so far....it's just a couple of tests and a 1 benchmark, but thats an indicator.

that's great news for someone who plays graphically demanding games like genshin or honkai like me

Nah, A14 In The iPad Air Is Still Faster Than A15! That's Because iPhones Have Very Poor Heat Management

@@abhinavhimself iPad air a14 have extra CPU and big device.so easily manage heat. Maybe Next iPad air a15x will faster than upcoming a16. Because of extra CPU.

@@abhinavhimself iPhone only used 6xCore dude different than iPad

Because they would look embarrased.

some guys already do benchmark. here is a comparison between iPad Air 4 and mini 6, A14 vs A15 ukposts.info/have/v-deo/cZpjd4pqj4eLlKs.html iPad mini 6 is just a little taster. no different in real life usage.

No, as I said in the video there are changes including the bigger system cache, probably the use of LPDDR5 etc. I said in the video that I expect the A15 to be between 5% and 10% better for single core CPU.

Yes, it's still using tsmc 5nm node

@@Harish2923 I am surprised I thought it would be TSMC 4nm.

It's dirt cheap for Qualcomm. They've struck a gold mine.

@@deadlypyre Yup NUVIA are projecting that their core will achieve anything between 1750 to 2050 in geekbench single core.

@@Shadowed007 wow that's very impressive, any news on when it's gonna come to the market ?

@@deadlypyre probably not until 2023

1.4bn might not be the whole story, besides this nuvia now gets access to the vast technical and financial resources of a bigger company. Liberating them to execute on a more ambitious scale than they could've when operating a promising start-up.

@@AnuragYadav-jw1dq Because Qualcomm have to controll the cost to make profits out of OEMs unlike Apple.

@@AnuragYadav-jw1dq not even half lol Apple a14 has 8mb L2 cache while Snapdragon 888 has 1/2mb L2 cache

@@darshan5726 Yes but Qualcomm use 3 level caching , they have bigger l3 cache as it's cheaper to integrate but slower than l2 l1 . While apple uses only 2 level caching. Qualcomm compensate it with the High bandwidth memory controller which reduces the fetch time but not enough to beat apple . It's simple Cache=Ca$h

@@AnuragYadav-jw1dq yes I know but L3 is no match against huge L2 cache! No silicon company has ever integrated such huge L2 cache

@@darshan5726 Problem not the implementation , but the cost . L2 cache will eat a significant die area and no company other than apple can afford it to sell at profits . See the die area of an apple soc and a corresponding Snapdragon soc , its 20-25% bigger . Although qualcomm tries hard to manage the shortcomings with best in class designs see how qualcomm GPUs r slightly more powerful than apple. Also qualcomm uses the die area saved to integrate modems and other components , while apple uses separate modem chip.

Ah, nice way to judge someone by their clothing. Good job.

Not from zero, but to upgrade an existing processor line. From literally zero to CPU would take longer.

Clock speed would be possible, but tough. 3 GHz, in the A14, is already quite high for an Arm CPU; maybe 3.1 GHz which is 3% at best?

A 2.5 hr increase in battery life for the 13 Pro Max vs 12 Pro Max would suggest a dramatic increase in the power efficiency of the A15, even considering the slightly large battery. But yeah, we can only know for sure after the actual physical units are out in the wild.

​@@tabularasa9554 CPU efficiency is not very relevant for Apple's battery life claims, which all revolve around video / audio playback (which is offloaded). Apple battery life is more dependent on display / network / decoder efficiency, not CPU efficiency. The leap is massive this year, for example, in video playback streamed: 25 hours on the 13 Pro Max vs 12 hours on the 12 Pro Max.

@@ikjadoon as I said, I don’t expect much CPU performance boost, although I do expect to see perhaps ~10% due to a possible clock speed bump, bigger cache, and less speed throttling due to power efficiency gains. Nothing drastic. Some of the speed gains might come in multi-core performance as the efficiency cores might be able to run a bit faster due to efficiency gains. But aside from the extra GPU core on the Pro models, the things likely to see the biggest performance gains are things that heavily use the Neural Engine as that’s the only part that looks to have gotten any significant performance bump.

@@geoffstrickler Sure, we agree. We haven't seen "drastic" CPU performance increases in a single generation by any CPU manufacturer in 4+ years (Bulldozer -> Zen; Prescott -> Conroe), so "drastic" has never been the expectation. Apple certainly has never shipped a drastic improvement in a single generation (maybe A8 -> A9 w/ 29% IPC uplift). I'd hope for neural net, but the hard part is quantifying neural network performance beyond Arm / Apple / Qualcomm / Samsung / Intel / AMD technical marketing; I haven't seen many validated cross-platform benchmarks except perhaps MLPerf.

Benchmark is not everything

You're half correct. Apple's current machine-learning matrices are barely used, so machine learning is kinda pointless to keep pushing on the Mac. The M1's "AI Coprocessor" is really just a low-precision multiplication matrix, it's barely usable with modern networks, much less future ones. Media encoders are *definitely needed* though, since ARM lacks more complex, optimized instructions to parse common codecs with.

I think it's just because they are currently far ahead of Qualcomm, Samsung, MediaTek that there's no point in saying the same thing over and over again

@@whiterabbit8675 That's bullshit, if it were true then they wouldn't plaster your screen with all these "50% faster" strawmen. If they want to follow through, then they ought to stand and deliver like a proper hardware company. Maybe it's the least we can expect from the world's most valuable hardware manufacturer.

@did dont know, 6s still works great

@@dial2616 not really, if we compare the a14 to the snapdragon 888, apple is about 55% ahead in terms of CPU performance and 40% ahead in GPU performance. Yes you could probably argue that the CPU performance didn't get a big leap this year but why would apple make bad publicity for themselves. And apple isn't a "proper CPU and GPU maker", apple caters to a different audience than what Intel, Amd or Nvidia does

Transistors, not operations

@@daniel_960_ no, it’s 11.8 billion transitors* and 11 billion operations per second for A14

@ProMo huh yes you're right. Missed the operations part in the presentation. Interesting how it's the same numbers.

Eh? That is talking about the Neural Engine and ONLY the Neural Engine.

Snapdragon 888+ with 32 TOPS.....

I’m not sure about the Pro models, but since iPhone 13 can do 4K60 Dolby vision, iPhone 13 and mini surely are 6GB. iPhone 13 pro and max might be 8GB but I’m inclined to think it’s 6GB. That’s the pattern apple has been following iPhone X/8+/8 : 3GB iPhone XS/max : 4GB, iPhone XR : 3GB iPhone 11/pro/max : 4GB iPhone 12/mini : 4GB, iPhone 12Pro/max : 6GB So this year, by observing this pattern, it seems all iPhones should be having 6GB Ram.

Performance always increased year on year, and probably still did. But there's only so many transistors you can put in a phone really. I mean, 15 *billion*? That's bat sht insane.

@@sprockkets Yes, but they were never making Macs based on their chips before now. Year over year improvements aren’t common in Macs, and I think iPhones will start to match up to their upgrade cycle as far as processors go

Intel didn't hit the ceiling, they were just complacent and lazy which is why apple and AMD both are threatening their future stake in the cpu market.

We will never hit the ceiling. Small tiny improvements is better for these companies so they can keep selling new junk.

@@Kareem-cx4fi Exactly

The A14 was 5nm.

@@GaryExplains oh my bad. So this year they are making money without any major inovation. The most profitable Iphone ever 🤣

@@sreesanker hello not every year chip size is smaller because it takes time to adapt new chip technology. Android also still 5 nm. Iphone always ahead than android when it talk about performance

true af a good amount of midrange android phones can't keep up with apple silicon after a year's release

@@samsonsanthosh Midrange phones have midrange cpus. Of course they can't keep up with Apple's flagships.

Well, they can beat A14 because Exynos 2200 looks very promising but A15 just a little remote

Apple only has 15% smartphone market share because consumers don't give a crap about processes.

@@FreezeFun what I meant was alot of people claim that midrange devices can match flagship performance But as soon as they become old news games and apps get unoptimised and/or demanding on Android *Cough* Snapchat still sucks on Android and we still don't have the option to use our own audio for snaps

Except of course there wasn't a previous "M" chip to compare it with.

No

You'll probably have to wait for the next iteration. Who knows maybe they will upgrade the iPad Mini next year with better refresh rate among other specs.

Because their hardware is so outdated the only they can market is meaningless performance improvements and side gimmicks.

The A14 was so beastly they could afford to slack off on performance gains and focus on efficiency lol

Lol, its funny how Apple peasants are easily fooled.

@@_h1tman_ people who don't appreciate the amazing things apple do with software and hardware every year are even worse than those apple peasants/apple sheep you speak of. And I'm an android user

That would actually be the better move. Performance is already plenty but making it more efficient is a big plus for battery life and heat management.

@@daniel_960_ ya and making those batteries easily removable would also make repairs easier

Every soc has gpu integrated. 😂

And yours is a comment that these sections need 👏🏼

I concur. I was surprised by how marginal the A15 seems contrasted to the A14 after so many years of large performance jumps each generation.

I would expect the GPU to be "up" with the extra core. As I said in the video.

@@GaryExplains the cpu ain’t lagging either over 4,800 is a good improvement. And I don’t think amd and Qualcomm are getting near to the A15 gpu in pro .

Well, it is too early to make any definitive statements. 1) I don't trust "leaked" Geekebench scores. Other people are commenting here about leaked scores and they are different to the ones you are quoting. 2) We don't know what the next Adreno GPU will be like. 3) We don't know what AMD's GPU will be like in the Exynos. 4) All we have at the moment is Apple's numbers, which is what I use in the video.

It actually refers to GPU. Even I was baffled. Turns out, iPhone 13/mini have a 4core GPU in A15. But iPhone 13Pro/max have 5 core gpus. In iPhone 13 gpus, one core is disabled due to binning.

@@shresthsonkar9207 that makes a lot of sense. weird way to describe it tho

Couldn't agree more! Your comment summarised whats in my mind about Gary and his analysis on this subject, thank you!

What does SoC mean?

@@fledgling5616 System On a Chip

Only trick the have is good marketing. Apple is dead and has been for several years. Thank God for US protectionism...lol

@@msp5138 so is Google and microsoft, in fact the technology today has lost it's innovations so much so that useless folding phones are what we call innovation. The technology is so boring today, when you compare it to 15 years ago where every tech products had something called soul. Music players, touchscreen displays, *SKEUOMORPHISM* etc.

Actually, M1 is about 10% faster than A14 even in single core because the M1 has Firestorm@3.2GHz and Icestorm@2.0GHz A14 has firestorm@2.9GHz and icestorm@1.8GHz Apple can easily clock M1X upto 3.5GHz as the laptops with this chip will have dual fans unlike the single fan in iMac and MacBook Pro and no fan in iPad Pro and MacBook Air Apple is likely waiting for ARMv9 to show its cards. Maybe also add Raytracing and VRS to the GPU next year?

Results are here m.ukposts.info/have/v-deo/cGR3laqCpX6Zq30.html

Transistor size isn't the problem here as the A15 is using the same process node as the A14, ie. 5nm. The question is about the microarchitecture.

We still don't know if the exynos uses the same gpu as the steam deck

@@DrAdityaReddy notebookcheck reportedly said this. However the steam deck has more cores than there will be in the Exynos. Likely also clocked lower. And built on Samsung 5nm instead of TSMC 7nm like present AMD APUs are.

@@shresthsonkar9207 I believe it's the same architecture but not the same gpu

Many of the midrange androids have Snapdragon 870 in them so your argument is completely trashed and many game's on playstore supports 120 fps so get your facts right before writing bs. 870 runs Genshin Impact with consistent smooth performance, even iphone 12 can't do that.

Nothing changed really. I say in the video that there is likely going to be a 5 to 10% CPU increase based on Apple's claim that it is 50% faster than the competition. To quote me at 06:13, "we will expect the A15 to be better in benchmarks." Which it is.

Result m.ukposts.info/have/v-deo/cGR3laqCpX6Zq30.html

@@bombbossgaming3408 so your point?

@@bombbossgaming3408 you do realize that’s cpu improvement correct? And i am talking about gpu in my comment, the results are A15 beats almost every phone’s chipset out there running on low performance mode while consuming half of all competitor’s chipset wattage let that sink in for a second