Base Model 3-Series vs M3 CS
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We compare the base model BMW 330i against the top-trim M3 CS to see if the M3 is worth the hefty price tag.
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@schwingadysn 2 місяці тому
No knobs and physical buttons for basic controls really is a middle finger to a customer buying a 44k vehicle. You know it's cost cutting.
@vexedpixels 2 місяці тому
It’s not cost cutting, it’s an attempt at “streamlining” it visually. I prefer having buttons for certain things, still though
@Firestarg 2 місяці тому
🤓☝️@@vexedpixels
@drdriftphd 2 місяці тому
as a BMW owner, I can assure you that there's a knob in almost every one of them
@moneeb343 2 місяці тому
It is absolutely cost cutting. A single physical switch requires so much more R&D and physical material; putting everything behind a screen removes that cost. It isn't streamlining visual clutter in anyway when the most overpriced and specced out car in the video STILL has blank switches @5:37 @@vexedpixels
@Isreal.Murray 2 місяці тому
@@drdriftphdlol
@rambol1881 2 місяці тому
Top spec v. Base model should be a regular series for the channel
@maldomoto3159 2 місяці тому
yes indeed
@nickolson5362 2 місяці тому
I agree 👍
@warrison08 2 місяці тому
True
@sageosaka 2 місяці тому
agreed
@22trevorc 2 місяці тому
This ☝️
@jj481012 2 місяці тому
Top trim 911 vs base 911 would be a great test
@jakenelson1658 2 місяці тому
I think that would be a rare case where the base wins
@codybolstad2040 2 місяці тому
@@jakenelson1658you’re taking a base carrera vs a cgt, 918 or a gt2 rs?
@TheTypist1998 2 місяці тому
@@codybolstad2040most likely a turbo s I would think, considering they maintain the same interiors but totally different engine specs. A base 911 is obviously 10 time more daily capable than a gt3rs or 2rs
@mrjonahwhite Місяць тому
Need
@pancake5830 Місяць тому
gonna go exactly like this video base is more drivable on the road, not as scary in terms of fragile expensive things sticking out of the car top trim is gonna be way faster and more at home on the track
@carad1790 2 місяці тому
Nolan out here doing some hard work to change the average driver's BMW experience
@chefgiovanni 2 місяці тому
BMW = great seats, great suspension, fast and strong engine, but ... is the worst pile of garbage ever made. The cars are so unreliable, electrical issues, oil burners and other little things. We owned many, never again.🤓
@demoths 2 місяці тому
@@chefgiovanni wait, what bmw do you have that burns oil??? All of em that I've seen let it all leak out before it has a chance to burn 😂😂😂
@cam_s_ 2 місяці тому
@chefgiovanni lol what was the last bmw you had? i've never had any issues at all. the only bmws that are genuinely unreliable (besides n54s and the early n63) are the ones that were either driven like shit or not maintained properly
@rustyscrewdrivr 2 місяці тому
@@chefgiovannitake care of your cars bro
@blocksource4192 Місяць тому
@@chefgiovanni Did you stop after 2012? Basically all of em after 2017 are perfectly built... 2017 was the last year with the N20 engine (pos)
@larryhouse3776 2 місяці тому
Base Trim VS. Max Trim is fun. Would be fun to see with a Mustang and Charger aswell because the gaps in those are MASSIVE.
@hazaelvega4366 2 місяці тому
This 👆🏽
@xXspark365Xx 2 місяці тому
Very good idea
@gbmaxse 2 місяці тому
The mustang maybe. Chargers are all garbage. Regardless of price.
@larryhouse3776 2 місяці тому
@@gbmaxse from a first vehicle entry level budget V6, up to literally the most powerful 4 door sedan ever made. Call it what you want
@blue0856 2 місяці тому
the porsche 911 too
@FrancoDFernando 2 місяці тому
Yup I hate how all the controls are going into the huge screen
@zacharyeversole 2 місяці тому
Blame the best selling car in the world
@tylerbuck9347 2 місяці тому
@@zacharyeversole which is?
@zacharyeversole 2 місяці тому
@@tylerbuck9347 Tesla model Y
@honson7 2 місяці тому
100% glad I can’t afford new cars 😂
@bigdre247 2 місяці тому
I like button and nobs, when you hit a bump / rough road that touch screen gets caught lacking
@FixItRyan 2 місяці тому
I would’ve loved to seen the 330 go around the track with the wheels and tires from the CS!
@kuebby 2 місяці тому
Even just a better set of tires would get back a couple seconds of that 11 second difference for like $1000 max.
@Anvarynn 2 місяці тому
Dooooon't think they'd fit naturally
@edugamer950 Місяць тому
@@Anvarynn They may poke out but I don't think they would rub, but they should've tryied it out to let us see
@Anvarynn Місяць тому
@@edugamer950 if they poke past the fender on a passenger vehicle without a lift, you’re either grinding on the suspension strut or you’re rubbing the inner fender with the wheel turned, if you can even get it to full lock
@edugamer950 Місяць тому
@@Anvarynn Again, I think they would fit, The "Base" Chassis is made to be able to fit tyres for the M340i which are already big enough, It's not like we're talking about fitting them to base 2-series...
@monke5574 2 місяці тому
Nolan be risking it all driving these expensive cars on the track. MVP Nolan you got balls of fucking steel my friend.
@purwantiallan5089 Місяць тому
Nolan also ever driven the 1998 Esperante GTR-1 before.
@yourlocalrenaultmegane 2 місяці тому
The cheapest is the 318d in Europe and is going for 49k which is kinda bad knowing the us ones have a lot more extras than the one here.
@achaz_ 2 місяці тому
You want a 3 series ? 80k€. You want an X1 ? 85k€. You want an XM ? 203k€. You want the EXACT SAME XM in the us ? 99k€ (after conversion) I'm crying.
@ZdenekHorsak 2 місяці тому
Exactly, i was like STFU complaining about it not having acc and venti seats stock, in EUrope in this price range you get slightly specced Skoda Octavia not 3 series...
@MRMV483 2 місяці тому
@@ZdenekHorsakI always struggle with this when watching American car content when they complain about prices, I just cringe 💀
@TheMainCore 2 місяці тому
We don't get that model in Sweden, 330 with hybrid engine is the base one. Soo, can't just say Europe like its a country.
@spencerross4282 2 місяці тому
@@MRMV483gotta remember these cars that they're showing are NOT what the majority of america drives, this is like high-middle class. The majority of america drive pre 2015-2016 cars, which are almost a decade old at this point.
@congfeiyin4179 2 місяці тому
bought the 2020 330i, has all the knobs and buttons, loving it.
@royalsoul1125 2 місяці тому
Same 😁
@alexmeynard79 2 місяці тому
@@royalsoul1125 got my 2020 330i in December and overall super happy with it too
@royalsoul1125 2 місяці тому
@@alexmeynard79 mine is Xdrive and i bet if the guys in the video had an Xdrive version it would have performed much better. When mine takes curves it stays planted to the ground like glue
@chinglishjiang7259 2 місяці тому
same and I got some semi-slick on and took it to track it turns fine, lots of body rolls but gets in the corner really good.
@SteezyKillzYUU 2 місяці тому
My 2020 340i is amazing bro, I love it ❤️❤️
@SD-oe7jq 2 місяці тому
I daily a 2020 330i pre-LCI which has the physical climate buttons still and I love it. I want to keep it as long as I can.
@tpp4007 2 місяці тому
I rented that M3 and wow, it was crazy on the highway. Made me do things that I would never do!
@beer_coin 2 місяці тому
changing lanes with no blinkers?
@tpp4007 2 місяці тому
@@beer_coin surprisingly, I did use blinkers! It had lane warning assist, but it was minimal, but I still used blinkers when changing lanes. I had that car for a few weeks, just pure fun!
@jkdoodle4460 2 місяці тому
@@tpp4007you can’t adjust the level of assist and turn it off
@evelynsahoe8896 Місяць тому
@@jkdoodle4460 you can but it's not the easiest thing to find, they buried it behind menu's in the gauge cluster screen.
@erikalvarez4516 2 місяці тому
I prefer the sedan front end. An m340i would be the sweet spot for me
@natedostalik3538 2 місяці тому
Plus u get the b58 😫
@bigdre247 2 місяці тому
Agreed that bumper is ugly
@rickg2967 2 місяці тому
yeah i wish they compared the m340i
@erikalvarez4516 2 місяці тому
The sedan has that iconic 3 split air dam (on the M sport package) The new M3/4 and 4 series is just a cluster. (Says the guy that can't even afford to fill the gas tank in one 😂)
@erikalvarez4516 2 місяці тому
@@natedostalik3538 as a current n54 owner/mechanic I love seeing the reliability of the b58 be eons ahead
@jamescresswell1532 2 місяці тому
Nolan’s voice suddenly turning into Seth Rogan’s when he’s into the second-half of the M3CS lap was unexpected and quite funny!
@elzo7777 2 місяці тому
Lmao i hear it too
@postalpancho 2 місяці тому
Nice. I’m currently in a 230i, essentially a 2 door 3 Series, and when you option on the ELSD, performance brakes and tires the gap between them closes considerably. I’ve absolutely dominated against Corvettes, Porsches and other M cars at my local autocross. Also the “255hp” that BMW states is hilariously underrated. My bone stock 230i can easily do 5 sec 0-60s and I’m assuming low 13s in the quarter. I think if anyone is considering a GR86, GR Corolla, Elantra N, WRX, GTI or even a Civic Type R they should also give BMW a try. The 330i B48 and B58 engines make great tuner cars if you plan on wanting to modify them. I’ve owned Camaro SS, WRX, and GT86, civic SI and so far the BMW has been my favorite. It does everything so well.
@idokwatcher2062 2 місяці тому
Everything except driver engagement. The shittiest EPS in the industry and refusal to provide manual transmission in anything but most expensive overpriced M2 and M3.
@Uilliam56 2 місяці тому
The 2 series is not a “2 door 3 series”but a “2 door 1 series” if you’re talking about the F chassis
@fikri3614 2 місяці тому
In indonesia and other countries in southeast asia 330i usually sold with M sport package,adaptive suspension,msport steering wheel,bumpers,bigger rims,msport brakes etc etc. The base model is 320i
@quicknick1234 2 місяці тому
In Germany the base model g20 is the 318i
@phiillzzz807 2 місяці тому
@@quicknick1234isnt that the 3 cylinder version?
@randomuploads20 2 місяці тому
Of course BMWs are stable at high speeds, they are made for the autobahn
@mikeoxlong6351 2 місяці тому
Totally forgot the car is manufactured in the same country as the autobahn 😂, was doing +160mph on an empty highway and was blown how well the car handles all around at those speeds. ❤
@sys-administrator 2 місяці тому
Not the four-cylinders, one the 6,8, 10 and 12 ones.
@Aron2063 2 місяці тому
As Jeremy would say, the purple m3CS looks like a training shoe.
@rogier7411 2 місяці тому
A trainer
@joshcasey8196 2 місяці тому
Love this format of comparison between models of cars. More please!
@chaosaxis914 2 місяці тому
This video was fun but I work as a BMW Technician and Comparing a g20 and a g80 is not a fair comparison. NONE of the parts between those cars are interchangeable. If you wanted a true base model VS. top model. You either need to compare a 330i to an M340. Or a base M3 to the M3CS.
@leonharduhl9501 2 місяці тому
the 330i isnt the actual base car, its just the base model in the us. I'm from germany and my car for driving lessons was a 315d manual with 155hp. that thing wasnt very quick but it was still a lot of fun to drive
@leonharduhl9501 2 місяці тому
ps: the 330i is in germany an probably many other places therefore considered to be a already higher performance model
@jwest19812007 2 місяці тому
And Crazy good MPG too!
@sys-administrator 2 місяці тому
@@leonharduhl9501The 330i is not the performance model, it is still a simple four cylinder even in Germany. The M340i is where performance starts.
@ameerdaniel7041 2 місяці тому
Is it still the g chassis?
@delosreyesj 2 місяці тому
Hope this becomes a series. Call it "Base vs Best".
@u_s_e_rname Місяць тому
Fr good idea
@MaoMiMeowMe 2 місяці тому
Great format. Love seeing the interior cam like this on track
@k20lifestyle 2 місяці тому
Definitely make this a series! Would love to see other makes and models such as base corolla vs Gr, base civic vs type R, etc.!
@Noelia-Nedds-You 2 місяці тому
Just bought a 2013 335i last weekend and I love it.
@bortforts 2 місяці тому
Get that stock charge pipe replaced and you’ll be good to go! Loved every second behind the wheel of mine
@yungdraco6075 2 місяці тому
Hell yeah congrats bro
@ThatFL232 2 місяці тому
Congrats man! Enjoy it :)
@dylanpage4106 2 місяці тому
Second on the plastic charge pipe
@kolbyguerra 2 місяці тому
Got me a 2015 BMW F10 and honestly I don’t like it that’s just me
@PBradleyRobb 2 місяці тому
Crunching the numbers, the CS "costs" $7700 per second of lap time improvement (price diff / time diff). I'm betting the Donut gang could improve the base for less than that. I'm guessing just some Cup 2s on that base would knock off 2-3 seconds.
@nickbee5508 2 місяці тому
LSD + tyres will bring that time right down.
@DroneStrike1776 2 місяці тому
But the resale on one of those CS hasn't depreciated one bit. They still go for MSRP on the used market. At the end of the day, you're driving a CS with fully forged crank, rods, and pistons and a tune away from 650WHP that would run with the likes of the 911 Turbo S, C8 Z06s, Astons, AMG GTs etc. Basic JB4 tunes for $799 on the M Competition already makes 626WHP on E30, 660WHP on E50. The subframe on the M cars are solidly bolted, there's bigger twin intercoolers, oil coolers, diff cooler, trans cooler, beefier ZF transmission that's known to handle 1000hp/tq, switchable AWD, chassis spot welds, carbon ceramic breaks, beefier sway bars, better adjustable dampers, the entire suspension arm setup is all cast aluminum and not steel or stamped steel, stronger engine mounts, stronger bushings, carbon fiber hood and roof, and wider tracks. The front and rear fenders are wider than the normal 3 series. You get a lot more than you think. The CS can handle more laps without wearing parts off. If you were to add whatever you can to the 330, it'll probable cost $100,000 with labor, and it's still faster and is not a forged S58 engine. Randy Pobst did a 1m24 in an old F80 M4 S55 engine with 120 hp less than the M3CS. That's about the same time Donut just did. Put that into consideration. 2024 M3 CS (Car and Driver) 60 mph: 2.7 sec 100 mph: 6.4 sec 1/4-Mile: 10.7 sec @ 129 mph 130 mph: 11.0 sec 150 mph: 16.1 sec 170 mph: 23.7 sec
@koastal312 2 місяці тому
yes but at a certain point it makes more sense to buy the more expensive car then dump money into a cheap one. Dont forget mods affect reliability and resale value negatively
@dongambino5308 2 місяці тому
@@DroneStrike1776 people dont really understand the difference between stock cars, M cars, and competition cars. totally different ball game, its like buying a regular street car vs a race car essentially. from the ground up its better engineered. boutta trade my X3 in for a comp version, maintenance bills gonna kill me lol
@stevesamuel263 2 місяці тому
No point in tuning for more hp when it will barely affect lap times. And a those cc brakes cost a fortune and don't last at all at track pace. Plus being 4000 lbs with driver, it's a show car than can do some go from time to time. @DroneStrike1776
@johannesniemand8094 2 місяці тому
225 hp is alright as a base model? holy moly. As a German i dont know anybody with a Car that fast. the golden standard here is 120-150 hp
@aidanweidner3362 2 місяці тому
i actually recently went to cali and rented the 330 the rental place i got it from had 16 miles and i took it out in the palm desert canyons it was fun.
@maaaaaac 2 місяці тому
We need a monolist of race times at Willow Springs
@kbreezy004 2 місяці тому
The heated seats and hvac control stuck in the infotainment is so annoying. I love my m340xi and absolutely hate the lack of knobs for that stuff.
@redsoxfan7111 2 місяці тому
new idrive 8.5 made a lot of improvements for it.
@lechprotean 2 місяці тому
@@redsoxfan7111 you still need to look away at the touch screen, which is NOT an imporovement over the physical buttons. I bought last gen m340i for the same reason and my next car will have to have physical buttons or some next level haptics. Current gen touchscreen + sports car = disaster waiting to happen
@redsoxfan7111 2 місяці тому
@@lechprotean you can also just use voice commands. I mean it’s the same thing as using any cars infotainment system that’s touch screen
@manofsesame3024 2 місяці тому
I don’t remember the last time I changed the temperature in my car.
@jeffwhiteside6579 2 місяці тому
I do, it was two days ago in a 2006 330i: went from 72 to 68° casually, at 100mph lol...
@biglizardmedia 2 місяці тому
I am in SoCal, just bought a new 330i from Monrovia BMW. I was in a new Integra A Spec but was having some issues, went to trade in, didn't know what exactly to go with in my price range, found a 330i with the M Spec packages that really firm up the steering and suspension and even the breaking and my god am I in love with this car. Couldn't be happier
@obdndavid 2 місяці тому
How much did they give you for trade in ?
@martex153 2 місяці тому
Never really was attracted to BMWs until I recently bought a 2021 3 series touring xdrive with the 190hp diesel and the 8 speed ZF auto and damn! it is an excellent car (and I've driven many cars). Plus it still got fantastic knobs and buttons (pre-facelift, same platform). I'm genuinelly happy with it. Great family car. For the LOLz, I simply jump into my Copper S (also pre-facelift, not de-tuned, 192hp)... returning home with a smile is unavoidable.
@cuevase3637 2 місяці тому
The wagon doesn’t get the love and recognition it deserves. I’d buy one in a heartbeat if I could.
@fuze3522 2 місяці тому
As an E90 owner.. it kinda shocks me how little the 3 series has changed since my generation of car came out. Its like they found the winning recipie and just stuck with it ha, even almost 20 years after the debut of the E9X generation.. fantastic cars i absolutely love em.
@krabes8613 2 місяці тому
E9X still has the best steering feel of any generation
@TheGamelyst 2 місяці тому
Got my 2012 E90 320D in December, and man what a drive she is.
@dasgoofinhiemer5039 2 місяці тому
pre facelift E91 here, platinum bronze over beige. I was looking to buy a Japanese offering but found them overpriced, less cared for and mostly ugly. IMO the E91could be the best looking wagons ever made if we don't count anything with four rings on the grill. find a E9X with a good history and that presents well you get a hell of a lot of car for the dollar. I had my tech look over mine on location before purchase.
@humveeRN 2 місяці тому
@@dasgoofinhiemer5039 i also have an E91 (Pre-LCI 320d) and everybody told me to run away because they suck. Im still driving the same car 5 years later and none of the scary isssues showed up (so far), but im always checking the engine for any signs of loose timing chain rattles
@TheGamelyst 2 місяці тому
@@dasgoofinhiemer5039 I went from Subaru to Bmw.
@DESTROYYER5671 2 місяці тому
I have a 2020 330i in Portemao Blue, it has the M-sport package and the pre-interior refresh so i have the AC control separate. The suspension combined with the 19" wheels gives it a more bumpy and stiff ride. It was pretty well optioned ngl, loving it so far
@DESTROYYER5671 2 місяці тому
44k is cheaper than i thought ngl, the way mine was optioned when new came out to 57k
@ContasYT 2 місяці тому
*Portimão, which is a city in Portugal with a Race Track :D
@andrefernandes771 2 місяці тому
I leased the same year, spec, color. Totally agree on it being a nice upgrade over this base model. I think a 2020 m340i would probably be the best in between.
@sosked78 2 місяці тому
Nolan and Justin are just hilarious together, love the conversational style!
@coleeto2 2 місяці тому
A track test where the 330i is given at least PS4s tires would be cool, if those are “all” season then they really aren’t designed for the track. Then we could see the difference power, suspension, AWD make as tires are easy to change but those other things aren’t
@ContasYT 2 місяці тому
Not gonna lie would love to see more videos like this comparing "poverty" spec cars to top spec and see if its actually worth it. Many "poverty" spec cars are surprisingly good or even better in some aspects than top spec :)
@rizrz34 2 місяці тому
its crazy how the 330i bumper looks better than the m3 bumper. them grilles tho
@SamP0rterBridges 2 місяці тому
The 330i looks like a Honda Accord.
@DatBoiGloomy 2 місяці тому
the grill will grow on you, my buddy bought a M3 last year and man you cannot hate that bumber irl. Its so much better than the washed kidney grill they game the base model lmao
@haoo549 2 місяці тому
@@SamP0rterBridges at least they look good and drive with confident, unlike ugly m3
@romka_ind 2 місяці тому
@@DatBoiGloomyonly if you have zero taste in car design...
@omnihein9322 2 місяці тому
@@haoo549says the guy that can barely be understood with your grammar. "Confident"
@CannonCars 2 місяці тому
If this becomes a series I think it would be my new favorite one. I love this
@buzz9296 2 місяці тому
Y’all are doing great(in my opinion) I love the new ranger that you’re gonna upgrade. Can’t wait to see what comes out of it. Keep up the good work.
@AK-sx4zp 2 місяці тому
This is becoming one of my favorite series of videos on the channel. The way that they almost always are able to bounce off the end of the others sentence is awesome
@NarwahlGaming 2 місяці тому
_"We're so close we can finish each other's..."_ _"...sandwiches."_
@darthvaydor6716 2 місяці тому
Just bought a 2013 335i last weekend and I love it
@cedrick305 2 місяці тому
Great purchase!!! First thing I'd recommend is change the electric water pump.
@EmrecanBicer 2 місяці тому
@@cedrick305nah every gasket starting with oil filter housing
@EmrecanBicer 2 місяці тому
order a gasket kit and replace everything, even if it’s not currently leaking. start with oil filter housing because if that’s leaking bad it’ll make ur belt slip off and get sucked into the oil pan and possibly (most likely) clog the pick up tube
@cedrick305 2 місяці тому
@@EmrecanBicer The person I bought mines from already did that job and warned me about that potential engine problem.
@bwofficial1776 2 місяці тому
That's two people in the comments who bought a 2013 335i last weekend. Popular car, I guess.
@chrisschlis9440 2 місяці тому
I was looking for the blinkers before it was talked about. Nolan is such a good guy!
@zaccompton5145 2 місяці тому
Its cool seeing nolans and all the guys track driving skills improve and adapt to different cars so often. Would be a great vid to see them collab with the guys at Overdrive to see how the hosts comapre agaist scott!
@Buddy1530 2 місяці тому
"That's max graphics and this is 1080p" pretty much sums everything up
@salt-emoji 2 місяці тому
Brokey
@Buddy1530 2 місяці тому
@@salt-emoji your mom
@torch05ll 2 місяці тому
😂😂 bro@@Buddy1530
@hassanshaheena 2 місяці тому
Now THIS is a great idea for a video!!!! Please do more of these!!!!
@renatoperez8792 2 місяці тому
is a paid advertisement and it seems to be working on unexpected viewers
@hassanshaheena 2 місяці тому
@@renatoperez8792 idgaf. It was good consumer advice for someone interested in buying an m3. That certain someone is me. Stop making everything about yourself. It’s lame
@renatoperez8792 2 місяці тому
@@hassanshaheena I recommend a brochure
@maggiepie8810 2 місяці тому
Justin and Nolan is a brilliant duo, great chemistry between the two of them. As a BMW fan, I love this video, too.
@NickoNagell 2 місяці тому
I love my Lexus is220d 2010 model. It only has 177hp, but it’s rear wheel drive and manual. And that turbo gives some good torque! And 2.2L V6 sounds great! It’s a fantastic daily drive, and the great handling makes it a fun ride. It stays planted on the road, even in the winter through corners I would slide in other cars, it’s stays on the road!
@Pandalius 2 місяці тому
That 25 mpg to me just sounded so little. I've had vans from over a decade ago that had that or more.
@robertcarranza1152 2 місяці тому
Seriously my f30 328i gets 30+ mpg easily
@dongambino5308 2 місяці тому
bros comparing a 4000lb bmw that was driven in comfort mode, and is a 4cyl turbo lmfao. city wise thats pretty good. if they ran the car on eco mode they could easily get 30s out of that, thats impressive for a car with 300hp available and thats modern and heavy.
@activist5741 2 місяці тому
26mpg city and 36 highway, 30mpg combined
@flatcat4078 2 місяці тому
@@robertcarranza1152and would get smoked by the new 330.
@CRneu 2 місяці тому
Yeah, basically everything should be getting 30mpg with the exception of trucks.
@b.guan0133 2 місяці тому
Gotta meet in the middle. Always wanted to own an m2 but after owning an m235i, I absolutely loved it. Really quick and fun, but also very practical for daily driving. Definitely going for an m240i next instead.
@WillRobertsonwily Місяць тому
I would like to see this one again but with higher spec tyres on the base model to see what the lap time would be then. Keep up the good work chaps, love the videos👍
@matthewthedude146 2 місяці тому
i have 2022 330i with all the physical buttons and i love it I'm glad i went with the pre LCI version.
@dheitz5830 2 місяці тому
M3 CS looks like a really, really, really fancy early-2000s Pontiac Grand Prix
@unwanted_zombie 2 місяці тому
Stop that
@jaredf31 2 місяці тому
I dont know if thats offensive for the Grand Prix or the BMW, but I sort of agree somehow. haha
@zhila5958 2 місяці тому
Don’t insult the grand prix like that
@TJDST4 2 місяці тому
Oof.
@rustler08 2 місяці тому
Tell me you're visually-impaired without explicitly saying it
@Saltitas 2 місяці тому
Got a 2014 535d with only 50k miles a few months back as my first "nice" car. This thing must've been the previous owners baby. Was basically brand new off the lot from top to bottom. And i get that diesel mpg. Shame that diesels bimmers dont sell here in the USA
@dasgoofinhiemer5039 2 місяці тому
rare and expensive. I found one example for sale in a several month timeframe when i was last car shopping. Advert was up for less than a day.
@dth2brny121 2 місяці тому
We did have diesel BMWs here. Sales stopped for good because of the emissions scandal involving Volkswagen, BMW didn't want to be looked upon as a potential defendant. It blows, but what can we do...
@helmetculture 2 місяці тому
330i The pre facelift has all the buttons and knobs in idrive7. This is idrive8 and has the two huge screens. Also the fuel mileage on the 3 series isnt okay, its insanely good. Owners are getting around 48 to 52 MPG on the freeway with eco pro mode. It disconnects the drivetrain and freewheels while idling the engine. In sport mode the fuel mileage is okay.
@aleksei8884 2 місяці тому
Been driving a pre LCI 320d xdrive for about a year, love the thing
@peskyzebra 2 місяці тому
Seems like the tires and lack of LSD were big limiting factors for the 330i. Would love to see it again with stickier rubber, or with the M340i!
@skythundersky1544 2 місяці тому
I feel like the G20 is a modern interpretation of the E46 which is probably my favorite Bimmer of all time. Love the G20 and I hope I can afford one in a few years
@wisewigga7129 2 місяці тому
It isnt at all
@willmazz 2 місяці тому
Yeh wtf
@noahfreeman2670 2 місяці тому
Bro what?
@shrxmprl2250 2 місяці тому
Explain pls. Not arguing just curious cuz that's an interesting take
@apodski 2 місяці тому
Way too big to be like an e46. However, the suspension is much better than the f30 and more like an E46 for handling.
@parkour267 21 день тому
I love my used 530e i just got. Already put a stage 2 tune and much more fun now.
@burrito-town 2 місяці тому
You guys are nailing the audio. :chefs-kiss:
@karbonkopje1039 2 місяці тому
Dude. The transition around 9.50 ish !
@drcrash788 2 місяці тому
As an M340i owner, and coming from an E46 M3, the comfort to cost ratio is right there. Hammer down, the M340i still scares me.
@lechprotean 2 місяці тому
I was there for the first year of owning one but now I'm kind of considering some little tweaks an mods - maybe a better air intake and exhaust to begin with...
@Pinfari13 2 місяці тому
The alarm at the start of the Draft Kings ad made me brace for a power surge coming from the Rebel Flagship.
@andyandroid5345 2 місяці тому
should totally do this with Audi as well, great video, would be nice to see a bit more details on the differences though. I love the channel and all you guy's content! would've been good to see an awd 330 also.
@SatvikBhadoria 2 місяці тому
I feel you should add a minimap of some sorts while on the tracks makes it a bit more interesting.
@rigosandoval5458 2 місяці тому
We need more comparisons of high end and low end of the same models! Make it a series called Hi/Low Trims??
@skipijs5316 2 місяці тому
That 330i in europe would be considered as “well equiped”. Try base 316i that like doesnt even have doors and stuff
@TrayCaddyyy 2 місяці тому
This is a cool series. Seeing muscle cars like the Charger and Mustang would be great. A base Civic vs a Type R would be fun too.
@ryantavares8759 2 місяці тому
I like the flow of this video. Clean.
@DragonBuilds 2 місяці тому
I have a base model 330i and love it. I bought it CPO and the only options specced are the convenience package and 19 in wheels. It's plenty fast for freeway driving, handles well, is comfortable, fuel efficient, and reliable. Looks great too. I don't see a need to buy something more expensive.
@StiffButtFudge 2 місяці тому
Same , 300+ horsepower only cost $800-$1300 in upgrades, and its plenty of car for plenty cheap in comparison
@BundasaurusPecs 2 місяці тому
Find it odd that the 330i is the lowest 3 series in the US. That’s a fairly fast car. In Europe you can get like the 318i which has about 140hp not the 330i’s 255hp
@Droid96 2 місяці тому
Insane that there’s no adaptive cruise control. The base Honda civic has adaptive cruise control. I’d think that’s just standard on all cars now.
@isaactrockman4417 2 місяці тому
You can get it as part of an option package on a Nissan Versa that costs $21k, and it comes standard on a base Corolla ($23k)
@drunkenhobo8020 2 місяці тому
My 2012 Suzuki has keyless & go. It's crazy there are still new cars on sale that don't even have that!
@canooples5134 2 місяці тому
you guys should do a comparison of the e60 m5 vs the f10 or f90 m5 sound test and handling and track test.
@dangalow3793 2 місяці тому
Doing great fellas. Im not a huge mustang fan but would enjoy watching this sort of comparison between 4cy v6 and v8.
@wl2486 2 місяці тому
I just picked up an Audi A5 Sportback, and a huge part of why I chose it over the BMW was the physical climate knobs + the big sportback trunk
@danbufford8848 2 місяці тому
That S58 engine in the m3 is just a retune and E85 away from 800hp and running running 9s. Crazy
@blocksource4192 Місяць тому
it can run 9s with 750hp and prepped track. And yeah ECU remaps are crazy on those cars
@silvajay6443 Місяць тому
But it's such a hard choice. Tune vs factory warranty
@blocksource4192 Місяць тому
@@silvajay6443 It's a S58 not the s85.
@AcidBurner 2 місяці тому
One of my favorite videos from you guys. I could feel the fear on the track in the CS. 😅
@g6et_wrx177 2 місяці тому
0-60 in 5.5seconds used to be super car fast and this is a base model!
@rblbatb 2 місяці тому
I am surprised the base price is "only" 44k for a BMW. Given the crazy car prices I see.
@the_wiki9408 2 місяці тому
If you look at actual dealers, you won't find any 330's for under $50k. Nobody actually carries the base models on the lot. True of all brands these days.
@DroneStrike1776 2 місяці тому
The average ICE sold is $45,000. Average EV is $62,000. That BMW is a bargain for what you get as standard.
@jefferinno 2 місяці тому
@@DroneStrike1776Yeah, anything is when comparing it to ev’s, comandante obvious 😂
@dongambino5308 2 місяці тому
you'd be surprised to find out the bigger models are in the same ball park, when you really think about it 40k for a car like a BMW isnt terrible when Hondas and Nissans are rolling off the lot at 30s. an extra 10k and youre driving German, a highway machine, vs an economy commuter. totally different ball game, you can find used BMW's for pretty decent prices, just depends on the model really. solid reliable cars just have to know what youre buying. cheapest way to own a BMW is a lease, and then buy it out
@jefferinno 2 місяці тому
@@dongambino5308 Before you get some people into debt you should mention you’re paying 4x on any repair the car needs
@ImARealHumanPerson 2 місяці тому
Am I the only one who likes the new bumper? The big grille has grown on me and I think I like it now 😅
@stephen3164 2 місяці тому
Same - though with that red accent, it looks like lipstick on a pig.
@squash661 2 місяці тому
Everyone hated the chris bangle 5 series for about 10 years then it was loved. Same will happen with this probably.
@nicechad 2 місяці тому
Yes you are the only one that mf ygly
@christopheringelandt260 2 місяці тому
I'd say you're bonkers, to me it looks like a pig with a terrible nose job. But hey I like pineapple and banana on pizza at the same time, so I might be bonkers too 🤷
@pbfloyd13 2 місяці тому
Yeah but the five series was subtly ugly and even now there are still people who aren't crazy about it, this new 3 series front end is in your face ugly and I can't see people who don't like it now coming around to it.
@bamba7a 2 місяці тому
These two hosts are both good at their jobs, but you can see that nolan is an og host. He's just so comfy in frint of the camera. Keep up the good work y'all!!
@user-cz6ox6zw3x 2 місяці тому
I’m 21, I have a 2021 330i with every package besides the M boys panels. It’s not as emotional or riveting as some of my previous or other cars (I have an 02 CLK55 AMG) but it is a perfect daily. The 2021 has climate knobs and if you get a few of the other options it takes away quite a few of the cons.
@currycel470 2 місяці тому
New M3 grill is damm aggressive. Makes every other bmw look like honda. And S58 is just perfection.
@pbfloyd13 2 місяці тому
Nobody: BMW:🐷
@StiffButtFudge 2 місяці тому
My ‘17 330i is my favorite car ever, so easy to mod for 320+hp, extremely reliable, and 25mpg POST stage 1. Can’t beat it for the price. Has nobs and drive modes to sport+, seems like the F30 was the last great generation for the 3 series
@nishantbharwani369 2 місяці тому
It's the first time i saw a G20 3-Series LCI without the M-Sport Lit, I gotta say it looks clean.
@kr63 2 місяці тому
This was a great video to watch. I hope they test more base model new cars like the 330i 👍
@Jack-jw3rd 2 місяці тому
WHAT YOU SHOULD DRIVE NEXT: Lexus Coupe series - beginning at the sc300/400 (mention Toyota Soarer counterpart, and possibly origination of that) - Then drive the SC430 (top gear hated it, but its a decent car, still good mechanical design, just looked like a shmooshed g35) - Next, since they had killed the "SC" name, "sport coupe, in replacement for LC, or "Lexus coupe", move onto the LC series ----------- could add much more to this and drag out sections in entertaining/retaining ways bc these cars are cool asf; and the fans LOVEEE Lexus/Toyota - Jerry, buy another SC400, you know you needdddd itttttt
@TheLegend-ou8vd 2 місяці тому
The cheapest 3 series is a 316i
@bruhmode6836 2 місяці тому
In might be different in america tho
@alanslicegarcia5066 2 місяці тому
It is, USA get the 330i and above. only the Minis, BMW X1 and X2 get the detuned engines.
@jonathansmith7306 2 місяці тому
We don't get that one here
@shredandenjoy7311 2 місяці тому
Amen to modern cars ditching buttons as annoying and how dangerous it is to have to take your focus so thoroughly off the road to do small adjustments to your car. Preach it! Nice job getting 1:23 there! That's a pretty damn quick time at SOW.
@bensongt3matthew401 2 місяці тому
Nolan's progression over the years of driving cars on the track is awesome to see.
@bobcantstandzyobitz9778 2 місяці тому
that carbon inlay in the seat to separate the legs looks like trash, but man it sounds great.
@ISLAMICSTORIES13 2 місяці тому
tbh dudes get those carbon buckets just for the flex as they cost like 7k. i wouldnt like having a huge inlay in my crotch.. the regular M3 seats look way better to me as they still have some comfort.
@blocksource4192 Місяць тому
@@ISLAMICSTORIES13 if ur broke just say so no need to sugarcoat that u didn't get the carbon buckets
@arsalan101 2 місяці тому
Should have done M340i vs M3CS
@DontAsk12 2 місяці тому
that would have been less of a comparison, this was to show how much of a change the lowest vs the highest price is
@jaroslavmrazek5752 2 місяці тому
@@DontAsk12 He is right, this wasnt a lowest vs highest price, this was more of a mid spec 3 series vs M3, the basic spec is much cheaper and comes with 150hp.
@ShoumikKundu 2 місяці тому
@@jaroslavmrazek5752in the US the 330i with the B48 is the base model
@BundasaurusPecs 2 місяці тому
@@ShoumikKundutrue but the point stands that the 330i is a higher spec 3 series
@DontAsk12 2 місяці тому
@@jaroslavmrazek5752 oh ok, thank you for letting me know dude
@itzmarsiemedia5498 2 місяці тому
Imagine how good a 330cs would be, but m3 suspension and 19 inch tyres with some side wall and get some mini jcw engine parts on it (give it between 300 and 400hp) and m3 aero but leave the 330 grill!! man what a dream I’m getting excited just thinking about it! Plus didn’t the e46 generation get cs Models on non m cars? Man what ever happened to that!
@perrytaylor7849 2 місяці тому
I love your shows…this comparison was great. Would you guys consider doing the same review with the Volvo V60 Polestar, and the V60 Cross Country? Same platform, totally different vehicle.
@haydenlafreniere9478 2 місяці тому
I really wonder if bmw knows we all hate the new look. Like they can’t only hear good comments cause I only ever hear bad. Just put smaller grills and bmw would be the best looking sports car built today
@sindeeeed 2 місяці тому
Base one looks good
@geertterharmsel 2 місяці тому
better
@gedward4335 2 місяці тому
More of these type of comparisons. Base vs. TypeS,GT,R/T,etc
@jordanlturner11 2 місяці тому
Loved the video, entertaining as always. However its a long shot to compare a 330i vs the m3cs in price and their intended use. Id love to see an m car so 3 or 4 vs the big block diesel verstions. I had an e90 335d touring with intercooler induction and custom exhaust with tune to match and ran the same as a standard m3. Missing the looks of course but atill had 44mpg average.
@rileycolby45 2 місяці тому
Which one eats more oil?
@omnihein9322 2 місяці тому
New BMWs are really reliable, especially the 3 series.
@highbrass7563 2 місяці тому
Lol
2 місяці тому
Alternate question is which one is more American
@Aki_Lesbrinco 2 місяці тому
New bmw's drivetrains have been basically re-engineered using Toyota's philosophy. The B58 and B48 engines were basically approved by Toyota.
@nathanielrenteria9669 2 місяці тому
The s58 has an oil consumption specification of like 1l per 3500 miles
@acs5928 2 місяці тому
That M3 front is probably not going to age that well. That overly aggressive transformer look feels really tired and kinda childish.
@CRneu 2 місяці тому
Same thing with a lot of the trucks we have nowadays. They look like a 12-year-old's idea of what a tonka truck should look like. They're hideous and won't age very well.
@DarkSession6208 2 місяці тому
It looks so bad because it looks aftermarket instead of OEM.
@blocksource4192 Місяць тому
Yet it has a lot of sales and it has a big community. we're 4 years into this car and we've seen what reception was... The F80 M3 had 34,000 units sold in its almost 6-year-long production run. The g80 m3 only 3 years in has had 25,000. What does that tell you? That it's doing poorly?
@acs5928 Місяць тому
@blocksource4192 Um, how did you comprehend anything about sales figures from my post?.....I strictly talked about aesthetics.
@acs5928 Місяць тому
@@DarkSession6208It really does doesnt it, nicely put.
@marcasswellbmd6922 2 місяці тому
For the record I was in my Manual 2017 Mustang GT and a 330 pull up next to me, I thought nothing of it because it wasn't an M series, but it was quick, He took off pedal to the floor I easy of my clutch and started to go slow, Once I saw him going herd, I nailed banged second and reeled him right in, and never looked back.. Stock on stock.. But I have the Performance Pack with the 373's so she Dig's hard..
@vladimirchervenkov6949 2 місяці тому
Awesome video, I appreciate the great comparison and opinions
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