Lol I noticed that. Also when rabban said STRIKE to the pilot he didn't hesitate cos he didn't wanna die next.😂

Imagine he had just said "i got them" and they had opened fire onto the blank rocks. Nothing achieved but he gets to live another day. That's how brutal dictatorships work, which is why Harkonnen were so ineffective.

​@@Nickname-ef9tv Yeah he could've just faked it 😂

It's like he's checking to see if Raban didn't kill him already.

Yeah, it's almost as if he was thinking "Oh shit! You're gone now..."

It's a nice nod to the quote in the books as paul takes control, the fremen became suicidal in muad'dibs name

@@oroboros88 "FOR MUAD'DIB" Oh yeah. They definitely got that down here.

Dude looked like he shit his pants after that stunt.

@@costinmicu7721 A perfect display of a man well out of his depth.

Rabban was weak. Feyd was the real deal.

I wish this was a tv show so much material

I found Rabban mostly funny in Part One, in Part Two I felt incredibly sad for him.

@@SamSpragueyeah, Rabban may be an jerk who kills people but I don’t think he’s necessarily evil. He’s just constantly on the edge of being outshone by his brother or murdered by his uncle, all while he has huge expectations pressuring him and the fact he was raised in a culture that worships violence and killing probably didn’t help his mental health either.

I like how Harkonnen brutality is depicted different for the three Harkonnens in Villeneuve's Dune movies (the books differ). Wladimir is extremely calculating. He uses brutality in public to send a message, in private only on his disposable servants. He enjoys brutality, but he never throws away a useful tool for his enjoyment or lack of self control. Rabban is frustration and rage. He vents his frustration and punishes people even if they served him impecibly and only failed due to factors outside their control. _Maybe_ he wouldn't even hurt a fly if everything went his way, which deep within Dune politics of course it doesn't. Feyd-Rautha is psychotic. He can kill any second if you only bother him somehow, or may just take pleasure in people quivering in fear. He is visciously intelligent to use it for his own agenda, but that is only a useful side-effect for someone lucky enough to be born a society that relishes his brutality.

He was set up to fail. The Barron wanted Feyd to be sent in afterwards as a savior compared to Rabban.

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ooooooooh, don't let the beast let you hear that

More like "Hey! I can see my own butt now!"

He should've said there they are and faked it 😂

Quick saves* sir they've hidden themselves *Neck snaps Any more bright ideas?

Id have accidentally fired a missile and gone "I got them M'lord, all of them one shot,lets go home!"🤣🤣

​@@Sk4Madhi_.RangeroftheNorth*Neck snaps

I thought that was nerves getting to him going into battle against Fremen.

⁠​⁠@@CommonJit was I think he’s just joking

Up to interpretation I guess

​@@CommonJsomeone suggested it might be the light making them nauseous, remember their planet orbits à black sun so they might not be used to normal sunlight

In the Atreides Empire Giedi Prime underwent re-terraforming to make it a more liveable place.

unless you are fighting Killbots that have a preset Kill limit.

Reminds of Choppers during Vietnam War, Desert Storm, Afghan War

That's because the directors favorite movie is apocalypse now, I'm praying he makes a Vietnam film after this, I thought the same thing, it feels exactly like a Nam chopper scene

​@@Hagmire That scene when 7th Air Cav takes off with the buggles

frag him, and the new commander is Feyd. not the best outcome 😂

Ironically, he’s the *good* boss. At least his rages are predictable.

He's actually killed by his own troops in the book

@@CyberMan14 not in the original book,just says he’s dead

@@CyberMan14Nope, it just says that the Fremen found his body in Arrakeen after the battle, likely killed offscreen by Fremen.

In any case they would be the ones having to explain his loss, which even facing the much more self-controlled baron likely would not end well.

@@Nickname-ef9tv you know, this reminds me a time when I was working for a small milk distributor, it was a family business and we always had to work with the lazy, stupid imprudent son of the owner. So at that time we were in charge of the distribution for one of the most dangerous zones in the city, when you work in this zones the usual is that you contact the gangs in the zone and you give them a part of your product as a tribute, so we did as usual but that day the gang leader got greedy and wanted a extra package of milk, the son didn't like the idea and they started arguing while the rest of the gang surrounded us, fortunately one of the store owners came to save us and calmed the gang leader, on the way back the idiot stay the entire road talking about how he would beat the shit of the gang leader or why we were a bunch of cowards for not defend the merchandise. That day I resigned from the job along some others.

The fact that you consider that shows how horrible of an adaptation this movie is. Feyd was loved by the masses, and specifically groomed to be the 'better option', first at home and later for leadership on Arrakis and if plans had panned out, possible even Emperor one day. He was the normal appearing, wolf in sheep's clothing, serial killer to Rabbans ham fisted, overreacting, spree killer mentality, but you would not get that impression from this movie.

@@jimlamb7642 disagree. The arena fight was the perfect example of how beloved he was by the masses. Every sociopathic thing he did we were privy to as the audience; he seems obvious to us. And if you read between the lines it's clear that the Baron is acutely aware of the importance of his nephew's reputation, even referring to his manipulation in the arena as the real gift.

@@connormartin1322 I am assuming you mean you disagree that it was a bad adaptation since you made essentially the exact same point I did about Feyd being positioned to be the 'good' choice between him and Rabban. Because my comment was specifically in reference to the above commenter saying that Rabbans troops did not kill him because they thought Feyd would be a worse leader to follow. And while I agree that fight scene was used for that exact purpose that you state, a lot of people that did not read the book did not come away with that impression, hence my 'bad adaptation' assessment.

At least Dozle went out like a champ

I mean Dozle was competent. He held onto Solomon for most of the war

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Uncommon gundam reference

0079 getting the recognition that it deserves

"They're not human, they're brutal". _ Gurney Halleck

Stop talking sense.

A lot of petty tyrants have been done in this way.

@@3vilSupermanI’m certain that a lot of academic misconduct occurs because of psychopathic investigators telling junior researchers if they don’t publish more, they are going to need a new job.

They don't call him Glossu "Beast" Rabban for his calm and collectedness under pressure. The man makes Grand Moff Tarkin look competent.

Like a coward.

Well, he never specified what he would do when he showed up. He just wanted to verify he was there....

Carmine Falcone goon: WHERE ARE YOU!?!?!?!? Batman: ...here...

You know I never realized that until right now. I was wondering why they wear those full body suits. Couldn't they breathe o nArrakis or.... Stupid of me.

Well of course. The Harkonnens are throughout the books painted as industrial powers that chew through people without any consideration of quality. The Baron for example picks a man to become his Guard Captain based on what drugs he's addicted to. How controllable those substances are. And how easily he'd be to dispose of. Their soldiers are little more than Serfs (some would say Slaves but they have some level of autonomy). The house isn't really served by making such people skilled at combat.

Sardaukar fight like Russians, burying the enemy in corpses and drowning them in blood. They're so heavily armored, they can't see above, below or behind. A nimble, stealthy enemy dissects them and vanishes before they can even react.

I would like to point out that House Harkonnen does practice slavery, and historically, the agency of slaves has varied wildly between cultures.

It does seem like a real impractical design for tactical purposes. I believe the film makers were aiming for a "spacesuit" design meant to sustain the wearer in the harsh desert climate as opposed to anything that would be tactically efficient. I think they should have stuck with the original Harkonnen body armor from the first movie.

As someone who has no knowledge of dune, I'am very worried that's a real thing.

@@matthewallen2273 Only in the movie. But yes, Feyd does have his "harpies" and they do get hungry.

Snu snu?

@@matthewallen2273 In the movie it is absolutely true. The Novel doesn't go there. Feyd will just kill those that displease him.

That’s par for the course in the books. Almost all “battle” scenes happen off scream and we just are told about it in monologues. What both this and the 1984 did was take the stuff off screen and show us. It’s why the book was talked about as unadaptable. The vast majority is just people standing around talking to each other, or monologuing off screen events. A direct adaptation would have had almost no action.

yeah compared to this poor quality footage lol

I love the smell of spice in morning

​@@hox42 Smells like.....victory

Fremen don't surf!

It is to show that deep down the Harkonnen are GOOD people. They are only following orders. In the end it was Paul and the Fremen who were the evil ones. 😞

Maybe because the flight seems like a roller coaster with all of that quick take off and maneuver.

to hammer home the hectic and violent nature of this counteroffensive, it was poorly thought out and borne out of rabban’s desperate circumstances, he needed, URGENTLY, a win to show the baron that he is a necessary asset. This entire scene felt like it had an irregular, fast and dirty rhythm.

Shows how terrifying Paul has become when the mere thought of facing him and his Fremen make you sick

I guess it is fear, they know it's a one way trip to hell, they won't come back alive.

I think that's why Frank's writing has such staying power. His villains aren't mustache twirling evil because they're evil, they're human. Startlingly so. Rabban is both a violent, entitled, and angry manchild, and a deeply insecure and cowardly man who lives in the shadows of his younger brother and uncle, knowing that he is very much the lesser child who will only ever get the scraps from Feyd's plates. He knows that he's nothing more than a tool that isn't even worth educating properly. On some level he probably knows that he is completely disposable. But he lacks the emotional maturity to deal with any of that in any healthy way, and lacks any social pressure to even try to do so. So he uses rage to hide, even from himself, just how hopeless and pointless his life is. Feyd is a violent narcissistic, egotistical, thug with the trappings of nobility and an overinflated view of his own intelligence. But he has a sense of honor, no matter how twisted. In the books he insists on honoring the Atreides gladiator to the point that his Uncle thinks Feyd will piss off the crowd. You can just see these glimmers of someone who could have been great if raised by Leto and Jessica instead of by the Harkonnen. Even Vladimir Harkonnen, the baron. He genuinely regrets the suffering he inflicts upon Leto, wishing he could have his vengeance against the Atreides in a cleaner way, and regrets the slight against Leto's honor that the Baron's honor guard see Leto in a position of weakness.

He does…and this doesn’t come close to a comparison lol

Darth Vader still delibaretly sent the message to his other underlings what failure would lead to. Rabban just lacks self control.

It's not any different in the books, the harkonnen arent good fighters compared to atriedes and especially Sardaukar and fedaykin, they rely on numbers and firepower. The Sardaukar got absolutely dog walked in pretty much all encounters in the books, even before Paul joined and taught them new tactics. Fremen women, elders, and children scared off a whole platoon of Sardaukar during a raid. The fremen were a real threat right from the get go

I mean that's true to the books as well though. The Harkonnens are poor troops and poorly led. Rabban is not bright and set up to fail. The Sardukar are very inferior to the Fremen. In the novel there's a scene where Hawat is saved by some Fremen who relay a fight they had with a mix Harkonnen/Sardukar force where they would have lost NO MEN had it not been for the Sardukar and they only lost I believe 6 with Sardukar participation. That's the Gulf in combat capability particularly on Arrakis. The only thing that can stop Paul and the Fremen is the numbers arranged against them. Even a Sardukar raid on a Sietch that killed Paul's son barely succeeded against old men (implied to be around 80) and women. And not even the top notch Fremen women who serves as warriors. The only force I think you could argue got undersold is the Atreides. Just because they get stomped by the Sardukar and maybe it's just my head cannon but part of the threat of the Atreides was that their best COULD rival Sardukar. So during the Ambush at Arrakean I would have made that point. But that's just me. To be clear the Atreides STILL loose and badly in my version just I would have included someone other than Duncan managing to kill a Sardukar.

Frank Herbert was a great writer, but action sequences and such were not his strong points In the books the Harkonnen don't come off as a threat either and the Sardukar are only a bit of a threat before Paul joins the Fremen, afterwards they get curbstomped in almost every single encounter. This also leads to narrative issues that exist in both the books and the movies, first and foremost that the Fremen somehow struggled to defeat the Harkonnen only to then steamroll both them AND the Sardukar at the same time with no difficulty at all

@@oroboros88yea exactly. They’re not real fighters compared to fremen and house atriedes

@@MeodreadNOO BOOK SPOILERS NOOOOO

To be fair, it’s a pretty important detail. That’s a lot of spice they just destroyed, no wonder Rabban is pissed.

it's funny, it's like "This is a spice Depot, now this WAS a spice depot"

@@malcolmsvensson6585 "That rat just exploded half of the entire production!" There solved.

It makes perfect sense considering the visceral reaction Rabban gives and the reason he mobilises such large numbers.

i think it adds to it honestly. Usually when you get a locations name come up it means that the location is important, and we’re most likely going to be there for a while or at the very least have a scene inside. This expectation is then literally blown away, with even the title suddenly cutting off rather then fading out with the explosion

Raban twisted it.

@@alexmurphy8024Drax reference

@dawgeater0348 Damn, I forgot about that.

Drax has mastered the ability to be COMPLETELY invisible to the naked eye...😎

@@alexmurphy8024 I forgive you! :)

Shields in open desert is a death sentence for EVERYONE. It's especially a death sentence if lasguns are in play. I don't recall IFF tags existing for infantry, or any means to detect them by infantry. The point here is that it was a poorly planned and ad hoc retaliation after a sneak attack, led by a man who's known for his animal brutality, not his tactical mind.

Also lasgun beam + shield = nuclear explosion

​@@andrewpellman6605not always, but yes there is a risk

The bit about shields I can forgive, for that I was referencing the scene where Paul and Chani ambush a harkonnens patrol and one of the guys shouts out shields. However, given that the harkonnens employ full-body atmospheric protection that comes with shield generator, I would think HUD displays that highlight allies wouldn't be too much for them.

@@paytonkraft7564 Well, in case your only exposure to Dune was the movies, shield combat in 99.99% of the Imperium rendered combat to basically just melee fighting, which is why most of the combat is with knives/swords. Shields and lasguns are mutually assured destruction, because one striking the other produces a nuclear explosion... hence the knives, but there are two notable exceptions when it comes to ranged combat: maula guns and flechette guns. Maulas are basically just the future version of what we'd consider a conventional firearm that projects a slug; flechette guns are specifically designed to fire darts that can travel slow enough to penetrate the shield, but fast enough to be lethal... if you saw the part of the first movie where Duncan was escaping Arrakeen's palace complex, one of the Sardaukar employed just such a weapon, which Duncan was able to dodge at the last second. Now, like I said, I don't recall there ever being a point where some kind of HUD tech existed, because it's important to note that almost all computing tech is forbidden in the Imperium due to the events of the Butlerian Jihad, so it may have just been that they relied on their own personal judgment of friend/foe. If the director chose to take a liberty here, I have no way to know... but the greater point here is that Harkkonnen troops, especially under Rabban, had slipshod discipline and poor leadership.

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that would just be cheap

as Tuco once said, "when you kave to shoot, shoot, don't talk"

It's not ai

No its just a sensor hooked up to a mentat. It's perfectly legal.

I mean that is the point. Rabban is painted as dumb here. The firing of the rockets a bad idea that even his subordinates were aware of, it's just you don't say no to Rabban. Also their army is little more than conscripted serfs. Both in Movie and Novel they are terrible. With an incredibly short life expectancy.

You can do so in the desert of Arrakis. No one is using a shield there on the ground. It attracts and enrages worms.

@@sinusspass1998 and if the enemy was using lazguns then the Fremen would set up shield generators atop rocky cliffs... think about it.

Not with the fact one reaction from laz to shield causes nuclear explosions to go off. Setting up shileds with the intention that The Sak soldiers would shoot them would mean Fremen would have to be on the scene and ready to die the moment one lazer hit a shield. Plus Paul is there and both sides know shields are just not an option as neither can fight the worms. That is why when the fremen were assaulting the crawler they couldn't shoot it with the big laser guns until Paul, Chani, and company disabled the shields and took out the Orthocopters. Only then could Fremen shoot the legs. That said compared to the book series they do use laz guns a bit more liberally. ​@gavincross2902

@@Nekavandre Point taken about the crawler. I just wish the movie have expanded a bit more on the lore. In Dune 1 we saw the Sardukar using a lazgun to cut into the doors and walls of the weather station just after a battle between a shielded Duncan Idaho and a section of shielded Sardukar.... Pretty dumb ass behavior for the risk of a nuke going off. The lore of Dune is pretty scarce on Lazguns just for this reason and why blades and projectile weapons are used almost exclusively in the books. Lazguns, like nukes are pretty frowned upon.

Yeah but its rad as hell, so checkmate

Shields attracks Sandworms. So they don't use shields in arrakis

@@mclovin8435 OOOOOOHHHHHH