"BIG DONG" Quong is the new man on campus now - Ben Johns has been lucky for quite a few years that no real elite athletes have played pickleball really...You got some part time people who tour half of the time and either just coach or have regular jobs to pay the bills, and then a bunch of old has-been tennis players like old man Rettenmaier and others... PPA is now getting real... more BIG DONG's to come!!! Just the beginning!

Second best. Pappa Jimmy had the best one. Same shot but backhanded.

"BIG DONG" Quong IS SUPERMAN! he's the new man on campus now - Ben Johns has been lucky for quite a few years that no real elite athletes have played pickleball really...You got some part time people who tour half of the time and either just coach or have regular jobs to pay the bills, and then a bunch of old has-been tennis players like old man Rettenmaier and others... PPA is now getting real... more BIG DONG's to come!!! Just the beginning!

Ben did have some uncharacteristic missed returns, but I still think Quang beats him regardless.

You can't say someone didn't have a bad game with such a bad return percentage.

Ben made lots of of uncharacteristic unforced errors in this match. It was obvious he was off his game.

I’m not a Big Ben johns fan, but this was definitely not a “good” game for him. Idk what you were watching

Bye bye Baby Ben in 2025 - "BIG DONG" Quong is the new man on campus now - Ben Johns has been lucky for quite a few years that no real elite athletes have played pickleball really...You got some part time people who tour half of the time and either just coach or have regular jobs to pay the bills, and then a bunch of old has-been tennis players like old man Rettenmaier and others... PPA is now getting real... more BIG DONG's to come!!! Just the beginning!

I think some of the missed returns can be blamed on the ball as well. Out of round balls can have a high or low bounce especially with a high amount of top spin. Watch how high the ball bounces on some of Ben's missed returns that he sent to the moon compared to the returns he got in. Its bouncing up to waist level or maybe a bit higher. On the other side, a bunch of the returns he sent into the net were bouncing around knee height. Not the only reason, but having experienced similar issues with Duras and hearing Vulcans are an even worst Dura it can result in making aggressive returns difficult if you are not extra focused.

Even if the ball bounces unpredictably, it's still the player's fault for not adjusting.

​@@millisockkey word "unpredictable." That is not on the returner. You can not possibly adjust to something you can't predict. The ball is bad and takes funky hops. It affects play negatively.

​@riman1212 you are correct. The ball takes bad bounces. That makes a returner miss.

@@riman1212I’ve read a ton of bad reviews about the Vulcan ball. Why is it still being used?

So true! I play 4.5 or better they NEVER complain about my serve. It is always the lower 3.0 level that do ... how pathetic!

People have been saying this every time he loses for the last 3 years. He tripled crowned last weekend and won his last 3 singles tournaments before this one

If a player complains the refs can require them use a different shirt so there's decent contrast vs the ball.

Agreed that this was better, but these casters were still biased towards rooting for Ben.

Go for it! Whatever gets the win.

What paddle does QD use?

I believe it's a Vanguard Power Air Epic

@@chubun6631 Thanks. I wonder what his shots will be like with even higher spin paddle surface that lends itself to shaping the ball/spin such as the Proton etc.

Can't speak for others, but for me the main advantage of the semi-western grip is that you can apply the windshield wiper much easier with this grip to generate top spin. I switched from a SLK Halo with a spin rating of ~1700 RPM to a Ballr Pro at ~2000, and it makes a noticeable difference (meaning I got comments from my friends/opponents not just my imagination!) in my banging shots. If you watch QD in his first meeting against BJ, he actually had too much topspin but not enough penetration on his FH drive and got destroyed by Ben. His dad/coach did a good job flatten out his banging. IIRC he did much better in the second meeting, and beat BJ for the first time on the 3rd meeting or something like that.

Same question

Looks like bowling shoes to me

PPA and pro division.

It's Quang, not Quong!

Quang (Wan) Duong (Zuon)

He's dropping it at the waistline. It's his grip spin and power that let him get away with it. Tyson Mcguffin serves from his nipple for years and no one bats an eye but this is illegal? 😂

PPA service rules are different than USAP that everyone else uses. In PPA they only look at arm angle 📐 of the arm holding the ball.

so in PPA, you can sidearm serve with paddle not in upward motion? Watched more in slo-mo and it is illegal. Cheaters will ruin PB unless this is stopped. Tyson stopped, Ben stopped, Deckle stopped. The Dongster needs to be stopped!

@@patrickderyan7403 complain to the ref next time you play him

@@smilesrykee7067 I just might... In the meantime, shouldn't you be getting another booster...? Hey - YOU decided to go there...

If he is droping ball at waist or below height contact point is at waist or below. Not above

Watch his serves in slow mo. He holds the ball with arm outstretched at waist height and when he hits, the paddle swings up and over his left shoulder. Looks like he complies with the rules. He just has a very fast, low and straight look to it it in real-time, but it is very effective and has some nice spin and drop to it as well.

@@jah.5. I watched in slo-mo and almost always a portion of his paddle is above his wrist when striking the ball - illegal.

If it had been illegal , ref or john would have complained. It’s ok until rules change again.

If oppenent serve is really good ppl starting to complain about it.Cmon just play the game ref and Johns find with that

@@patrickderyan7403 Same with Ben's serve. He also has a portion of the paddle above the wrist when he makes contact. Seems that rule is almost impossible to enforce.

Athletes grunt when they exhale and exert energy. It's not excessive, it's normal.

Why worry about anyone’s sexual orientation who cares if he is or not, just enjoy game.

@@williamduval9856 With all due respect, I can't enjoy the game if a man makes beta gay moans and grunts throughout the match.