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Botani vs the Scourge. Unstoppable tide of life vs unending tide of unlife. Aaaaaand go!

We saw a Genesaur in Legion too! In the Antorus Eonar boss fight there's one wandering around below us.

Ulderoth gives me Zerus vibes. The natural Zerg homeworld from Starcraft. A world teaming with untamed life where survival of the fittest was taken to the extreme.

Have we all forgotten about the the Botani and Saberon that managed to use the portal to escape Draenor seen running away into Northern Barrens after the Mag'har Orc Allied Race quest?

Given how much we've seen Nature get abused in WoW such as corruption by Fel and the Emerald Nightmare, i'm all for seeing Life strike back with vengeance.

2:16 😊

Another Azeroth ending threat??? (Stares in surprised pikachu face)

These generaurs/botani came to azeroth with mag'har orcs from AU draenor when they came to durotar through that giant teleport during BFA and espaced to wilderness and because of game restrictions it looks like it was only few mag'har and others who were transferred but somewhere it was stated that blizz doesn't have exact numbers but a significant fighting force arrived (mag'har)

I think it's pretty clear that they are establishing that all six of the primal forces need to be in balance for things to be OK. I mean, it's pretty easy to see that a world with Death, Disorder, or Void ascendant is pretty bad. And you can easily imagine the problems of Order ascendant - you'd have a world of stasis, where nothing ever changes. But it's easy to think that a world of Life would be pretty neat. I mean, we're life, right? The Everbloom and Ulderoth shows that that's not true. And while we haven't seen Light ascendant, I think the whole bit with Xe'ra and Illidan shows that it would not be all that pleasant.

You realise the life spores are the curse of flesh, literally turning stone to flesh

Man a cool Caverns of Time Dungeons could have been us dealing with the infinities on some alt timeline azeroth where the botani got loose and became an unchecked problem.

Dont forget about the one Saberon and One Botani that came back through the portal with us and immediately disappeared.

I love how muscular Eonar is.

It certainly would be a major problem if the Botani that escaped through the portal to the Barrens, managed to take hold in the Stagnant Oasis or the Overgrowth. By the time it is noticed, I imagine the whole of the Barrens would be changed to something as lush as Stranglethorn Vale.

The orcs have their own origin story that tells a different story, but comes to the same conclusion. The orcs have their own curse of flesh that came from the sporemound Botan. Quite interesting!

The backlore from Draenor in the second Chronicle book was easily one of the best stuff they added. Great stuff.

I wonder if the Annihilan (Pit Lords) are just demon tainted Genesaurs. Their models are very close to each other.

How does Bellular or any of the script writers not know of the massive Genesaur walking at the bottom of the Elunarian Sanctuary (on Elunaria, supposed home of Eonar) inside of Antorus, The Burning Throne raid from Legion patch 7.3? Feels like a thread almost criminally negligent to miss.

Strike from History actually showed one of Yogg-Saron’s tentacles. But the vine is a good guess.

I rememeber a quest in WOD which gave you a follower (I believe) that was activating some sort of mechanism to kill a genasaur outside of a cave. You had to go inside and activate it. Pretty cool to see this guys again.

I immediately though of ungoro crater, sholozar basin. Titan facilities all in areas of mass overgrowth. There's definitely something to that

There are Genesaurs or placeholders for similar beings on Elunaria fighting Dragons!

I imagine the Genesaurs are an extension of the Life sector of the WoW Cosmology Chart. The Titans are pure Order - even Eonar, the Titan closest to Life, was still more loyal to Order and the other Titans than she was to Life. And let's not forget that each of the six points of the Cosmology Chart are ever working against each other in a bid to claim dominance of reality, even against the points adjacent to them. So when Kairozdormu connected our "Main Timeline" to the alternate WoD one, perhaps all six points of Cosmology took notice and renewed their efforts. We know Chaos was immediately involved, with the immediate heavy demon presence. Thanks to the Mag'har allied race recruitment quests, we know the Light has taken notice and started making efforts through alternate Draenor. And as mentioned in the video, the Genesaurs started invading the main Azeroth from alternate Draenor. So perhaps the Genesaur in the War Within alpha is a small hint that we'll be seeing gathering forces not just of Shadow, but of every point of Cosmology gathering to fight for control over Azeroth herself. (whom is heavily hinted to not even be a Titan, but something far more powerful, and something thus far Cosmologically neutral)

Having the Botani pose a The Flood-like existential risk could be an interesting plot piece. Especially with modern graphics.

I mean if you need to know the scale of grond Just look at gorgrond all the way south to the throne of the elements in nagrand. That is his body.

One thing to note, shrine of storms under water section also had these root like structures in the swim section, everyone assumed it was nzoth but at the time of the story he is locked away. And all old god tentacles wriggle not remain stationary like the roots do.

Broooooo yes. Give me more Botani and Genesaurs, I felt like they were such an interesting enemy that got neglected.

Perfect quartet for mortals to exist. Life/Death and Light with Order in control of the balance.

woah how groundbreaking never seen an azeroth ending threat before

We also saw them on Elunaria

Which stone drake was that? 3:27 I’ve always wanted one can’t get the last achievement cracking skulls done they nerfed the rez sickness debuff rate before I was going to get it so now I need a lower level toon thanks blizzard! Anyways obviously the one on this vid is dynamic flight. So it’s newer I’m guessing?

There were Genesaurs that came with the Mag’har to Azeroth when they got teleported

Makes me wonder how that Genesaur ended up in the Ringing Deeps. Could have something to do with those massive roots.

The placement of the roots also would make sense if elune’ahir was once where Ungoro is currently. Probably closer to Ungoro then Pandaria.

Still waiting for blizz to show some massive jungle that formed in Durotar due to the Botani coming through, and a saberon camp

16:04 This is not a vine, but a tentacle of Yogg-Saron.

I found that creature earlier when browsing the alpha datamined npcs. It is labelled as a verdant hulk currently so unsure if they will gain a unique model, same to genesaur or something different entirely. I guess we'll have to wait and see. I am curious about the roots and the potential allied race troll/elf people. We did also see a genesaur in the maldraxxus arena.

My takeaway from this video is the WoD zones still look great.

Wowhead just datamined a "Nerubian War Beast" npc model. It kinda looks like a Genesaur with wings and a spikey carapace.

Elun'Ahir is in Un'goro Crater right? Or under but you are telling us we only have four or so zones in TWW southwest of Pandaria is the Isle of Dorn that leads into the underground yet it somehow travels sw of Pandaria and somehow all the way to Kalimdor and under Un'goro Crater? That's a lot of land just for four or so zones.

Could you guys just make a lore recap video from the alpha? Would love to know what’s going on.

Idk man. Ya know the only type of plant that lives until you rip the roots out is a weed....typically not a story element that is synonymous with things that are good. Plus we still don't know which perspective is the truth cause didn't time daddy also "rip out" Y'Sharrj

I'm curious since blizzard actually remembered the Botani exist (and dipped after the Alt Draenor), but I wonder what happened to the Saberon?

The thing is, that the Chronicles are HEAVILY biased due to their author, Odyn, being a complete and utter bell-end of a bastard. Odds are, Draenor may not have been at risk of collapse, Aggramar just saw a world overflowing with a rival Power, Life, and created a servant to fight it back, catalogue the world and buy time until the Titans could send suitable servants to the world to reshape and 'perfect' it, but that got derailed when Sargeras drank the Fel Kool-Aid. Consider that Grond looked nothing like a normal Titanic servant, being far more brutal and savage-looking, probably because he was a rush-job.

Aman'thul is showing to be more and more like the greater scope villain. Wanting nothing but order, and only order, throws the balance of all things out of the window.

Plant Zerg expansion would have been dope

Why does the pulling of the tree sound exactly like the pulling of the old god....

They should at one point in the game introduce a Natural Catastrophe thats threatening the World. And the worst and most damaging Catastrophe is a Blizzard, referencing themselves destroying the game and acknowledgning not knowing if we as players can survive it.

He Will turn Azeroth in a giant lettuce

honestly, I'd like to revisit Draenor at some point to deal with the light taint caused by Yrel

Bellular, you do realize that thing in the "strike from history" card in Hearthstone is likely just a Yogg-Saron tentacle, yeah? Legit looks the same and is colored the same.

are we forgetting the turning stone to flesh part? i think Yogg used his connection to the dream to release the "curse of flesh tu us humans etc."

Is any of this new stuff taking place in this 'Avalorn' place that was mentioned in some lootable books in DF pre-patch? The place that Odin wanted to go to because it had 'rebels' with good defences etc Is that the Isle of Dorn and the new Earthen or still a place yet to be looked into?

Given that the Aman’Thul card released with a new version of Yogg-Saron, I’m pretty sure those “vines” are actually just Yogg-Saron (you can also tell by the flaky tips of his tentacles in the background)

I actually really liked the botani part of Warlords of Draenor. I thought it was disappointing that this storyline didn't go further. It was an interesting threat because it wasn't a mustache-twirling villain. It has no morals. It's just a life form whose desire to grow and thrive is so strong that it's dangerous to everyone who comes across it. I'm interested to see where they go with this.

very interesting!

Huge Missed opportunity with alternate Draenor, Blizzard should’ve taken the planet and thrust it into our timeline. The plot possibilities would’ve been amazing to see.

I may be wrong but the HS art of Aman'thul looks like its striking the tentacles of Yogg Saron? Not some vines.

The whole ripping a tree out sure similar to ripping an old God out

that would be nice

its a better question in warcraft lore to ask what *isnt* a world ending threat

This gives me hope for a Farahlon patch, ngl

Doesn't Eonar has some kind of frozen genesuar in Elunaria?

There's also something deeper going on Draenors' past: the presence of an Old God on the world which was caused by the Void Lords blindly tossing Old Gods out into the cosmos hoping to find a World Soul to devour and corrupt to create a Void Titan. This nameless Old God would land on Primordial Draenor and it's presence would have resulted in the rise of the Evergrowth through the corrupting effects of The Void Lords on the local wildlife to drive it in the goal of devouring the entire biosphere: similar to how The Old Gods on Azeroth had created The Black Empire by corrupting the Aqir. After Aggramar showed up and created Grond to defeat the Evergrowth; this same Old God responsible for corrupting the Botani would then go dormant until it came into contact with the local Wild Gods that formed from the battle between The Evergrowth and The Breakers and corrupt Sethekk to it's cause no different than what happened with Neltharion when N'Zoth whispered to him. This detail is shown within Burning Crusade where a group of Arakkoa are seen in Shadowmoon Valley on Outland trying to commune with an Old God: Shadowmoon Valley in Warlords of Draenor was to the northeast of Spires of Arak, and if we remember our Arakkoa Archaeology: The Outcast Dreamcatcher has this noteworthy blurb for it: _"Outcast Arakkoa have repurposed the dreamcatcher not to ward off the Curse of Sethe, but to capture and harvest tiny amounts of essences from their lost gods. Rumors persist of an ever-growing mass of swirling energy buried deep beneath Skettis, whispering promises of power to any who will listen..."_ Chances are, the Old God presence beneath Draenor had likely found a means to transcend spacetime through the Mag'har Recruitment Scenario and is likely working alongside Xal'Atath in order to fulfill it's grand design of corrupting a World Soul.

thanks bellular .... u make me so happy that i am on a Pserver ... and not on retail .. TY!

The roots remind me of kirin tor eyeball a bit

There is one on Elunaria

I wonder how/if this ties together with the same imagery of Aman'Thul ripping Y'shaarj from Azeroth.

You mean the writers' room at Blizzard?

If we could turn the Evergrowth, Zang, Naanu, Botaan, and the another unnamed Sporemound into Old gods , how would they be and what powers could they have

If the Titans defeat the void forces, then they might end up fighting amongst themselves over what to do with Azeroth, and Eonar might favor Life over Order, looks like she might win too

To me, it's quite clear: They're setting up for what happens when the titans are dealt with in The Last Titan. Avaloren sporemound expansion in 2030 let's go

Did we not see one during Antorius?

What’s the video that we won’t look at ToS the again?

I mean we have Draenor Podlings in the Dream already!!

EVERY EXPANSION is a azeroth ending event.

I'm sad they forgot about all the Botani, Genesaurs and all the generic intelligent fauna that crossed with the Mag'har at the end of WoD.

"The World Soul was in a really bad state" while Azeroth's world soul during the black empire just having peaceful dreams with no sign of corruption upon the soul xD

Gimme Yrel on a crusade to trim some bushes 😊

Is the "giant light crystal" not just the end of the sword Sargeras stuck in Azeroth?

Remember, BFA islands? wanna Bet the life forces we fought there came from here?

Threat level MIDNIGHT

Why am I feeling The Last Titan is going to be a Titan Civil War over Azeroth? With Tyr and Eonar on our side, and AmanThul, Odin, etc as our enemies

When I saw it my brain very quickly went "Isn't that a genesaur? Wouldn't that be an extinction level event to have that just walking about?" But then I was like "Nah, they're probably just reusing the model." And that's the last I thought if it. The whole thing must have lasted half a second.

The relation between the titens is like a mexican love tv drama

Is this really the best Blizzard can do? Put the War back in Warcraft already!

Cant wait for the video about Manor Lords and how it puts to shame AAA game developers and especially strategy game developers.

9:22 those are roots forming the kirin tor symbol which means we will be fighting time traveling parallel universe jumping spore infested humans! 😂😂😂

FINALLY THOSE FUCKING BOTANI COMING THREW ALTERNATE DRENOR IS PAYING OFF

"This"

Bellular do you feel wow wipe is down? because im super hype for WoW in general retail and classic

As a hunter main, I'd like to tame them.

"Azeroth ending threat" and then at the end they will fizzle out with a whimper saying but no, I was misunderstood, about the EVEN BIGGER threat! God this game is just.. That is if they don't introduce story threads and just completely forget about it 1/4 of the way through the xpac and never mention it again.. like always.

The roots under a giant hole that a giant tree could have been then built over by earthens. hmmmm.

We have Venusaurs?

Without these videos I would go on thinking dungeons and bosses are just there to be cool and be killed :p

ANOTHER AZEROTH ENDING THREAT. LET’S GET TEN RANDOM PEOPLE.

didn’t some of the botani and genesaura escape onto azeroth with the mag har orks on their allied race unlock quest? this seems relevant edit : this was mentioned, cool

I really hope there won't be another alternate timeline I'm really sick of these expansive and stories.