Auston Matthews’ Hart Case with Hailey Salvian | JD Bunkis Podcast

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Hailey Salvian, NHL and Women's Hockey Writer with The Athletic, joins JD Bunkis to discuss her thought process when voting for the Hart Memorial Trophy, Auston Matthews’ case, and what nuanced criteria goes into the Frank J. Selke award.
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@cc-ij7cr
@cc-ij7cr 14 днів тому
She just said she is going with the eye test, lol.
@Renegade322
@Renegade322 14 днів тому
I feel like the early argument for mackinnon was, mackinnon is flashier.
@clayz.6863
@clayz.6863 14 днів тому
Damn JD you convinced me! 34 for the Hart
@clayz.6863
@clayz.6863 14 днів тому
wait actually this is pissing me off Matthews for the Hart!!!!!!! Tf!!!!!!!!
@stevenlopez1717
@stevenlopez1717 14 днів тому
@@clayz.6863 Kucherov has like 40 more points... Not to mention we already have a trophy for goal scoring, the Hart isn't just about who has the most goals and by how many. TOR is built around Matthews scoring, they feed him like 5 shots a game and he has 18 goals on the PP. Goals had on 5v4 or 5v3 with guys like Marner, Nylander, Rielly and Tavares making plays and finding you an opening isn't so impressive as the # "70" makes it seem.
@northerngurl6178
@northerngurl6178 14 днів тому
gonna have a pretty hard time taking the voters seriously after listening to this, jesus what an eye opener 😳
@RealBillBerg_8
@RealBillBerg_8 14 днів тому
Had a few thoughts on this whole show but.... This is the reason the league should be transparent with the voting list and who they voted for... This woman isn't qualified to be voting on these awards... How many Haileys is there in the voting pool!?
@u_free_agent8721
@u_free_agent8721 14 днів тому
Betting odds sound about right. Wasn't Nylander the team MVP for the first quarter or so of the season? It took a long slump by Nylander towards the end of the season for Matthews to over take the team points lead. Cosmetically, and maybe to what she was alluding to, if you ever watch a Matthews highlight pack, it is mostly him getting and shooting the puck. I think something like 50 of his goals are possessed by him for less than a second. I don't know why people say he can score in may different ways - he doesn't go through or around defenders. Best shooter, but isn't eye catching
@happycanayjian1582
@happycanayjian1582 14 днів тому
100%. Couldn’t have said it any better myself. He doesn’t quarterback a power play, he doesn’t deke out 4 opponents to score a goal, he doesn’t hit, he isn’t physically imposing at all despite having a big body (4 penalties minutes on the season until just a few games ago?!?), he’s not especially fast. He hasn’t scored ONE SHORTHANDED GOAL in his career. Versatile? I think not. He’s a great pass receiver with a wicked wrist shot. (I’ll grant him that). But he’s milque toast beyond that. What if he played for a market like Columbus or Nashville instead? This discussion wouldn’t be had. Of course he plays in Toronto…
@stevenlopez1717
@stevenlopez1717 14 днів тому
Kucherov has 35 more points than Matthews this season 😂
@willyupshaw
@willyupshaw 14 днів тому
Like, ya, like, I get, like, a vote for the NHL awards. Totally tubular!
@user-fc2tj8lf2m
@user-fc2tj8lf2m 14 днів тому
Lol I think JD cleverly baited her into devaluing her own vote without her realizing 😂
@photophilsteingard8374
@photophilsteingard8374 14 днів тому
I think 70 goals and 100 assists are both amazing accomplishments. There are awards for the most points another for the most goals. But I feel the MVP should be given on the total skills of a player. Look at McDavid and McKinnon how dangerous they are. The amount of times they steal the puck away and skate the entire length of the ice to create a scoring opportunity. The speed they have to skate back the full length of the ice to stop a scoring chance. Both players at times will create an amazing scoring opportunity out of nothing, move arounds players and make the perfect pass for a tap in. Yes the goal was scored but 90% of that play was done before hand. It's just an assist. Or same thing but you were the 4th person to touch the puck. You created the opportunity but no points on the play for all your hard work. Another point I feel important is the play making to help set up goals for other players to score. By doing so you could help a player to become a 20 goal scorer. That would be such a boost to that players confidence. The better they play, the better the entire team plays. It's a team sport you could score 80 goals or 125 assists but if you cannot help the other players to elevate the entire team???. You cannot win by one player alone. .
@jadon3776
@jadon3776 14 днів тому
@22:54 "Do you want the guy with 70 goals or the guy with all power". She brings up a good points, I too would vote Rempe for the Hart this year.
@jadon3776
@jadon3776 14 днів тому
You bring up a lot of interesting points JD, shameful to hear the best counter-argument being "but MacKinnon is more aesthetically pleasing". It is self-admittedly "not the most scientific" approach for Mrs. Salvian to take and I think it speaks to the way the voters tend to vote with their emotions rather than with logic.
@jadon3776
@jadon3776 14 днів тому
You won that argument JD, but unfortunately the Hart trophy goes to the guy who "looks like a beast". Smh
@jadon3776
@jadon3776 14 днів тому
"Vote for the guy who looks like a beast when you're watching him". Got it, currently casting a vote for Ryan Reaves.
@pattaccone5347
@pattaccone5347 14 днів тому
Who is she and why does her opinion matter ? She doesn’t sound like she knows anything. I should also have a vote
@cameronbeard4687
@cameronbeard4687 14 днів тому
I just keep coming back to the fact that Matthews has more goals than any other player has primary assists this season
@Mattoilers97
@Mattoilers97 14 днів тому
You bias leaf fans are dumb
@stevenlopez1717
@stevenlopez1717 14 днів тому
He has fewer points than 5 players this season and Drat will surpass him by game 82.
@steverapos3904
@steverapos3904 14 днів тому
If you add up goals and primary assists, McDaivd is at 93, Kucherov at 99, and McKinnon at 101. McKinnon played 1 more game than Matthews and McDavid played 5 less. Matthews has 92 points by looking at goals and primary assists
@stevenlopez1717
@stevenlopez1717 14 днів тому
@@steverapos3904 I am not. Just points.
@derek2430
@derek2430 14 днів тому
Bingo! And you don't see it's a problem that he has a 1.82:1 goals to assist ratio? There is a separate award for goal scoring and it's named the Rocket Richard Trophy, not the Hart Trophy. I'd take McDavid's 100A over Matthews 70G all day, every day.
@Bink1221
@Bink1221 13 днів тому
O-dog said it best.. "Theres a lot of morons voting"... shouldn't even be a tough vote. Mathews destroys Mack and Kuch in every category... except assists. Secondary assists shouldn't even count. Sorry but, a guy with 140 pts shouldnt be only +11. We all know Mathews is the best defensively and kept the puck out of their net as much as he put the puck in the net. more even strength goals than Macks total... this shouldn't even be close. I hope the voters aren't just sheep following the narrative. Voters need to dig deep with an open mind.
@jadon3776
@jadon3776 14 днів тому
@5:20 Did she say "When MacKinnon won his hart trophy, that was an easy one"?? Which MacKinnon are you talking about miss, cause the one lighting up the NHL has never won a hart despite having a bajillion votes.
@willyupshaw
@willyupshaw 14 днів тому
You should timestamp the part of the video your comment refers to. It seems to me that they're both in agreement that MacKinnon has never won, but I'm not going to re-listen to the entire video to see if she said that or not.
@jadon3776
@jadon3776 14 днів тому
She comes across as so arrogant its kind of infuriating
@CanadianBongRipper
@CanadianBongRipper 14 днів тому
11:06 you just went full Leafs fan mode. Can't take your arguments seriously
@shelroda9089
@shelroda9089 14 днів тому
"Mackinnon looks cooler on the ice so he gets my vote" essentially what she's saying. Take her vote away please
@RealBillBerg_8
@RealBillBerg_8 14 днів тому
I totally lost all respect for the awards if this is the average voter... I mean what Eva! He's so cool
@asharpbflat7179
@asharpbflat7179 14 днів тому
She's totally right, MacKinnon can decide a game on his own. He's unstoppable as soon as he sees the situation. Matthews can't if he wanted. Matthews is dependent on people feeding him. MacKinnon sees the ice better, that's why he's got 31 points more points than Matthews.
@shelroda9089
@shelroda9089 14 днів тому
@@asharpbflat7179 I mean, you're wrong. But okay. Also, i didn't say Mack shouldn't win it. If your vote is based off "he just looks cool" you shouldn't be voting.
@RealBillBerg_8
@RealBillBerg_8 14 днів тому
@@asharpbflat7179 disagree, MacKinnon play against the Jets the other day? Didn't do much I guess that one. MacKinnon just plays a more frantic, higher paced style. Matthews doesn't need to play that way, he's the trigger man. I stand behind my statement, shes not qualified to vote.
@stevenlopez1717
@stevenlopez1717 14 днів тому
Doesn't Kucherov have like 40 more points than Auston Matthews?
@steverapos3904
@steverapos3904 14 днів тому
Matthews had a special season - and maybe he was the definitive MVP in the last month. But overall, McKinnon did better, it is what it is.
@juholaitakari1305
@juholaitakari1305 12 днів тому
Even if Matthews scored less i’m pretty sure the Leafs would have been in the playoffs. But would the Oilers be there without MacDavid finding his game after terrible start? O think this isn’t even close and Matthews isn’t top 3 by the end of it.
@Woke777
@Woke777 14 днів тому
Talking to a Karen be like
@fareese2441
@fareese2441 14 днів тому
JD this just proves that the voters have no clue what they are talking about. She didn’t even have Matthew’s top 5 in selke and was hesitating when you mentioned it
@red3here
@red3here 14 днів тому
Typical American.
@RealBillBerg_8
@RealBillBerg_8 14 днів тому
It's a tragedy she has a vote! I thought that qualified people were chosen
@cc-ij7cr
@cc-ij7cr 14 днів тому
​@@RealBillBerg_8dei in the nhl
@willyupshaw
@willyupshaw 14 днів тому
This diversity hire actually said: "Erik Karlsson was the first defence man to hit 100 points since da da da." Da da da? Half the tourists at the hockey hall of fame could fill in da da da for you, but not this one apparently. I guess da da da's good enough.
@Tiglath-PileserXIX
@Tiglath-PileserXIX 14 днів тому
Matthews may hit 70 goals. But knowing their luck, he might not be playing in the playoffs with something unexpected happening.
@gilgalad6231
@gilgalad6231 14 днів тому
She kept bringing up the fact that MacKinnon has 50 goals and made it seem like Matthews’ 69/70 goals wasn’t that much more impressive. I think the fact that MacKinnon having 50 and Matthews having 70 makes the 70 even MORE impressive. Matthews took the number of goals one of the top three players in the whole league had and added 33% more goals. That said, my vote goes to Josi. He took a team most people had as rebuilding and quite thoroughly out of the playoffs to 99 pts and a WC1 spot. Goals, primary assists, defensive play. Without Josi, the Preds are 7th in the central. Also, Defensemen are just naturally underrated in my book. The last time a Dman won the Hart was in 2000. You’re telling me it has been 24 years since the most valuable player on a team was a defenseman? Now, that isn’t saying it applies this year. But, it does show trophy voters undervalue D in the long term. Watching Josi play on Nashville… he gets my vote. My picks in order are: Josi Matthews Crosby MacKinnon McDavid
@Mattoilers97
@Mattoilers97 14 днів тому
Terrible bias leaf fan it’s not always about leafs
@gilgalad6231
@gilgalad6231 14 днів тому
@@Mattoilers97Im a Preds fan.😅
@fatmanjebis
@fatmanjebis 14 днів тому
1150 points between top 9 players
@ryanhillier107
@ryanhillier107 14 днів тому
Sorry but she doesnt even seem confident in her choice.
@HandShakeLineRespect
@HandShakeLineRespect 14 днів тому
The PHWA needs to remove this person from ever voting again. Embarrassing.
@AustonMatthews_GOAT
@AustonMatthews_GOAT 14 днів тому
First Commernt, also big fan. Look at the name.
@cc-ij7cr
@cc-ij7cr 14 днів тому
23:05 sounds like she rather date him
@timberwolf3781
@timberwolf3781 14 днів тому
Mathews shouldnt win the Hart. The Conne Smythe maybe.... but the Hart should go to Sid if the Pens get in
@matthewsimonds3346
@matthewsimonds3346 14 днів тому
Why should making the playoffs be a factor? It’s not most valuable on a playoff team
@timberwolf3781
@timberwolf3781 14 днів тому
@@matthewsimonds3346 wrong it is the player deamed most valuable to his team during the regular season....... And making the playoffs when no one picked you to have a chance and your best D was dealt....and still you make the playoffs.... that IS MVP material. Technically it usually goes to the points leader.... so Kuch would be acceptable. Give Mathews the Rocket and the Selkie or jennings even..... and then give him the Conne!
@RealBillBerg_8
@RealBillBerg_8 14 днів тому
⁠best D? Who was dealt?
@cc-ij7cr
@cc-ij7cr 14 днів тому
​@RealBillBerg_8 they got the reigning norris winner and that guy thought they traded their best d? What a weirdo
@Woke777
@Woke777 14 днів тому
5 mins in I turned it. Lol
@MySundin13
@MySundin13 14 днів тому
Matthews over McKinnon
@CanadianBongRipper
@CanadianBongRipper 14 днів тому
How are you going to downplay Kucherov's year? He has 142 points while the 2nd in scoring for Tampa has 89 points! Take away Kucherov from the Lightning and they don't make the playoffs. And are we going to ignore how good McDavid has been defensively this year? He should legit get selke votes, anyone who disagree hasn't seen many Oilers games this year.
@RealBillBerg_8
@RealBillBerg_8 14 днів тому
I'm kind of in the Kuch camp but defensively hes not a factor
@Mattoilers97
@Mattoilers97 14 днів тому
Doesn’t deserve it
@pierresoorden5975
@pierresoorden5975 14 днів тому
Will there be more than one win of a round in 20 years...
@MySundin13
@MySundin13 14 днів тому
jealous 😂. Conf Final this year
@brianmouland209
@brianmouland209 14 днів тому
Don’t deserve it
@red3here
@red3here 14 днів тому
Of course he does you are just saying that because you don’t want him to win it.
@jimlangdon1947
@jimlangdon1947 14 днів тому
Matthews doesn’t even deserve consideration for the Hart - Sammy has been a more valuable player for the Leafs this year than Auston.😀
@tayflyfree497
@tayflyfree497 14 днів тому
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