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Ron Spomer Outdoors

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For 44 years I’ve had the good fortune to photograph and write about my passion - the outdoor life. Wild creatures and wild places have always stirred me - from the first flushing pheasant that frightened me out of my socks in grandpa’s cornfield to the last whitetail that dismissed me with a wag of its tail. In my attempts to connect with this natural wonder, to become an integral part of our ecosystem and capture a bit of its mystery, I’ve photographed, hiked, hunted, birded, and fished across much of this planet. I've seen the beauty that everyone should see, survived adventures that everyone should experience. I may not have climbed the highest mountains, canoed the wildest rivers, caught the largest fish or shot the biggest bucks, but I’ve tried. Perhaps you have, too. And that’s the essential thing. Being out there, an active participant in our outdoor world.
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Welcome to the RSO Podcast! In this episode, I read an article I wrote about an amazing pronghorn hunt I went on in Colorado.
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Who is Ron Spomer
For 44 years I’ve had the good fortune to photograph and write about my passion - the outdoor life. Wild creatures and wild places have always stirred me - from the first flushing pheasant that frightened me out of my socks in grandpa’s cornfield to the last whitetail that dismissed me with a wag of its tail. In my attempts to connect with this natural wonder, to become an integral part of our ecosystem and capture a bit of its mystery, I’ve photographed, hiked, hunted, birded, and fished across much of this planet. I've seen the beauty that everyone should see, survived adventures that everyone should experience. I may not have climbed the highest mountains, canoed the wildest rivers, caught the largest fish or shot the biggest bucks, but I’ve tried. Perhaps you have, too. And that’s the essential thing. Being out there, an active participant in our outdoor world.
Produced by: @red11media
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@DaveL9170
@DaveL9170 Рік тому
.30/06 for 99.9999999999% of situations a hunter is going to encounter in the woods in US and Canada. The .30/06 with 180 grain Accubond will drop just about any size elk there is at less than 500 yards. Extremely good round.
@johanbdal
@johanbdal Рік тому
Everyone can shoot it, available from Europe to Africa, I would agree, 30-06 is the “best” caliber for hunting.
@jamiehurtt3530
@jamiehurtt3530 Рік тому
Actually I prefer the 190 grain accubond LR in the 30-06 for even longer shots ..it has a higher bc than the 180 and us will overtake the 180 grain past 400yds even though the 180 is faster . Will stretch the kill range out to 600 yds with the 06 ..and expands down to 1300 fps . Both are good though
@Idahoguy10157
@Idahoguy10157 Рік тому
It’s Ideal versus “the best” in Elk cartridges. Frankly I don’t think a Bull Elk cares what cartridge you use
@jamiehurtt3530
@jamiehurtt3530 Рік тому
@@Idahoguy10157 Lol Right
@justinriley8651
@justinriley8651 Рік тому
agreed, its tough to beat.
@jamesblount4916
@jamesblount4916 Рік тому
Ron. I grew up poor and I still am. All I ever wanted to do was travel the world and hunt. I never knew I had to focus on writing to make that dream come true. I always struggle with journalism in highschool. I have never had the opportunity to harvest an animal at much more than 200 yards. I spent my life savings for my one and only elk hunt in Wyoming. My grandpa's old 30-06 didn't have any problem putting down an elk. The 180 bullets passed completely through the elk at 225 yards. I am sure there are better options for elk but it's all I had.
@RonSpomerOutdoors
@RonSpomerOutdoors Рік тому
Sounds like you have been rich in experiences, James. Using your grandpa's 30-06? Priceless. Rock on!
@PBRstreetgang88
@PBRstreetgang88 Рік тому
Your defeatist attitude does you no favors.
@joztunes69
@joztunes69 Рік тому
30-06 is all you need
@davidrudd9846
@davidrudd9846 Рік тому
No shame in the 30-06 none at all
@MrJtin69
@MrJtin69 Рік тому
@@joztunes69i love the 300 wsm and 300 weatherby but all firing that .308 caliber is amazing
@angus9941
@angus9941 Рік тому
65 years old. Hunted elk on our ranch for 50 years. First rifle was a .303 lee enfield, paid $30 for it, killed elk. Bought a .270 Remington 7600 that killed a lot of big bulls with nosler partitions. Last bull killed was a .243 heart shot with my coyote sniper rifle while predator hunting during elk season. It’s not what you shoot, it’s how you shoot it.
@33736
@33736 8 місяців тому
100%
@chrisraabis
@chrisraabis 8 місяців тому
I elk hunt in grizz country. There’s no way I’m taking a .243. It’s not just the prey we need to be concerned with, it’s also the predators.
@wyomarine6341
@wyomarine6341 Місяць тому
@@chrisraabis He's speaking from the point of view where he doesn't deal with large predators. I live outside YellowstoneNP and hunt with a .375 H&H on account of a charging grizzly/moose, not what it takes to down an elk, I'd use my 30-06. I have a friend who took an elk at South Pass (open desert country) with a .243.
@MathiasNygrd
@MathiasNygrd Рік тому
I think the .308 Win is the most common moose-cartridge up here in Finland. Close second is the 30-06 and they will both put down a moose within the normal range of 100m.
@rslover65
@rslover65 Рік тому
Hunting in the North American west usually calls for shooting at much longer ranges. 300-500m, that being said those cartridges will do.
@janelleshortreed2030
@janelleshortreed2030 Рік тому
@@rslover65 I shoot elk out to 500m with a .308 using full copper bullets in handloads. Never had one go more then 20m. Imo 500m should be the absolute limit for ethical shooting anyway. Anything beyond that is risky no matter how good a shot you are.
@MauserM18
@MauserM18 Рік тому
@FinTrapper is 6.5 Swede not as popular as it used to be?
@MathiasNygrd
@MathiasNygrd Рік тому
@@MauserM18 6.5 is still common in Sweden, but not here in Finland to my knowledge.
@smallfringeminority6499
@smallfringeminority6499 Рік тому
30-06 is most popular cartridge for moose and deer here in Canada. The ontario canada record moose was killed with a 30-06 at over 300 yards. Gun was a remington pump with core lokt 180 grain bullet. That was in 2010 I believe.
@sylviajones3355
@sylviajones3355 Рік тому
I've heard 9x19 is brutal on elk lungs.
@johnbarrett7534
@johnbarrett7534 Рік тому
Blows them clean out of the body. Let's go Brandon.
@malachiwhite356
@malachiwhite356 Рік тому
I get it.
@nickkernodle6412
@nickkernodle6412 Рік тому
🤣🤣🤣🤣
@RollingRigTraction
@RollingRigTraction Рік тому
🤣okay Biden
@BillyBulletPewPew
@BillyBulletPewPew Рік тому
It steals their soul on impact too. Most powerful bullet known to man.
@anthonygraeber2338
@anthonygraeber2338 Рік тому
My 7mm Rem Mags have never failed me since 1978. From my first elk hunt till now, I've loved 7 Mag. One shot- one elk.
@saifkhoso3285
@saifkhoso3285 Рік тому
I also have 7mm REM mag and I want to know can 7mm 180 grains kill Cape Kudu easily?
@rickyflinchum2909
@rickyflinchum2909 Рік тому
That's because 7mm rem mag is an awesome choice. Love my 7 mag.
@russellkeeling4387
@russellkeeling4387 Рік тому
This is the one caliber I have seen more elk walk away after being shot. I have also seen a nice bull shot with a .300 mag. at about 50 yards. The elk dropped like a rock and then got back up a buggled again. I got rid of my 7mm mag. because of its failure to be dependable at putting that elk down. Just my experience.
@Roninforged
@Roninforged Рік тому
@@russellkeeling4387 That’s kinda surprising…..This year I dropped a Yukon moose from 263 meters with a 7mm rem mag, dropped him where he stood. I have dropped two caribou with one shot each as well….I guess our experiences are different, but it’s always about shot placement and the right bullet/weight. Be well, happy hunting😎👍
@russellkeeling4387
@russellkeeling4387 Рік тому
@@Roninforged Everyone I know that owns a 7mm mag. really likes them but my experience has all been negative.
@josh817
@josh817 6 місяців тому
What's amazing to me is the sheer number of videos and articles that host these arguments over and over again. Even more amazing is the fanfare they bring in as people argue and contest which is actually the best, as if there is the one and only. Truly, I am amazed. It's like dogs fence fighting while the gate is wide open.
@TheKetamineSquid
@TheKetamineSquid Рік тому
the 45-70 and .300 win mag are my favourites, although 30-06 deserves a spot on the list as well.
@ronlowney4700
@ronlowney4700 Рік тому
🤠 You know Ron, I spent the first half of my hunting career trying to prove my Grandfather's wrong about their 270 Winchester and 30-06 Springfield with my Big Magnums - and the second half proving them right, by finally taking their advice! 😉 P.S.They Were Right and I Was Wrong! 🤑 Here's to you Gramps! 🍻
@chrisaerts6489
@chrisaerts6489 Рік тому
Glad to see Im not the only one that believes this.
@ronlowney4700
@ronlowney4700 Рік тому
😏 The proof is in my freezer and in my trophy room! 😁
@Mark-uq9km
@Mark-uq9km Рік тому
I hope at some point you will have grandkids who say 'Here's to you , Gramps', too. As I like to say with wisdom comes age. :-)
@ronlowney4700
@ronlowney4700 Рік тому
🤔 At least we hope so! 😉 Otherwise, senility is the only other option! 🤪
@mikebeddingfield2144
@mikebeddingfield2144 Рік тому
Can't beat the 270 or the aut6 but it's fun to try out all the runner up's just to see lol
@EdAb
@EdAb Рік тому
Elk hunting legend Randy Newberg is often asked, 'what caliber do I need to kill an elk.' To which he responds, 'Probably the caliber you already have.' This from an elk hunting master, who primarily uses the 308 Winchester and 7mm-08.
@rkba4923
@rkba4923 Рік тому
As a teenager, I killed a couple of deer laying in Palmetto Bushes by shooting them in the back of the head with a .22LR. One with a Ruger Bearcat Revolver from about 25 yards.
@mot0rhe4d40
@mot0rhe4d40 Рік тому
Took my 1400+ lb. Buffalo with a Hornady bonded 308 150gr load. Top of the heart and both lungs pass through. And a follow up shot at 15-20 yards, that again passed completely through. So with that knowledge. 308 or 7mm08 would work well enough inside their effective range. And I would feel comfortable carrying either.
@rudrashakti108
@rudrashakti108 Рік тому
@@mot0rhe4d40 nice. How far was that first shot? (Trying to figure out what the 308 is capable of).
@mot0rhe4d40
@mot0rhe4d40 Рік тому
@@rudrashakti108 First shot was under 100 yards. Was pretty excited and didn't think to pace off the distance lol
@rudrashakti108
@rudrashakti108 Рік тому
@@mot0rhe4d40 thanks no problem!
@TheRedRocket
@TheRedRocket Рік тому
I bagged my first elk 42 years ago using a Remington model 700 ADL in .30-06 (with the 180 grain bullet). A few years later, I took one with my old Winchester model 71 in .348 Winchester. My current favorite is the Marlin 1895 Guide Gun in .450 Marlin. As my eyes grow older, those longer shots are no longer in the cards. I have found that good bullet placement and good bullet construction are key. The best rifle and cartridge is whatever works best for you. Just don't go "under gunned", as my Dad used to say.
@johnnorman7708
@johnnorman7708 Рік тому
Did you ever notice how the 348 somewhat mimics .30-06 with 200 grain bullets and the old traditional powders? Surprisingly close despite being very different cartridges. Makes me wonder if Winchester was trying for that set of numbers and bigger bore .30-06 like comparison.
@januszkumala
@januszkumala Рік тому
I am from Poland. Our red deer are similar to your wapiti. The characteristics of hunting in Europe are different to those in North America. Me and my father use 30-06 for red deer. 30-06 is very versatile. The 9.3x62 is a great caliber and it's fun to shoot.
@joeturcotte2810
@joeturcotte2810 Рік тому
I have a 9.3 X62 here in Canada! It is almost unknown here in Canada. I just shot a moose 2 days ago. He dropped in his tracks! I love this calibre. It carries quite a punch!
@gradyhernandez4699
@gradyhernandez4699 Рік тому
300 Holland and Holland
@gradyhernandez4699
@gradyhernandez4699 Рік тому
I heard some use the swedish mauser in 6 5 x 55 mm in hunting moose in Europe?
@Washyourbellybutton
@Washyourbellybutton Рік тому
Lil Yachty saved yall
@dundonrl
@dundonrl Рік тому
About 1/3rd the weight though!
@jeffreybean5363
@jeffreybean5363 Рік тому
Never gone Elk hunting but if I get to go I'll use my 30-06... Good video Ron 👍
@russellkeeling4387
@russellkeeling4387 Рік тому
Good choice. I've owned several different magnum rifles and I no longer have any. The closest to a magnum I now own is a .35 Whelen. My 30-06 has never failed and I have never recovered a bullet from an elk because they all passed through.
@ronlowney4700
@ronlowney4700 Рік тому
🙋‍♂️ Now this ought to be good! 😁 It is to bad that you couldn't poll all the trophy bull elk on my wall as to what they thought of my 270 Winchester! 😂😂😂
@Clubrat
@Clubrat Рік тому
I mostly use .300 win mag but the 270 is just so smooth and probably my favourite caliber overall.
@ericneville8043
@ericneville8043 Рік тому
I picked up a model 54 in 270 this is my first hunting rifle
@ElkStirrinTheHoney
@ElkStirrinTheHoney Рік тому
Can't go wrong with a .270 Win.. unless you're trying to buy bullets for it. Because everyone has one, and everyone is buying bullets for them.
@randy7003
@randy7003 Рік тому
Long live the 270 ! Jack O'CONNOR fan !
@gl6481
@gl6481 11 місяців тому
Ron, I thought this was one of your best posts ever. Your discussions included lots of factors like recoil, importance of bullet choice and accuracy. Enjoyed this one immensely. Also the fact that though there are lots of new cartridges out there, your best are all tried, true, and classics.
@fredhenry7580
@fredhenry7580 Рік тому
I love General Chuck Yeager! I read his autobiography twice in high school. He lived an extraordinary life. He is known for his breaking the sound barrier in the X-1, but he flew from WW2 all the way past Vietnam. I met him at an air show along with Bud Anderson. It was one of the highlights of my youth.
@stefanocappella9612
@stefanocappella9612 Рік тому
My 270 has taken absolutely everything in Canada with one shot and immediate drops.
@Chebva
@Chebva Рік тому
.270, 30-06, 7mm, 30-30, 350 Legend, .308, 6.5 Creed all more than enough for the elk.
@TexanUSMC8089
@TexanUSMC8089 Рік тому
@@Chebva You'd have to be pretty close with a 350 Legend. I shoot deer with one, but not past 150 yards.
@stevewaterhouse3025
@stevewaterhouse3025 11 місяців тому
Lots of respect For Jim Zumbo he wrote for years with outdoor life, loved his writing style !
@srkwixdraw
@srkwixdraw Рік тому
My favorite is the .338-‘06. Nosler 225 Partitions take them just fine. You only lose a minimal amount of velocity over the .338 magnums and the rifle can be a lot lighter and still not beat your brains out with recoil. Works great for Mule deer and doesn’t blow up a bunch of meat.
@shaunjudy5284
@shaunjudy5284 Рік тому
30-06 with 180 grain partition or 300 win. mag with 200 grain partition. In my humble opinion the right bullet is more important than the caliber of rifle.
@gregsmith7828
@gregsmith7828 Рік тому
30-06 with a 165 ballistic silvertip is wicked
@vinceevans4228
@vinceevans4228 Рік тому
I started elk hunting with a used JC Higgins - Swedish Mauser action - 30/06. Purchased it in 1967 for $125.00 and they threw in a box of ammo. Used it for years until I replaced it with a 300 win mag. That win mag started to get heavier each year. I searched the back of my gun cabinet and found the old JC Higgins 30/06. I had a .338 Douglas barrel installed and after some trigger and stock work, I have a super accurate 338/06 elk rifle. A 210gr Barnes bullet takes them down every time.
@TexanUSMC8089
@TexanUSMC8089 Рік тому
338-06 is a great cartridge. I wish someone made factory ammo for it. You can buy 338 Federal and 35 Whelan...why not 338-06?
@ralphlivingston762
@ralphlivingston762 2 місяці тому
Ron! such a dizzying array of cartridges! I'm reminded of the fact that in the seventeen hundreds, When Daniel Boone and Simon Kenton went over the mountain into Kentucky, the land was bountiful with game, including Elk and Bison. It didn't take long for the settlers to eradicate the Elk and bison using their Pennsylvania longrifles. Later, as the settlements moved across the Mississippi River black powder cartridges almost completed the extinction. Yes, hunting conditions have changed, but the animals are the same. The fact remains that even a fifty caliber roundball with a .068 BC will take big game. I've done it. I've also taken game with a Sharps rifle with a black powder 40-70 cartridge. That said, your comment on bullet placement is the deciding factor of success.
@lcjjr.6714
@lcjjr.6714 Рік тому
Ron, I totally agree with all your choices from an availability and affordability standpoint! Best regards and safe hunting to all! Leon
@shaneiveson517
@shaneiveson517 Рік тому
I was once told as a kid a 30.06 will handle all north American game and 35 years later that hasn't been proven wrong
@randyhodder6015
@randyhodder6015 Рік тому
At the right range a 30 30 will do the trick.
@jacobmccandles1767
@jacobmccandles1767 6 місяців тому
​@@randyhodder6015the trouble with the "dirty turty" is that if you get that close to an elk, it may well be quartering away, which is a penetration problem the 30-30 struggles to solve.
@paulsimmons5726
@paulsimmons5726 Рік тому
Any accurate shot to the heart seals the deal for the antelope, deer, elk, moose, caribou, and various rams. The hemorrhaging is what drops the animal, not necessarily the ammo caliber. For practical purposes, pick an easy to find caliber like a 270Win, a 7mm, or a popular 30 and you can’t go wrong at ethical distances! Shot placement over caliber!
@mcmuskie2563
@mcmuskie2563 Рік тому
Agree
@jamiehurtt3530
@jamiehurtt3530 Рік тому
Right but gor goats and moose yuu wanna shoot the shoulder to stop them quick from jumping off cliffs or s a imming out in water where you can't get ti them those species I ain fir shoulder if they're in a precarious location
@charlesperry1051
@charlesperry1051 Рік тому
Of the rifles I own, I would choose 30-06, 300 Win Mag, and 375 H&H Mag. I would probably choose 30-06 first just because I have hunted with that rifle for 25 years. I know that rifle. I know where it will hit. It is my go to rifle.
@warnoskeboiz147
@warnoskeboiz147 Рік тому
375 H&H pretty black for the Sambar deer and they are around the size of an elk not the most popular cartridge but a great choice if there is that massive bull in thick brush quartering away and you really want to take that animal in not ideal conditions
@jakepiemme9600
@jakepiemme9600 Рік тому
280 ackley improved is the sweet spot! 7mm mag performance, almost with recoil like the 270, 30 06 range. Fast approaching 50 with lymes disease so my joint don't like the magnum experience anymore. That 280 fills the spot perfectly
@hotramen5952
@hotramen5952 Рік тому
i feel like the .280 AI and the 6.8 western are basically ballistic perfection as far as this topic is concerned.
@mr.mr.3301
@mr.mr.3301 Рік тому
I agree. Rumor is that Hornady is sitting in a 7mm prc That may be the ticket
@johnathanreckrodt2937
@johnathanreckrodt2937 Рік тому
@@mr.mr.3301 the 7PRC is just gonna be a 300PRC necked down. So basically a 28 Nosler which is already made.
@mr.mr.3301
@mr.mr.3301 Рік тому
@@johnathanreckrodt2937 yeah but that nosler is hot. I’m surprised how many like the western but I think Winchester has botched the roll out. Unlike Hornady who want to sell ammo and not guns.
@johnathanreckrodt2937
@johnathanreckrodt2937 Рік тому
@@mr.mr.3301 the 7PRC would be hot also just like the 28 Nosler. They will be almost identical cases. The 6.8W is still a popular cartridge ammo is just hard to come by right now. But I’ll reload for it. My barrel is at the smith getting spun up right now.
@rogerf7265
@rogerf7265 6 місяців тому
My dad was a big fan of magnums and had owned a .264 Win Mag a few .300 Win Mags and his Model 70 Alaskan .338 Win Mag named Bertha from the day that they came out. I hunted with him and used his only non magnum rifle which was a Sako .243. He always had handloads for everything using Nosler Partitions although he did experiment with Barnes for a time. He eventually settled on a 100 grain partition in the .243 and a 225 partition in the .338 and we never had any trouble putting elk down with either of them. He always stressed the importance of taking good shots. Fast forward a few years after I had just gotten out of the USAF and he wanted me to hunt with him so he bought me a gun that I could use for everything so he bought me a 7mm Remington Magnum.
@tombeyer375
@tombeyer375 4 місяці тому
Firstly, thank you for your service in the USAF! Neck and neck for first, God bless your dad, for pickin' you up something useful!! My son recently got out of the USAF himself as is a lefty. Soooo, while he was on his last tour in Afghanistan, ran across a lefty bolt .308, with a range finding sniper scope, ported custom barrel and Harris Ultralight bipod. He wanted a .308, so I pulled the trigger and he loves it!! Good luck in your adventures AND thank your dad for me too!!
@jimseaman2558
@jimseaman2558 Рік тому
Ron, I can’t tell you how much I enjoy your programs. You are informative and entertaining. You have a great style. Thank you for what you do. Jim Seaman Darby, Montana
@MrSchmitty133
@MrSchmitty133 Рік тому
I would absolutely add the 9.3x62mm Mauser. Almost the equal of the .375, and practically interchangeable with the .35 Whelen. Very efficient cartridge with mild recoil to boot and very little meat destruction.
@craigleibbrand7761
@craigleibbrand7761 Рік тому
Have to agree Ben. It made its reputation in Africa against heavy game.
@tomcurran8470
@tomcurran8470 Рік тому
CZ chambers it in their rifles.
@mattpastell3728
@mattpastell3728 Рік тому
I love my 270Win, it’s never failed on numerous antelope and mule deer and 3 bull elk. But I only shoot premium ammo. I hope you cover your favorite moose rounds next!
@dominicbenecasa7893
@dominicbenecasa7893 Рік тому
What rounds do use? I’m always interested as I want to come out west with a .270
@mattpastell3728
@mattpastell3728 Рік тому
@@dominicbenecasa7893 I’ve only used Federal Premium ammo for the last 30+ years I use the 150 grain Nosler Partition for elk and the 130 grain in the Sierra Boattail or Nosler Ballistic tip. Good Hunting!
@galenhaugh3158
@galenhaugh3158 6 місяців тому
@@dominicbenecasa7893 Consider the 140 grain in the 270 for optimum ballistics.
@cashdog9999
@cashdog9999 Рік тому
very down to earth choices Thank you!
@johnnydawson7675
@johnnydawson7675 11 місяців тому
Thanks, Ron!
@GARDENER42
@GARDENER42 Рік тому
The best cartridge is the one you're comfortable shooting. Within sensible parameters, shot placement is far more important than size. For me, that's a 150gr bullet from a .270.
@HA51971
@HA51971 Рік тому
I agree. Shot placement is everything
@bobmueller8192
@bobmueller8192 Рік тому
I’ve carried a .270 Win and a .338 Win mag when elk hunting. The .270 was hands down lighter than the .338 and surely became my favorite to carry around the elk woods (I didn’t shoot at any elk but scared quite a few!)
@gotshpilkes
@gotshpilkes Рік тому
Scaring game has been my lifelong passion.
@russellkeeling4387
@russellkeeling4387 Рік тому
I used to have a .338 win mag but once I got my .35 Whelen I got rid of the .338. My Whelen launches a 225 grain bullet at an average of 2816 fps with around 15 grains less powder than my .338 could. Now the poor mans mag. is the only mag. I own.
@kristijanmedved6066
@kristijanmedved6066 Рік тому
Isnt 338 overkill?
@matthewgrice6902
@matthewgrice6902 Рік тому
Grew up using my fathers 2 guns. A 30-30 model 94 and 16 ga wingmaster. When I purchased my first gun I went with the .300 win mag. My father always talked of going to Wyoming and hunting elk with an old friend of his. So I picked something he could use in Wyoming. Unfortunately his friend died of a heart attack (while elk hunting, high elevation), and he gave up on the idea. We live in Michigan and there is a very limited elk hunt here. Lottery only. After my father retired he luckily drew a tag and had his chance to hunt elk. He used my .300 win mag and dropped a 6x6 with one shot. It didn't even take one step from where it stood when he shot. He no longer hunts because of his health, but he did get to realize his dream of hunting elk (albeit not in Wyoming. Thanks for your videos. Very informative.
@davehoward2791
@davehoward2791 Рік тому
.30-06 with 180gr PSP Core Lokts. Never seen anything in North America it can’t drop quickly with proper shot placement. Having said that I know folks who’ve had great success with .243 and .30-30. Just depends on where you put the bullet. Great video, thanks! 👍 Liked & subscribed!
@Pixx4you
@Pixx4you Рік тому
Thuty-aught-six. Take a bit of time and get off a good shot at reasonable range. Steaks on the table.
@Ron-Swanson
@Ron-Swanson Рік тому
You can kill one with 22 long rifle. But that is definitely not ideal. 30-30 for instance would have trouble making my top 20 for elk and moose.
@johnbarrett7534
@johnbarrett7534 Рік тому
My son has taken several elk with his 25-06 handloaded with Nosler Partitions. I have taken elk with .300 Savage also loaded with Nosler Partitions. Also taken them with cast bullets in .38-55 and .45-70 calibers. It is all about hitting the boiler room gentlemen.
@mr.skeptical3071
@mr.skeptical3071 Рік тому
That's Gov. Definitely will get it done in closer ranges. Just hold high at longer!😎
@kellywalker8407
@kellywalker8407 Рік тому
I have never had a Nosler Partition fail. They work every time.
@firstjohn3123
@firstjohn3123 Рік тому
A friend (now gone) used his .270 Weatherby for everything. He perfected the neck/spine shot. Everything dropped like magic. But my dad did the same thing - with a .303 British! So, yeh, putting that bullet in the right place is the secret, not the cartridge. Both claimed those calibers were the best...😂 But the results say they were. As for the .300 Savage, 👍👍
@skeeterchristiansen5263
@skeeterchristiansen5263 Рік тому
Sooooooooo true. If you want instant results put that bullet in the pump house and watch em fold.
@jukkakujala8953
@jukkakujala8953 Рік тому
I use 9,3x62 for biggame hunting, sometimes .308. You only need four cal. rifles here in Finland: .22lr, .222rem, .308 and 9,3x62. Thats all folks... 😁
@DaveL9170
@DaveL9170 Рік тому
You’ll only ever need these: .22LR, 12 gauge, .223., .30/06, and a 9mm handgun. If you have all those you’re good to hunt anywhere for almost anything.
@LRRPFco52
@LRRPFco52 Рік тому
6.5x55 Mauser and 7mm performed better than .30 bores in Norway, Sweden, and Suomessa in the Scandinavian moose hunting survey, which had over 14,000 samples. 6.5s and 7mms had shorter travel distance from the shot. .30 bores had the longest travel distances. I just think it has more to do with recoil and muzzle blast making .30 bores a little less friendly for practice, as well as more likely to break or dislodge optics. For a trained shooter who practices regularly with a proper optics, rings, and rifle set-up, it won't matter as much. It's the guys who do the bare minimum, then try to compensate for their lack of training by stepping up to a .300 Win Mag or even .30-06.
@maccook1692
@maccook1692 Рік тому
Just took my first elk this fall with a .270 at 400yrds. Dropped em like a rock! Been on the range for months this summer living by the shot placement is key mentality.
@dagrazytcom5492
@dagrazytcom5492 Рік тому
What rifle do you have that 270 chambered for? These are incredible rounds across the whole US. You can get alot of animals with the famous 270. Terrific job on that fall elk. Hope he was a great hunt.
@maccook1692
@maccook1692 Рік тому
@@dagrazytcom5492 nothing fancy, a Ruger American in 270. Does the job! As good to hunt as he was to eat!
@maccook1692
@maccook1692 Рік тому
@@exiled1gaming quarter it and hike it out
@ericgnelson2188
@ericgnelson2188 Рік тому
I’ve killed 2 elk. Both one shot kills with .270 win
@Coyote-wm5op
@Coyote-wm5op 11 місяців тому
That’s good to hear. .270 gets overlooked a lot.
@ianpaxton1419
@ianpaxton1419 Рік тому
Hi Sir, Great video by the way! You raised some very interesting points. As an African I am very fond of the 243 and the 270 but then jump up to the 375 ruger. I was glad it featured on your show. It’s great to hear other view points, even if I dont hunt elk but I sure do hunt kudu :)
@foubert45
@foubert45 Рік тому
6.8 Western with 165gr ABLR for Canadian Moose this fall!
@davidtennyson4908
@davidtennyson4908 Рік тому
I've harvested elk with 30-06 and 300 win mag. Both kill well. But, this year I've put in for tags 10 miles from Yellowstone. Elk aren't any tougher, but the Grizzlies are. Will have my 338 RUM in my hands if this tag comes through. Loved the conversation Ron. Moved to Wyoming last year from Tennessee last. First season with a resident tag in my pocket.
@timg7627
@timg7627 Рік тому
Sounds like a hell of a journey for you. Good luck out there and be safe 🙌
@Longtrailside
@Longtrailside Рік тому
To be a fly on your shoulder for that hunt would be awsome! Good luck to you!
@jk-kr8jt
@jk-kr8jt Рік тому
Good luck in the draw and on the hunt. You've got a fine caliber in that RUM. Enjoy the Cowboy State. Cheers, Jeff
@ronlowney4700
@ronlowney4700 Рік тому
🤠 Ronbo (Montana Mountain Man) - I live in Montana, down near Yellowstone Park, where I also hunt! Now let me tell you why you are wrong and need to understand why I am saying that! 🙄 Not only did my Grandfather kill Grizzlies, he put 3 moose in the Record Book (on scored #3), a Top 5 Bison, two Mountain Goats, one Rocky Mountain Big Horn Sheep, etc...and over 500 (yes, I said 500) elk with his 270 Winchester (while working on the firing lines near the park, culling the elk herds)! It is all about SHOT PLACEMENT and good bullet selection! His favorite load was a 150 grain Nosler Partition, once it came out in the early 1950's! You had better pack bear spray and practice using it before you go into "Those Mountains"! Every year, their are people mauled in that area! So, you better be prepared, and also study their anatomy of where to shoot them and do a little homework before you go hiking into that back country or you won't be comming out alive! I don't say that to scare you, but every year people loose their lives their because they don't know what the Hell they are doing and aren't truly prepared! ☹ Yep! 🤔 Every year, in the last 10 years, within 5 miles of my Grandfather's old cabin and mine - at least one person has been mauled by a Grizzly! No exaduration! Usually, they were Bow Hunters that forgot to buy bear spray and most of them didn't make it (no suprise their 🐻)! 🤯 Their are Wolves, Wolverines, Badgers, and Mountain Lions too! 🦡 This ain't the "flatlanders" ("tender footers") prairie! Avalanches kill people every year too, as does hypothermia! So, learn how to read the snow for avalanche danger and ask the experienced locals about proper clothing and gear! This isn't like anything you've experienced before in the eastern U.S., our actual temperatures can get down to -70F (that does not include wind chill) and the weather has been know to change by more that 100 degrees in 10 minutes (look in the Guinness Book of World Records, if you don't believe me)! If you're not prepared, your dead! So, take a back country survival course before you go alone and pick up some books on the subject - it will save your life and also keep you from getting frost bite (proper gear is essential)! 🥶 Their are also hundreds of peaks in the 10,000 to 13,000 foot range, so you had better be running daily too - you don't want to get altitude sickness, let alone have a heart attack (especially if your packing out an 800-1000 pound bull elk on your back, from 10 to 15 miles back, in rough terrain)! Nope! 🤕 Time to hit the gym! 💪
@charlessmith4242
@charlessmith4242 Рік тому
@@ronlowney4700 * A lot of good advice, but I'd stick with the .338 Rum over the bear spray. If a bear is determined to get you, you'll not have time to choose between the two. My advice would be choose the one that you know will put an end to his attack. Quite often that attack will come fast from close range. That bear may be upon you before he even knows he's been sprayed. By that time it's to late for you. You want the best option available for the worst possible situation. Bear spray is not the best option. Most of the time it's clipped to your person or hidden in a pocket. By the time you can get it functioning it may be to late. If you are on foot, you'll have you gun in hand. If you're on horseback with your gun in a scabbard, you may want to consider carrying a large caliber sidearm. A good sidearm is always a good idea when you're in bear country.
@leroymorris6036
@leroymorris6036 Рік тому
Thanks Mr. Ron, good as usual
@jlpjlp1953
@jlpjlp1953 Рік тому
Grandma Mildred used a .243 for elk and had no problems. Of course, she could shoot very well and that really makes the difference.
@russellkeeling4387
@russellkeeling4387 Рік тому
Yep, my first big game rifle was a 6mm Remington.
@paulyoung2891
@paulyoung2891 Рік тому
30-06 with 180 gr Sirocco or Accubond. Will handle a moose no problem so will deal with an Elk. Easy enough to shoot and up here you can get ammo at Canadian Tire if needed! 🇨🇦
@nmelkhunter1
@nmelkhunter1 Рік тому
I think the 30-06 is a great choice. Unless Trudeau bans that too…About five years ago I met a guy who worked for Stampede Crane out of Alberta. The things he said about Trudeau aren’t fit to write since children might read this post. Good luck! EDIT: Who is your hockey team? I’m not from Canada, but like the Oilers because of Gretzky. I’m in deep mourning…
@gordonloessl2822
@gordonloessl2822 Рік тому
Trudeau is going to be voted out. And I would use my 8mm Mauser.
@johac7637
@johac7637 Рік тому
@@nmelkhunter1 the rifles will never go away, but if someone needs a semi auto with a box of ammo, why are you out hunting, is it to clear the brush around your target, wants are different than needs!!
@nmelkhunter1
@nmelkhunter1 Рік тому
@@johac7637 Ok…
@kenwagner2253
@kenwagner2253 Рік тому
Always great realistic discussion.
@jaydurtsche2569
@jaydurtsche2569 Рік тому
Couldnt agree more Ron but i love my old 8mm rem mag!
@justinwatrobka8365
@justinwatrobka8365 Рік тому
Dropped my first elk with my marlin 30/30 from about 125 yards out. Then found my ruger model 1 7mm. Heart shot with the 30/30. Still the best shot made on big game with my baby.
@Ben-ry1py
@Ben-ry1py Рік тому
I saw a vid of a guy in Alaska taking a moose with his iron sighted lever action 30-30. He was putting meat on the table...not winning a pissing contest. Congrats on that elk shot.
@poorfatman5317
@poorfatman5317 Рік тому
What's 7 mm there so many
@PeteHemdem
@PeteHemdem Рік тому
People underestimate the .30-30. It's not a toy, it's a killing machine.
@royjohnson465
@royjohnson465 Рік тому
Yes, a 30-30 in at least a 20" barrel or longer with Hornady LEVERevolution 140 or 160 grain cartridges you can kill an elk out to about 200 yards with that combination. I know people who hunt moose with a 30-30 and a retired policeman who shot many moose with his 303 British rifle.
@leswhite3524
@leswhite3524 Рік тому
335 Marlin! My first elk was only about 70 yards but uphill. In behind left shoulder, out her neck. Looked like a steam locomotive on that cold November morning.
@pcolice
@pcolice Рік тому
I have hunted elk with the .338 WM, .30-06, .308, 6.5 CM, and .243. With each, I knew which shots I would take and which I wouldn’t and never felt under gunned. Before it is over, I will carry my .30-30.
@warrenlathrop6296
@warrenlathrop6296 Рік тому
You can of course and many elk have been done in by 30-30s but if I was heading out and that 30-06 was sitting there with good ammo for it beside the 30-30 my hand would go to the 06.
@kentuckyearl8202
@kentuckyearl8202 Рік тому
You're like me, could care less about what everyone else thinks or "feels". I use what I want as long as I know it's going to work. I've killed more animals with a 243 than any other caliber. The old "women and children's" caliber. I know that I have to be realistic and ethical but with the barnes triple shock all copper and good shot placement, I'm not afraid to hunt up to elk size game.
@harrydick3300
@harrydick3300 Рік тому
@@kentuckyearl8202 I must be a pussy then, because in Massachusetts you can use 22 Magnum, and never seen one run off when shot in the neck or shoulder nerve shot. .243 actually I've seen them run off, not far but doesn't drop them in there tracks like 22 magnum, depends on ranges of course but a lot of people are shooting 70 to 100 yards with ammo that can hit game accurately at 1,000 yards, more likely to hit another hunter that thinks they need to dump a mag into an animal instead of an ethically place bullet
@m444ss
@m444ss Рік тому
Wait! What about the... 😄 Good discussion, good list. Thanks, Ron.
@youngblood2
@youngblood2 Рік тому
Great job Ron Spomer!
@thewargod1995
@thewargod1995 Рік тому
I have brought down several Elk with a .243. For 20 years I didn't own a different caliber rifle so I used what I had. Every elk I shot at was a 1 shot kill with the .243. I concentrated on head shots and found the round to be most effective in the 200 yard range. I have since stepped up my Elk game by purchasing a 7mm rem mag, a 30.06, a .308 and a .300 win mag. I have found all these rifles very effective against elk too.
@Chris-ip8pz
@Chris-ip8pz Рік тому
Neck shots are the way to go if your a headshot hunter. Drops them 95 percent of the time. Also gives you a little room for error as headshots don’t.
@chuckblankenship748
@chuckblankenship748 Рік тому
I have and will continue to use the 7MM08 for everything from deer, pronghorn and elk since the 1980's. 140gr Barnes TTSX at 2850fps out to 400yds and as long as you hit the boiler room it is game over. Since I refuse to shoot more than 400yds at any living creature I already have all the rifle I need.
@wasachevyguy
@wasachevyguy Рік тому
@little drane Nope it’ll do just fine. And a TTSX isn’t a soft point. It’s a mono-metal killing pill.
@Mountainghost72
@Mountainghost72 Рік тому
Killed my first couple of elk & mulies with win 30-30, then went 30.06, then 7mm, in the end I went back to a brand new Tikka 30-06, as a guide in coy & New Mexico, I've seen to many guys flinch with the magnums, myself included, the 06 in my mind is best all around big game rifle for here in the west, but even more importantly, my rifle Scoped, comes in at 7lbs, my days of carrying heavy rifles in the mountains are over, 7Lb 30.06 is plenty of medicine for elk out to 500 yard's, great video again Ron
@fredhaferkamp7224
@fredhaferkamp7224 4 місяці тому
Sir Ron, I enjoy your program. Keep it up
@bubbacole1657
@bubbacole1657 Рік тому
The best Cartridge is the gun you have confidence in, that you hunt with. For me, its my Winchester Model 70 in 7MM Rem Mag. I purchased it in 1979, I've hunted all over the U.S., Canada and Alaska. I won't hunt with any other gun. It's my confidence gun. It's topped with a Leupold VX-1 in 3 X 9. Another Great Video Ron! Keep them coming!!
@SveninColorado
@SveninColorado Рік тому
35 Whelen. Long time friend, retired LEO, gunsmith and avid hunter built a 35 Whelen using a Mauser action. He has taken quite a few elk with it. He also took it to Africa, where he used it on wildebeest and larger antelope. 7 years ago he traded a Wyoming plains deer and pronghorn hunt for a Maine moose hunt. He used his Whelen to successfully harvest a big bull. He's not a fan of belted magnums, prefers the 30-06 platform and uses small ring Mauser actions in building custom hunting rifles. He built a .270 Win for me. I've taken beau coup deer, pronghorn and a couple of decent cow elk with it. He says that I'm the perfect example of the old saw: "Beware the man who owns only one rifle. He knows how to use it!"
@john1172
@john1172 Рік тому
I hunt with a 35 whelen. I use federal fusion 180 grain and it does significant damage on whitetail. I've always wanted to go on a elk hunt but haven't got to, maybe one day
@allanbaker659
@allanbaker659 Рік тому
one of the best, most sensible commentary on cartridges for elk, ever. thanks Ron! many others as well, 260 rem, 6.5x55, 7x57, 284 win, 7mm08, 7wsm etc. so many choices!
@pamtnman1515
@pamtnman1515 Рік тому
I’m taking my .62 percussion rifle elk hunting here in PA this Fall. It’s a 335-grain round ball powered by 125 grains of SWISS FFG. It should work great
@johnulmer6715
@johnulmer6715 Рік тому
300 Weatherby, it's what I use and has never failed me. Good range and punch. Any questions? BTW, live in Montana and have hunted elk for over 40 years. That being said 30-06 is probably the best all around casing. It's what I started with.
@mikegoodwin2386
@mikegoodwin2386 Рік тому
I like your reasoning in the way you explained pros and cons of these various cartridges. I was considering a 338 Win Mag, but I have a tendency to choose less popular or less well-known stuff and bought a used 8mm Rem Mag. Anyone who knows anything about this cartridge says it kicks hard, and it does. But it's really right in the same ballpark as the 338 Win Mag which is a very popular choice, as you mentioned. Hard to find ammo for it. Pretty much have to order it online, or reload. I've been shooting 200 gr Nosler AccuBonds in factory ammo, but I have some 220 gr Sierra Game Kings I'm going to stuff in that brass when I shoot up the ammo supply I have.
@johnblackbird7523
@johnblackbird7523 7 місяців тому
Thanks Ron
@jtschwinghammer
@jtschwinghammer Рік тому
Ron I think this has to be one of the best conversations about elk cartridges I've seen in awhile! Only thing is I have to argue that the 308 win and 7mm-08 work very well, just ask Randy Newberg.
@ryanmg02
@ryanmg02 Рік тому
308 can take any game up to 1000lbs reliably
@georgemannsr8708
@georgemannsr8708 Рік тому
A friend of mine , George Hoffman (african Guide and developer of the 416 Rem Mag) used his 270 Win to take 71 elk with no problem, He used the 150 gr Nosler Partican . According to a lot of gun scribes the Swedes take lots of moose with the old 6.5 X 55.
@ronlowney4700
@ronlowney4700 Рік тому
😁 Yes! The evidence is in the results (not in theories and opinions)! My Grandfather killed over 500 elk while working on the firing lines near Yellowstone Park with his 270 Winchester (many BIG Bulls too)! His favorite load was also the 150 grain Nosler Partition and and H4831 powder, once it came out in the early 1950's! He also killed 3 Record Book Moose (including a #3 all time), a Top #5 Wild Bison, a 190" Rocky mountain Bighorn Sheep, several Record Book Goats, and Bears (Including Grizzlies)! Anyone that says that the 270 Winchester is not a elk, moose, bison, or bear capable cartridge just doesn't know what the Hell they are talking about! 🐻
@jamiehurtt3530
@jamiehurtt3530 Рік тому
@@ronlowney4700 270 loaded with 150 grain nosler partitions was also the favorite Elk and deer cartridge of the late great JACK O'CONNOR
@robertshorthill6836
@robertshorthill6836 7 місяців тому
I had a good buddy in a different county that had a spot to hunt elk that was 300 yards from his back door. He used a .223, neck shot. They dropped like a rock. He pulled them out with his tractor, hung them up, dressed them out and spent a couple of days cutting and wrapping. Always got a big bull. They never knew he was there.
@scottg9208
@scottg9208 Рік тому
My all around rifle for North American big game is the 7mm RUM. I shoot the Barnes 145 gr LRX and have always liked the smaller bullets for caliber with more speed. It has served me well for many years. I will also say my first big game rifle my dad bought me was a 270 Win, which I still have. Shot 130 gr bullets in it and it also did a great job.
@theliberating1
@theliberating1 Рік тому
LRX is a great bullet.
@galenhaugh3158
@galenhaugh3158 6 місяців тому
Look at a 140 grain in the 270.
@matthabir4837
@matthabir4837 Рік тому
My father took 8 elk with a Remington 700 in .30-06, longest range 220 yards, and 3 with a 7mm Mauser, longest range 70 yards. He used heavy bullet weights for both, 220 and 175 respectively. The only time he ever needed a second shot was if he missed the first; a rare occurrence. The Core-lokt bullet was a favorite, but I know he used Federal as well. Made bigger calibers seem like overkill to me...
@duckwacker8720
@duckwacker8720 Рік тому
No reason for a over weight bullets. 165gr in an 06 is great.
@matthabir4837
@matthabir4837 Рік тому
@@duckwacker8720 We're talking about bullets, not people. 220 does just fine for .30-06.
@Lure-Benson
@Lure-Benson Рік тому
@@duckwacker8720 I have seen 220 grain bullets fired from the 30-06 recovered from game with only the lead noise mashed then zero copper jacket expansion. Heavey bullets used in the 30-06 is a extremely bad idea but their are so many ignorant people that think heaver bullet means more power for the 30-06. I also think if going to use the 30-06 the Barns TSX 160 grain bullets are the best for the 30-06
@jamiehurtt3530
@jamiehurtt3530 Рік тому
Core lokt bullets been around since about 1938 and is s good cup amd core especially in the 180 -220 Nosler partition been around since About 1948 and is what I use in the 06 ..mainly because of grizzly protection and its a better penetrator But rem core lokt will get the job done
@jamiehurtt3530
@jamiehurtt3530 Рік тому
@@Lure-Benson That depends on many variables my Man. Do you hunt deer elk or moose where a 1000 lb coastal brown bear can charge you unexpectedly from 30 yds away in thick cover ???. If shots at moose or elk are expected at closer ramges I would much prefer to use a 220- 240 grain woodleigh solid or a 200 grain swift a frame or nosler partition than a 165 grain tsx any day It's calked the taylor KO factor Look it up
@johnleahu9503
@johnleahu9503 Рік тому
Thank you sir! I very much appreciate your honesty! Happy hunting!
@turkeyman27534
@turkeyman27534 Рік тому
The 35 Whelen would probably be my choice for Elk hunting or 30-06. Being able to put a well made bullet in the right place is the name of the game for all hunting. What you shoot the best should be the round you use assuming that it has the horsepower to do the job. I will admit I have an issues with recoil so staying with lighter recoil would work better for me. I use an 7mm rem mag for whitetail but actually prefer a 30-06. If I ever get a chance to elk hunt one of those with a bullet made for penetration would be my choice. It seems if you will go down to a .243 then a 25-06 would work or a .257 Weatherby magnum.
@robertthomas9975
@robertthomas9975 Рік тому
Great analysis, good job handling a controversial topic and really valuable insight that we can all learn from. Having said that, really glad my elk this year did not watch this...otherwise she might have known she was not supposed to die so quickly from a 6.5 Creedmoor.
@cplskiusmc5654
@cplskiusmc5654 Рік тому
I don't have a .338 Win Mag... but I do have a .338 Lapua Mag. It's a Savage 111 Long Range Hunter that is actually comfortable to carry, has an effective muzzle brake, and I load my own sausages for it so it's not impossibly expensive to shoot. Even though it's not on any of the lists you mentioned, it's on my own and let's face it... that's the list that matters.
@jonathandiamond6801
@jonathandiamond6801 Рік тому
338 Lapua is a beast....it makes the 338 winchester look like a little girl.
@malachiwhite356
@malachiwhite356 Рік тому
Thank you for spelling "it's" and "brake" properly. Hate reading about muzzle "breaks."
@cplskiusmc5654
@cplskiusmc5654 Рік тому
@@malachiwhite356 I know, right? There, their, and they're... It's and its... Whole and hole... Break and brake... And don't even get me started on apostrophes (muzzle "break's" UGH!!) They used to teach this stuff in school, now all they teach is racism and lgbtqabcdefg. Thank God there are still some of my fellow human beings out there like yourself who can spell and use correct punctuation.
@cplskiusmc5654
@cplskiusmc5654 Рік тому
@@jonathandiamond6801 You are absolutely correct and if you don't load your own, the cost of ammunition is a beast as well. I do load my own and when I got my .338 Lapua I also bought some once fired Lapua brass from Barrett to make sure I could continue to do that. My biggest problem is that it loves Berger 250gr Hybrids and they don't come cheap, I still have over a dollar a pop in those hand loads, but compared to 6 or 7 or 8 bucks a pop, that's cheap. And shooting a mile? No problem.
@downbytheriver501
@downbytheriver501 Рік тому
I’ve been scrolling for this comment. It’s an amazing round. Last time I went out shooting I placed 5 rounds into a milk jug at 1378 yards. First shot hit, as were the following 4. 285 gr hornady AMAX. Used to shoot the 300s but decided to try out something a bit lighter and my custom built lead pill dispenser really seems to like them.
@chadh7005
@chadh7005 Рік тому
The 243 and 308 work great. Best part is lighter recoil so you can be more precise. It dont matter how big you go if you can't hit were you want to.
@davidburkett6214
@davidburkett6214 Рік тому
my son took a cow elk with a 240 Weatherby mag @ 250 yards. she took 3 steps and dropped. Shot placement is the name of the game.
@chadh7005
@chadh7005 Рік тому
@@davidburkett6214 Exactly. Don't matter how big the gun is if you can't hit where you need too.
@mcmuskie2563
@mcmuskie2563 Рік тому
Hmmm, I love 243 but I think it’s a little light. I’d use my 7mm
@chadh7005
@chadh7005 Рік тому
@@mcmuskie2563 well good for you but a 243 works great.
@Northwoods208
@Northwoods208 Рік тому
@@chadh7005 I agree with both of these statements, given the choice every single time, my 7mm is my ideal elk rifle. That said, I've shot several elk with a .243, no drama involved. The 7mm simply allows me a little more reach if that's the opportunity I get. But where I live, once rifle season is 3-4 days in, a guy is better off grabbing a .30-30 and creeping through the timber
@reggierico
@reggierico Рік тому
Hi Ron, great conversation on a really fun topic! i love hunting with different calibers and have been successful on several times with many of your choices. Here's my list; 338 Win Mag, 300 Win Mag, 300 Wby Mag, 30 Nosler, 28 Nosler, 325 WSM, 7mm Rem Mag, 30-06 Spfld, and 270 Winchester! Cheers!
@TheLvGordo
@TheLvGordo Рік тому
Ever shot the 300 rum? Noticed the absence on your list.
@reggierico
@reggierico Рік тому
@@TheLvGordo No, I've never had the experience with a 300 RUM. I know it is an outstanding caliber, although a barrel burner, much like the Weatherby 30-378.
@chipdollason3539
@chipdollason3539 Рік тому
Loved your video Ron. Very informative and educational. I use a Ruger 77 Mark II in .338 Win Mag with a Husqvarna 30.06 as my back up rifle. That .338 kicked like a pissed off rented mule until I put a muzzle brake on it and now it shoots like a .243 with .338 power. Using Hornady Superformance .338 Win Mag 225gr SST ammo, this gun is a tack driver! Putting it to use in Montana in early Nov.
@rondye9398
@rondye9398 Рік тому
I had a 7mm Remington Magnum that just brutalized me and had it re-barreled to the .338 Win Mag with the muzzle brake. It tamed this un-shootable rifle.
@kittty2005
@kittty2005 Рік тому
T .30-378 always seemed like a nice long range cartridge for elk size game, the 416 rem-mag was my brothers...eventually after he bagged one and went back and bagged another and went back and got another 3 years in a row all trophies, I told him he ought to take that cannon after a Kodiak and he did as big as a car that one was, then he put the rifle up and took a break from hunting. I'm glad he got the bear ,he completed a hunt I started, kudos to my brother may he rest in peace.
@Pledgeman
@Pledgeman Рік тому
Thanks Ron for everything you do! My first rifle was a 308. While I didn’t hunt elk with it, many deer found their way in the freezer. I’ve taken several elk with a 300 win mag and a 300 WSM. This season I’m trying out a new 7mm REM Mag. I guess I have many favorites!
@lexwaldez
@lexwaldez Рік тому
I hunt with 7mm Rem Mag - it's great if you aren't hunting in heavy brush. She's like hunting with a friggin laser beam. My uncle swears by 300 Win Mag but he had a scary bear encounter and I think that influences his choice. I think if I had to hump something forever, have one rifle for everything, or maybe set up a youngster I'd get them a 270.
@joeykoran7504
@joeykoran7504 Рік тому
My 7mm rem mag got me an elk this year was using 185 grain and shot it at 365 yards
@kennethgoin628
@kennethgoin628 Рік тому
By the time you get to a larger grain bullet, like a 175gr or so, the ballistics don't look much different for a 7mmRemMag than a 30-06. For the extra powder and recoil, I'm seeing it as redundant and unnecessary. I have a professional acquaintance that told me to go 270wsm instead because the ballistics make more sense but with the ammo supply the way it is, I picked up the 7mmRemMag anyway, only to discover it wasn't really going to give me anything over my .30-06, unless I use a lighter bullet, which sacrifices energy out to range. I'm still tempted to pick up a 300 win mag, if I can control the recoil without selling the farm. I sold a 300wsm because the old shoulder just can't zero the round without some discomfort. If that isn't possible, I'm going to stay .30-06, because I have a tack driver in the safe already.
@tommysaulter9171
@tommysaulter9171 11 місяців тому
Funny you should mention the 300WSM... That’s my current choice for my next (3rd time ever) elk hunt and bear hunt (1st) later this year.
@rickwalsh2417
@rickwalsh2417 Рік тому
Thank you sir. Appreciate your opinion.
@johnkaraphillis754
@johnkaraphillis754 Рік тому
Ron, I like your list the best! Great video. So many choices and so much sentimental choices. 6.5’s borderline after 400 yds. Thanks
@malachiwhite356
@malachiwhite356 Рік тому
Anything is borderline after 400 yards.
@techfixr2012
@techfixr2012 Рік тому
I would say the .338 Winchester is the epitome, but I am good with my '06 with 180 gr. controlled expansion bullets. 400 yards is my absolute outside limit, but under 200 is my preferred shot if possible.
@johntellier2366
@johntellier2366 Рік тому
This right here 👍👍
@PC-uh6hk
@PC-uh6hk Рік тому
I think that shot placement and bullet construction is key to anyones choice. After years of shooting prairie dogs out to 300 to 400 yards, I feel confident in taking elk with 7mm08 out to about 350 yards but beyond that I'd choose 28 Nosler.
@ROYZARMY
@ROYZARMY Рік тому
Bro I bet you haven't even shot the nosler
@keatonjorgensen8793
@keatonjorgensen8793 Рік тому
@@ROYZARMY why you mad bro?
@PJ-si2po
@PJ-si2po Рік тому
I agree the most important thing is like you said that it is bullet placement Shoot often, become to know your rifle and at all time know where your bullet goes Thanks for the video
@gizmocarr3093
@gizmocarr3093 Рік тому
For high country, hunting and steep terrain where you are climbing or walking, a light rifle is a good choice. I have a 280 Remington lightweight rifle for that I would carry. For less demanding hunting country I would carry my 338 Winchester and feel much happier and confident using a much better cartridge and bullet. I believe an exit hole is important for whatever rifle you use. It makes tracking easier and big animals don’t always fall over in their tracks from any rifle you use. An exit wound collapse their lungs faster and shortens the time of travel of big game the size of Elk.
@Lure-Benson
@Lure-Benson Рік тому
Watch out the 30-06 fanboy's will be all over you like stink on fresh crap for saying that. I am an Alaskan professional guide for hunts of Yukon Moose and coastal brown bears so when I write the needs of rifles for Alaska big game those 270 win and 30-06 fanboy's crap their pants then get all over me with false crap, they heard some place but none of them have been to Alaska and never seen a Yukon Moose of a 1500 pound brown bear but they still make of some wild lies the 30-06 is some kind of bear cannon . There is some gruesome Alaska Troopers story's from killed lower 48 hunters that came to Alaska thinking lower 48 deer guns are Yukon moose and brown bear guns.
@gizmocarr3093
@gizmocarr3093 Рік тому
@@Lure-Benson I have been to Alaska and spent a tad over three weeks there fishing and looking around with no set plans, just a rental car. I took fishing gear and a 44 pistol for my own idea of protection. Once you see a Brown Bear, you realize a pistol is just not the answer for protection, because there isn’t one. I only made it as far as Denali and had the best time in Alaska of any trip I ever took. Spent more time in Talkeetna, looking around and fishing different places, I just learned about the area from local people and took their advice. Never liked eating salmon until I ate it in Alaska, and ate it for breakfast, lunch and dinner sometimes. Tried Whale Blubber not good; took an airplane trip around Denali. Heard Wolves Howling, scared by a Moose, fed a Red Fox that like peanut butter and jelly sandwiches and gave a Golden Eagle a Salmon. If you take a guided hunting trip you likely will never see all the things that make Alaska; Alaska.😂🙂
@MrMacacson
@MrMacacson Рік тому
7mm-08 150 grain Hornady precision hunter. Expensive, hard to find, but it is top notch!
@texastomsshavingtips6359
@texastomsshavingtips6359 Рік тому
Have you tried the 150 grain NORMA Whitetail ammo?? It's good in my Handy Rifle.!.!.!
@mr.mr.3301
@mr.mr.3301 Рік тому
@@texastomsshavingtips6359 I can’t find them. I’ve looked.
@Maddawwg45
@Maddawwg45 Рік тому
years ago when the 300wsm came out i bought a browning Abolt chambered in it i love that caliber accurate, recoil didn’t seem as bad as a 30/06 either soo my buddy drew a limited bull elk tag here in Oklahoma in the wichita mountains and i had him take my rifle because the scope on his 7mm rem mag broke a week before his hunt well long story short i was thrilled to let him use it and one shot with a 165 grain ballistic tip ( yes it was loaded for deer not elk ) did a terrific job on his 6x6 bull he took , complete pass threw both sides as well with a well placed shot
@stevewehner9540
@stevewehner9540 4 місяці тому
Ron this was a Great show. I enjoyed how you coverd all the possibilities for hunting elk but i think it could be equated to all big game. It all comes down to the hunters confidence in his rifle and shot placement. Your mention of hydroshock gave us the reason for larger calibers which tend to cover up poor shot placement after all you could use a bazooka if you weren't very confident. Of course there wouldn't be much left. Thanks again.
@UngulateGuardian797
@UngulateGuardian797 Рік тому
The best cartridge for any animal is one that you can shoot accurately and consistently, within reasonable cartridge size and caliber that is. Of course there will be people that will say oh so I should use a .22 LR, but we need to be cognizant of terminal performance and ballistics. Great video Ron. Keep up the great work!
@texpatriot8462
@texpatriot8462 Рік тому
I am building a 280 AI in hopes of going Elk hunting. I picked it over the 7mm Mag+ because I can make up any fps deficit by getting a closer shot and by hand-loading with sturdy copper bullets. Plus I am not taking overly long shots beyond my skill set.
@Ben-ry1py
@Ben-ry1py Рік тому
280AI has plenty of power for elk. What a sweet cartridge. Best of luck on that elk!
@lyellclare9365
@lyellclare9365 Рік тому
Use Barnes TTSX and you will be fine. Another good projectile for the 280 is the 156 Oryx. I have shot large deer with these and all have been one shot kills. The Swedes use the 156 Oryx for Moose which says it all.
@davidnave4349
@davidnave4349 Рік тому
@@lyellclare9365 Don't tell anyone but I have killed numerous Elk with a 120 grain. sierra sp. before it wasn't so popular and the elk fell down immediately in there tracks.
@stevepeters3238
@stevepeters3238 Рік тому
Ron, always gives good information and you are probably the most diplomatic and unbiased person I have ever had the opportunity to enjoy. I am from Elmer Keith school. However, I do not think a big hammer makes up for stalking and marksmanship. I just kinda enjoy recoil. but i am a large man and as you said. in the field, i dont even notice the report.
@michaelbandeko3519
@michaelbandeko3519 11 місяців тому
I am surprised the 338-06 didn't make anyone's list. Been doing the job for me for quite a few years. I like the 225gr. Nosler Partition.
@firstjohn3123
@firstjohn3123 7 місяців тому
Yep.
@jimdavis3273
@jimdavis3273 Рік тому
I've only shot two elk in my life and for both I used my custom CZ 98 in .358 Winchester. I used a 225gr sierra for both, the first one was 250 yards and went down with one shot. The second one was a 100 yards with same result and I've also taken Moose,deer and black bear with it too. It's always worked great for me so I'll keep using it as long as can find bullets for it.
@6254KLR
@6254KLR Рік тому
I would LOVE to build a .358 Winchester on a Rem 700 platform.
@TheWVgoodguy22
@TheWVgoodguy22 Рік тому
Those are some great lists. I like how you did yours as well. I actually have two on your list (kinda) in the 270 and 300 WSM. I could load 150 grain Nosler Partitions in my 270 for elk, but I have my 300 WSM. It’s a Savage m110 Long Range Hunter. I would just change out the bullet from a Berger Hybrid Hunter 185 grain to a Barnes TTSX or Hammer in similar weight or the Hornady GMX 180 Outfitter ammo and ELDX 200 grain shoot well out of it. I also have 180 grain Accubond that I should develop a load for.
@troy9477
@troy9477 10 місяців тому
Great presentation. Lots of good info. I would put in a word for the 338 Federal. Sort of a kinder, gentler medium bore. Seems to be at its best with 185-210 gr bullets. It should do anything that needs doing out to 300 yards or a little more, and reputedly the recoil is not much more than a 308. Not sure why it is not more popular. The 300 Wby is very popular, and of course it can be downloaded a bit if desired. I am very interested in the 6.5 PRC. Seems like a great concept. It has more energy than the 6.5 CM or the 6.5x55 (very similar to each other). We know the 6.5x55 has been reliably dropping Scandinavian moose fot about 130 years, and they are bigger than elk. It is all about reaching the vitals, which 6.5's seem to do well. I haven't done much hunting, but i have become a ballistics nerd. Many of my rifles are vintage, so i would like to try out the modern design philosophy of the 6.5 PRC. I do not foresee a need for the 7 or 300 PRC for myself. I am also interested in a 280 AI. It seems to be one of the most efficient cartridges out there. And if i didn't already have multiple 308's, i would very likely have a 7mm-08 for general usage. Lots of good choices out there. When i was young i thought i would "need" a 338 Win Mag if i ever went elk hunting, or at the very least a 300. After a little while i realized it wasn't necessary, and an -06 (my favorite) would be fine with proper bullets. Heck, i could even go really vintage and use my Krag......
@ValadezReels
@ValadezReels Рік тому
My favorite 7mm-08 is perfect for any Texas game. This works on the elk in New Mexico. A great versatile cartridge.
@lmbear
@lmbear Рік тому
So many good choices out there right now. Bullet technology really improves cartridge efficiency these days. I've found the 30-06 with a good 200 grain Nosler partition to do a stand up job. Recently I switched to the 7mm08 using the 140gr Barnes TTSX and it also punches above its weight class. My all time favorite has always been the 338wm though. It was made for elk hunting.
@BlkInc1
@BlkInc1 Рік тому
Just at longer distances I think that the rest?
@johntownley9885
@johntownley9885 Рік тому
There always gonna be the debate of what caliber for this or that, but in North America the 30-06 loaded with the bullets and powder we have today there is nothing it won’t kill on this continent. Plus it’s one of the most widely available cartridges in just about any place you might find yourself. Definitely has worked for me.
@jamiehurtt3530
@jamiehurtt3530 Рік тому
Absolutely correct sir
@jamiehurtt3530
@jamiehurtt3530 Рік тому
@Patrick Baptist If you handload and you still want a magnum to shoot that is easy on the shoulder and handles 200 hrain bullets well I suggest a pre 64 win chambered in venerable 300 H&H magnum ..it's just a step up from the ITS BASICALLY A SUPER 30-06 and milder reoiling than a 300 win mag.but it can be handloaded to match 300 win bag ballistics. One 2 rifles I shoot and handload are 06 and 300 H&H..either one is great tho
@jamiehurtt3530
@jamiehurtt3530 Рік тому
@Patrick Baptist Yiu can also find many never fired NEW IN BOX Remington 700 classic rifles chambered 8n 300 H&H As well. Just a tip if you're interested
@jamiehurtt3530
@jamiehurtt3530 Рік тому
@Patrick Baptist 338 is a good gun 👍
@jamiehurtt3530
@jamiehurtt3530 Рік тому
@Patrick Baptist What make snd model is it I had a ruger 77 for years and hunted southeast alasks with it for years on admiralty island
@markwhitteck6055
@markwhitteck6055 Рік тому
I’ve used a custom built 700 Remington BDL chambered in 338-06 using 215 grain Sierra Game King bullets. Really good success with this combination.
@dr.froghopper6711
@dr.froghopper6711 Рік тому
I haven’t ever used bonded or solid bullets-yet. But Nosler Partitions have behaved admirably in the past. Put the right bullet in the right spot within the appropriate range and you will kill the elk. My dad did it with a 35 Remington from a Marlin 336. It died dead!
@rogertorgersen9995
@rogertorgersen9995 Рік тому
I reload with Partitions. Love them
@Mark-uq9km
@Mark-uq9km Рік тому
The .35 Remington has taken some pretty big game including Grizzlies. It would not be optimal for elk or moose but it would still get the job done.
@Lure-Benson
@Lure-Benson Рік тому
I have reloaded for the 35 Remington I load the Barns TTSX 200 grain bullet then one of these goes into the guns chamber with the round noise in the tube magazine and so far, the Barns TTSX 200 grain from the 35 Rem is so lethal I never need to even chamber a new round all things die.
@Mark-uq9km
@Mark-uq9km Рік тому
@@Lure-Benson I like hearing stories like yours. What powder and weight do you use and how deep is the bullet seated? Do you have a velocity number at the muzzle, 50 yards and 100 yard? I'm thinking of loading 180 gr. Hawk bullets with 38 grains of IMR 3031.
@Lure-Benson
@Lure-Benson Рік тому
@@Mark-uq9km For the 35 Remington loads for the Marlin 336 I am using Winchester 748 36 grains under the Barns TTSX 200 grain bullet. I seat the bullets to where they still can be extracted from the chamber by using the guns lever. I haven't checked Velocity but it is a sure thing this are faster than any commercial loads and maybe even come close to the 358 win. IMR 3031 has the same burn rate as W-748 so that load you want to use would work fine. This load from the 35 Remington was with the power I put a Barns TTSX 200 grain bullet at the last rib of a 1000 pound Rosevelt cow Elk with the bullet exiting the other side in front of the shoulder blade. This was a hail Mary shot at a running Elk in a heard of 30 Elk 150 yards away like ether shoot or watch winter meat get away ! Knowing the load shoots 1/4 groups @ 100 yard for me missing was not happening. The cow Elk was found 50 yards from where hit piled up against a log.
@mmpatriot2170
@mmpatriot2170 Рік тому
I’ve taken a couple of elk with 30-06 and a friend’s old Winchester Model 70. We recently inherited a couple of rifles from my father in law, a 308 and a 300 Win Mag, both Browning bolt action rifles. If I was going to be doing a lot of hiking, I’d take the 308. Otherwise I think I’d use the 300 Win Mag.
@amoruzz
@amoruzz 7 місяців тому
Great video Ron 👍
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