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he gave everything to chess and it shows. GOAT

yes, but it seems as though he had everything except what he truly longed for; real love, i think that is partly what drove him insane.

@@benjastuff1347 Precisely. Lonely men look at Fischer and admire him and think they're going to be great just like him ("Who needs the world!" they say in their heads) Odds are, Fischer obsessed over chess to escape the abandonment from his mother and his father. It was soul-crushing for him. Which is why he led such a solitary life even as he was preparing to be World Champion. Then...poof...gone for 20 years. We lost probably a decade of peak Fischer because of his mental health issues driven not by chess but by his lack of community and lack of trust in anyone. Magnus, on the other hand, comes from a stable family and had a loving father who doted on him. And he has the all time peak rating, held all three World Championships at once, and was the 5-time reigning champion who keeps reinventing chess, and will probably live a long, happy, satisfied, fulfilling life with his mates and whomever he settles down with. I'd rather be Magnus all day, every day.

@@zer0h0urs000 And I find your stock psychoanalysis oversimplistic, as stock psychoanalysis tends to be....I've read several biographies of Fischer....he wasn't so much 'abandoned' by his mother, as much as he pushed her away...they were both fiercely independent, headstrong geniuses with their own ambitions, in a tiny NYC apartment....someone had to go....Fischer asked her to leave (or demanded she leave), and it was best for both of them...Bobby got the place to himself, and Regina went on to pursue her medical studies abroad

Cursive - Lol..

ME TOO...LOL

anti-semitism?

Was he a genuise? He loved the game and practiced ALL the Time

@@albreiki5725 What does that have to do with him hating jews?

Old Uncle Bob pretty cool story!!

And bobby probably wasnt complaining about your level as garry kasparov who was furious when hed found out that one of the players was 2000-2200 :D garry wanted to play only amateurs on exhibition match so he could crush them all in 5 minutes and be perceived as a genius :D of course garry was a fantastic player, but his ego is huge

Kasparov had a right to be angry in that situation since he had asked what the rankings were of all the players attending and they didn't mention the 2000 elo player so he wasn't putting the due amount of concentration he would've put if he had known the elo of the guy. I'm pretty sure any pro would've been angry about being misled that way especially if they had asked ahead of time

can you post your game somewhere, id love to go over it

My game? My games arent interesting, im an average player Do you have chesscom account? If you do, write your login so i can send you a challenge

So Tal or Spassky were unlucky to be born in the USSR? That´s a pretty weird take. Had Fischer been a soviet citizen, he would still have been an amazing player, regardless of him having the support of the state. I mean, he read all their books and articles, anyway..

@@fundhund62 Doubt it.

@@fundhund62 Totally illogical, argument. Mensa Swede said it was remarkable that he did it by himself and you argue that he would have been just as good if he had help? What sort of stupid logic is that?

Morphy

@@hyzercreek huh? if anything the help would've made him a better player.

@@Jj-gi2uv - awesome! I wasn't aware of that. Thanks! It is impressive that someone can do so much by themselves.

@@rickintexas1584 But Bobby didn't even have personal support (parent, friend, etc.)...

Bobby did have teachers when he was young but he outgrew them and put in the bulk of the work himself

Hah I'd never noticed that before but you're right!

or James Woods. Or Peter Weller.

Christopher Eccleston is a great actor and looks a lot more like Fischer than any other actor, but alas he's too old now. He's the same age as Nick Cage.

@@gnamp ... Fischer was a much better chess player than Woods, but was not nearly as well hung!

@@sas6561 There's always a machine that can do it better.

Richard B. Riddick You’re right and I would add that the Soviet Chess Machine not only focused on outsiders. Within the machine, lives were made and destroyed to serve the state.

AMEN!!! But the fake news MSM won't even discuss this.

Kissenger begged him to play. This was a great help to the US in the cold war. Then later the US turned on Fischer. That's how they showed their appreciation.

Rick rick so true. It's been a Full Throttle Hands-On smear campaign against Fischer ever since. Just like Donald Trump is going through right now

Bobby was used by everyone and trusted no one.

What about where he says he likes to crush a man's ego? That's kind of warped. Reminds me of a kid who likes to pull the legs off of spiders, just to watch what happens afterwards.

Jeremy D boxers have done it for years. Crush the ego for the future. You might have to play or box them again.

I don't care if he was arrogant. I love to see individual human greatness. A person who achieves greatness can have any damn personality he/she wants in my book. I call it, "The Flavor of Greatness". :)

Playfer true, a person can be arrogant and supremely confident at the same time. In fact I would usually the best in the world are both. That’s why they are the best. You usually don’t hear the best person in the world at their particular sport or event say “well I am okay at (whatever sport). To be the best in the world and then be humble about it is really a lie. They are the best lol

That’s called arrogance lol

Justin Penis

@@petemayes1940 Hahaha.....

@@davynnbalinski8102 hes the greatest chess player to ever live. So theres that

Justin Shortly after this 60 minutes story aired, Bobby Fisher was the champion of the world. He's the legend.

@@davynnbalinski8102 hello mrs.horseface

He clearly didn't make it out of this unscathed

So true.

Yes and to do it at the peak of the Cold War the symbology is amazing. Socialist machine against an individual, and the individual won! That is what I love about the US, it’s emphasis on the individual and not the collective. When you cater to one group or another it’s counterintuitively bad for the entire group.

@@davidmartin7163 "that is what I love about US" sounds awfully un-individualistic I'd say, given how much you've praised individualism there's an ironic patriotism and groupthink there. In all seriousness the games were less about politics and national identities, none were too black-and-white, and none too symbolistic unless you see what you want to see. Fischer went in there for the chess and *statistically*, he's an awful representation of USA, or any one group for that matter. Taking a nationalist pride for something a man did then got betrayed by the same damn country he was championing aren't so great things either

@@thenarrator1921 That isn't true at all. That is to assume that every entity of multiple organisms is actually an amorphous conglomerate of their parts.

Can you provide a web link to some article or video in support of your statement?

@@mateiacd There’s another version of this interview although I don’t know how to conjure it at the moment. I think that I’ve seen all of English language interviews of Fischer which have been published. Unfortunately, the longest interviews were the ones from his waning years after he went around the bend.

He blundered the first game

@@ophiolatreia93 But that's because the organizers put him in a room with distracting conditions, which wasn't his fault. No one can play chess properly under those circumstances. Might as well just flip a coin instead to see who is the winner.

@@True_Christian hardly... He's a professional... Was autistic tho. Love bobby tho the Hendrix or johnny rotten of chess

What’s tragic? That he doesn’t dance to the music of the masses? What’s more insane? That we are the most amazing beings that have the ability to be whoever we want and choose to be like everyone else? He was just Bobby. Period

That’s actually really profound

@@Vjl5280 Right On

@@Vjl5280 actually you said the same thing. Except admiting his life was cursed with a terrible loneliness

Love the way you put that.

Didn’t he care about what Russians were writing or saying about him?

@@sayantanmitrabliss I think what he wanted to say is fisher perceives things on his own way

Exactly - not "arrogant" except about what he is good at.

Would love to see one of today's players have this type of personality instead of all the virtue signallers out there. I don't see today's social climate making that happen though. Maybe we see a backlash one day.

Agreed. I didn't see anything wrong w/ the man's personality he was just into his thing and didn't care about following the jones. Media just tries to sensationalize things. He seemed like a leader not a follower, what's wrong w/ that...

perfectly said

Women wouldn't understand the first thing about bobby fischer, let alone chess. Stick to makeup.

@@justinkornfeld7979 clown

He wasn't perfectly fine. He was abandoned by his parents as a child. He needed mental help.

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HAHAHA NICE CATCH

the odd part is we see the back of bobbys head when he's asked the question and he dosent appear to be reading a book!

@@mysterylittlebhoy1482 Quite the mystery Mystery

@@shawnd980 :)

that is not exactly true however

Larsen was from Denmark... but you forgot to mention another Soviet he defeated in the final match that decided Spassky's challenger: Tigran Petrosian.

Mehdi X did you notice the look on Fischer's face and the kids . hunter and prey.

It’s the Brooklyn.

@@JimKalpa-qd9zr What is wrong with you?

An authentic one

do you usually lie?

He wasnt the greatest according to elo ratings, centipawn loss per game and % of best engine moves. Some people say "inflation", but this is not true. Some studies were conducted on this topic and authors concluded there was no such thing, it was rather deflation. A comment from the authors - 'This shows a steady progression in IPR [intrinsic performance rating] throughout chess history, mirroring the improvement of sporting records in other fields and ascribable to better human health overall, and greater wealth allowing there to be more enthusiasts. This argues against ratings having inflated relative to skill.'

piotr monn please tell me what do u mean by that?

EXACTLY. Just like Jordan and Hendrix...haha. Love the Ego and fierce Independence. Quintessential American/New Yorker.

This may be true, but you have to remember today's Grandmasters can check their games against computers to see how to improve (improving ELO). In a sense, your coach is the greatest chess player (computer) and any strategy can be played out through a computer. If Fischer, Spassky, TAL, Morphy had today's machines to play against and improve, I would say, only then could we know who was the greatest of all time.

Other players take on individuals, Fischer took on a tyrannical communist soviet chess machine. Fischer raged against the machine and beat it. Quixotic. GOAT

It is questionable, because he refused to prove it. Had he beaten Karpov, then Kasparov, then Kasparov again, you might have a case. Why was Bill Russell the greatest champion in any sport? Because he proved he was a champion again and again.

Mitch~ My thoughts exactly. I've posted my reasons to point out, without any hesitation- Bobby was the most brilliant, creative, dedicated chess player this planet will ever have.

I agree, a setup to display “lack of family”...Bobby saw right through it.

He hated his parents and was embarrassed to be part Jewish.

He may have been on the autism spectrum and tone-deaf to manners and empathy. The people who got the cake and sang for him were embarrassed by his reaction, I imagine, but he didn't care. Imagine if they brought out a huge cake and a stripper jumped out. Bobby: "Now this is what I'm talking about! Twerk that moneymaker, baby! Yeah!"

I think Bobby didn't want the cake because of his skin, when you have acne at that age you do everything you can to try to stop it, i can speak to that personally.

Good point. You are a sensitive soul. Cutting out sugar, dairy, and fried foods is often step one when you have that. I myself have never had a pimple, but I understand it can be a terrible thing.

I agree. They call Magnus the Mozart of chess, but when you examine Mozart‘s life it seems more fitting, at least in my opinion, that Fischer was really a Mozart of chess...

Yes he was 💯

Welder~ I put Bobby Fischer equal to Einstein and Tesla. They had an ability to see things that normal humans just couldn't comprehend. E=mc2. Alternating current. Being the best chess player in the history of the world. I wish I were the best at something. Maybe in my next life. We'll see...

Bobby forked his rook. No cake for Louis.

I noticed that too.

aww i just typed that..

I think his name is actually Lewis Cohen - as that's the only thing that nets you any relevant searches on Google; Interestingly enough it doesn't seem like anything(chess-related at least) became of him.

@@sirknight4981 all because that cake. He could had been the best.

Welcome to the bass/chess channel 🙂

Yes he's the ultimate example of the individual. Don't care his nut thoughts that was after he became world champion.

@@barranquillarespondetv2512 effectively I think he wasn't interested in chess and his mind which wanted to solve problems was creating problems so to solve them. Otherwise a such trained mind would be bored. Some focus or direction would lead the mind to create good results.

No one wasted more of a chance at stardom than he did. He gave a third of his winnings to a corrupt church, then hid from those who wanted to pay him to sponsor things, eventually losing his possessions in a storage locker foreclosure for unpaid rent, as he had delegated that one task. He blew it big time. Then he blamed the Jews for his lost fortune and cheered when 911 happened.

doesn't have any social skills in my opinion unfortunately. I think he was an incredible genius and hard worker, but unfortunately had a hard life.

"trillions"

@@StephenDoty84 wasnt he a jew...? maybe non practising. the irony is that in spite of everything he was a Russian in blood. He had russian blood in his veins.

@@jessiejames7492 Yes. His family was Jewish.

Darrin Nunyah Actually, he really wanted to destroy the Russians because he thought they were conspiring to keep him from being world champion. And he also didn't like how they talked about the kind of person they thought he was. He really despised them in this point in his life, and beating one of them for the world championship was a culmination for him. It had to be a Russian.

@@osvie0167 No "thought" they were. Obviously you've not read how the Soviet chess players themselves confirmed the cheating that was going on behind the scenes. It was all covered back in 1963. FIDE changed the rules. Quit trying to spread old Soviet and Zionist propaganda, as if "Grandmaster Draws" were a figment of his imagination. People can Google, Soviet "Grandmaster Draws" -- and masters such as Reshevsky and Bronstein, and many others confirmed it. "Grandmaster Draws" was common knowledge, and in fact, I have newspaper articles from 1955-1960's written by chess columnists that confirm it was ... common knowledge... Chess columnists, who suggested it long before Fischer came out in the press accusing Soviets of doing it. Google "grandmaster draws" 1962 bobby fischer chess hall of shame I have a collection of newspaper items on that page, as a collection which prove Fischer wasn't imagining, what the whole chess world was already complaining about, long before he uttered the first complaint to Sports Illustrated about their cheating.

Wow! Very well said!

@@stalinsuxcoxnhell good for you . I was still a baby .

that makes no sense

His later life was sad. He couldn't overcome his weakness and it ended up killing him.

It's not weird to feel sorry for him. Fischer led a troubled life and his later years were marked by paranoia and delusion.

@@svenniepennie4237 True, but not all of his paranoia was unfounded.

@@campbellpaul Like what?

@@svenniepennie4237 The FBI did follow him from a young age. I also believe what he says about not having his visa revoked in 2004 as the US proclaimed they did. Little things led up to his eventual delusions and conspiracy theories... Just imagine what it must be like having a photographic memory, yet having numerous pre-conceived notions that you can't ignore, you are just hounded by them constantly. I think he did pretty well considering the amount of torment he must have put up with.

@Peter: "lonely"? What makes you think he wanted the same things you do?

@@echt114 humans are social creatures, it's biology, not preference

It's lonely at the top. I think fischer was well aware of the sacrifices needed to become the best at something

Boris Spassky is still alive as I type this (September 2023)

it's amazing. i come back to watch it regularly

What does that tell you of the world and who dominates it.

@Joost Broek If by control you mean coercion (using force and threats), then I disagree. I did not see that in him. If by control you mean using reason (setting truth as the goal), then maybe.

I think you find a lot of people in the world who are especially great or excel at something always tend to be off in some form. But I think had Bobby been more "normal", he wouldn't have been so great at chess. Like you said, "He was a genius at chess, and absolutely nothing else."

Why don't you tell the truth? He was in Armstrong's cult which was a doomsday cult. He was threatened with prophecy of Nazis going to invade. In 1972, nothing happened, and like many -- he began researching and became skeptical of Armstrong. Haven't you even read his own testimony? "Bobby Fischer Speaks Out!" in the Ambassador Report? 1977. No, you haven't. Nobody cares to know the truth about what REALLY happened to him and prefer their fiction over fact. William Lombardy gives confirmation on the mythology fed to chess enthusiasts like yourself. I was in the cult. I was there. The same things happened to me, and I have newspaper articles to prove that. People can find the true story by Googling "Vindication-of-bobby-fischer" . co and they will find not only the true story but the large newspaper article archive (1955-2008) I am building to honor his legacy and set his history straight with the fake news stories being churned out and circulated today. I am tired of people ignoring what Bobby Fischer said himself and opting for silly stories from people who weren't even there.

Auto destruction -- bah! People can CTRL + C : "Justice's pursuit of Bobby Fischer is embarrassing" 1993 ... and read the article by Syndicated Columnist Leonard Larsen. There they will get the true story about how the United States federal government ignored financial barracudas committing white collar crimes under their nose, but chose to go after Bobby Fischer for a non-existent crime. I have a lot of newspaper articles archived from 1955-2008... A LOT of history to refute the myths circulating around the life of my church brother.

I always go back and forth. Fischer....Tal....Fischer....Tal......

Julien Dunand -- What madness?

just fischer and morphy and casablanka

Fischer, Morphy, Kasparov, Capablanca.

Carlsen seems better than ever right now though.

What did Fischer do between 1972 and 1975?

great joke! lmao

Lol

Lol

I think he was reading chess life

You can't even blow smoke in 99% of establishments in the world today because it's illegal. It's even illegal to smoke in a lot of bars!

There is not a humble bone in his body

@@santiagoarce5672 that’s because he was the very best of all time. He didn’t have to be humble he was that good

@@rblauson ok I’m just disagreeing with OP

You can't be humble and arrogant at the same time

@@ihsahnakerfeldt9280 Exactly

One thing I found notable about that, earlier the interviewer asks if he's worried about his match with Spassky, Bobby says no not at all. Then when he's brought a birthday cake at dinner he says "I've been worrying about this." I think that really says so much about him.

Bobby was a member of the Worldwide church of god around this time. I am familiar with this as my parents were in it. In the interview they referred to his religion as “fundamentalist.” Thats WWCG. It was a sort-of cult that eschewed any forms of celebration except for the Jewish holy days. No Christmas, no Easter, no birthdays etc. By celebrating his birthday they were spitting on his most sacred beliefs at that time. Thankfully he got out of it a few years later.

He had a Russian communist mom. I think that explains a lot. She was active in communist politics and working for the communist agenda in the United States. Bobby rejected all that, with admirable credit due to his wisdom.

@@davidb2206 but she wasn't Russian. Endgame is a good book about Fischer, really enlightening.

He never said that. He said "I dont believe in psychology. I believe in good moves."

Very honest and unpolished

People who don't understand new yorkers, such as trump, don't get that.

He hated computers and openings, said they killed chess on a late interview

​@@Pitsenberg I don't think it's so much that "he hated computers," but rather, he realized that Chess is ultimately a garbage game because at the end of the day, it is all 100% mathematical calculations and 0% art or creativity. Machine AI merely brings that problem to the forefront and makes it explicitly clear. But they didn't *cause* the issue.

Abhishek Tyagi he doesnt like personal questions as the host said.

We saw it; workout to Jack LaLanne, study chess, watch late night movies. Repeat.

And no time for girls ir family. I suspect Bobby trained around 12 to 14 hours daily

I don’t think so. He was the best player in the world at the time, so he should have become champion. Amazing was the US hocky team winning the gold medal at the olympics. Amazing was Bill Russell’s cumulative record of championships. Amazing was Dallas Bradan, who lost his mother while in high school, pitching a perfect game for the Oakland A’s on Mothers’ Day.

@@GH-oi2jf Those things are boring. Amazing is Wilt Chamberlain scoring 100 points in a game in the days before 3-pointers. Amazing is Ali beating Foreman while leaning back on the ropes. Amazing is Nolan Ryan loading the bases with nobody out and striking out the next 3 guys on 9 pitches.

not old times,just class

Bobby sounds exactly like young Trump did.