AT&T Archives: Similiarities of Wave Behavior (Bonus Edition)

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On an elementary conceptual level, this film reflects the multifaceted scientific hyperthinking that was typical of a Bell Labs approach. Host Dr. J.N. Shive's presence as a lecturer is excellent - it's understandable by a layperson even when he branches into equations, because he uses copious amounts of real-world examples to bolster the material.
Shive's role at Bell Labs was more than just a great lecturer: he worked on early transistor technology, inventing the phototransistor in 1950, and the machine he uses in the film is his invention, now called the Shive Wave Machine in college classrooms.
Dr. J.N. Shive of Bell Labs demonstrates and discusses the following aspects of wave behavior:
Reflection of waves from free and clamped ends
Superposition
Standing waves and resonance
Energy loss by impedance mismatching
Reduction of energy loss by quarter-wave and tapered-section transformers
Original audience: college students
Produced at Bell Labs
Footage courtesy of AT&T Archives and History Center, Warren, NJ

КОМЕНТАРІ: 318
@davidhakansson2200
@davidhakansson2200 4 роки тому
This video acts as an impedance matching network between this topic and my brain. Perfect!
@aaronfrank9649
@aaronfrank9649 3 роки тому
Good one!!!!!
@003abhijith
@003abhijith 2 роки тому
well said... same for mee too☺️
@donsudduth
@donsudduth Рік тому
Works better with tapered glasses
@Inception1338
@Inception1338 11 місяців тому
I have no clue what you just said.
@Gukworks
@Gukworks 11 місяців тому
Gold
@nvrumi
@nvrumi 5 років тому
This film is a real gem. I'm an engineer (and used to be a professor) and the clarity of explanation in this film is exceptional. It is the best explanation of SWR that I've come across to date. This man would have been a favorite teacher had I had the opportunity to sit under him.
@emylrmm
@emylrmm 4 роки тому
indeed, this was very well done
@orsmplus
@orsmplus 4 роки тому
This dude has a very slightly evident grin that appears when he knows he's explaining something enlightening. You can tell he loves what he's teaching.
@projectartichoke
@projectartichoke Рік тому
Yes! his love of the material is extremely engaging, at least I found it so.
@faneuil1
@faneuil1 11 місяців тому
agree- probably was a very nice guy -- it is obvious he loved to teach. made me smile
@exploding-man
@exploding-man 6 років тому
You can tell from his expressions that this guy is having a blast talking about this.
@nukiduki2
@nukiduki2 3 роки тому
Right? Like he knew we'd get it!
@SplendidKunoichi
@SplendidKunoichi Рік тому
I couldnt help but think this the entire video. such a great thing he knows he's been able to do here
@JdBa2
@JdBa2 Рік тому
What an utterly gifted teacher Dr. Shive was, and what a gift Bell Labs gave us by preserving his work on film.
@QRPadventures
@QRPadventures 4 роки тому
I have learned more about waveform in this 30 minute video than 7 years of being an amateur radio operator. Great explanation and video.
@DougMayhew-ds3ug
@DougMayhew-ds3ug 3 місяці тому
My dad worked at Bell Lsbs and I had a basement full of test gear and jars of vintage transistors to toy with as a kid, and consequently have always had electronics and radio close to my heart and am still learning the deeper aspects of those subjects. Bell Labs was an amazing place, there were actually two, one in Murry Hill, NJ, where the transistor was invented, and one in Holmdel, NJ, where my father had worked and did quite a bit of transmission cable work and later fiber work. There was a white water tower there at the campus in Holmdel with 3 support columns, which oooked suspiciously like an oversized transistor; the joke was someday someone would paint E, B, and C for emitter, base, and collector on the bottom of the tower to properly label the “leads” of the water tower. That kind of research is where it’s at, we need to get back to that collaborative multidisciplinary approach with a big center and a big budget to push the technology frontiers hard again. For example, the west needs workable fusion power, and the fragmented approach is perhaps costing more in lost time, than it is saving in dollars.
@mathiaschr.mathiesen213
@mathiaschr.mathiesen213 2 роки тому
Maybe this has been commented earlier in this thread… About 5:30 into the film, John Shive talks about the termination of an electrical transmission line. At first, I thought John Shive was wrong, since I have truly seen the opposite in our lab. What I have seen on an oscilloscope is a wave that returns “upside down” from a short circuit termination, while an open circuit termination gives a reflected wave with the same phase as the incoming wave. But John Shive talks about a current while an oscilloscope measures voltage. At an open end, the law of conservation of energy results in the pulse having to return to where it came from (since it has nowhere else to go). Going back, a current would have to pass through an imaginary amperemeter in the opposite direction compared to its original direction, thus giving a current with the opposite sign. So, John Shive was right about the current. Why doesn’t the voltage change polarity as well? This also has to do with energy. The termination and the ideal wires do not “steal” (convert) or store any energy. Therefore, the sum of energy from the forward and the return wave must be zero, E(forward) + E(return) = 0 and E(forward) = -E(return). The minus-sign comes from the inverted current, therefor the voltage can’t be inverted. Anyone who agree with me?
@D0nK3yDon
@D0nK3yDon 2 роки тому
I had the same initial thought, about shorts vs opens, but just figured I had misremembered my EM classes, since the professor must be right. Thank you so much for explaining the mental disconnect. I'll sleep better, now that Dr shive and I agree.
@paulshankster
@paulshankster Рік тому
I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed this. Thought maybe I was missing something.
@NM5RF
@NM5RF 3 місяці тому
I have been getting into ham radio over the past three years and this video is one of the most helpful things I've found in my learning journey.
@dave_n8pu
@dave_n8pu 4 роки тому
I wish I would have had someone like him when I was studying to get my Amateur Radio license, I might have accidentally learned something instead of just memorizing the correct answer.
@scratchdog2216
@scratchdog2216 4 роки тому
As an old-school extra-class amateur radio operator, I recommend this video as an aid to understanding feedline/antenna matching.
@samuellourenco1050
@samuellourenco1050 3 роки тому
This film is precious! The mechanical analogue equivalent is the perfect medium to explain concepts like impedance mismatch and standing waves. It is easy to see the mechanics by which a high SWR can destroy the output stage of a transmitter.
@deweywsu
@deweywsu 7 років тому
Amazing. So clear and direct. I find the further I go back in history, recorded science lectures seem to just make way more sense than today's classes. I'm not sure why. Maybe they weren't trying to teach so much at once then, and they had a script, so the material was presented in a very logical order, but this is definitely easier to understand for me than a lot of more modern videos that seem to just "wing it".
@bradleysmith681
@bradleysmith681 7 років тому
Agree. These basic videos are explained step-by-step with the goal of understanding.... Today's videos seem to focus on flashy presentations but lack clear instruction...
@Jasonificatiation
@Jasonificatiation 6 років тому
because nobody teaching those classes knows it from the ground up unless you go to MIT.
@johanponin1360
@johanponin1360 6 років тому
A lot of them (military analog computers comes to mind) had a very interesting non academic, non ceremonious yet charmingly vintage in style. Probably as good as a MOOC :p
@fatpie2.0
@fatpie2.0 6 років тому
I was wondering the same thing. It is more to the point and informative than most videos.
@whippoorwill1124
@whippoorwill1124 4 роки тому
The explanation's rather simple I believe: it's laziness. It takes real effort - persistence, thoroughness, time - to produce instruction of this quality. That's been replaced all too widely by superficiality, glitz and the desire to be considered clever without the requisite work to become clever. What's one of the most common complaints about UKposts tutorials? Too much attention paid to background music. Dr Shive's teaching is devoid of such frills - and brimming with evidence that he really knew what he was talking about and went to considerable lengths to communicate it effectively. The same's true, for example, of w2aew's UKposts videos and content from the Khan Academy. There are no shortcuts to excellence.
@ericstevens653
@ericstevens653 5 років тому
Information is sliding so pleasantly and efficiently into my brain! So much respect for this era of engineering.
@ottoomen5076
@ottoomen5076 5 років тому
look at the smile on his face when he talks through the megaphone.
@thunderbugcreative7778
@thunderbugcreative7778 Рік тому
The reflection formula at 18:15 made my head blow up. I am unable to continue learning wave behavior as my... well..... my head is gone.
@transimpedance
@transimpedance 4 роки тому
7:30 is the visual demonstration of how a standing wave forms that I’ve been wanting for so long
@dcmsr5141
@dcmsr5141 5 років тому
Multiple "aha!" moments, absolutley Priceless!!!!!!
@TheSwartz
@TheSwartz 2 роки тому
We just don't have awesome professors like this anymore. I could listen to this guy for hours.
@vynz0789
@vynz0789 11 років тому
WHO WOULD DISLIKE THIS!?
@russkydeutsch
@russkydeutsch 4 роки тому
This is so much more than clear, concise education: It's poetic. Absolutely amazing.
@projectartichoke
@projectartichoke Рік тому
Yes! It's truly a thing of beauty like a priceless piece of art.
@MatheusAlmeidaC
@MatheusAlmeidaC 4 роки тому
this video is so addictive, the more you watch, the more you like
@davidblake6889
@davidblake6889 Рік тому
A picture is worth a thousand words, it is said. This demo of SWR is worth a million. I am an amateur radio operator, and thought I understood SWR in transmission lines. I certainly understand it a lot better now.
@queuerious
@queuerious 3 роки тому
Absolutely fantastic description of waves, impedance matching and SWR! As a radio amateur, this explanation is wonderful. Thanks for sharing!
@thegrassisbluer09
@thegrassisbluer09 Рік тому
As I get into amateur radio, UKposts brings up these beautiful old educational shorts that demonstrate concepts so succinctly and accessibly. I'm so lucky to live in this age for the accumulation of information that's been possible with the internet.
@biswaruprana1970
@biswaruprana1970 4 роки тому
This a great video .Truly a treasure. A slight correction would be that the free end of the mechanical system is analogous to an open circuit in an electrical system. While the restrained end in a mechanical system is analogous to a short circuit in an electrical system.
@thomaskragerud8039
@thomaskragerud8039 3 роки тому
@John King Thanks for clarifying
@maxmustermann-gn7nz
@maxmustermann-gn7nz 5 місяців тому
This is gold. I am amazed how the concept of impedance can be applied to so many things at once and how waves are all similar in their nature. I went from having no deep understanding of waves to seieng patterns between different physics areas in one video.
@projectartichoke
@projectartichoke Рік тому
I've known about most of these concepts for decades, but now I have a real understanding! This is an amazing film, and Shive is absolutely brilliant in his capacity for imparting knowledge.
@Decadent_ambience
@Decadent_ambience 4 місяці тому
At 5:58, there is a mistake on the chalkboard. If the transmission line is shorted, the voltage reflected will be inverted. This is because the current will flow on the minus terminal momentarily during the return propagation time before the output is zero due to short circuit condition. Otherwise, this is a very informative video.
@vidasvv
@vidasvv 3 роки тому
Wish I had this guy as my teacher! Great video!
@Smmmile
@Smmmile 2 роки тому
Simply Brilliant.
@nlo114
@nlo114 2 роки тому
I wish I'd seen this a few times at college! I could have progressed a lot farther a lot quicker in my career with this Gentleman teaching.
@subutubiata1
@subutubiata1 11 місяців тому
A guitar string has a standing wave ratio of infinity, and gears and levers are impedance transformers promoting the transmission of the energy of motion . Just two of the many things I've learnt in 26 minutes watching this lecture.
@jonahansen
@jonahansen 6 років тому
This is so much better than any explanation I've encountered in many textbooks.
@buckbrown823
@buckbrown823 Рік тому
This has to be one of the greatest lectures of any kind that there can be.
@geezerdombroadcast
@geezerdombroadcast 5 років тому
I remember teachers like this as a child, pleasant, refined, disciplined, and often very conservative. They did not suffer fools lightly. It is a sad reality that the ability to calculate in mathematical terms is extremely difficult for so many people. The best way to counter this condition is through constant repetition. Practice practice practice from a young age, as soon as possible. The torture of that exercise will pay huge dividends later in school. So many geniuses become lost in this struggle, the old left brain right brain argument. Matching the imaginative dreamy brain with the analytical is another form of impedance resulting in miraculous new innovation. Happens every time.
@fisicacomsotaque822
@fisicacomsotaque822 3 роки тому
Repetition may help to memorize but what's generally missing in the first place is meaning. There is a generalized use of mathematics in a meaningless approach. That may be the bigger problem. Meaning may though depend on earlier non symbolic early experiences... Diffcult subject! They are many discussion in this direction in Education in Mathematics but this subject of research is not in an very advanced stage.
@Gladiva19
@Gladiva19 3 роки тому
Its funny how entitled Incels who think they're better than everyone else spread to every corner of the internet event the education part 🙄 This comment shows a clear lack of understanding how social systems generate behavior.
@JohnnyWishbone85
@JohnnyWishbone85 3 роки тому
I don't know what you're talking about, but it has little to do with this video beyond the one minute or so where he's working at the blackboard.
@RuthvenMurgatroyd
@RuthvenMurgatroyd 9 місяців тому
@@Gladiva19 Entitled incel?
@ROZENHART
@ROZENHART 3 роки тому
This video is a true gem
@dakotahrivers6640
@dakotahrivers6640 Рік тому
Watching this in 2022 and it's still extremely useful and clear with building an intuition of transmission lines.
@DucatiMTS1200
@DucatiMTS1200 4 роки тому
Exceptional tuition and understanding by a most clever man.
@TheJHSound
@TheJHSound 6 років тому
This is such a wonderful and very visual explanation of the basics of waves. Thank you for preserving this awsome content and making it accessible!
@yoramstein
@yoramstein 4 роки тому
One of the best videos /films I have ever seen in my life !
@falxonPSN
@falxonPSN 6 років тому
This is a great video. Clear and well organized and the physical machine really shows off the concepts easily.
@alirezasohrabidabiri737
@alirezasohrabidabiri737 4 дні тому
Thank You AT&T Channel
@PaulMarostica
@PaulMarostica 2 роки тому
Very informative and well presented. But I think I noticed something possibly incorrect. At about 5:48, the speaker mentioned that in an electric transmission line, an open end results in a reversed polarity returning wave, and a short circuit end results in a same polarity returning wave. In another UKposts video I viewed, "Tektronix - Transmission Lines", the opposite was demonstrated to be true using an oscilloscope. Which is correct?
@briansauk6837
@briansauk6837 4 місяці тому
You are indeed correct - the short inverts the wave. Would be a neat trick if it was the other way.
@synchlaviersample4287
@synchlaviersample4287 4 роки тому
It's a fantastic presentation - very clear, concise and to the point -
@Bippy55
@Bippy55 Рік тому
(May 2023) - This professor is a passionate GENIUS!! Why have I never heard of this teacher/clever demonstrator before?!
@AlvarLagerlof
@AlvarLagerlof 4 роки тому
This is so amazingly clear and easy to understand!
@merylkk4hfg120
@merylkk4hfg120 3 роки тому
Best demonstration of wave behavior that I have seen so far.
@faditech6793
@faditech6793 5 років тому
Amazing Amazing Amazing !!! The examples by Dr. Shive are way better than today's 3D & digital simulations !
@aravindalokam
@aravindalokam 2 роки тому
This video is gem. The best explanation of standing waves I've ever seen
@ecstazyrm
@ecstazyrm 4 роки тому
Absolute genius. Masterpiece
@SimAlex20000
@SimAlex20000 8 років тому
this channel has become one of my favorites on all of UKposts, and why youtube is so amazing. i'm one of those math-challenged liberal arts majors (lol right) but i found the UNIX video *really* cool as a backgrounder on computer science in general as well as UNIX, coding etc etc. this vid is incredibly educational as well. awesome stuff, ATT.
@emylrmm
@emylrmm 4 роки тому
this is a superb demonstration and lecture on the general topic
@DucatiMTS1200
@DucatiMTS1200 4 роки тому
Genius is making the complex simple. What an amazing guy. We are very fortunate a small piece of his knowledge was captured on film.
@koekone
@koekone 2 роки тому
A great explanation and a stylish presentation! Really enjoyed this.
@smjsychj
@smjsychj 3 роки тому
This video is one of the best that mankind has to offer.
@LydellAaron
@LydellAaron 2 роки тому
10:51 "impedance" being the ratio of "cause" to "effect" 21:00 It's true, our world is abound with these examples! 26:57 was an insightful remark from Dr. J.N. Shive, "Waves of all types behave alike."
@RobertLock1978
@RobertLock1978 5 років тому
Thank you for posting this.
@Khwartz
@Khwartz 11 років тому
Remarkable outstanding presentation! imho Very Thanks and Very Well Done to this exceptional teacher (to his memory of course).
@JavierGonzalezGarciaJGG
@JavierGonzalezGarciaJGG 10 років тому
amazing. great job wherever you are man
@thehammurabichode7994
@thehammurabichode7994 Рік тому
To see what I didnt know was called "superposition behavior" at 9:00, see the video "A perfect standing wave in a computer-controlled wave pool". This video is very short, and a bit hypnotizing
@alistairmcmeekin5382
@alistairmcmeekin5382 11 місяців тому
Really thought provoking. Excellent.
@seppa340
@seppa340 8 років тому
Thanks a lot for this amazing video. I love that wave model! Very creative idea.
@ARUNKUMAR-ux6ug
@ARUNKUMAR-ux6ug 3 роки тому
thanks a lot for the perfect analogy. For years I was struggling to understand the propagation of highspeed currents in the circuit boards with different loads.
@jDm-cq9ol
@jDm-cq9ol 11 місяців тому
Brings back memories of the Newton's Cradle I had on my dresser as a kid. A visual reference of the physical characteristics of things that occur and can be seen throughout the natural world around us. I want to build one of these machines. It would be great at parties. BRILLIANT!
@blarggggg
@blarggggg 10 років тому
Love the use of big fractions fractions at around 18:35. When I was in school, oh so long ago it seemed perfectly intuitive for me to use =>1 fractions. I was told that this was wrong, somehow -- though my work was accurate, correct, documented, and mostly legible, I tended to skip the needless reduction of fractions at every step that they expected it of me. Conferences were held, admonishment was dolled. I now feel vindicated by this verification that there is no shame in expressing a number as "seven halves," as everything presented in this film is perfectly cromulent and expertly explained. Thank you.
@kered13
@kered13 6 років тому
What did they want you to use, mixed fractions? Mixed fractions are almost never used in math and science because they make arithmetic harder.
@debtminer4976
@debtminer4976 5 років тому
@@tarmil Know this is old, but your observation makes sense. We Americans use the imperial system, so ''improper'' fractions have a good deal of practical use to us.
@allthingsharbor
@allthingsharbor 5 років тому
Ditto, Adam Perry...loads of arguments and discussions with mathematics teachers in high school. But the methods taught to me by my engineer father worked best for me! As long as my answers were correct in the end....
@stanpikulski4007
@stanpikulski4007 2 роки тому
Old True school of amazing physics it must be incredible to have such a fantastic teacher at least once a time in life, this can change the mind and the way of thinking physically for ever.
@MitzvosGolem1
@MitzvosGolem1 5 років тому
surfs up Waves awesome dude. Maximum shear occurs at nodes in structural analysis. FEM today makes this much easier to calculate. Awesome film Thanks.Shalom
@timg5060
@timg5060 3 роки тому
Wow-- what a terrific explanation. Every instructor could learn from his relaxed but deliberate pacing-- gives the student a moment to reflect on what he's saying. For anyone wanting to learn more about what an amazing place Bell Labs was, I really enjoyed Jon Gertner's book.
@nomadic_rider42
@nomadic_rider42 7 років тому
Excellent demonstration.
@krytek2361
@krytek2361 11 років тому
I love this. It's so awesome I have no words.
@TheSnowballEarth
@TheSnowballEarth 12 років тому
Very informative. Thanks for posting this!
@2adtron
@2adtron 11 років тому
Best ever seen wave tutoriral
@tinkusree8874
@tinkusree8874 6 років тому
Plz add such type of videos on voltage, current etc.
@gibran53
@gibran53 7 років тому
I remember seeing this film ... High School electronics class I think. Great subject .... Goo d presentation!
@hectorpascal
@hectorpascal 2 роки тому
Nice demonstrations of mechanical 1/4 wave and taper matching elements.
@HakanKoseoglu
@HakanKoseoglu 2 роки тому
Incredibly good explanation for how SWR works!
@arpace
@arpace 11 років тому
Excellent point about studying an area that deals with waves extensively allowing you to understand any other area that where waves are fundamental to the field; absolutely agreed. Particles and waves are what everything eventually comes down to.
@erdetnasufi1324
@erdetnasufi1324 11 років тому
At 05:09, I think that load impedance is not correct: positive reflection happens on open circuit (not short circuit), and negative reflection happens on short circuit (not open circuit).
@mangelozzi
@mangelozzi 4 роки тому
He should explain it with regards to Voltage (not Current). I.e a short circuits does not allow the voltage to change (fixed side), whereas the open circuit allows the voltage to change (open side).
@paulshankster
@paulshankster Рік тому
I noticed that too.
@tinkusree8874
@tinkusree8874 6 років тому
Such films are very useful for everyone
@radiofun232
@radiofun232 11 років тому
Excellent explanation that gives a lot of insights.
@Gw0wvl
@Gw0wvl 11 років тому
Excellent talk.. Very interesting... Thanks for posting.
@makrisj
@makrisj 4 роки тому
May you rest in peace. I deeply appreciate all the knowldge and the laugh. I needed both.
@jaredstyles
@jaredstyles 2 роки тому
Best explanation of swr I've ever seen!
@fabricegosnet9569
@fabricegosnet9569 7 років тому
really great, thanks for sharing
@mastercolling
@mastercolling 7 років тому
Beautiful handwriting and drawing.
@n74jw
@n74jw 2 роки тому
This is great. Thanks for sharing.
@mrhoho
@mrhoho 7 місяців тому
physics always enlightening me.
@agentstona
@agentstona Рік тому
BEST VIDEO EVER teaches alot which universities cant teach in 6 months
@michelgrenier1568
@michelgrenier1568 5 років тому
Very good demonstration !
@billmichae
@billmichae Рік тому
Forever great.
@grzesiek1x
@grzesiek1x 2 роки тому
good advice! This is ehat I did as I work on shortwave frequency that I can only mesure with my oscilloscope I decided to experiment also with light and audible frequency as they all behave in the same way but it is easier to understand them when actually we can experience them by hearing or seeing (like sound or visible light) .
@enriquegonzalez2802
@enriquegonzalez2802 6 років тому
Marvelous!
@DanRussellPSU
@DanRussellPSU 6 років тому
Responding to +HitAndMissLab comment from a few years ago . . . This video also gets the acoustic wave reflection wrong (kind of). The reflection of a acoustic displacement wave from a free end is upright, while the reflection of an acoustic displacement wave from a rigid closed end is inverted. However, we don't typically measure displacement waves for acoustic sound waves. Instead our ears and microphones respond to pressure instead -- and pressure has phase quadrature (90 degrees out of phase) with displacement. So, the reflection of a pressure wave reflects from a free, open end is inverted, and the reflection of a pressure wave reflects from a rigid closed end is upright -- the opposite of what happens for a transverse mechanical displacement wave.
@75blackviking
@75blackviking 11 місяців тому
I watched the entire video. I actually learned something.
@1000left
@1000left 4 роки тому
What an incredible video!!!!
@RejimonVarghese
@RejimonVarghese 9 років тому
Really enjoyed ! Impedance matching looks so simple and effortless...
@shamelame6367
@shamelame6367 Рік тому
Excellent lecture!
@TheCTMcG
@TheCTMcG 7 років тому
This is awesome
@Pedritox0953
@Pedritox0953 4 роки тому
MARVELOUS!!!
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