That doritos bag story is hilarious. “doritos bag” was a convenient name for an actual faraday shielding bag. Somewhere someone who never heard of that term waited too long into the conversation to ask “do you mean a literal Doritos Bag”? And by then it would look too silly to ask. So the trade term doritos bag was, like in the game of telephone, telegraphed into the literal Doritos Bag. Nobody in the isolated group where that fiasco was introduced had ever stopped to ask “like seriously literally a Doritos bag?! Should we try and call that phone in the bag to see if that actually works?” Yeah, sometimes the king is really naked. 😂
@HarterConner4 роки тому
Get this man a glass of water.
@raul0ca4 роки тому
Hard to talk and swallow at the same time
@namesurname6244 роки тому
Early and often
@neinjunge55604 роки тому
that fucking lip-smacking...
@VidarrKerr4 роки тому
Him speaking like that ruined the entire video/story/lecture. Too bad.
@kizahd4 роки тому
Sounded like he had to burp.
@JohnMischo5 років тому
This was compelling. It is an excellent example of how metadata can be used against ANY target. This is why people need to care about how or even if this data is regulated and controlled. You took us step by step through the tools used, the data gathered and what it revealed, and finally how it was applied against a target in the real world. This is excellent journalism. As you said all of your source material is in the public domain, and anyone could recreate this outcome for themselves following the methods you laid out clearly. The fact that stories such as this don't wind up on the air at NBC is part of why there is distrust of "the media". Thank you for the reporting. I'm glad I stumbled on this and I am eager to follow up on how the state of metadata has evolved since you gave this talk in 2013.
@theprogram8634 роки тому
It's a great story, but for an NBC reporter who is supposed to be a humanities guy rather than a techie, he was surprisingly clumsy in his delivery. Excellent content.
@edwardstables51534 роки тому
@@theprogram863 talking to a room full of tech guys probably isn't something he's use to :)
@theprogram8634 роки тому
@Hakageryuu very good point. I'm just pointing out that as a humanities guy, delivery is supposed to be his speciality. (I'm more noticing the lack of structure in the story he tells than the style he uses to tell it). Like I said, it's excellent content.
@an1skh4n4 роки тому
@@theprogram863 nah, not necessarily. There's a bunch of research nerds in the humanities too that aren't naturals at public speaking. It's a learned skill for most people
@theprogram8634 роки тому
@@an1skh4n Yeah but what I meant by structure is, can you write an outline of his talk? I would have trouble doing so. A good research paper has a structure that makes you as easy to understand as possible. So it's more that I'm surprised at what he did a week before when he was writing the powerpoint. If there's one thing humanities pushes (especially for research nerds) it's how to outline a good paper.
@paulthomann554410 років тому
Really interesting! Funny how trying to be extra cautious made them easier to spot. So I guess it's safer to use phones to communicate to a variety of people, making it not only harder to spot them using such obvious metadata patterns, but also giving some amount of deniability should it still happen ("I didn't know that ten of my hundred contacts were spies"). Also good to see that there are european countries who try to get to the bottom of such incidents and aren't shy of disclosing what they find. It feels terrible to hear about people abducted in your own free democratic country by foreign secret services. Even if they might be bad people. Fair trial should apply to everybody, no matter where they live or were born.
@AmxDude19695 років тому
Very well said my friend
@mikemcdonald51474 роки тому
yep called being he grey man. Blend in. You don't want to stand out. By making lots of calls to various places and people you blend in more with the rest of the sheeple.
@JasperJanssen4 роки тому
Richard Driskill innocent until... someone says you’re not? Is that really the standard you want to apply to yourself, as well?
@JoshSweetvale4 роки тому
@@JasperJanssen Ah but he's *special.* He's a badass. He uses allcaps.
@Mr33445554 роки тому
Fair trials apply to those who act fairly, when you're caught by one of them see if they treat you fairly. My father was a commissioner for a task force, in my country he was getting my glasses as a child and ended being pursuit by a bad guy. I was a kid who didn't do anything. People like that don't know right from wrong and shouldn't be given a choice, because if it is, it's gonna be one that involves you being lifeless or held captive. I 100% support what our governments are doing. Just because you don't care enough the delve to understand what's happening doesn't mean it's wrong, it's just ignorance on your end.
@RaidsEpicly4 роки тому
This randomly popped up in my recommended videos (I've never watched any hacker/cybersecurity content on youtube before) and I'm absolutely convinced it's because I just watched a retrospective on Robin Thicke that discussed his disastrous performance with miley cyrus at the mtv music awards in...2013. Bow down to the algorithm!
@rodchavoya4 роки тому
I watched the Robin Thicke Train Wrecks by Todd in the Shadows
@ddawn234 роки тому
@@rodchavoya Me too!
@theverdantwolf54024 роки тому
So that's why...
@mikewatte44784 роки тому
The think you are jason bourn
@pmz5584 роки тому
@@dzidmail news makes use of that
@Bm23CC5 років тому
The hunter becomes the hunted.
@serena_m_4 роки тому
4:23 "a loaf of bread was walking down the street"
@UnknownSend3r4 роки тому
I was thinking that oft mentioned loaf of bread was gonna somehow become a bigger part of the story, like we find out that that was in fact a Russian KGB agent disguised as a loaf of bread, but alas it was just a normal loaf of bread.
@acme644 роки тому
@@UnknownSend3r was it though?
@patrickcameron29504 роки тому
Great talk. This guy works for The Intercept now which seems like a good fit.
@user-ff8ww8bq9q4 роки тому
Patrick Cameron The Intercept`s key funder is the owner of PayPal...They do some good work, they also have some pretty horrible output and people working there.
@autohmae4 роки тому
@@user-ff8ww8bq9q Maybe the reason why it was mentioned a good fit was the name: the intercept ? :-)
@WackoMcGoose4 роки тому
...Dude put his phone in a literal bag of Doritos. You could write that in a spy novel, and people would call bullshit. I guess reality IS stupider than fiction!
@adriatical90162 роки тому
And here I thought becoming a CIA agent required an immense level of intellect...
@norwegiangangstaРік тому
@@adriatical9016 You don't need to be intellectual if you don't have to fear from any type of consequences.
@adriatical9016Рік тому
@@norwegiangangsta or people that really just have nothing to lose perhaps
@butmunchassРік тому
@@norwegiangangsta You're right. The US has so much power over NATO countries that countries such as Italy are complete vassals. In fact it's ridiculous for Italy to not surveil terrorists but to harass US intel for having to watch EU people itself.
@cathalomurchu9909Рік тому
Who did their homework?
@norwegiangangstaРік тому
fwd2.0
@L0j1k4 роки тому
"If any of you are compelled to go find George Purvis in Northern Virginia, I do not recommend knocking on his door. He does not take to it very well. He's a little sensitive about being exposed." That's how you know you're listening to a talk at "Black Hat" LOL. All those fucking corporate poseurs and feds sweating a tense butt stain in their chairs through their slacks.
@moofymoo5 років тому
that ending tho - please remember to swipe (to leave metadata)
@ClosedEyeVisualisations4 роки тому
to you mind explaining that to me a little? What is swiping? I dont have a phone anymore, i havent had one since flip phones. Do you mean swiping at all on the screen leaves the data?
@JohnSmith-ox3gy4 роки тому
John Smith was here.
@noahhastings61454 роки тому
That loaf of bread having legs and eyes and being able to use them is the most terrifying part of this story
@TheSuperCommentGuyРік тому
Gotta love syntactic ambiguity!
@donarnold82685 років тому
Thank you!
@TheTRURUDBOI9 років тому
Yep, sounds bout right.
@fritsonpetitfrere90384 роки тому
Harvall, is that a Brad thor reference to Scot Harvath?
@mikhailzaruykin6634 роки тому
This is hella spicy
@necksugar4 роки тому
Why were they not looking for Mossad?
@N99622Рік тому
Gee, I wonder... Maybe it's because the CIA is Mossad's mistress
@soapbar884 роки тому
DORITOS BAG LMFAO
@Klayperson4 роки тому
that guy must have watched Enemy of the State (1998) and took it too seriously lmao
@BGroothedde4 роки тому
That's an amazing story!
@eplus341Місяць тому
Imagine how AI can handle YOUR metadata and find everything about you without having to listen to your conversations and without technically having to break the law... the same effect for you as if it was breaking the law. The future of mankind lies within knowing what you are fighting for but not what you are fighting AGAINST. This is both terrifying and in a way optimistic.
@clintgossett18794 роки тому
Amazing talk
@justaddjeff19883 роки тому
This is very interesting. I have various systems send me email alerts. There simple alerts about computers rebooting, secure room door access, firewall violations. I get a very good picture passed on a few emails.
@swine133 роки тому
What programs/set-up do you use for these incoming notifications? Id like to set up a system for a similar sort of thing - to collate several bits of unrelated data in an easily readable format that gives live updates
@hz10563 роки тому
Interested in this if you can expand a bit more.
@Sqwaush4 роки тому
actually starts at 1:37
@kekistanimememan1702 роки тому
Monika courty alia Sounds a lot like Moniker Courrier alias. And that’s funny to me.
@zerobyter4 роки тому
Why do spies use phones at all in the first place? Wouldn't handheld encrypted radios be better? I guess the location could still be triangulated but it would be harder.
@nicolaspeigne14294 роки тому
I guess getting caught with encrypted radios is a give away that you are a spy, everyone has a cellphone.
@zerobyter4 роки тому
@@nicolaspeigne1429 well, let's hope the spies dont get caught :P
@derfunkhaus5 років тому
I am surprised that the CIA, being as well funded as it is, even uses regular phones that work on commercial cell grids at all. I would might've guessed that they had custom-engineered phones working on surreptitious networks run out of the embassy or something like that, something completely invisible to the regular cell towers. Maybe this episode has led to such a system now. (?)
@doom82745 років тому
you would be amazed at how shitty government equipment is even for three letter agencies. not specific toys you see on history channel or from research labs they fund or experimental stuff, just the average tools to get the job done. You'd balk at the amount of trust placed in WhatsApp overseas.
@theprogram8634 роки тому
Remember, they're a government agency. Lots of money != lots of effectiveness. Also, it makes a certain amount of sense. The moment you try using your own funky radio network, you're radiating strange signals that counterintelligence and law enforcement will pick up. It will immediately pique their curiosity. And we're not just talking about the Italians, but any organization that has enough of a physical presence to be able to monitor wireless frequencies and report on them to HQ. The Russians are famous for having their embassies bristle with antenna farms, for example, and that's not even counting satellite monitoring. So you try to piggyback on the local cell phone network so you can get lost in the traffic. That works... right up until someone is able to untangle the spaghetti and identify weird usage patterns. (BTW the same applies to countries that have camera networks used by law enforcement. You can track license plates and even potentially faces and get a good idea of where people are going... then use that to sort out weird movement patterns. Financial analysts have used this to catch money laundering operations for years.) This is a story of how bureaucratic inertia on the operations side lead people to use tactics that were once fine but now make them obvious targets. Also probably overconfidence because despite the Achille Lauro incident, Italy is still seen as a "friendly" country that wouldn't interfere in a counter-terrorism operation. The worst part of all this is that you don't just analyze today's intelligence take. The idea is that you archive all the metadata you collect. When you develop a new method for detecting criminals and/or foreign agents, you use that technique retroactively on the archive as well. So even if the intelligence officers are informed about the new technique before it is used, they are still vulnerable to their past behavior being detected. So if your archival search pings on a potential enemy spy / terrorist / criminal in the past, you can start watching them in the present (and everyone they've ever had contact with).
@pilotavery4 роки тому
WhatsApp with end to end encryption mode is used often by the CIA.
@greasyfingers92504 роки тому
I hope they keep using consumer grade software/hardware because they'll overall improve the security for everyone. Sure, backdoors will be added, but they'll be added regardless.
@shustyrackleford_7104 роки тому
@@pilotavery signal muxh safer
@tedmosby94094 роки тому
so whats happning 6 year down the line
@CBielski874 роки тому
@jay fuckin thanks god, i was really worried for a min
@timeWaster764 роки тому
This was a joint operation by the United States' Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and the Italian Military Intelligence and Security Service (SISMI) And indeed some involved have service prison time for their actions.
@user-pm8je4fo7e11 місяців тому
I wonder if anybody ever told such a story on tracking wifi metadata, because it's still a goldmine and is available not only to police but basically to anyone with a budget for a medium antenna array.
@thekaiser43334 роки тому
In international law, there is no such thing as extraordinary rendition. It is kidnapping and abduction, a serious felony, plain and simple. And unlike in the USA, kidnappers are prosecuted here in Europe.
@GabrielM014 роки тому
thats espionage, other countrys do that, not only US
@thekaiser43334 роки тому
@@GabrielM01 - Ach really? When did the German BND last kidnap people? Hm?
@GabrielM014 роки тому
@@thekaiser4333 when its done right no one know, you dint saw that happen, exactly you didnt saw, doesnt mean it dont happened
@thekaiser43334 роки тому
@@GabrielM01 - Not an argument. This is about facts not about belief. If you believe go to church, not to youtube. PS: "Espionage" is about collecting information, not about collecting people.
@GabrielM014 роки тому
@UCRaT9zZjqZ8AJpUHKk8NQEA collecting people can lead to collect information btw, iam not saying its right, but thats what it is
@ernststavroblofeld19619 років тому
Hilarious!
@MrEndzoРік тому
RIP book
@ChronicNewb2 роки тому
oh how the turntables.
@deejay94744 роки тому
Didn't know very much in 2003? Wet nose for you. Same question.
@tedmosby94094 роки тому
wow just think of the slip ups prior to this
@dezent4 роки тому
Is he burping nonstop or what is he up to?
@SinSynn4 роки тому
I think he's just really nervous, and maybe has some sort of phobia about speaking in front if a crowd. He's making me nervous just watching him.
@dezent4 роки тому
Lee Debo you are probably right. It is a really entertaining and informative and if he can do a good speech like this he has no reason to be nervous.
@NIGHTSTALKER00694 роки тому
Why not sat phones?
@an1skh4n4 роки тому
Fam at this point had they used even rotary phones from the 50's they'd have been better off. For an organization that has access to military frequencies, the capability to setup their own transmission equipment... This is a really messed up operation. They used their real names? They registered sims to the organization? Seems like a case of years of not much going wrong and getting lazy about opsec. Maybe having opsec teams that regularly audit ops and monitor practices in the field could reduce the risks of field supervisors playing fast and loose like this. Jeez. Humiliation city.
@Jixejo5 років тому
spies, hackers, government, individuals, or whatever, what is important is that we stay friends, and protect each other :) thanks
@MrRand0mGamer7 років тому
Anybody find this from a Udemy course?
@rf2632_7 років тому
Me :D
@MrRand0mGamer7 років тому
That's what's up. Did you decide to purchase it?
@rf2632_7 років тому
Yes I did, no regrets, its an amazing lesson!
@MrRand0mGamer7 років тому
I didn't get it this time unfortunately but the next. I will just wishlist it for now since I bought other courses. It's more security and I took some ethical hacking courses that do teach that as well and I think that is fine for now until maybe next year.
@JoseGrifol5 років тому
Me too
@raidenpz4 роки тому
And i thought an organisation like the CIA can just call the Italian inteligence agency and just tell them - We need this guy, grab his ass and fly him to DC asap. I mean those are 2 allied countries, are they not?
@JasperJanssen4 роки тому
Not *that* allied. Italy isn’t one of the Five Eyes.
@ac47404 роки тому
europeans have a history of letting terrorists escape when they're allowed to do things their own way
@user-ck7sf2xc6c4 роки тому
In Europe they actually realise that kidnapping and torturing people over mere suspicions is wrong
@terryevans19764 роки тому
Read the history of the Achille Lauro and what the Italians and Egyptians did to aid the terrorists escape.
@ac47404 роки тому
@@user-ck7sf2xc6c nope, they let terrorists escape, on purpose, because they don't care, and they don't mind that terrorists use their countries as safehouses, so long as they don't attack their own country.
@SinSynn4 роки тому
Really interesting presentation but damn this poor guy seems so incredibly nervous, like maybe he has a phobia about public speaking or something.
@triggerhappyasian4 роки тому
There have been a lot worse at these Black Hat and Defcon things. I thought he did pretty well tbh
@shustyrackleford_7104 роки тому
I think he did great. Hes a news journalist not a 'hacker' hes gonna be a bit nervous, not to mention the subject matter
@decimalexercise71544 роки тому
Jeez. Overcritical much ?😂
@an1skh4n4 роки тому
Yeah why would he be nervous disclosing a failed operation by the CIA and naming names at a hacker conference after having his book banned?
@yomomsfgt99784 роки тому
How tf do you get caught by using a cellphone? Just send letters via mail lmfaooo
@absurdengineering11 місяців тому
Same problem. Mail is scanned. Literally, most mail in the developed world goes through high volume scanners so there are images of the physical letters and packages traversing the system. It’s not even any sort of a secret. USPS and I’m sure other postal agencies will helpfully email you a daily digest of medial coming to your mailbox, with scans of the face of every thin piece of mail heading your way. So again there’s metadata and if you don’t want to stick out like a sore thumb you better had lots of penpals. The “clean phones” idea was stupid. The cleanest phone is one that calls most like any other random phone. Last thing you want is few calls to few numbers at narrow time slots.
@quadrupledamage6 місяців тому
Yeah, and have them intercepted by the postal office. I punch those numbers into Analyst's Notebook, it makes a happy face.
@samwansitdabet66304 роки тому
found the fed
@first-thoughtgiver-of-will2456Рік тому
15:45 fake news those are corn chips illuminati confirmed.
@AdrianDucao4 роки тому
I did tried knocking on George Pervus door in california, he answered the door; George: "who are you?" Me: "CIA says hello" then walked out of there as fast as i can.
@twizz4204 роки тому
This guy swallowing after every sentence makes watching this a chore.
@alexn786664 роки тому
omg, came here looking for someone else who noticed. a 4yr old video and this within 30 mins. it's really unfortunate, i'd like to hear the story but all I see/hear is him swallowing jawbreakers or something
@ryanpeck33774 роки тому
That and him saying “ah” and “um” every 3 words is insufferable.
@L0j1k4 роки тому
Outing the CIA on stage has that effect on people, I guess.
@JasperJanssen4 роки тому
Alexey Penniez people are humans, how surprising.
@alexn786664 роки тому
@@JasperJanssen you're right. people are imperfect and should never work to improve themselves, for example working on public speaking knowing you'll be presenting at a major conference.
@Dread_Pirate_Roberts_20134 місяці тому
Very current presentation, yet it is 10 year old
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@welder774 роки тому
OI Croatia isnt a 3rd world country!
@h2flow14 роки тому
He said 3rd country not 3rd world.
@welder774 роки тому
@@h2flow1 ah, yeah. Still I think its not!
@blankblank90424 роки тому
18:22 THIS GUY'S SWALLOWING HIS SPIT HABIT IS DRIVING ME FUCKING CRAZY. JUST FUCKING SPIT, WILL YA?
@davidwall77474 роки тому
We don't need to see your face/body - show the other details full screen.
@kurtlebowski53484 роки тому
take a shot each time he says "derder" 4:54 5:36 5:38 5:45 6:14 8:12 8:28 8:44 8:48 9:01 9:14 9:50 10:40 10:54 13:21 21:20 22:14 23:21 24:54
@kurtlebowski53484 роки тому
Day-tah
@UltimateMadWorld3 роки тому
It's moss code for: am bursting for the fcking toilet 😉
@foaly87 років тому
interesting story, but dude you need to stop swallowing mid-sentence...
@HarryYese5 років тому
First time speaker not used to shots maybe?
@imouse32464 роки тому
I was waiting for him to throw-up.
@pilotavery4 роки тому
He puffed the devil's lettuce an hour before so I suspect he had cotton mouth.
@dewille-pl5 років тому
Croatia the 3rd country? The 3rd world country? Is this guy serious?
@MoonfireSeco5 років тому
He said third-party, not third-world.
@4nd3rzzon4 роки тому
Yeah Croatia is a second world country
@thekaiser43339 років тому
WTF! Why is he not telling their real names?!
@CGoody5647 років тому
The Kaiser why would he?
@thekaiser43337 років тому
Cory Goodman It is very impolite to answer a question with a counter question. You should be ashamed of yourself.
@CGoody5647 років тому
The Kaiser it's a logical follow up. my little finger twas' raised whilst asking. i believe that alone is a magnitude more politeness than required.
@thekaiser43337 років тому
Cory Goodman Fiddlesticks!
@jojolafrite905 років тому
How is that "black hat"? They only talk about ethically OK things.
@L0j1k4 роки тому
If you think this conference is about anything that isn't ethically OK, I've got some bad news for you, bro.
@ibrahimaltaha31864 роки тому
2003 there are no cellphone towers in iraq! ..... this is fake story
@norwegiangangstaРік тому
lol
@SpyridonBoukouris3 роки тому
Aint no body watch this!
@flavourlessjosephus29106 років тому
Using the term 'underground railroad' when describing the movement of jihadists is more than moderately disgusting.
@justsomenerd89254 роки тому
Fuck off. Stop being so fragile.
@scampers66094 роки тому
who cares lol
@georgewbushcenterforintell1474 роки тому
So the underground camel riders Association ucra .?
@lseul88124 роки тому
They do this type of work for a reason, and good reason. There names and photos should not have been disclosed by any means
@364245672544 роки тому
Right. I'm sure you'd think the same if we Italians were to run a covert op kidnapping people in USA without any notice let alone approval of said country.
@krakenmetzger4 роки тому
@@36424567254 you do, it's called the mafia
@364245672544 роки тому
@@krakenmetzger so the mafia isn't a for-profit criminal organization, it actually works for the italian secret service, and most importantly, they're good guys. Great, thanks for opening my eyes.