It already is 😂😂 atleast in ultimate champion

i mean.... in mid ladder maybe but log bait will just take advantage of the fact that arrows is a +0 trade into goblin barrel instead of log

​@@darthhydreigon820 Log bait won't take anything because dagger duchess take only one hit from govlin barrel

​@@darthhydreigon820nobody uses logbait anymore though

Good for me 👍

I would say it is needed but not the nerf suggested

Nah, it's broken against princess tower and cannoneer

disagreed, no hp or hitspeed buffs needed for evolutions.

Nah evo bats needed a nerf, but this one is quite bigger than needed

They probably would've been a top 3 evo if they didn't get nerfed since everything else did.

*tin foil hat on*: what if they're nerfing all the old evolutions so people have to pay for the new broken ones

It’s actually kinda smart for profit

@@TelepathShieldthats why they do it

So youre saying supercell wants money? Thats like saying its cold outside during the winter.

20 billion dollar company via predatory monetization and psychological manipulation on naive teenagers (majority) and also whales.

@@gustavof2241they don’t, survive with 1hp

@@gustavof2241Evo barbs still won’t die

Now they can do that after they made a lot of money

@@Frosty_V0 oh true, sry

@@gustavof2241 all good 👍🏼

Hopefully they hit the barbarian hut

for diamond pass users only

It's out rn as u say of it! 🎉🎉🥳❤

that would be dope ngl 😂 like fuck it, we would have a lot of fun, but only if it was for all players, not LVL15

@@HobNob-tr1nm Ultra mega platinum pass*

Health nerf is the safest option for now! If they reduce her dagger ammo from 8 to 7 that means a hog will get an extra hit and basically change a lot of stuff. They might do it tho but not now

Well, most people played duchess with very spamming decks that tend to draw to take advantage of the fact that the duchess has a higher chance of winning draws

Exactly but now it's a trade off, you're using the safest tower in the game to bridge spam, but you have less hp than the princess and are useless into tanks. Canoneer is the same but is good into tanks, bad into swarms. And Princess finally has a role again, best against swarms, bad dps but highest hp so you can tank more cheap damage

so you can build your deck with this in mind, so golem is still gonna be played with duchess so you don't have to respond to things and cycle decks will be probably better with canoneer because they struggle against tanks but can easily defend bats at the bridge.

My idea is that she should have the same damage per hit of the princess, because the 2 shots a lot of things princess 3 shots

If you don't play arrows, it's gonna be so much more worse

Arrows are already obligatory if you are F2P. Not only because of Firecracker but logbait and cycle decks in general. If they nerf Arrows, I immediately stop playing

@@insight1239 not true, with this nerf, princess tower + log can also full counter an evo fire cracker.

​@@thewhitetophat8965you do realize most people play Evo fire cracker at the bridge to get chip damage

@@thewhitetophat8965 😂 Who plays evo cracker alone at the bridge, there's obviously gonna be a tank in front of it

Sadly it will still be used as they didn't touch its dmg so players still know that one evo Bomber connection to the tower can win games. But atleast an evo bomber getting 2 shots in the tower is not as bad as the old evo cracker doing half the tower's hp in 1 collateral splash.

Agreed, I am so sick of Evo Bomber

That is a very tame way to say that evo bomber can go-

just use arrows in every deck and you're fine against half of the evos (skeletons, archers, firecracker, bomber, wallbreakers, bats, even barbs if you log them too)

​@@st1lysh35kkk

agreed

Don't worry next patch they'll take it away along with another few hitpoints lmao

Yeah how is mortar fair?? It’s my main deck…. Mortar is already average….

I main mortar and yea the Evo ain't too good but I'll still love my mortar evo

​@@eckavolo I think it's a standardization nerf - they are trying to standardize the fact that evos no longer have health buffs. It's a good change because it fucks up interactions and makes things confusing.

​@@scottbradford8041 ​ I think it's a standardization nerf - they are trying to standardize the fact that evos no longer have health buffs. It's a good change because it fucks up interactions and makes things confusing.

@@booradley8970 But the problem is that they completely removed the mortar's health increase instead of just reducing it like other evos.

Frr I don't even care about the health nerf since I use Ice bow I just need the stuns

True, the Hp did help it a lot but Tesla was already such a solid card on defense even before it got its evolution. The death shockwave is gonna be cool. Also, probably really clutch on defense.

Even if you didn't realize it, that still benefited you

It can survive a lightining

This I agree with

As an rg player i wanna kms

Evo skeletons nerf is honestly hard to judge because they're in a really weird state where Evo skeletons are both really strong but really weak at the same time, so balancing it is kinda a nightmare.

All the other evos got nerved big time if they didn't nerf mortar and rg then they would become broken compared to the other evos

​@@Darkwolf69420 everyone going to carry arrows, the nerf just makes it worse than goblins ngl, so if someone loses to evo skeletons after the nerf, they should uninstall

The season shop ones arent random, they are based on the release date of the evolutions, from earkiest to latest

@@ThePathForward. But it's still only 3 and you can't change what you get

LMAO

Genius 😂😂😂 fair played

Nope

Don't be fooled, they are just making things better for a short time. Remember masteries? It's a cycle.

@@booradley8970 😭 what do you think theyre gonna do next. balance wise. like how will they ruin it next

Devs ADMITTING that EVOs have been OP, maybe even broken.

I can see it be better at punishing though. If opponent tries kiting with skeletons and something cheap while low elixir, the barb will run for longer after cleaning up

I would say it's just a rework. The death shockwave is gonna help but gotta say the extra HP was usefull too. Might be as good as it is rn.

@@basdevaal9370not really, this is def a buff. now spells are effective against it but can still eradicate hogs since the zap thing will stun upon death, totaled twice

@@TTboi69 I don't agree but I respect your opinion.

It’s for sure a nerf. The high hp was the only reason matchups like lavahound were possible. Now fireball can take out the majority of evo Tesla.

@@eltonhuang7155 yeah I agree

Better late than never

Sounds from someone mad after buying broken cards

@@manofculture6431 sounds like a mega knight witch player who has no evolution

​@@AirConsGamingoh you surely felt it

​@@AirConsGamingwhat's your point? Evos deserved all the nerfs, they are broken af, did u spend on the game? That makes it even more deserved

Playing miner wall breakers is a nightmare against her

battle ram still counters, just use ice golem, noob

​@@_Circus_Clapped_now i introduce you to a pro move : put anything down ( that have more health than skeleton) to dps down the ice golem and the ram 😲

@@_Circus_Clapped_ You’re so smart my guy.

Helps make the other towers more useful though. That higher health just made you obligated to use dagger dutchess because if it came down to spell cycle, the tower with higher base health has a huge advantage.

That’s dumb

@@amarebarriner5895someone’s ptw

Literally every health buff has caused an issue. (except maybe the valk becuase no one uses the evo slot on valk even after the buff). Dare I say it, but launch Evo Knight could have probably been just fine without it's health buff.

​@@amarebarriner5895You sir are dumb , an evo should'nt change how a card interacts with spells , With troops interaction changes must happen , but spells should always have the same outcome to using them , otherwise why even have them in your deck if they don't give you that single interaction you put them in for.

Evo Rg is garbage now, maybe he should have a 1.5s hit speed instead of 1.7 or have a bigger knockback radius

Lmao

What in the fuck is that?

I’m thinking celestial means taper not tamper, which is a hair cut that my boss daddy needs 😍

Wtf

@@oceans6517 who the hell is boss daddy?

Not really its a rework but in some decks like gy and golem its kinda of a buff

@@Larry1631 the health nerf doesnt do much, upgrading its ability is way more effective imo

@@Larry1631that damage reduction will probably give it overall more health than just the health nerf it got.

It seemed like a buff to me aswell but then I thought about it: While hes walking, you probably can't kill him anyway. The reduction going up doesn't really change that. He is basicly invicible in that state, no matter if it's 60% or 70%. You kill him when he stands kill and there you can now kill him slightly faster. This seems a lot more sigificant to me.

It's a nerf in my opinion. When was the last time you killed an evo knight while it was walking? It rarely happens. Now, it will take less damage when approaching the target (which it already took basically none), but die a good bit quicker once he stops moving. I think this will lead to him getting fewer hits on the tower overall.

I think it's a standardization nerf - they are trying to standardize the fact that evos no longer have health buffs. It's a good change because it fucks up interactions and makes things confusing. They are nerfing all evos.

He'll no it still is going to do damage of arrows which means it's going to kill evo archers and evo firecracker

@@booradley8970 the evo zap "health buff" right righ

I think people are underestimating it after the nerf. I think it will be around B tier, as the stuff is still very nice and it can be a weaker poison still also

​@@booradley8970bro evo mortar does not need a nerf and standardisation my butt evo valk and evo knight still have a hp buff

has really low hp, feels like a disadvantage playing it

@@mazinhussein4297 every skeleton hit feels like an attack on your soul

Or all of the evolutions are broken since arrows never killed anything

@@CarbonFang25 If you used rocket or lightning then it didn't really mattered before whether they died to arrows or not.

​@@Lucy_595 maybe nerfing the logs crown tower damage played a part in it? Before the log was nerfed, it had the best elixir cost to crown tower damage ratio of any small spell (earthquake is a medium spell). It far outclassed arrows for this reason. Now ever since the log crown tower damage nerf, there really is no reason to not use arrows to the point where some people are using them with fireball and poison, cards that you don't traditionally see with arrows. I'm not saying log needs a buff, but when a card has no competition, of course it is going to be used a lot.

@@CarbonFang25 for us non arrow players all we just see is stat buffs, weve always had to kill them the hard way. for arrows players its a free peace of mind

@@rabeechowdhury Log is still considered broken by pros. It will always be strong. But arrows is just way better. The radius is absurd, you can almost never miss anything.

Idk there is so much things got nerfed that dont needed

I think they're nerfing all the old evolutions so people have to pay for newer evolutions

​@@beaclever ​ I think it's a standardization nerf - they are trying to standardize the fact that evos no longer have health buffs. It's a good change because it fucks up interactions and makes things confusing.

@@beacleversomebody paid for evolutions hahaha

​@@potatoesalad693 OH, crap, that might be a good point. Although they didn't really nerf my baby Recruits, and getting evolutions isn't the worst thing in the world anymore (although it's still too hard)

Elixir collector shouldn't be meta

@@aoi2853 If everyone is using Elixir Collector you could use earthquake to counter it.

Now I need to see if this is a thing by looking up rule 34

interesting point

Toxic mechanic Would be like firecraker but ever more frustraring

Plus it would be pretty useless, because using 1 elixir for evading a spell he alone plus it's very probably he is not gonna get spelled, the card would be a much worse monk

Good idea but card drop delay makes it trash in most cases

You know I got a good idea for your card, but it has a problem, but could be easily fixed , if you use hability back exactly when a melee is gonna hit, you counter with the exact damage + champion attack damage, and he doesn't receive the damage, plus stuns the card for 1-2 seconds, and if you think is broken, remember it costs 1 elixir to cast and it must be casted correctly, plus depending on the card It would not be very effective, or maybe take away the stun but he can dodge more than 1 attack and reflect range ones, so maybe a skill card that gives good offer for a little prediction, but it would need that wind up reduced, or taken away and have a little animation, so it's not just press, and the attacks are automatic, so it's better if it's has a little wind up, but not the amount right not

Very hard to balance

Same

Yeah I use Giant beatdown deck so I also feel joy to see Dagger Dutchess over Cannoonneer.

Please, be wrong this time.

Good thing I only play this game at school

Skill issue. Kidding, kinda dumb archers and firecracker die to arrows though.

Zap shouldn't have been touched too. It's fine.

they really made the already most popular spell an obligatory choice in every deck 💀

That'll happen once the next champion is in the game

Nah, it's actually balanced rn

@@Katray...no it’s not. Little Prince is still strong, just not broken like on release. It can still use a nerf or two before it’s actually balanced

@@Katray...I think you forgot the little shit is 3 elixir and can counter 90% of the cards in the game

@@Katray... Dude, it's a 3 elixer champion. That's already broken

Pump is so annoying and its completely unfair

It's a big buff exactly. They just gave the old damage reduction stats back to the Knight. Gonna be the most broken evo for sure or Supercell has to change it. Like a 5% buff I understand but come on 17% is a lot.

Good

They have to nerf the existing evos into oblivion so that everyone has to buy the new broken ones.

​@@fullaccess2645Imagine if they do that 😭😭😭

@@fullaccess2645 no joke I feel like they're gonna do that 💀

They always wait until after people purchase to nerf

it was kinda obvious though she would get a nerf sooner or later

Yep. If you're looking for a sustainable deck, best just stick with cards that have already been nerfed. Or just use XBow Rocket Ice wiz. Somehow Hunter is still rocking that deck and doing really well. Got a lot of f2p friendly cards too

​@@dogyX3That deck is probably the most skilled deck ever. One simple mistake and that's gonna cost you a game

Duchess was free on launch wdym just got it

@@lksubin defending and cycling rockets is just lazy. Only because hunter is good with it doesnt mean that it isnt trash

Why did they nerf my main card

This Recruits nerf was completely ridiculous. They were already balanced and their life is already pretty low, now they just made them 10% weaker. They should at least increse their shield hp or buff the damage

@@MadMax17222 completely agree that change was so unnecessary

It does: SC should honestly just make all evos have base stats, except for those that die to spells I.E: Evo knight has no health buff but barbarians do

Exactly! That's a huge buff actually.

I like the change just makes it better against duchess

Wait so basically don’t nerf almost all those annoying and op evos…nah. NERF HAMMER

@@KingOfAllGigas just the nearly balanced and not so broken ones like valk, rg, mortar and the cards that don't don't to arrows anymore especially now that arrows is meta

@@gavinaaric nah. I think overall for the game. Just like Evo bomber, nerf the archers and firecracker and let them die to arrows

@@KingOfAllGigas respectfully no, because bomber is 2 elixir while archers and firecracker are 3 elixir just an opinion

​@@gavinaaricI agree with your thoughts exactly. Evo cracker/archers dying to arrows because people can't block it when it's going at the bridge is their own skill issue! I haven't lost to a hog player or egiant player since a couple months ago and I don't even run arrows

It's still going to be the best tower troop I feel like instead of less health it should of gotten one less max dagger maybe even two

They kinda avoided the main problem with DD, which is being able to destroy win conditions in a matter of seconds, but hey, at least they nerfed it.

@@averageballfan3168 I mean it only punishes people who cycle spam unprotected troops at the bridge. Mainly counters zero IQ 2.6 hog which pretty much always gets damage unless you have a building. Even then you’d have to have a really fast cycle to keep up with the hog riders being spammed. I’m a PBS main but it didn’t really affect how I play because I don’t usually just spam cycle battle rams at the bridge. Also dutchess is extremely weak once she runs out of arrows so if you play smart she’s easy to catch out if you overwhelm her.

bro the vid is 8 min and its been 59 sec stfu u havent watched shit

True

Maybe evolved morter and evolved rg didn't need it, but most of the other cards needed it with the direction they were moving in (tower troops that hit slower or potentially only hit ground). I think with regular archers they should just revert them to their old initial attack and slower hits hitspeed, but make it hit 0.1 seconds faster instead of 0.2 seconds faster. Evo knight rework opens the way for 3M to get a change (maybe even a separated card from the regular musketeer) because of its counterplay. Regular recruits were buffed. They propose nerfing all evolutions (besides ice spirit) to increase the likelihood of it not just being moving on to the next broken evolution for the next two months.

Maybe they're nerfing all the old evolutions so people have to buy new broken evolutions

bro im so gonna unsub

stop this stupid fucking joke jesus christ

Its not funny or anything ur just a npc

This type of comment needs to fall off

So funny😂😂😂

Good point. Such a Pitty that CR devs are such braindead greedy ghouls