That’s the major flaw of public unions! Same thing happens in law enforcement, the national treasury, among certain sectors of regulators (like the bastards who destroyed private farming), the post, We could go on for hours. It’s very hard to find public sector unions that don’t cause such a nasty imbalance. As for the “good” teachers, which I’m assuming means the most qualified and capable among them - they are starting to see more of a demand for such individuals outside of the public sector, especially overseas when it comes to educators from the states thanks to the internet.

Genghis Khan was the ultimate based Anti Intellectual

Teachers love your union and tenure

Unions aren't all bad. Unions bargain with school districts to ensure that teachers are treated fairly. For example at my highschool instead of coming to school 1 hour early to plan their lesson they were given a planning block.

@@nicholasmatthew9687 prosecuters are paid to prosecute. police are paid to make arrests. the more they do that the more stable their job is. its a real sad sad fact about this country. this kind of crap doesnt happen in other countries. only in america.

@@roypinas2102 lol clown

@@roypinas2102 are you arguing for a UBI?

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As much as we all grow to hate them, we wouldn’t have our advanced society without salesmen. Self interest is at the heart of everything, and salesmen are a manifestation of that mechanism. Innovation would be very limited if there wasn’t sales and marketing oriented minds that help build additional but essential value behind said innovation. Overall I think it’s evident that the social construct of society is justly responding to unethical and annoying sales/telemarketing tactics.

Lol

Interesting to hear your real world experience. Like so many of these “gaps” the details are critical, and advocates for higher pay can make things look very grim by ignoring important details, like the fact that these would be considered part time jobs when you account for summer and fall/spring breaks. $102k yearly for 3 day weeks would be considered pretty great by most standards, even if, like you said, you’re at the upper tier due to your degrees.

Nice. You are earning twice as much as the highest paid teacher in my sistricr in Montana. Must be at school no later than 8 and must not leave before. Fine if we come early and stay late, but don't you dare leave early.

@@dliguori25 We're not part time. We are full time contracted employees. I pay for my own continuing ed that I usually do in the summer. The lack of support I get for having high expectations makes me want to scream. I have kids that miss 25 days in a semester and then their parents are mad at me because their kid failed and can't play basketball. Walk a mile before you make a judgement.

@@timkaldahl Tim, I made absolutely no judgement about the difficulty or annoyance of the job, simply that any job where you have 3+ months off would be considered part time in any other field, so the $102k figure that the person above mentioned would be quite good pay for California. I never said anything about free continued education, though I don’t know why the school would pay for it. You’re expected to arrive on time and not leave early? Wtf, they’re abusing you!!! 🤦 What’s the cost of living in Montana? I would imagine it’s about half of that in California, so that argument is probably moot. I hear you, I wouldn’t want the job even for good money and summers off because I would hate being a child wrangler. Kids today seem to actively dislike learning, which is reason #2 that I would never look for that sort of work. The argument that if you haven’t done it you shouldn’t criticize it, when discussing a public service that the citizens are paying for is pretty lame - you’ve probably never been mayor but I wouldn’t expect you to only complain if you’d held that office. Or as a better example, you don’t have to work for the water department to complain that you’re having outages. Frankly if you think it’s awful I don’t know why you would keep doing it? To be clear, I’m not blaming you for your bad students and their awful parents, I’m blaming the system for thinking more money in the form of higher teacher salaries and newer books will fix the students that don’t want to learn - it’ll just make teachers and their unions better paid. I think tough love would be that your students that miss 25 days in a semester get expelled and their parents can home school them or pay for private school. No need to harm the entire class because of the truants. Same goes for disruptive kids- get sent to the principle x number of times, theres a hearing and expulsion. I’m sure you have some great kids that could do wonderful things with their lives, if they aren’t held down to the lowest common denominator in their classes.

Excellent answer. I am sure he is not a public school teacher in rural America

You might want to ask YOURSELF why that is so.

Either way, that's good money.

Come to the suburbs of Chicago, mate. They treat us well here.

This is what drives me crazy about this conversation, I have 5-10 family members and friends who make 60k-80k year as teachers, but all of them all complain about being under payed, yes some teachers are under payed, but no matter how much someone is payed if you tell them they are under payed they are going to start to beleive it. I operate a mechanic shop dela with thousands of customers a year, produce hundreds of thousands in gross, finances, taxes, car parts, hundred of differnt makes and models and we have to have knollege on all of them, warranty work, electrical, plumbing, paint and body endless amounts of skills, I have about 400k dollars worth of tools, which is a never ending system, and I make about half of what a teacher does. But they say I dont deal with the things they deal with, I dont have a "education". 20 years in this by the way. And I have hundreds of friends who have similar jobs, we can all say we are under payed and all deserve more, but what we deserve and what the world is going to pay is another thing. Certain jobs pay certain wages, if you do t like those jobs, leave to another job.

But then who would babysit the kids of the drones working as cogs in the machine of corporate America. People accuse teachers of pushing socialist indoctrination on students, but they aren't willing to pay capitalist wages in a time where supply is low and demand is high.

Yeah, fuck the future. Doing what is profitable is more important than doing what is right. You are a great person. Keep up the good fight.

Presently a teacher. I agree. I chose to keep teaching and that was my choice. If I want to be paid more I can get a new job. Big issue is the virtual monopoly on education exerted by public schools, particularly in states like NY. It artificially keeps the wages of good teachers low while raising those of bad teachers. Tenure is also a disaster for similar reasons.

@@JH-mi6jl If you really felt that way, then you would want teachers to get paid more.

@@JH-mi6jl why don’t you go work a thankless job where you care and work hard but are underpaid. Oh, you don’t want to? Thought so. Teachers are taken advantage of because they care about their students. Districts know that teachers care so they abuse that and pay them less.

Unions is the problem. When you disallow incentives to reward high performers and protect the bad apples then what you get is communism, and that never worked. Having a communistic union mentality will continue to drive the good people out and keep the trash in, this is why American schools are so bad, too many cycles of trash staying and good teachers leave. We now just have a full school of rotten garbage who complains about not getting paid enough for the 6 months of work, and three hours a day (if they show up).

Lol, it applies to almost every aspect of reality, employment and education and etc. STEM trumps liberal arts

@D Statum they’re just senseless don’t worry abt it

this is simply personal experience and you can’t base who deserves pay and who is more valuable on that. from my personal experience this is wrong. my worst, most unhelpful and most unprofessional teacher to date was a science teacher. and i’ve had wonderful science teachers as well. i’ve had amazing english teachers, my favorite teacher till date is an english teacher. just like i’ve had phenomenal history teachers. and i’ve had both horrible english and history teachers. clearly it is based on the individual and that’s how pay should work. based on the individual, not grouping all liberal arts or stem teachers together. all of them teach valuable and important topics and anyone who works hard and does their job well should be paid well

@@harmanjotsingh4230 completely wrong. they’re all valuable and go hand in hand. neither can exist the way it is today without the other.

Popular media does not think that teachers qualify as experts - GQ, Wired, Insider, and Vanity Fair all have expert breakdowns of scenes in cinema, but they NEVER have included teachers. I had to make my own video to show the profession some love.

Nah. He made sense. If we are to go off education level by how underpaid someone is, all the Starbucks batista with PhD in gender studies or philopshy should be paid 100k+ for handing you your coffee.

@@IamAWESOME3980 you just proved my point that the video is poorly done, the mere fact you came to that conclusion.

@@felicianothorpe3719 my rationale is this. if your education is truly so valuable, why isn't someone willing to pay high price for it? just like if your songs, paintings, arts and crafts are so valuable, then why wouldn't anyone want to pay you for these? Honestly, would you buy your own stuff for money? if so, how much are you willing to pay for your own produce and labor? some people who think they deserve some xyz so they can go chase after their "passion" is not living in reality. i am passionate about not working. heck, don't we all. r/antiwork? ring a bell? time to live in reality. in fact, the only way to not work is by working and sacrificing doing something you don't enjoy.

No, it is based on objective, measurable fact: www.epi.org/publication/the-teacher-weekly-wage-penalty-hit-21-4-percent-in-2018-a-record-high-trends-in-the-teacher-wage-and-compensation-penalties-through-2018/

@@JH-mi6jl www.forbes.com/sites/andrewdepietro/2020/08/04/high-school-teachers-salary-state/?sh=1109248364ec The lowest median income for a teacher in this country is some $46,000 a year and the highest median income is $87,000. These are for people who get a full quarter of the year off.

@@davidanderson4748 it’s based on the expected 15-20 hours a week of unpaid overtime after a 42 hour salaried week.

@@rebeccabath5276 They still get a full quarter of the year off in most places. And I'm sorry, but they are contracted to work an hour before and an hour after classes in most places. Also, I'm not stupid. For every teacher who spends that 10-20 hours a week of unpaid time, there are 20 who are out the door by 3:30 and don't show up until 7:30 the next day. When I see teachers walking in as I'm dropping off my kids, and when I drive by a school at 3:15 to see it dark and the staff parking lot completely empty, I just don't have a lot of sympathy for them. Yeah, there are a few who do that, but they are the type of people who would do that at any job. But the majority of them do not. It doesn't make them bad teachers, it's just the way it is. Also, once you get past your first few years in the public school system, it's nearly impossible to fire you. You literally have to be accused of a heinous crime before you get canned, no matter how poor you are at your job.

@@JH-mi6jl bruh teachers on average make 50k for 9 months of work. That's more than 5000 a month before taxes and you get a pension, and you get lots of vacation time and you get job security. You also get 2 months vacation. How many private sector jobs have those kind of benefits for.the average employee?

It also wouldn't work. That's because the state hasn't any good idea what a "good" teacher is. In fact as teachers are often "good" and "bad" at different things, it is very hard to stamp it that way.

A good teacher is a teacher that gives mainly A's and a bad teacher is a teacher that grades strict and only gives few A's and rest B's and below. The first teacher is "good" because little Johny has a 4.0 but know nothing and the second teacher is "bad" because Arun has a 3.5 but knows so much more. Merit pay does not work unless all teachers have the same students for the same subject.

Simple ask the students to grade their teachers. Offer the opportunity to do a performance evaluation of their teachers and then actually follow up with the good ones and the bad ones don't let the teachers know which students wrote what and you will find out quick which teachers are the good ones

As a teacher of 7 years, I disagree. It's a 10 month job, with guaranteed time off during major holidays and no weekend call-ins. The benefits are generally excellent, and the salary has an annual increase, so while the starting salary may be lower than another job with comparable credential requirements, as your career carries on it reaches and exceeds parity. Add on that many state's have strong Unions and Tenure (which is a disaster in practice, but hey, it's still a bonus if you manage to get it), and the pay for teachers is more than reasonable. It's not a great job if your goal is to make a ton of money, but it's a perfect job if you want to raise a family and be able to spend time with your kids and still comfortably raise them. From my experience, most teachers feel undervalued because the job has been bureaucratized by licensing requirements, shackled by formal state mandated examinations and turned into a glorified social workers position by government fiat, trying to pick up the anti-social slack resulting from our country's annihilated family and social structure. Pay has nothing to do with it. It's the amount of governmental red tape and social disintegration which stop us from doing our jobs that upsets most teachers. This post is meant to dispel any illusion of uniformity among teachers on this issue. Would I like to be paid more? Sure, who wouldn't? But I would prefer to be paid based on my performance in the classroom and my time devoted to my school, not because I complained loudest at the government trough for a raise.

Unlike that other user, I agree with you wholeheartedly Glenn. Your perspective on the matter is 100% true.

@@SgtGudda Care to demonstrate how you ascertained that his perspective was correct as opposed to mine, or are you satisfied in merely pronouncing it so?

So they knew the work thats ahead of them and an idea of their compensation and still whine about the work conditions? Wow such entitlement 😒

@@SkankHunt42isback Nailed it.

we aren't really off, we jsut arent in the classroom. there's still work to be done that students dont see. planning, organizing, grading.. not to mention the second job most of us have because we are underpaid.

@@cowboylikecass Your job is to give out arbitrary tasks to children and waste their time so that their parents can work overtime. You should be forced to survive on tips so that maybe you will teach something that is relevant to a childs survival in the modern era.

​@@cowboylikecassJust because you repeat something g over and over doesn't make it true. You may be under paid, but on a whole, teachers are over compensated. If you take a second job it is because you can, not because you have to. That or you are as bad at managing your personal finances as you are at managing your time. Hence all the "work I do from home 😢"

Move to a smarter state then. I had a rough childhood and only had like 60% attendance my gpa in NY was 2.1 when I moved to Florida in tenth grade when I graduated my gpa had shot up to 3.7 with the same attendance. Some teachers just don't deserve more money because they're not as smart or talented

A general manager at Panda Express is a massively more taxing job than any teacher. Works 3000 hours a year versus just under 1500 for most teachers.

@@DBowTX I don't think a gm at Pansa Express works more than 8 hours a day 365 days a year, and that would only be 2900 hours. Maybe it's Texas math.

Sounds like you should have chosen a different career path. You gave up the chance at a more profitable career and are now regretting your choices. You're a math teacher so you should understand a cost benefit analysis the cost being what you're willing to do and the benefit what you're willing to be paid to do it. Schools cannot require you to grade paperwork at home and you also don't work a lot of days out of the year so in that time you don't work maybe you should apply to be the manager of a Panda Express. Also as someone who worked as the store manger of an AutoZone and was paid more than many teachers I know I can guarantee I worked harder and longer hours in a relatively easy career. Now I work in an even easier career making even more because of my work experience and work ethic. I am sure you are the type of teacher that tells your students how much they need to go to college if they want to be successful and make money but every teacher I have ever met in my life has had two things in common they all had a college degree and they all complained about not making enough money. But my father a 6th grade dropout with our a GED taught me something very important if you have a skill and people need that skill you don't need a degree to make money.

@@lstchance87 I can't really say how hard being the manager of an autozone is because I have never been one. Unless you've been in my classroom you have no idea how hard I work. I teach dual enrollment college algebra, trig and statistics. AP calculus too. The message I consistently send to my kids is that they need to use the talents they have, and that if one is happy at McDonalds they are far more successful than some highly paid individual in a cubicle. Not every student needs to learn math at the levels I teach. The amount I'm paid is a reflection of the value you put on education. If you've flown in the past year it could have been a student of mine. If you've been represented by a lawyer, cold be one of mine. Dr., Bank exec, plumber, I taught all of them at one point or another. I am self employed in the summer roofing houses and doing remodels. It pays better. Unfortunately I have this irrational emotional attachment to my students. Every year I step back into the classroom I know that I have other choices. I'm just really tired of getting shit on by people like you who don't have the first clue and think that anyone who has been in school knows enough to teach school. I don't regret the 35 years I've put in to help kids have the tools they need to be successful in the future. What are you doing in your community to make it a better place?

You sure you want to use police as a guide to how people should or should not be fired.... Police have such little oversight that the "left" is constantly demanding that they be defunded and abolished because a lack of accountability. You chose to teach you can always get another career you have a degree. Maybe it might be better to trade in your degree for a skill

@@lstchance87I don't need your suggestions

@@mathisnotforthefaintofheart it wasn't a suggestion. I know people like you love to think you know more than everyone else, just like police and just like police you all love to think you're under paid and under appreciated. But in reality you paid a lot of money to put yourself into a position that you thought would be easy and it wasn't as easy as you thought it would be and expect everyone else to care. But because I know you think you work in the " most important career field" I will let you in on a secret you don't your degree is worthless and if you truly deserved to be paid more you would be. There is a reason skilled workers like plumbers and welders and mechanics can take their skills and use them to make hundreds of thousands of dollars even millions but teachers cannot. Don't blame us for your poor life decisions and please stop trying to indoctrinate children into your ponsi scheme.

@@lstchance87 I don't think you quite understand what I think. I also never mentioned anything about welders, plumbers etc..You make a ton of baseless assumptions that really says more about you than it does about me.

@@mathisnotforthefaintofheart you really don't make a good case for teachers getting paid more since I never once made an assumption. I never said you brought up plumbers welders or mechanics, you likened teachers to service men and women police and fire fighters, and tried to use them as an example to prove your point. I did the same I used mechanics, plumbers, and welders to prove my point that your 100k piece of paper is worthless and you would have been better off with a skilled trade. More proof you never hear any of the careers I mentioned complain that they don't get paid enough for the job they do. Also as an armed forces veteran I would greatly appreciate it if you didn't make assumptions about the processes that occur in military service since we as service men and women freely give away our civil rights to protect others without complaint and your assumptions of due processes are laughable since service members are at the beck and call of the United States government and can be discharged without a panel review. Reviews are only for criminal acts. But since you accused me of making a suggestion to you I actually will this time I suggest you stop contradicting yourself, if you don't believe you make enough and are so well educated use that education to find a career that pays you what you feel you deserve. Stop using the choices you made and continue to make to attempt to guilt others into the belief you deserve more money. If you truly though you were worth more you would go get more, people who do well for themselves don't sit around begging others to do work for them they do work for themselves. The reason I use plumbers, welders, and mechanics to prove my point is because all three require the individual to put the value into their work they choose what their wor is worth and they hustle and grind to make their money.

Afraid so...

This video is very well supported boys, grow up and learn how to engage information the conflicts with your uninformed opinions.

@@nicholasmatthew9687 "I'm a white American male and think life is fair"

@@dfjr1990 way to really contribute some logic to the conversation

@@dfjr1990 there’s nothing “fair” about life, I just don’t bitch about it like a child, nor do I expect anything to be fair. You either act on your own interests despite that fact or toil in your own shit. I’d rather enjoy my life where I can.

Public sector in general it seems

Yes that is true to some extent but that's irrelevant. What matters are the laws of economics. What does society demand? Education as a major is not a skill based degree. It doesn't require advanced technical knowledge. This is why such fields are paid more. However, as the video points out, teachers get paid above the national average for less work (10 months). 60k for 10 months = 6k a month roughly speaking. Remember that they also get a no e pension. How many private sector jobs pay this kind of money?

1stGruhn just because they cost the same does not mean they produce the same income. Chemical engineering degree and a gender studies degree are not even comparable. Gender studies bachelor degree is worthless whereas chemical engineering is valuable in a market.

Not really.

The pay gap is a week for week comparison. I earn 20% less per week teaching math and statistics, and then get no income for ten weeks. During that time I have to pay for coursework to maintain certification. My contract day is from 8 to 4, with a 50 minute prep period. Now consider that if I give an assignment every day to each o my 120 to 150 students and only spend one minute per paper on grading it adds 2 to 2.5 hours to the workload.

@@timkaldahl in the last 50yrs, the pay for administrators and the number of administrators have exploded while the work load of the teachers are gotten more intense: mostly due to government regulation. The solution isn't to charge landowners more, but to decrease administration dead weight and to add parent choice/competition to the menu... while removing union dead weight and government regulation. I was being a bit sarcastic in my initial comment. I was mostly referring to parent choice as the supply and demand that needed to be introduced via a voucher system.

Exactly. A STEM degree is not the same as a BA in education. Lumping the two together is disingenuous. A STEM major who teaches, could easily transition to private sector and earn more - a BA in education, not so much...

Well, luckily one single, unverifiable anecdote from a time BEFORE THE TEACHER PAY GAP EXISTED really makes a difference.

You are close... let me teach you something.. lol Its simpler than your crazy round the world analysis. Teachers work 182 days a year five or take for an average of $56k NEA 2018 #s. There are only 182 days a year of school. ,meanwhile everyone else works over 250 days a year...simple as you can get...the rest is overkill. And no most teacher dont work 50hr week during the school yr. I've put 5 through college and I have never ever seen a teachers parking lot FULL an hr before or after school. So most work 40-45hr week and only work 32 weeks a year, while most work 50weeks a year again simple. Teachers get, EVERY FN HOLIDAY OFF, SNOW DAYS, WEEKENDS, 12 WEEKS FOR SUMMER, WEEK FOR THANKS, 4 WEEKS FOR XMAS, WEK FOR SPRING,,,WE GET 2 WEEKS TOTAL....LMMAO...TEACHERS ARE OVER FN PAID. ALSO THEY GET TENURE AND FULL PENSIONS. WELL MOST DID UNTIL RECENTLY.. WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD OF 401K.... SUPPLIES THEY LMAO...YOU MEAN THE PARENTS BUY. YEP HAS NOT BEEN A YEAR WHERE THE TEACH DOWN ASK FOR STUFF FROM PARENTS. SERIOUSLY HOW MUCH DOES IT COST FOR A KID TO HAVE WHAT 5 #2 PENCILS AND A COUPLE BOXES OF TISSUES AND 5 REAMS OF PAPER ALL FN YEAR. $20 OR $500 /CLASS. WHICH I HAVE NEVER SCENE ANY KID NOT SHOW UP FIRST WITH LESS THAN THAT..HECK THEY. MAKE IT SOUND LIKE 90% OF THE KIDS ARE POOR. WHICH IS STATISTICALLY IMPOSSIBLE....IN REALITY ONLY A SMALL % OF KIDS NEED PAPER AND PENCILS. OH THOSE TEACHERS CARS IN THE LOT BEFORE AND AFTER SCHOOL ARE EITHER GETTING PAID TO COACH OR THEY ARE VOLUNTEERING. No teacher sdont take work home...only what English and history or other teachers assigning term papers that need to be graded maybe 3 or 4 times fn year....which these subject teacher knew going in...and that ain't most teachers. So...seriously teachers make way more for working 2/3 of what all other professional work. Not fn mention most teachers today are not teaching but indoctrinating our children tot their liberal leanings...not reading righting rithmaric....sp and grammar are exempt in rants. So please spare us that teachers make less..I'm btw come from a family of teachers and principles....so um I know....and reaped the excellent hrs my parents worked so that they were always fn there for me.. couldn't shake emit i wanted to. NEVER EVER ANY OT. CLASS ISMOUT THEY GONE. AGAIN ONLY TEACHER GETTING PAID TO COACH OR TEND KID COUNTRY STAY BEFORE OR AFTER SCHOOL...ALL ELSE DRIVE BY YOUR LOCAL SCHOOL AN HR BEFORE AFTER THE FIRDT AND LAST BELL RINGS AND YOU WILL EMPTY FN PARKING LOTS...IM SERIOUS DO IT AND SEE. FINALLY, IMMAGAINST TEACHERS BUT THEY NEED TO TAKEN OFF THE PEDESTAL AND HELD INTO ACCOUNT FOR WHY, 90% OF THEIR FN STUDENTS COULD NOT DEFEND BETSY ROSS AGAINST THE RECRNT ONSLAUGHT THAT SHE WAS A MEER SEEMSTRES WHO SOWED THE FIRST FLAG...????. THIS IS INTENTIONAL...TEACHERS ARE NOT TEACHING REAL HISTORY..INSTEAD IT SEEMS MOST TEACH LEFT LEANING INDOCTRINAION VS REAL CIVICS. LITERALLY 90 PERCENT OF KIDS DID NOT KNOW BETSY'S REAL HISTORIC ROLE, IF THEY DID THEY WOULD HAVE SEEN THROUGH THE RECENT CRAP AND DEFENDED HER HONOR....THAT IS JUST ONE EXAMPLE OF THEMIGNORANCE OUR KIDS HAVE ON REAL HISTORY UPON LEAVING 12 YEARS PUBLIC SCHOOL. BUT THEY SURE CAN MAKE SURE THEY HAVE A SAFE PLACE ANS PEE IN ANY BATHROOM...SCHOOL IN A,ERICA IS A SERIOUS JOKE. ALL ANY ONE NEEDS TO KNOW IS THIS: US #1 IN $ SPENT PER STUDENT AND RANKED # 36 AGAINST OF OTHER INDUSTRIAL NATIONS APPTITUDE...THAT IS ANY ONE NEEDS TO KNOW OUR SCHOOLS STINK...AND ALL TEACHER HAVE TO SAY IS WE ARE UNDER PAID.....THROW MORE MONEY AT IT....I SAY NO TAKE MONEY AWAY UNTIL YOUR STUDENTS ARE #1...THERE IS ZERO REASON FORMUS NOT TO BE #1 MUCH LESS #36.HATER GO.....CANT WAIT TO HEAR THE WHINING EMO RESPONSES TO REALITY.

You are ignorant. Good teachers work 50-60 hours per week during the school year. You are not including the hours and hours preparing lessons, correcting papers, contacting parents, buying materials for classrooms, buying pencils and paper for students and hours donated during elementary recesses and junior/senior high "breaks" when students often privately ask for help. In the 12 years I taught, I never met one teacher who left at 3pm and didn't work in the evenings at home. I knew many teachers who came in on weekends and worked in the summers preparing and taking additional college courses. After teaching, I was an expert computer programmer/analyst and never worked as hard as I did as a teacher, but I was paid twice as much. Teachers do not get overtime pay, often counsel depressed kids, pay for lunches for poor kids, stop bullies, and act as parents to dozens of kids who have dozens of issues (including being shot in their classrooms). Teachers rock !

@@silencedogood7297 I am not sure if that was to me to Tony, Tony seems to have gone off the deep end. But as for number of hours teachers work, it is best to have something to back this up with. "Good teachers" is a subjective term, but we can get some idea from the average. The same brookings.edu report does give the top 10% of teachers, hours worked. That would be 55 hours per week. *Note* that is not a claim that teachers that work 55 hours are the best 10% of teachers, just the top 10% in hours worked*. But then maybe 20% of teachers put in 50 hours during the school year. Though I am not sure that only ~20% of teachers should be call "good". Also, hours =/ quality. I am sure some teachers can do everything in 40 hours or less that it takes other teachers 60 hours to do, because teachers are like all other people, and some people work faster then other for the same work.

Lol at Brooking is "liberal." Go home. Don't tell us how many hours per week we work. Honestly, fuck off.

Teaching involves 200 work days a year, not including having to grade and make lesson plans after hours that you don't get paid for.

Sorry, I'm late to the conversation. Cause they know the truth, and when there are practically no teachers left in the field that's when they will care.

Parents who are ok with their kids passing with a grade of 60% doesn't help either. My schools mission statement says we are preparing students with the tools they need for the future,but our policies and actions say we are here to provide a safe space, give two meals a day, and provide the students to participate in athletics. I will have 4 of my 7 classes with less than half of the students in attendance for the next two days because of tennis, track, and softball.

The average teacher works 80 days less than the average worker. This includes orientation in August before students return. This means for a salary of $57 k they are getting +$300/day. And if you think they are working 12 hour days look at how fast the faculty parking lot empties at the closing bell. Teacher pay is most commonly prorated so that even in summer they still get paid. Yes they are expected to attend continuing education classes but they are free to chose what and when they will attend throughout the year. They can often get additional pay for teaching extra classes, coaching, and summer school. Some have private tutoring businesses or teach community college on the side too. They also can work abroad and see the world by teaching in American schools for the children of government and corporate workers. Public school teachers get pensions and good insurance! No you will not get rich teaching. Yes, teachers can lose their contracts, especially in today's high-stake testing environment. But it is a solid paying gig. Just pick any community and look up the median teacher salary versus the poverty rate. The amount of time off they get alone is criminal. Think of how much more you can do with your life with an extra eighty days off a year.

@@alevela9309 Exactly. I love how all these comments are talking about teachers and their 12 hour shifts. I worked 4 years as a teacher, and 99% of them only work the exact hours required. Even if some of them did grade papers at home, it's still well under private sector hour requirements. The 'professional development' argument is flawed too, because every profession nowadays requires you to work on prof dev on your OWN time. I now work in tech, and keeping up with technology is something you do on your own time and your job does depend on it.

Boo hoo

Not to mention that given the current teacher shortage, I would say good teachers are high in demand, too, just like nurses.

"Down there"? What the FUCK do you mean by that? The people who devote our lives to helping others should be "down there"? Where, exactly, is "down there"?

@@JH-mi6jl Wages down there "Devoting lives" doesn't mean any good is being done, particularly if socialist values are being taught. The only result of such teaching is creating aggressive panhandlers rather than encouraging kids to achieve some kind of useful competence.

@@ty2010 Um, not all teachers are Socialists.... You're thinking of professors. Not every teacher is a freak show from Berkeley California.

@@pre-debutera6941 While true, there's too many Berkeleys and Loudoun counties

We don't get a degree in teaching; we get a degree in the thing we want to teach. This doesn't change the *ojective* fact that, AFTER GETTING THE DEGREE, teachers make less than others WITH COMPARABLE DEGREES. I am a Master of Economics and I make $60,000/yr teaching mathemtics. I could have made $120,000/year helping Facebook steal your personal info and feed you ads, but I have this thing called a moral backbone. My choosing to help people does not make me deserve to get fucked.

This is true.. I am married to a teacher .. she works even when she is on vacation so that is bull shit that they only work 10 months..

magisterparsons she just finished a professional development called leters. She spent about 2 hours a day for about a year taking the course.

No it's not, it's true. Most teachers after the first year get summer jobs. - Presently employed teacher.

Yeah, but most professions require you to keep up on your area of expertise or you are terminated... I've worked in both public sector as a teacher and private - I can assure you that private sector demands more hours by far annually than public teaching. Professional development isn't some new thing only teachers are required to do...

No, most teachers don't lol. Maybe most "good" teachers do. But most teachers are not good teachers.

This is so patently false. I have no idea where you're getting your numbers from. Starting teacher salaries are more around $35,000-40,000. Maybe a $500 bump every year.

@@amandadexter1689 nyc

Lol You picked NYC teacher pay which is way higher than almost anywhere else in the country, most teachers even with a masters will never ever get close to 100k.

I can't name a single teacher that works less than 40 hours a week, I don't know who you've been talking to.

did you fail math class

You are delusional, lady. Students in my district are in school from 7:05pm-3:00pm. That's 8 hours a day x 5 = 40 hours. And then we work evenings and weekends to do all the other requirements. No teachers have any spare time to be running private classes.

The real issue is the measuring system. Most all private sector jobs are performance based and yet unions protect all teachers good and bad. The unions gather power with dues and political influence and expand their bureaucracy. Counselors, assistant principals, and lets be honest the poorer the district the shittier the teachers, the shittier the schools, the shittier the students. Etc. Educational money spent varies across the country, wealthier states get much more obviously. All smoke mirrors and slogans, its all about money. PERIOD. If you are poor or live in a poor district your chances to improve are slim. Teaching is not a job or a career it is a calling. Like being a priest. another group protected by corrupt wealth

Bump

The truth is AEI is full of shit.

Worked 4 years as a teacher, nobody at either of my schools spends 'majority' of their summer prepping for next year... Majority have summer jobs actually.

That’s not going to fix the problem. It just going make different problems.

@@square5726 you mean like less shitty teachers? (This is only a half joke) yea but the market would decide what to do then. Not saying it’s convenient I’m saying it’s necessary

That is truly when a teacher has failed

Right wing philosophies only make sense if you’re fabulously wealthy and stand to benefit from the extraction of wealth from the subjugated. I doubt that’s you.

Learn how to spell my guy.

Yeah except unionized teachers get paid a whole lot more than non-union teachers…

Smh...wow...I know many extremely intelligent teachers who could've been anything from doctors to engineers. It's this mentality that discourages other brilliant minds from the profession, so you end up with mediocre to poor performing students turned teachers who train future students to be underperformers...give appropriate incentives and you'll see the teacher workforce grow exponentially with quality teachers and thereby produce quality student performance...until then, keep this mentality and you'll get the same results=insanity...

@@kdlove8629 I agree teachers should be paid more but not as much as people think. A profession that gets every holiday, weekend, 2-3 months off during the summer doesn’t deserve that extravagant of a raise

@@UNCfanatic50 Hmm...I'm not sure if you know many teachers. Many professions get weekends off as well as holidays, not just schools. Also, teachers in many districts have their paychecks split at least 3 ways to compensate for this "time off" therefore, they're not receiving their full pay, let's not even include taxes, and must make ends meet with what they have month to month. Oh, and budget cuts...gotta find money to help pay for school supplies and you're considered "uncaring" if you don't. Imagine doctors having to buy paper for prescriptions, or medical equipment. Note that many teachers make up for lower pay by working summers whether within the schools or with a second job. Have children? Even worse, they will need to pay for child care like everyone else, so that they can work those second jobs. I absolutely hate how people assume this "time off" is just a given...no teachers are not paid to off, this is their own money for working over 40+ hours lesson planning, training and dealing with parents even on the weekends. How many other professions take their job home, daily? Not many and those that do often get compensation for it... I didn't mean to rant, but it's really awful how the general public perceives teachers...if only the same value was placed on them as in other countries, imagine the progress that would be made.

@@kdlove8629 I know a lot of girls who are teachers or becoming teachers. Most of them are stupid and couldn’t do anything else so they decided to teach. Shit a few of them are teachers and they can’t even pass those subject tests they have to take (don’t know if these tests have a name) With that being said, high school teachers and college professors are different. If you’re teaching elementary or lower you’re job isn’t all that difficult. Time consuming sure but not difficult. People get annoyed by teachers because they put themselves on this pedestal and think they’re oh so amazing and that work harder than everyone else when in reality most teachers are just ok and simply do not.

@@kdlove8629 I do however agree schools need more funding but most teachers think they should be the priority when it should be the kids