The many, MANY failed 4-door Porsches (including the Porsche 989)
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Рік томуPorsche is known for fast sports cars, but you might be surprised to know that in 2022 4 door cars made up more than 8 out of every 10 cars Porsche sold. Yet 20 years earlier, it only sold 2 door cars, with cramped rear seats only suitable for small children. That fun Porsche you had in your 20s could be used in a pinch when the kids came along, but those kids grew and your Porsche became impractical. Customers fled to other car brands and many never returned. Porsche needed to change that.
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@BigCar2 Рік тому
Erratum: The 1955 Lincoln Capri I tag it more like a 1956 or 1957 model.
@caeserromero3013 Рік тому
Unforgivable 😂
@Jack-si2pg Рік тому
Would be good if you made a video on all of Porsche's VW or Audio collaborations. The 914 lives with the not a real porsche stigma yet per your video, the Cayenne was a group collaboration. And from my understanding so were Porsche 928, 944, 968. The 356 and 912s also had VW engines. Could help dispel the stigma and clarify Porsche's history of collaboration.
@penzlic Рік тому
That 989 is a beautiful car even today, it kept the shape of 911. Sure, some headspace is sacrificed for that long sloping line, but when you look at "4 door coupe" craze from early 2000's, or 4 door coupe SUVs, you can say that Porsche was waaaay ahead of its time.
@aaryeshg.6526 Рік тому
Then Mercedes came along later with the first gen CLS to make the "4 door coupe" thing work. And I believe Infiniti came up with the "SUV coupe" thing with the FX 45, which BMW later did with the X6 and was more popular.
@assininecomment1630 Рік тому
If making it look pretty was the only priority for a 4-dr, 4-seat 911, then your idea would be a good one. 🙂 However, in the real world, there are things called buyers and money and products. If you want to spend money to make something that people will actually like and want and buy and use (and hopefully buy another next time) your 4-dr, 4-seat car really needs to comfortably accommodate 4 adults. I know, I know - the 90s were crazy times. It was a wild idea, wasn't it..! 🤪 One of the wild things was a huge economic slow-down. Two, in fact - and even a recession in some nations! In the late 80s and early 90s, Porsche sold f-all cars. Few sales = tiny profits = no big money for new idea, especially flawed, and untested vehicle development.
@grunchlk Рік тому
I never understood why they didn't build the 4door based on the 993. It looked so much better than the Panamera. Probably Porsches finances at the time didn't allow it. Unimaginable today, bit they almost went bust in the 90ies.
@Kacpa2 Рік тому
Yeah, Panamera looks quite awful. They shouldve just went with station wagon Panamera from the very start, especially since they got styling down for 1st gen Cayenne. 4-door 911 could be done more in RX-8 style with rear suicide doors and longer wheelbase.
@romulus_ Рік тому
@@Kacpa2 they've finally figured out the panamera wagon just in time for it to go away thanks to the taycan sport/cross turismo.
@Kacpa2 Рік тому
@@romulus_ And after they stopped offering a manual transmission, they have the worst timing and decision making possible...
@samuel999 Рік тому
The video details exactly why they didn't.
@cloudstrife1983 Рік тому
993 is my fave style 911
@jayg1438 Рік тому
I love how the original Panamera looks, and the 989 concept for that matter. Fastbacks are hard to do well, and I guess a lot of people find the quirky, but I like them.
@ej22_gc86 Рік тому
Absolutely! The moment I saw the panamera it struck me as something really beautiful.
@Trendyflute Рік тому
I always liked the original Panamera, initially in a "it's funky but I like it" way but over time it's aged into a really nice design. I also think the 1st gen Panamera was a great size; they went full-on S-class/7-series size in the 2nd gen but the 1st gen was a great "tweener" - a bit bigger than an E/5, smaller than a 7/S but with comparable luxury to those, plus more performance to go into that smaller body. The current ones are great cars I'm sure (if you can afford to maintain them!) but I miss that 1st gen size for an aspirational owner-driven luxury car.
@PabloPerezdynamo Рік тому
I always love the Panamera design, back in time when was released it was a little bit different from all the family cars on the market
@fredericperrin3279 Рік тому
As a teen, I remember seeing drawings of the 989 in a car magazine. I couldn't believe how great the car looked. Many years later, the Panamera came out. On photos, it looked awkward but the first time I saw it in real life, I really liked it. In 2017 I bought the last model of the first generation of the Panamera. I prefer the first gen to the current one. It looks more special, the rear windows look so cool, the tail lights are far more original than the second generation flat bar. And the butt of the car, while controversial and not great looking from some angles, has this "F... you" look that I think makes this car great. And the interior is phenomenal, again much nice than the new model.
@JaguarFiend Рік тому
I don't usually like 4 door cars when there's a 2 door version available but the first time I saw the Panamera I thought it looked amazing. I still think it's absolutely gorgeous.
@beatles4sale2007 Рік тому
Perhaps a video on the VAG group would shed some light on a few things. Obviously both companies had decades of interwoven relationships, but Porsches woes in the 80s and 90s sounds familiar to Volkswagen in the 1970s. Primarily due to reliance on one very successful platform, ie the Beetle and 911 respectively.
@Sacto1654 Рік тому
As an earlier video from Big Car showed, all the attempts to replace the Beetle with a new model using similar mechanicals proved to be a *BAD* idea. It was just easier to just drop that idea and go with a modern transverse FWD platform, one that became the Volkswagen Golf of 1974.
@tng2057 Рік тому
Irony is that two door / three door coupes can hold value pretty well despite being impractical. In particular certain Mercedes.
@gteixeira Рік тому
When they are low mileage weekend cars then yes. However when people buy more practical 4 door SUVs they tend to be driven more and end up with a higher mileage.
@paulpichler Рік тому
And Mercedes Coupes are very rare compared to 4 door sedans.
@tng2057 Рік тому
Actually more than Mercedes. Even Mazda MX5 Miata and Toyota GR86 / 86 hold value better than a lot 4 and 5 doors.
@an-dr6eu Рік тому
@@gteixeira An SUV is never more practical
@boardernut Рік тому
@@an-dr6eu can´t agree more, at least here in europe a Cayenne is a pita almost everywhere
@damilolaakanni Рік тому
9:13 I wouldn't really say it was. Keep in mind that during the development process of this 4 door Porsche, they were building the 400E and 500E (later E400 and E500) for Mercedes-Benz, they even helped with the development of those cars. It made sense for them to do that.
@gabrielmiranda480 Рік тому
they also build and had a hand on development of the audi rs2
@nwnwnwn Рік тому
400e too? ive never known that
@damilolaakanni Рік тому
@missionna8 the 500E was built to compete with the M5, the 400E was built to compete with Lexus.
@coscorrodrift Рік тому
was porsche building the 400E as well? Do you have more information on that?
@damilolaakanni Рік тому
@coscorrodrift according to Wikipedia, "Porsche also constructed the chassis for the 400 E, which was in essence identical to the 500 E's chassis."
@jamesengland7461 Рік тому
Great video! I think Porsche has sort of repaired the Panamera's looks in recent years, but the Taycan is gorgeous, showing how far off the Panamera remains.
@triangleofdeath6246 9 місяців тому
I can definitely see that, the first gen is hideous. The second gen looks a lot more refined.
@egooooooooo Рік тому
ive always loved how the panamera looked. very angular in the front and calmer in the back. it was very stylish and modern for its time back in 2009. to me its gorgeous
@dxutube Рік тому
Always loved the 989. Also I never had a problem with the Panamera's looks. I prefer the original camera angle btw.
@JoshuaC923 Рік тому
The 989 actually looks pretty good in side profile, the back needs improvement though.
@terminal-velocity111 Рік тому
Such a well researched and presented video. Thanks for putting in the usual hard work.
@Dutch-vj2eg Рік тому
IMO, the current gen Panamera looks quite good. I drove a GTS and it is a great car. Porsche's first gen efforts for any of their current line-up were a bit dodgy but they steadily improve them. The 996 looked awful but what came after improved each successive generation. I think that they rightfully waited, the acceptance of expensive luxury cars in their main markets wasn't there but has increased significantly after 2000.
@T.E.S.S. Рік тому
That H50 would make an awesome hearse
@StephanBuchin Рік тому
Extremely well done and informative video running at just the right pace 🙂
@markosu Рік тому
I honestly cannot see why they didn't build a four seater much earlier. It would've widened their market share substantially, which really would've been good when they were low on money in the 90s.
@romulus_ Рік тому
probably company culture. a bunch of old timers who couldn't fathom a sports car manufacturer making anything but that. they had to be saved from themselves in the 90s.
@CarPlebs Рік тому
Very simple a combination of Cashflow and capital expenditure requirements. Simply put they would able to reach 15000 units p a and would inevitably went bankrupt
@Sv5YpWTwd9otTA4So83f Рік тому
Customers were less willing to buy trash then. The best selling Porsche model nowadays is the Cayenne. 80s and 90s consumers were not that stupid. Now, they're so stupid that they'll buy fake land rovers over sedans.
@LaurentiusTriarius Рік тому
They had the 968. For awhile it was probably a huge debate inside Porshaaaa, they could have made the weirdest grand tourer based on that platform.
@nlpnt Рік тому
Sometime before 1955, a 356 engine and chassis tuning with a stock VW body. A German Lotus-Cortina, a decade before the British one.
@cookc327 Рік тому
I really appreciate all the research that goes into these - and on a marque I really enjoy, it's a great video! I still wonder how the world would have changed had that Studebaker project actually gone just a little further
@MotorTorq_ZA Рік тому
i think the panamera looks lovely. its such a timeless design. its just as pretty to me as the e65 7 series
@Klopcyna Рік тому
or the Fiat multipla for that matter
@MotorTorq_ZA Рік тому
@@Klopcyna eh i dont like the multipla
@thrice1987 Рік тому
Thank god you use images to illustrate every car. All of those 9-hundred numbers being thrown around couldn't get any more confusing 🤣
@stevieinselby Рік тому
I never thought the Panamera was ugly ... not saying I wanted one, but it wasn't the looks that would put me off. The Cayenne, on the other hand, was a minger with a capital M. And a capital I. And a capital N, G, E and R.
@GeeEm1313 Рік тому
In my early 20s, I rode in the back of a 944. Never again.
@baronvonjo1929 Рік тому
Porsche is now more of a crossover of brand these days. It's what keeps the lights on and probably what most young kids will think when they hear Porsche as time goes on as it's the only thing most ever see. I really like the Panermara. Totally spelled that wrong.
@danvandal4127 Рік тому
It's nice to find out about the other Porsches. Thank you!
@AllanteGrissom Рік тому
Brilliant video, extremely informative. Keep up the great work! 👍
@k9killer221 Рік тому
The nominal two rear seat area in the 911 is actually very useful. You can put lots of luggage back there, on the floor and on the seats; and its easy to access. The "Frunk" space is quite limited, but OK for most shopping etc. I actually don't use it - I just throw my sh!t into the back. As an option, you can have the rear seats removed entirely, but if you need a load carrier, buy a load carrier.
@TheMacz69 Рік тому
I always thought they should offer it with the seats removed and fit some sort of a luggage carrying space
@idanceforpennies281 Рік тому
@@TheMacz69 I think that's what happens. You get a liner, rubber floor mats with luggage straps and a cargo net in lieu of the deleted rear seats. I actually have not personally seen this, but I think I saw it as an option.
@BITTYBOY121 Рік тому
Great story - Thanks for posting as always - Very informative video !
@johnnymason2460 Рік тому
Eventually Porsche got the 4-door models that they wanted and needed: the Cayenne and the Panamera. Both have been very successful.
@marcusbingham1625 Рік тому
Great stuff, always like your vids and info given
@TheyCallMePDub Рік тому
Fascinating subject and superb video! Excellent presentation and quality 👍
@panaceiasuberes6464 Рік тому
Amazing content, as always.
@weofnjieofing Рік тому
Its called the Volkswagen parts bin. VW are notorious for platform sharing and they did it here with Porsche. Tiguan/Macan and Taureg/Cayenne
@bjoernaltmann Рік тому
Very interesting! I remember that when the first 4-door Porsche came out, it seemed like blasphemy. A good solution to not make it look like a stretched 911, but a thing of its own.
@mattg8369 Рік тому
Great topic and great video.
@ianedmonds9191 Рік тому
That 989 looked much better than the Panamera.
@aluminati9918 Рік тому
As always, you are well researched, interesting and presentation is spot on. (I always liked the Panamera BTW..😅)
@randolfo1265 Рік тому
Thanks for this, Big Car. I learned a lot and saw some Porsche prototypes that I never knew existed. Porsche hoping to replace the 911 cars with a 928 line-up kind of reminds me of BMW coming with K100s and K75s, then the originals outlasting those.
@nadeemchaudhry6585 Рік тому
Another video, I didn't think I needed to watch, but was so wrong!! Thanks for the effort and excellent research.
@GrotrianSeiler Рік тому
Excellent history lesson. Thanks
@Bod8998 Рік тому
Excellent as usual
@elmafias6141 Рік тому
Porsche 4-door existed until the 21st century. They were just called Tatra.
@stuartleckie Рік тому
You know how folks have bucket list stuff, but it’s usually about going places; well, for me it’s own a 928. Love how they look. I think spurred on by having a Matchbox model of one when I was really young. Gorgeous looking thing. Not so sure about that -4 version though. Wonderful video Andy, tons of facts and stats in it, which I really appreciate!
@bradevans7935 Рік тому
I know how you feel about 928's. Almost bought a really clean early one about 10-12 years ago, but decided against it at the time, then got to watch local prices for them double almost overnight.
@pyrexmaniac Рік тому
I, too, loved the 928 and collected Matchbox cars.....I had fifteen different variations of the Matchbox 928....the metallic cocoa color was perfect, if not exactly sporty. In real life, I loved the funky "op art" interior fabric of the 928. Sadly, the funky fabric was not entirely durable, the light-colored segments of the design practically disintegrating is heat and sunlight.
@stuartleckie Рік тому
@@pyrexmaniac gosh, I remember that colour of Matchbox 928 all too well. Exactly as you said, not sporty, kinda classy though. might need to have a look through my old Matchbox cars again, see what I still have 🙂
@sukhdevr3489 Рік тому
@@stuartleckie Which matchbox cars do you have? My favourite die casts are the Skyline, Eclipse, 68 Mustang and gold 350z. Most hot wheels.
@vacuumnoise Рік тому
Great video. Thank you
@klasseact6663 Рік тому
Another very interesting video, thank you very much!
@The_R-n-I_Guy Рік тому
Crossovers have destroyed everything. I miss the days of station wagons/estate cars. They're better in every way
@manofthehour6856 Рік тому
As always, these videos are hugely informative, entertaining, and reliably-well researched. I was not aware of a Studebaker/Porsche association early on, and I am quite surprised that the model was given a "no go" for looking "outdated". And of all people, I am surprised that it was John Delorean who was behind the decision only because he was an engineer. That being said, his talent was renowned for the magic that he brought to Pontiac, so if he was instrumental in canceling the project, it was likely for good reason. Not a Porsche fan myself, although some of these four door versions look pretty attractive, especially the silver car in the static introductory photo. The 911 variations remind me of the Panhard Dyna.
@CaSuMog Рік тому
Haven‘t seen the vid fully yet, but Jaguar had some issues with the E-Type 2+2 as well….and that was a 2 door 2+2. Not a 4 door.
@natswii Рік тому
Very interesting video thanks
@aleksatodorovic9506 Рік тому
Oh 989 is the coolest panamera that never was
@jamesdellaneve9005 Рік тому
It’s impossible to use large scale manufacturing techniques for smaller production runs. That’s what always gets them. GM was smart in making Corvette a separate division to allow them to think differently than the core engineering and manufacturing guys. Porsche has struggled since their inception. Hopefully, they will continue to survive from their larger benefactors. They are great cars indeed.
@groundedgaming Рік тому
The 989 looked so much better than the 2009 Panamera! Should have just kept the shape. Anyways, I’m very interested in the Lotus Type 125/Exos story. A F1 track day car would have been so cool. Too bad it was a failure. Can you do a story on it?
@williammurphy3766 Рік тому
Great to see images from the Porsche museum in Stuttgart. This stylish building (easily accessed via the city's S-Bahn system) contains the wackiest Porsche of all time - a hybrid from 1904. The idea was sound, but the technology would not catch up with the theoretical concept for another 80 years.
@georgewashington1106 Рік тому
Well done, as usual. Would love to see a Lotus Elan story at some point
@BigCar2 Рік тому
That would be a fun on to do. I've added it to the (very long) list.
@carsyoungtimerfreak1149 Рік тому
Good video, thank you. One remark on the 928. The car was very good. It were the clients who wanted to stay with the 911. I never understood why, after all the 911 is a fundamentally flawed design (as LJK Setright commented many decades ago) with its engine behind the back axle!
@Rypsolisti Рік тому
Correction! That Lincoln Capri at 1:13 is actually a 1957 Lincoln, not '55 model. :)
@BigCar2 Рік тому
Thanks - I've pinned a correction.
@arianwinanto6299 Рік тому
The irony was, Porsche was commissioned by Mercedes to engineer and assemble their W124 500E 4 door and 2 door variants during their crisis years and underutilised factory. So it technically can be called Porsche's first 4 door. At least with the cash they received and with the Boxster sales, it helped their development for the Cayenne
@anthonyperkins7556 Рік тому
I like the 4 door Porsche Panamera Sportwagon turbo diesel as it was roomy for 4 adults if you specified the four individual seat option, and just about takes 5 adults at a pinch with the standard 60/40 split foldable bench seat. It was quite practical and economical over the fuel thirsty petrols.
@gulfstream7235 Рік тому
Being a miserable old fart I do appreciate the work you put into these videos for my brief stint of enjoyment...
@cheharrison7107 Рік тому
Great video, love the behind the scenes/development vehicle stuff. Would it of been to much of a risk to design a different body shape rather than just trying to elongate the 911? None of the designs seemed to have the correct proportions.
@pouyazadutube Рік тому
I really enjoy your videos. Still waiting for your Hillman Hunter story! 😅
@cornishrider Рік тому
Great video, no mention of the 500E or RS2 collaborations although I guess that's all they were.
@StrangerYann Рік тому
swanky new intros man what made you adopt those? this is your second video I see with one of 'em I'm curious but I like what I see keep it up, man 🙂
@BigCar2 Рік тому
I've been doing something similar since the Triumph Stag video in 2019. I got the idea from an RMC video.
@rickintexas1584 Рік тому
I learned a lot watching this video. I drive a 2011 Panamera S. It is a great car.
@robertward8794 Рік тому
In the late 60's or early 70's an issue of Road & Track featured a 4 door Porsche on the front cover. The car was a one off made by someone in the US as I recall.
@MrSheymie Рік тому
Excellent, very informative and interesting video. Proximity to camera is better in previous videos IMHO.
@BigCar2 Рік тому
New camera. I'm trying a (slightly) different style.
@MyCatInABox Рік тому
3:16 😮 I see that Porsche Boxter prototype in the top right😲👍
@sq1rlsqu4d Рік тому
Nice one, I wasn't aware of the 928-based cars. No mention of the Taycan though? Separate video maybe?
@BigCar2 Рік тому
Maybe in the future, but it's a bit new for my channel.
@joshuafrahm8778 Рік тому
I love my Panamera, its a first gen, and I understand some of the criticism, but I think as long as the spoiler is up it looks good.
@kenon6968 9 місяців тому
Studebaker really leaned into Germany, they were also the exclusive Mercedes distributor for the US
@alles_klar Рік тому
I saw the four-door 928 at the Porsche museum in Stuttgart years ago and loved it, but I doubt it'd have achieved any kind of commercial success in the intended market.
@phantomguard71 Рік тому
Not mentioned in the Video: In the late 60's, there was a successful one-off 4 door 911, known as the Troutman-Barnes Porsche, that was even tested by Road & Track. Even that looked better than the Panamera 😆
@watchfan6180 Рік тому
Great video, upvite
@kahhowong3417 8 місяців тому
Panamera's tortoise back was a styling nod to the cult Volkswagen 411 of the late sixties and seventies
@jussiketels151 Рік тому
There was also in the 90‘s a 928 Station, produced by Arzt, what would help Porsche out of the mess, but they probably not interested, some where sold as a aftermarket rebuild and they have been really nice..😊
@jayartz8562 Рік тому
I think you got the spelling wrong.
@jussiketels151 Рік тому
Might be???
@conga60vonderweihe97 9 місяців тому
I think that a 964 long wheelbase would be very cool.
@davidpeters6536 Рік тому
I am of the same opinion as Clarkson on Porsche. Another great video, but I'd really like to see you do one on VAG.
@Samson44444 Рік тому
Great video. Subscribed! Wanted to know more about bmws bid for Porsche as you mentioned in the video. Couldn’t find any good google searches
@BigCar2 Рік тому
The link below is where I got it. The article is from Steve Saxty (the Ford book guy) and I trust him to get it right: www.hagerty.com/media/automotive-history/how-porsches-secret-989-sedan-went-from-savior-to-failure/
@Samson44444 Рік тому
@@BigCar2 ty for the reply and the link. amazing channel!
@ravisriram6746 Рік тому
These were actually pretty nice!
@masterchinese28 7 днів тому
I remember reading about the 989 in car magazines. I was looking forward to seeing one. Alas, it was not to be. Ahead of its time.
@klutchcustoms2428 Рік тому
Tatra did a four seater 911 before the 911 existed! That said, the 989 is like a Mandela effect MK1 Panamera. I could easily be convinced Porsche launched it beside the boxter if I wasn't paying attention!
@BOABModels Рік тому
I really hated how the Cayenne and Panamera looked when they were released but clearly that's where the market has gone, especially regarding the Cayenne.
@ButterfatFarms 8 місяців тому
Last week i delivered an order to a home in a gated community. There's a new Corvette in the driveway, a BMW SUV, and 3 Porsche Cayennes.
@Ballterra Рік тому
I don’t know a lot about Porches but in recent years I have found myself looking at the Cayenne and Panamera and liking them. It must of been a brave soul to sign off on both those models.🤞🤞🤞
@jamesbowen2105 Рік тому
Ferdinand Piech, Grandson and Their to Ferdinand Porsche. the rebirthed VW Audi Porsche group were his Late life achievement.
@andrewdubose9968 Рік тому
Conversely, I’m surprised they haven’t used the Panamera as the starting point for a new 928.
@KRW628 Рік тому
The problem with the Panamera (and the Macan) - no manual gearbox (only 146 first Gen Panameras had manauls). These are cars for dentists, not drivers.
@nb8718 Рік тому
Unpopular opinion: I like the panamera and think its a lovely looking car.
@bavarianbrit1 Рік тому
I was a studio engineer in the studio working on that project from clay up in 1990 then due to the Gulf war 1 the Americans Ford GM Chrysler were advertising "Don't buy German cars as they will not join us in this war" They could not join in as their post WW2 constitution would not allow them. This drove Porsche almost to the wall as they were selling 75% of the 911s into the US market, so I was laid off. I went back in 2000-2 working on the Cayenne instrument panel for the supplier Textron.
@DidierBan Рік тому
It only needed to be extended to have more space in the back and keep the two door style. It would have been a major sale compared with the four door . But the big issue was the change from rear to mid engine setup; rear engine platform gives more space capability for passengers
@harisdevedzic3167 Рік тому
We had a 4 door Porsche, it was called Mercedes 500E, also a Porsche stationwagon, the Audi RS2 :) I like the 989, shame it wasn't put in to production
@DoubleDeckerAnton Рік тому
It would have been an interesting addition.
@rusty911s2 Рік тому
Surprising how that Gen1 Pan has mellowed to being merely ungainly rather than outright putrid. I wonder how much these are now? (Reaches for Autotrader... ).
@goldpharaoh6976 Рік тому
That 989 tho, looks sleek asf.
@brunoheggli2888 Рік тому
Porsche is pure love!
@davidhinkson8856 Рік тому
I had no idea Porsche had tried to make bigger cars for so long. I remember seeing the 989 concept in am issue of Car magazine in the early 1990s and seeing it now, it was a forerunner of the BMW Gran Coupes and the Mercedes CLS. But maybe the market wasn't ready for that yet. I also remember around the time the Cayenne came out, one of the car magazines said a focus group Porsche held discovered that most Porsche owners in the US had a Ford Explorer as their second car. No surprise that the Cayenne and the other SUVs they make now do so well and to some degree I see aspects of the 989 design in the Panamera, although I guess current safety regulations might have influenced that so it's not as pretty.
@xx-dl6pk Рік тому
It bugs me how manufacturers insist on 4/5 door versions of their small cars and claim it is for practicality. The doors end up so small they may as well be cat flaps.
@mwh3227 Рік тому
The Type 530 is a really good looking car!
@eleventy-seven 9 місяців тому
Great story. Thanks.
@miguelluna6842 8 місяців тому
I'm surprised you didn't mention Porshe's heavy involvement with the old W124 Mercedes -Benz 500E.
@NFSBeast2365 10 місяців тому
I love Porsches. In particular I am a huge fan of the Panamera. I enjoy driving them in Need for Speed games.
@chaoringmeister Рік тому
Don’t know many people in their 20s buying Porsches….
@stevenjoy3537 Рік тому
Watching, waiting to get to the Panamera. Realised I had completely forgotten the Cayenne
@jovar.3649 Рік тому
The 1st gen Panamera is still ugly as sin because one man at 6"1 had to fit in the back seats. Why couldn't he have been 5"6? Also, I think if there was a 1st gen Sport Turismo, the Panamera would have been far better received.
@frederickvondinkerberg7721 Рік тому
Beauty is subjective and I have always liked the Panamera... nothing wrong with the looks
@wasdwasdwwasd Рік тому
@@frederickvondinkerberg7721 Beauty may be subjective but good design is not.
@jovar.3649 Рік тому
@@wasdwasdwwasd A-Frickin Men
@michaelopere5424 Рік тому
Jova R Matthias Muller made the right decision to make the Porsche wide and long,because the average German is usually tall and huge.
@frederickvondinkerberg7721 Рік тому
@@wasdwasdwwasd yes that is also subjective, you don't seem to understand what that means
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