Bradley or Marder combat vehicle: which is better for Ukraine?
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День томуThis video compares the two of the most prominent IFVs sent to Ukraine. The US made Bradley and the German made Marder IFVs. How might they be used in Ukraine? And which one might be a better fit for Ukraine's military?
0:00 - Introduction and numbers
0:47 - Crew training
1:50 - Basic data
2:46 - Bradley's guns
3:58 - Marder's guns
4:20 - Penetration and stabilization comparison
5:10 - Rounds carried
5:45 - Bradley's missiles and its usage (TOW)
7:17 - Marder's missiles and its usage (Milan)
7:57 - Marder variant and current service
8:23 - Missile diameter
8:43 - Bradley variant
8:56 - Bradley's thermal sight
9:28 - Marder's thermal sight
9:51 - Number of Bradleys in use
10:17 - Other equipment inside vehicles
10:52 - Troops carried
11:47 - Dimensions
12:38 - Armor
13:42 - Water crossing and mobility
14:30 - Conclusion
16:52 - Outro
Music by Matija Malatestinic www.malatestinic.com
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@Binkov Рік тому
We didn't forgot CV-90 (we even showed some CV90 footage in the previous video), but with so much equipment pledged to Ukraine in the past weeks, and with our tight production schedule which usually requires weeks of planning in advance there was simply no time to tackle the CV90 topic. We do agree that CV90 is a very fine vehicle.
@michaelm1589 Рік тому
Also potentially a large number of Leopard 1s coming soon. It must be hard for you to keep track. I would like my government to handover a shipment of ASLAVs since we are starting to replace them. Not comparable to a modern IFV but would surely help Ukraine and same 25mm gun as the Bradley. Who knows what other pledges will come out of the meeting in Brussels today.
@TheHunch8ack Рік тому
All this varied kit is a logistical nightmare, though, isn't it? Quite apart from making things tricky for Ukraine when its' back's against the wall, it's also perhaps giving NATO a nudge about the need for greater standardisation internally. It's all very well having half a dozen different kinds of MBT when you're not at war and just using your military-industrial complex for economic and export reasons . . . but maybe not when you've got to fight someone. Trouble is, we've all seen how badly managed development programmes are even within a country (cough Ajax cough cough), let alone across many. And the US would have to get over itself in terms of its 'Not Made Here' mentality. Maybe we should just let Sweden run the show. They seem to have the best track record of actually building stuff that works and within a reasonable budget. I just fear that politicians still aren't getting it, though. How many times do the words 'most' and 'inoperable' have to pop up in headlines (alongside 'late 2023 or 2024' delivery dates to Ukraine) before the penny drops about what might happen if China does decide to get jiggy? And why on earth didn't they start sorting this out when Ukraine was invaded a *year ago*, if only for their own security (quite apart from how it would have speeded up delivery to Ukraine now). Dear oh dear. In other news, though . . . love your site! 😆
@Grendelmk1 Рік тому
@@TheHunch8ack "varied kit" is basically NATO all day every day. That's the whole point, they've been doing "varied kit" for about 60 years. There's even jokes about a NATO standard cup of coffee. 2 sugar, 1 cream. The gun might look different, but all the guns use the same ammo.
@TheHunch8ack Рік тому
@@Grendelmk1 Hi Gendel. I know - and I like the way competition/variety can drive things - but just think of the simplified logistics (just in terms of spares!) were everyone using one MBT and one IFV etc. Or even just two! And although the 105/120mm ammo's generally okay (bar us Brits till we go smoothbore and some of the French 'quirks') there's still a plethora of 20-40mm stuff going on. And missiles in all their various modes. Quite apart from the possible small-arms change heading over the pond if the US does go SIG. Should be interesting, eh 😆?
@bbbb8301 Рік тому
YOU HAVE TO BE MENTALLY SICK TO BE IN SUPPORT OF WAR NO MATTER WHAT THE CAUSE F**KING NEGOTIATE SO WE ALL CAN LIVE IN PEACE Send all the Leopards and Abram tanks to Ukraine I am sure that Russia will for ever grateful to get to see the technology that these tanks are using.
@JF-xq6fr Рік тому
I'm a former 11M Army Officer (Bradley M2A2), and you did a good job with this video.
@bbbb8301 Рік тому
Eu is saying that Russia must be held accountable yes and so should the Eu instead of blaming each other Fuc*king negotiate
@dado-7775 Рік тому
It is very nice to witness living member of that moving coffin. I guess you weren't participating in a battle.
@bbbb8301 Рік тому
@@dado-7775 It is time and stop the propaganda on both sides and start negotiate ! All u insane A**H*les that say keep on and fight untill you are winning, have surely not bin in a war and seen there comrades blow to bits and the one that have bin in a war and are suffering unfortunately from Post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) sometimes known as shell shock or combat stress and support this war we can forgive those poor souls.
@Cptnbond Рік тому
The coming shipment of about 50-ish Swedish CV9040 makes more sense., It's the most modern and with 40mm auto canon, it will be lethal in the hands of the IFV crew.
@mwtrolle Рік тому
and can be modified to use 105mm gun or automated mortar. hope Ukraine will get some of those modifications.
@bbbb8301 Рік тому
Eu is saying that Russia must be held accountable yes and so should the Eu instead of blaming each other Fuc*king negotiate
@gamingrex2930 Рік тому
CV90 and archer, holy shit the swedes are giving most of the good stuff
@mwtrolle Рік тому
@@gamingrex2930 yup
@StarstuffHige Рік тому
This may have been said before, but actually at least 60 of the Bradleys are the M2A2 ODS-SA which is a very new modernization of the ODS, there was a very public show of them getting on a ship.
@huntergatherer7796 Рік тому
It's from the early 2000s. It's an old version.
@riebenzahl-524 Рік тому
Even the russians need to use more and more of the older bmp 1s and older versions of bmp2. So even older western IFVs are much better than no IFVs at all.
@Greg_Andrews Рік тому
200IQ! Good point.
@bbbb8301 Рік тому
Eu is saying that Russia must be held accountable yes and so should the Eu instead of blaming each other Fuc*king negotiate
@termitreter6545 Рік тому
Those IFVs arent even old compared to what most coutnries use, especially in upgraded form. Like, how many countries have IFVs that are as well protected as a Marder, or with the firepower and sensors of a Bradley? Besides maybe the CV90, the next generation of IFVs is still in its first production runs, with Lynx, Puma, Boxer, K2, K8o8, Ajax, and so on. Russia doesnt even have an equa, their T15 seems to be a paper tank, and the BMP3 is still a soviet design with very questionable protection. And now, Russia is actually developing backwards in time, were seeing more and more BMP1 these days. IIRC most of the BMPs are vulnerable to some heavy MGs, let alone autocannons.
@bbbb8301 Рік тому
@@termitreter6545 It is time and stop the propaganda on both sides and start negotiate ! All u insane A**H*les that say keep on and fight untill you are winning, have surely not bin in a war and seen there comrades blow to bits and the one that have bin in a war and are suffering unfortunately from Post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) sometimes known as shell shock or combat stress and support this war we can forgive those poor souls.
@termitreter6545 Рік тому
@@bbbb8301 See, the thing you dont understand is that it doesnt matter what I think. The Ukrainians are the ones that want to fight and not be taken over by Russia. They hate Russia more than anything after all of that death and destruction. Why would any country want to be part of the shitshow that is russia? And Russia is the country that could end all of this just fucking off out of Ukraine. Just by not stealing their lands, not enslaving the Ukrainian population, not trying to erase their langauges by removing all non-russians signs... Its really not that hard to understand. As long as you can admit that Ukrainians are thinking, human beings with their own will. Which some people apparently cant.
@AJ-tr5ml Рік тому
If Binkov taxed copium his comment section would make him richer than bezos in a year
@123asap6 Рік тому
Literally everyone says he is some propaganda but when I compare his analysis vids to other channels he is actually not pushing any bias
@robertwilson214 Рік тому
How do you cope with one sided hypocrisy?
@CyberBot17 Рік тому
@@robertwilson214 read the comment above yours buddy
@gmrobert6262 Рік тому
I want some copium. 😞
@Squee7e Рік тому
@@gmrobert6262 just scroll down the comment section. You can literally collect thousands of units of copium down there ✌️
@delmarlewis8897 Рік тому
Binkov you forgot one Sweden is sending 50 CV90 also it all adds up a very impressive list of IFV's
@2.Cuzzzz Рік тому
they always forget about that, it's like we don't exist
@mwtrolle Рік тому
@@2.Cuzzzz lets hope Sweden decides Ukrane could use some of the modifications such as the automated mortar.
@petter5721 Рік тому
CV90-C en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_Vehicle_90
@2.Cuzzzz Рік тому
@@petter5721 vänta nu, skickar vi CV90C och inte CV90B?? Vi har ju bara 43 CV90C.
@bbbb8301 Рік тому
@@mwtrolle It is time and stop the propaganda on both sides and start negotiate ! All u insane A**H*les that say keep on and fight untill you are winning, have surely not bin in a war and seen there comrades blow to bits and the one that have bin in a war and are suffering unfortunately from Post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) sometimes known as shell shock or combat stress and support this war we can forgive those poor souls.
@viktorfalk1988 Рік тому
They are also getting about 40 CV90 from Sweden 🇸🇪 edit: apparently around 50
@mwtrolle Рік тому
yes, hope they will send some of the upgrades as well. Such as the 105mm turrets and automated mortars
@petter5721 Рік тому
CV90-C probably, including the ARV90-C.
@bbbb8301 Рік тому
@@mwtrolle It is time and stop the propaganda on both sides and start negotiate ! All u insane A**H*les that say keep on and fight untill you are winning, have surely not bin in a war and seen there comrades blow to bits and the one that have bin in a war and are suffering unfortunately from Post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) sometimes known as shell shock or combat stress and support this war we can forgive those poor souls.
@maniac7979 Місяць тому
Да спасибо наши НИИ уже получили их
@BillyWitchDoctorDotCom Рік тому
My dad was an engineer at General Dynamics during the development of the Bradley, so we're a Bradley Household.
@robertwilson214 Рік тому
May as well brag about being a Jeffrey Epstein household.
@erikmartin4996 Рік тому
My condolences
@dfmrcv862 Рік тому
@@erikmartin4996 reformer spotted. Lethal force engaged.
@SpaalKodaav Рік тому
Shake his hand for me. 50 some odd years later and it's off to do the very job it was designed for. Plastering ruZZians all over the battlefield
@dmacpher Рік тому
The vehicle you have is always better than the one you don’t 😂
@unknown9126 Рік тому
Damn, lots of bots and trolls in here. Great video, keep it up Binkov
@timbrwolf1121 Рік тому
The fact that the TOW is command guided is actually one of its greatest advantages as well. Unless you can hide yourself from the gunner or take them out or hard kill the missile. It will hit you. You can not jam it. You can not run from it. The TOW will get you
@warfarenotwarfair5655 Рік тому
No need for TOW when the javelin exists. Obsolete technology
@RyuzoSan19 Рік тому
@@warfarenotwarfair5655 Yes but as said by OP, it would be more difficult to disable or jam MCLOS Missiles (Like the TOW) rather than the newer SACLOS Javelins or NLAWs. Ofcourse, Im not saying that the Javelin and NLAW is useless, ATGMs in general are effective nontheless.
@therealavenger3537 Рік тому
@@warfarenotwarfair5655 not every position has a javelin squad.
@jantjarks7946 Рік тому
TOW is as obsolete as everything up to T-80 and its variants. Even the T-90 will not get away. 🤺🤷😉
@timbrwolf1121 Рік тому
@@jantjarks7946 wrong person lol
@djvertigo72 Рік тому
I was a 19D Cav Scout gunner on a Bradly a lesser version than the ODS that Ukraine is getting and the optics are pretty good the FLIR is actually pretty clear I could clearly distinguish people and tell who was who at 300m and with white hot / black hot targets at range. The ODS model is supposed to have a better version sight than what I had. Plus a lot more upgrades. shit I didn't even have a laser range finder I had to use mark one eyeballs and work it out in my head. frontal of Bradly can stop 30mm . The height is not the issue people make it out to be. use it properly 1 or 2 t-72s or equivalent MBT with 3 Bradly, 2 MRAPS with M2 BMG on top and 2 striker with MK19 trailing behind and to the flanks with dismounted troops behind and to sides of tank and IFVS. Along with drones being operated from m113s further behind providing aerial scouting and perhaps a few m113s converted to carry 120mm tube mortars and or 80mm mortars. for close range and immediate fire support have 3 towed 105mm howitzers with a direct line to each PL/PS or have a FO direct them. use that as a combined platoon scout section and scale up the number of platoons depending on mission and maneuver area that can accommodate. Of course long range 155 SPG for fire support. If I was asked to create a unit with what equipment they are/have getting. That is how I would do it.
@alexsmart5452 Рік тому
Yea, if Ukrainians can get this equipment and can learn to properly use it the way it was designed and within doctrine, they will be lethal. We had the M114 and used M113s as armored Calvary(40th ID Cal NG) as well, so your Bradley was our wet dream. We started getting them when I was finishing up my time and put on IRR(Right as Desert Storm started).
@GM-fh5jp Рік тому
Excellent post by someone with actual experience
@Dirty_Dumb_NAFO_Scum Рік тому
That's a lot of implication that any of that support might happen, when the reality is that level of coordination won't happen for the UAF at all. These guys are getting a max of 22 weeks of training, and the average lifespan of an inexperienced UAF soldier in Bakhmut is 4 hours. I don't know if you know this but Russia now has man portable radio/sattelite/wireless transmission detectors that work out to a radius of 12km with a margin of accuracy of 50m, that's more than enough time/space to ensure the destruction or forced route of any mechanized infantry or artillery regardless of whether there's any pinpoint accuracy. It ensures artillery can force a directional change of any UAF advance, it gives enough warning for infantry to ready themselves to ambush any UAF mechanized infantry. Bradleys are going to be coffins for UAF fighters as will Abrams and Leopards and Marders. The coordination you're describing isn't there, there's video of a BMP-T wiping an entire mech infantry squad with a single tank.
@SuperHero-dq4jc Рік тому
@@Dirty_Dumb_NAFO_Scum Funny...with all that, you haven't taken Bakhmut since July. Losing 1000 soldiers per day too. It seems like logic and intelligence would keep you from using words like "a coffin". But I forgot, you are Ruskie.
@enclavesoldier769 Рік тому
The M2A2 Bradley’s armor protects against 30mm, not 14.5mm.
@huntergatherer7796 Рік тому
Only in the front..side and rear no
@kerryzhuo5693 Рік тому
Front arc can take 30mm, sides and rear can take 14.5mm, roofs have titanium armor on the M2A2ODS-SA which is the variant Ukraine is getting so decent protection from artillery, only weakness is weak floor armor (though, considering how AT mines usually detonate on tracks and that a V-shape or significantly thicker armor would increase weight and height a lot, this is probably a good trade-off. Just don't use them in a COIN/counterterror environment).
@Greg_Andrews Рік тому
Personally, I LOVE this channel and others like it, but they do get a few details wrong once in a while, that's okay. (IMO)
@Dirty_Dumb_NAFO_Scum Рік тому
The TOW mount on the top still explodes and results in catastrophic problems for the crew regardless, and that's what non ATGM fire is going to go for if it's there. All this equipment is going to do nothing for Ukraine, everyone dickriding NATO at present is going to be like "WHUH HAPPUN" by August, when the first few shipments of western vehicles end up smoking wrecks because there are intrinsic problems with Ukrainian battle strategy. The "thunder runs" were nothing but Ukraine taking advantage of Russia fighting with one hand behind it's back so to speak. Even if Ukraine gets eurofighters, it'll do nothing at this point. It's cheaper to shoot down/blow up these assets for Russia than it is to match it force for force, and once Russia has the territory it desires, it's not letting it go regardless of what military assets are appointed to Ukraine from NATO.
@stevenrodriguez763 Рік тому
@@Dirty_Dumb_NAFO_Scum you play too much war-thunder bud.
@AirAssault7 Рік тому
Awesome video, it was very informational and I enjoyed the illustrations as well as footage included.
@bbbb8301 Рік тому
It is time and stop the propaganda on both sides and start negotiate ! All u insane A**H*les that say keep on and fight untill you are winning, have surely not bin in a war and seen there comrades blow to bits and the one that have bin in a war and are suffering unfortunately from Post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) sometimes known as shell shock or combat stress and support this war we can forgive those poor souls.
@JBBooks-rl3ec Рік тому
Always good information and content, thank you!
@thomasbernecky2078 Рік тому
I bet all of the soldiers in Ukraine's army, will be very happy with almost any IFVs, even if older Bradley's and Marders, going up against older BMP-1's and 2s. We in the US have 2800 in storage now. I bet the 700,000 Ukrainian soldiers will be even happier if we send them 1000 more (30+ year old) Bradleys and 300 older Abrams, all of Poland's PT-91's and newer Leopards? (Thanks Perun).
@aleksandarmarinkovic6986 Рік тому
What soldiers and army?! More then 200k Ukrainian soldiers are dead, wounded much much more. They are recruting women, minors and older citisens.
@marsdriver2501 Рік тому
@@aleksandarmarinkovic6986 I am currently recruiting your mom
@naitnait00 Рік тому
@@aleksandarmarinkovic6986 Wouldn't you expect Russians to advance faster if the Ukrainian army didn't exist?
@huntergatherer7796 Рік тому
@@naitnait00 Russians are methodically destroying the Ukrainian military. Grinding them down into dust. That's why they are taking so long. They let the artillery do all the work.
@naitnait00 Рік тому
@@huntergatherer7796 What Ukrainian army?
@bungalowjuice7225 Рік тому
Sweden is like a stealth country. Never mentioned in videos like these.
@benahaus Рік тому
I like their fish.
@Ideo7Z Рік тому
Their women are hot.
@TheBooban Рік тому
@@Ideo7Z they come from Somalia, you can there and find more.
@MatzeMB85 Рік тому
A pure act of selflessness can only be found in anonymity. I mean, as a Swede I 'm proud of what we send and hope it hold up well. It will be an interesting spring to be sure. But what matters is to win the war not to get youtubers to make content about our stuff.
@mwtrolle Рік тому
@@MatzeMB85 The CV90 is probably the best of it's class, and surely better than the Marders and Bradleys Ukraine are likely to get. As a Dane, I'm proud to be your neighbor. 50 CV90's is an impressive force, and I expect more will follow. Hopefully, Sweden will also send some of the modifications. For instance, the automated mortar system is absolutely awsome and would like to see what the 105mm turret version can do as well. Have you heard if Sweden is considering sending some of those upgrades?
@lordsqueak Рік тому
Never thought I would miss one word so much, really hits in the feels.
@nozhki-busha Рік тому
So many angry Z-fascists raging and smoking the copium in the comments lol Ukraine is going to counter attack in the spring/summer once these tanks arrive and retake even more lost land.
@zbocker1361 Рік тому
Please still.
@thehusketeers4319 Рік тому
Ukraine will have just pentioners by then
@termitreter6545 Рік тому
Yeah seen a bunch of channels overrun by russia or china comments and propaganda. Already spamming comments about DU ammo, which is apaprently the most recent Russian propaganda thing.
@jffdad1480gggh 7 місяців тому
Lol, how's things going 😁
@revan22 7 місяців тому
Still waiting I believe it's just going to be attrition for a big while
@jtf2dan Рік тому
ukraine troops had already been training for months on bradleys in europe. Bradley also has a record of destroying more armoured vehicles in the first iraqi war than the abrams tank......they are fast and can manoeuvre quickly to hit the side and rear armour of tanks that is thinner.
@natetaylor9002 Рік тому
Bradleys are not used to hunt tanks!
@zeck8541 Рік тому
Cite your sources for Bradleys killing more tanks in Iraq than the Abrams did. Battle of 73 Easting…Abrams did the vast majority of tank kills. By far.
@jtf2dan Рік тому
@@zeck8541 "During the Gulf War, M2 Bradleys destroyed more Iraqi armored vehicles than the M1 Abrams.[34] A few kills against Iraqi T-72 tanks at close range are reported.[35] A total of 20 Bradleys were lost-three by enemy fire and 17 due to friendly fire incidents. Another 12 were damaged. The gunner of one Bradley was killed when his vehicle was hit by Iraqi fire, possibly from an Iraqi BMP-1, during the Battle of 73 Easting.[36] To remedy some problems that were identified as contributing factors in the friendly fire incidents, infrared identification panels and other marking/identification measures were added to the Bradleys."
@musicuniversal441 Рік тому
@@zeck8541 “killed more ARMORED VEHICLES than abrams” keyword armored, being along tanks with also the AMZ Dzik infantry vehicles, the BAe Caimans, ect.
@jeffreyoneill4082 Рік тому
Thanks for the quality content
@lightbox617 Рік тому
A gun; an anti tank rocket system and decent communication functions would go far to execute fast, co ordinated maneuver warfare that is needed in this battlefield
@Soulessdeeds Рік тому
I was a Bradley mechanic for 15 yrs in the US Army. I did 3 tours in Iraq and have seen the Bradley's performance first hand. And I have worked on the ODS versions allot actually including over in Iraq. I am excited to once again see those beast go back into combat. And actually fight the enemy they were designed to fight in the first place. If I wasn't a disabled vet I would gladly go to Ukraine and help them with fixing and operating those tracks. I was damn good at that job if nothing else. Along with years of recovery experience 2 of which were battlefield experience in Iraq. My days of war are done. But I wish the Ukrainians good hunting and victory against Russia.
@EliteBadFrog Рік тому
Thanks for your service 💪
@theimmortal4718 Рік тому
I was a Bradley Gunner and BC in Iraq. They're tough bitches. Smoked the BMP, hands down
@Iwasavictimofesotericfascism Рік тому
Thank you for your service, I hope you're healing well🇺🇲
@litan1934 Рік тому
You might not be able to go over, but maybe some day they'll need you to stay home and train some Ukrainian mechanics.
@dado-7775 Рік тому
And what have you been doing in Iraq? Spreading democracy and freedom? Are you proud of participating in killing half a million of Iraqi children?
@jacquesbeliveau2716 Рік тому
Both types of vehicles are super useful.....training on these vehicles are very important.
@85daniel Рік тому
As German I would say the Bradley. The Marder is more than 20 years older than the bradley. It was one of the first well designed IFVs and works reliable. The gun and other features of the bradley are better/more modern. But the CV90 beats them booth by far
@neodym5809 Рік тому
Indeed. Due to the time difference in development, this is no real question. But the Marder is a good IFV and will improve Ukrainian capabilities.
@Knnnkncht Рік тому
@@neodym5809 alter du bist auch unter jedem Waffen für Ukraine Video
@littleletsplays6676 Рік тому
i think it is realy sad that the „hypothetical“ in the outro is now gone 😢 Slava Ukraine 🇺🇦
@deanfirnatine7814 Рік тому
What about the 50 CV-90 IFV that Sweden is sending?
@benjaminv6039 Рік тому
One of my favorite parts of Binkov's videos in 2022 onwards is the Russians in the comment sections, literally inhaling copium at an industrial scale.
@MrDmitriRavenoff Рік тому
Amazing they can breathe at all with this much copium in the air.
@bbbb8301 Рік тому
Eu is saying that Russia must be held accountable yes and so should the Eu instead of blaming each other Fuc*king negotiate
@kerdart351 Рік тому
Lmao
@bbbb8301 Рік тому
@@kerdart351 futu
@user-le1tk9kh2w Рік тому
What about the copium you westerners continue to inhale after Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan etc ;) maybe westerners should give peace a chance
@IgorBagayev Рік тому
- Which is better for Ukraine? - Give us both
@johanmetreus1268 Рік тому
In that case, have all three! Next, we'll work on scaling the shipments.
@silviu7883 Рік тому
There is also the CV 90,
@mwtrolle Рік тому
fail, that he didn't include it in this video!
@RuckFussia Рік тому
Bradley is better technologically, and is very suitable for the terrain in Ukraine. CV90 is more interesting because it's more suited for combat in dense terrain like forests and urban areas.
@mwtrolle Рік тому
yes, and then there is an automated mortar version, would love to see Sweden send a few of them as well.
@bbbb8301 Рік тому
@@mwtrolle It is time and stop the propaganda on both sides and start negotiate ! All u insane A**H*les that say keep on and fight untill you are winning, have surely not bin in a war and seen there comrades blow to bits and the one that have bin in a war and are suffering unfortunately from Post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) sometimes known as shell shock or combat stress and support this war we can forgive those poor souls.
@kentunemo5866 Рік тому
And the one with active camouflage and A.I capcity.
@randomdude8877 Рік тому
The Marder looks like the perfect vehicle to support on the flanks. The Bradley seems to be the main vehicle to support infantry pushes.
@mwtrolle Рік тому
and the CV90 is just overall a great vehicle!
@wulfleyn6498 Рік тому
I wouldn't say the Bradley is completely comparable to the BMP as it has many superior capabilities when it comes to things like, visibility, battlefield awareness, recon, armour and weaponry. Just about everytime the BMP met the Bradley, the Bradley won. Theres also crew and infantry squad comfort to take into account.
@stalkingtiger777 Рік тому
Glad you guys are growing! Keep up the good work! Soon, Binkov will have an adjutant as well.
@bbbb8301 Рік тому
It is time and stop the propaganda on both sides and start negotiate ! All u insane A**H*les that say keep on and fight untill you are winning, have surely not bin in a war and seen there comrades blow to bits and the one that have bin in a war and are suffering unfortunately from Post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) sometimes known as shell shock or combat stress and support this war we can forgive those poor souls.
@greyfox9224 Рік тому
The Bradley is better. And I say that as a German. I mean Marder came out in 1971 and Bradley in the 80´s. Bradley has a little better armor, a little more firepower and it can shot 2 rockets instead of one with one load. Sometimes I think, the Americans wanted to copy the Marder, but the developers thought, their model should be a little better in everything.
@derekmcmillian6557 Рік тому
And that's a hard thing to do. Beating the Germans in engineering anything must be applauded
@greyfox9224 Рік тому
@@derekmcmillian6557 Well, that's always a thing. The Germans invent it and the others do it better years later. Just imagine, the others develop something and the Germans do it better. What would be the result?
@rulebritannia3147 Рік тому
@@greyfox9224 The Bismarck
@greyfox9224 Рік тому
@@rulebritannia3147 yeah. The Space-Bismarck. Or how the Imperial army calls it, a Star Destroyer^^
@derekmcmillian6557 Рік тому
@@greyfox9224 nothing but the Best of the Best no doubt. Just my opinion. Some may beg to differ
@isserdigan2835 Рік тому
At this moment 60 Bradleys will be arriving in Belgium on 2/9/23. The other 50 is being prepared together with M1A2
@RottingFarmsTV Рік тому
If I am not mistaken, a shipment of Bradley’s via a ship transiting through the UK arrived in Germany this morning.
@isserdigan2835 Рік тому
@@RottingFarmsTV i thought it was Belgium
@hisredrighthand5212 Рік тому
The Marder was noted for it's strong battlefield performance and low rate of casualties while deployed in Afghanistan. The typical tactic used to make up for the lack of a stabilized gun is that with 4 Marders, there are always two advancing with dismounted troops following (or some with ATGM (1 Milan, 1 Panzerfaust-3) remaining on board, to fire from the three top hatches when needed against armoured targets that might appear on the flanks) while two stop and provide fire cover. Also, the doctrine taught in Germany include that IFVs never operate without MBTs and artillery support - normally also air support, but that might be replaced by HIMARS in Ukraine. Training in Germany is explicitly not only in operation of the vehicle, but in combined arms warfare. At least that what the general responsible for the training of Marder and Leopard 2A6 crews said in an interview. Training includes leadership training up to the brigade level.
@hisredrighthand5212 Рік тому
@@alexjoseph8363 If they have combined arms warfare down at the brigade level, so Marder advancing together with Leopard 2A6, with Panzerhaubitze 2000 in range to call in artillery and MARS II to call in the equivalent of an airstrike, I'd like to see how that fails against Russian units where artillery, armour, infantry and air force aren't connected until the General Staff level and groups of tanks or BMPs roam around isolated and uncoordinated. But I guess we'll see, Sir, General Armchair.
@roastntoast7550 Рік тому
The Bradley is made out of Aluminium....that means 1 hit 1 hole 🕳! The video also didn't mention the different Ammunitions of the 20mm Marder gun which is a big advantage on the battlefield as well!
@davidphillips8674 Рік тому
They seized a ton of land with just hmmvs. Imagine what they can do with a Bradley and a 25mm bushmaster cannon. The TOW launchers can also take out T 72s like they did in the Iraq war
@joetuktyyuktuk8635 Рік тому
I hope they get the programable airburst ammo for the Bushmaster, it would help alot with trench warfare.
@Novgorod_Republic Рік тому
BMP's have ATGM's too, you know what else they have? Being able to cross rivers, being able to carry more people, smaller silhouette, massive front armor angle and also a real gun, that can one-shot those Bradleys and Marders before they even aim with their TOW's.
@davidphillips8674 Рік тому
@@Novgorod_Republic LOL bro the BMP was designed in the 1960s. Stop simping for Russia.
@davidphillips8674 Рік тому
@@Novgorod_Republic 😂 dude the gun on a bmp can NOT one shot a Bradley. Here’s the deal: the optics and thermals on the Bradley(the ones the Russians can’t afford) can spot a bmp from 4k and move to take it out WAY before a BMP could see it.
@TheRezro Рік тому
@@Novgorod_Republic Are you stoned? You clearly never see BMP on close Yankee Tankey. Like, maye brand new fabric can swim. Maybe? Armour is paper thin, it only look strong. It is how you can put more people inside. BMP1 cannon is piece of shit, it actually is for reconciles ammunition. Like in Carl Gustav. Though yes. BMP2 has better gun, still crappy Russian ammo. TOW? Seriously? You don't even know what Kornet is? You do know that NATO also has lot of BMP's? Arent you. It is not NATO vs Warsaw Pact. It is Ukraine supported by NATO including ex-Warsaw Pact and half countries on the world, fighting with failed Bana Republic spending they Soviet Era heritage in battles over small man delusions.
@davidelliott5843 Рік тому
USA seems to be moving fast. The second shipment of Bradleys has already arrived this side of the pond.
@massengineer7582 Рік тому
With a stabilized gun for fire on the move, a couple Bradley's could advance while stationary Marders behind provided overwatch (covering fire), along with Leopard 1s. Disclaimer: my infantry tactics are minimal; but my idea is based on some army doctrine from the 80's.
@SpaalKodaav Рік тому
Think more the Brad playing spotter for their incoming MBTs and taking targets of opportunity of their own while the Marder is your front line Taxi.
@airfight10 Рік тому
wery good video answering all question in ours mind !
@Red_Four Рік тому
Bradley's base armor is aluminum, but the A2 upgrade program added 1 inch of steel armor plate to all exterior surfaces giving it protection against 30mm. ERA can be mounted to that steel armor plate giving it additional protection against shaped charge rounds and hand held anti-tank weapons like the RPG-7.
@2.Cuzzzz Рік тому
CV90: excellent Marder: capable Bradley: capable
@uranusismightybig5111 Рік тому
Exakt, strf90 är det mest intressanta fordonet att följa ur rent tekniskt perspektiv. Naturligtvis finns många fler Bradleys att tillgå vilket gör det till det mest använbara alternativet.
@thomasgade226 Рік тому
CV90 is many different versions, which cannon? 30, 35 or 40 mm ?
@uranusismightybig5111 Рік тому
@@thomasgade226 CV-90/40C i do belive....a 40mm Bofors that does some serious damage.
@MRsolidcolor Рік тому
yeah ok
@mwtrolle Рік тому
@@thomasgade226 the 40mm is what is send, but hope they also will send some of the modifications as well. The 105mm turret version is interesting but the automated mortar would be a fantastic thing for Ukraine.
@VoidRDM Рік тому
Has everyone forgotten about the CV90:s coming to Ukraine?!? Arguably better than both the Bradley and the Marder (and they will receive more CV90:s than Marders).
@timhorton698 Рік тому
Yes the CV90 is the best MICV . I don't know why they are comparing marders and bradley's. Splitting hairs
@jackmclane1826 Рік тому
Those are really quite capable vehicles...
@exo068 Рік тому
@@timhorton698 they are both closer together then the CV90 that comes from the 90s.
@josephstalin839 Рік тому
Depends how many being send? Are there 50 coming beacuse anything below 50 isn't going to make a difference.
@nicholascazmay2126 Рік тому
I didn’t think that many were going - probably why they aren’t mentioned.
@apokalipsx25 Рік тому
Bradley. USA has about 2000 of them left in the reserve. Numbers can help in this situation.
@Miami1991 Рік тому
Numbers without logistics and Trained men is just Cope Dreams Wishes and hypothetics dont take back land
@goonor Рік тому
@@Miami1991 so russia’s entire strategy? you’re really bad at propaganda buddy.
@blazingkhalif2 Рік тому
@@Miami1991 Yeah except they've already taken land back so cope harder Russian Bot
@03056932 Рік тому
@@goonor okay, defend yourself. how do you expect thousands of bradleys are going to help when ukraine is now forcefully recruiting boys, not men, to fight? you dont even have an argument. you are just on team ukraine. emotionally controlled by your programming.
@03056932 Рік тому
@@blazingkhalif2 russia tacticallly withdrew to prevent unnecessary losses. thats not hard to understand from a military pov. it is if you are simply throwing logic and data out the window to support this anti russian sentiment youve been whipped up into. can you even describe to me in a paragraph what the geopolitical history of the region is? im certain you are coming from a place of huge ignorance and emotion. feel free to video debate me if you want to be embarassed
@MrHodoAstartes Рік тому
The Marder could probably be very easily fitted for just about any missile Ukraine desires as it's just using a simple launcher mount. So they can put whatever tripod launcher on instead. Or fire a Javelin out of the back hatches.
@CMB21497 Рік тому
These systems are used along with heavy tanks and armored personnel carriers. They are made to work as a team.
@danmorgan3685 Рік тому
Yes, exactly! The Bradley isn't going to last long in an environment where it doesn't have air cover. The Bradley was one of the generation of vehicles called "The Big Five".
@cavalryscout9519 Рік тому
One thing not covered in the video is that the Bradley uses both metric and SAE hardware. That's not usually a challenge for American maintenance shops (though it can be harder to locally source things like bolts and screws), but European shops don't ordinarily have SAE tools. Other US armored vehicles are all-metric (and tend to be intentionally easy to work on as well - the M1 is probably simpler to repair than your civilian car). US trucks (including armored versions of things like the HMMWV) are all-metric for parts that thread into the engine or drive train, but tend be SAE elsewhere. That's not as big an issue though because those are problems that diesel mechanics are used to improvising or jury-rigging their way around, and they are on parts of the vehicle which don't need to be perfect. Humvees with all kinds of local modifications are very normal, and it's actually a bit abnormal for any two humvees to be exactly the same after a decade or two of use. The more US equipment a country uses, the less of an issue the differing standards would be, but when you're talking about a couple dozen vehicles which need different nuts and bolts than the ones already sitting in bins in the shops, that is an issue.
@zix_zix_zix Рік тому
Is it so hard to send spare nuts and bolts and to throw in a few wrenches too?
@djluminol Рік тому
I don't think it will be an issue. Ukraine has so many different kinds of vehicles it's pretty likely they'll have some logistic guys who's only job is tracking down parts and tools for all these different vehicles.
@pierregravel-primeau702 Рік тому
@@zix_zix_zix We don't talk about few nuts and bolt. It's evey tools in every repair shop. It will cost a lot of money but I don't think it's a problems.
@off6848 Рік тому
In a pinch you can use SAE tools on metric or other way around
@zix_zix_zix Рік тому
@@pierregravel-primeau702 Was just a figure of speech..
@REF0202 Рік тому
Great break down!
@matt9897 Рік тому
They are sending the ODS-SA variant. A few extra electronics features and better thermals.
@polygondwanaland8390 Рік тому
He also erred by saying Marder can't mount ERA. In Ukraine, everything that can mount kontakt-1 will, and everything that can't will have kontakt-1 welded to it regardless.
@user-dv7hq2rh4g Рік тому
Without having seen the video I'd say the Bradley. Mainly because of the ATGMs and the 25 mm cannon. That 20 mm the Marder has is certainly great against infantry, but the maximum effective range is significantly shorter and of course it'll have a much more difficult time dealing with armor.
@daninquin2732 Рік тому
I think the marder dont have stablizer while The Bradley does
@user-dv7hq2rh4g Рік тому
@@daninquin2732 Yea, I think you're right. That would be another significant argument for the Bradley.
@jantschierschky3461 Рік тому
Actually the 20mm has very good range, 4000m against infantry and soft skin. max range about 6000m It can engage light armour to 3000m
@mwtrolle Рік тому
the CV90 got a 40mm cannon in the version Sweden sends 50 of, but they also have a 105mm turret version and an automated mortar.
@snapdragon6601 Рік тому
After seeing that video of the Ukrainian BTR-4 hammering away on Russian forces in Mariupol with it's 30mm cannon early in the war, I have a lot more respect for IFV's. With good optics and ATGMs I think they'll make a difference for sure. 👍
@chadimirputin2282 Рік тому
Most of Ukraines home grown ifv's have been destroyed, hence why they are begging for even more western vehicles even after getting hundreds already which have also mostly been taken out.🤣
@snapdragon6601 Рік тому
@@chadimirputin2282 I don't doubt it. That's just the cost of doing business in modern high intensity combat. Armor gets destroyed and needs to be replaced.
@hellgates_javed6451 Рік тому
Ok zombie 👍
@DarBrow Рік тому
Binkov, you are the source for this type of commentary.
@CapitanGreenhat 3 місяці тому
11mo later... Bradley ifvs are eating t90s for lunch
@Valid05 Місяць тому
These bradlies got eaten by t90s and some other vehicles.
@just_a_turtle_chad Рік тому
One of the best things about Binkov's videos is the wildly toxic comment section full of Russian and Chinese trolls and the people arguing with them.
@highjumpstudios2384 Рік тому
Damn you're quick
@missk1697 Рік тому
Seeing how quickly you copy pasted this comment, you might be the bot here.
@Salty_Legionnaire Рік тому
Didn't know there are also Turtlebots
@Loubie2005 Рік тому
Lmao yeah
@davidenko2468 Рік тому
How original I have never seen this comment before
@ferallion3546 Рік тому
Any IFV’s designed to fight in the European theater will be a huge benefit as Ukrainian forces are severely lacking in mechanized maneuver assets.
@davismichaelwayne7646 Рік тому
Ukraine To Get UPGRADED Desert Storm Bradleys- M2A2-ODS SA This model is very similar to the M2A3 version of the Bradley, the main difference being the lack of the commander's independent viewer. The Situation Awareness upgrade includes several improvements over the M2A2-ODS, including the driver camera and upgraded sights.
@geodkyt Рік тому
You hit on most of the critical points. The Marder is an excellent IFV, especially in its heyday, and one id far prefer to be riding in than a BMP or BTR (even the latest versions). However... The Bradley is not only available in far larger numbers (allowing more follow on deliveries, after refurbishment), but has a far more sophisticated suite of sensors and data links. This makes the Bradley a far better force multiplier, even before you consider the fact that Bradley is superior in pretty much all the "hard" factors most amateurs and dilettantes focus on. For example, a 1990s era Bradley ODS variant, manned by an *average* US infantry unit, is still a better artillery spotter vehicle than a Russian 2020s era dedicated FO vehicle, manned by artillery specialists. A Marder simply isn't as good at that sort of thing. None of this should be surprising, given the Marder is an older design whose development informed the Bradley design team, and the Bradley is also the product of the American heavily funded R&D program of the late Cold War that was willing to beat the USSR to death with bags of cash as clubs.
@termitreter6545 Рік тому
Im surprised you dont mention armor. The Marder is much heavier armored than the Bradley. Its close to 40 ton heavy with the most modern armor upgrades, compared to the 25-30 ton Bradleys, and thats despite having less armament and a smaller turret. The way I see it, the Marder is an older vehicle, but likely better at being a heavily armored transport, while the Bradley is better as fire support and vehicle killer. But each are likely superior to BMPs. And either is great because Ukraine needs numbers of IFVs. edit: Huh, reached the point in the vid, theres a short comment on armor. I very much doubt that the Bradley has better armor protection, considering how much lighter it and heavier armed it is. Before ive always heared the opposite.
@hiigara2085 Рік тому
Weirdest thing about the pro Russian stuff in the comments is that blinkov is very medium towards Russia compared to other youtubers. Weird its blinkov they go after
@ToreDL87 Рік тому
Gotta do that purge even if it's at detriment, would be against tradition otherwise.
@scottsauritch3216 Рік тому
Bradley is M2A2 ODS-SA, with Battlefield management system and other upgrade... Also ODS upgrade included 2nd Gen Thermal for Gunner. But, still no CITV..!
@dioghaltasfoirneartach7258 Рік тому
Good report.
@exo068 Рік тому
You can mount different ATGMs on the Marder A3 it’s not limited by the Milan. They can take the TOW or MELLS but the Milan is the more traditional weapon because the infantry is also using it.
@Casseiopeia9720 Рік тому
Would like to see Israeli SPIKE ER on top of Marder the most formidable ATGM's in the world
@exo068 Рік тому
@@Casseiopeia9720 yeah but because Ukraine has a lot of TOWs they can just use that for longer ranges.
@flemminghansen6500 Рік тому
CV-90?
@Marcel_Germann Рік тому
The phase-out of the SPz Marder was postponed due to problems with the SPz Puma. On the contrary, 78 Marder 1A5 will get a new upgrade package. Including a new engine with 750 hp, new thermal sight. The engine was considered too weak now. The problem is, the Marder got improved armor over time, becoming heavier and heavier. The original Marder was able to drive 70 kph on street, now it's only 65. The concept back then was to have an IFV that is able to keep up with the speed of the MBTs. Back in 1971 that was Leopard 1 (and also some updated M48 Patton).
@brennanclarahan2288 Рік тому
i think you.forgot the bushmaster has programmable shells that can precicely explodr above trenches. The bradley is tge worlds best trench occupant anhialator.
@nocturnal0072 Рік тому
Wasn't that only in the new 35mm bushmaster?
@marius-arnoldpeper9228 Рік тому
And the PUMA can do the same thing with a 30mm canon. Russia is far behind in the technolgie department.
@biggie4310 Рік тому
You should do a video about the Swedish cv9040, out of the 3 that's the most capable one.
@mwtrolle Рік тому
Seems weird you didn’t include the Swedish CV90, Sweden is sending 50 of them to start with. But think they are better then atleast the Marder, but probably also the Bradley’s atleast if those send are not the latest model. Other nations then Sweden operates the CV90, so more could come that way, also Sweden will probably send more later on.
@rosvall216 Рік тому
1,280 units of CV90 has been built so it is not like it can't be more coming, so yeah, seems odd not to mention them as the Swedes are ramping up to send more..
@mwtrolle Рік тому
@@rosvall216 and they are ramming up production as well.
@mwtrolle Рік тому
Would love to see some of their specialized CV90 automated mortars in Ukraine.
@amns8900 Рік тому
I wouldn’t be surprised if at least a few Bradleys get converted to the light tank variant where the dismount area is converted to ammo storage. The Bradley had a better war record than the Abrams in Desert Storm. They make a pretty good scout in my experience with them many years ago.
@theimmortal4718 Рік тому
Yeah, the M3
@Au60schild Рік тому
Good job.
@christianengelhaupt183 Рік тому
What is with swedish IFV CV 90?
@miku_hoshino Рік тому
Bruh why tf there are so many russian bots, cope lords and just biased ppl here
@TheGrace020 Рік тому
If they are triggered it means they are angry cause they dont like whats being said. In that case Binkov is doing well :) Hes spittin facts.
@miku_hoshino Рік тому
@@TheGrace020 ye pretty much
@Luksky2701 Рік тому
@@miku_hoshino I do enjoy putting a bit of salt in the wound of some copelords though. And then watch the fire burn.
@jessepacheco6020 Рік тому
Mostly bots. Don't waste your time trying to argue with them...
@Luksky2701 Рік тому
@@jessepacheco6020 true true.
@lobster8009 Рік тому
Very interresting to me that even latest gen thermal sights supposedly can only detect tank like targets out to a distance of 2km. My handheld thermal spotting scope can detect a roe deer out to 1km with ease and detection range of a car i could not yet max out. Shure at these distaces i can not identify a heat signature but i certainly can detect it.
@polygondwanaland8390 Рік тому
The Bradleys being sent to Ukraine are M1A2 ODS-SA, which improves optics and has more thermals. Also, there's no such thing as missing the ability to mount ERA when welding torches and kontakt-1 exist, as demonstrated by both sides.
@RocketSailing Рік тому
CV 90 for the win. 🎂
@tobiwan001 Рік тому
Ukraine needs a lot of armored vehicles of all sorts. They operate 80 brigades and the more mechanized the better. The quantity is more important the quality. Germany just approved the sale of 180 Leopard 1A5s. They are old tanks with mediocre armor and only a 105mm gun, but they are still in service in several armies around the world and they would have no problem fighting anything Russian with the possible exception of MBTs. It's important to keep going. Russia is militarily and financially exhausting itself. They won't have a strategic victory, the sooner they lose, the better.
@Kevan808 Рік тому
Love this channel, keep up the great work!
@fredcollins8919 Рік тому
Both are great
@PeterMuskrat6968 Рік тому
The most important part of the Bradley, is the Battlefield management system. Being able to know where all of the vehicles in the company are located and being able to all see what the other Bradley’s are seeing.
@idioluh5838 Рік тому
Bradley or Marder? YES.
@pretol1 Рік тому
bradley AND marder... Where did this false dichotomoy come from?
@NaumRusomarov Рік тому
... whichever comes in sufficient numbers at the time agreed. the ua generals need to know what comes when in which numbers so they can create future plans.
@XxxXxx-fm3wo Рік тому
Long term Bradley's ODS will be the best choice likely but for now take whatever works.
@leflavius_nl5370 Рік тому
i have a funny feeling the Marder will serve like the BMP-1 does now, for transporting and aiding troops in direct combat, and the Bradleys will serve as mobile AT and sensor suites mostly.
@quangthai7258 Рік тому
@Rico Thampaty Who sell top of the line AT missile for expired MRE? And the video literally state that the M2A2 Bradley come with battle management system, digital display, and thermal AKA the sensor.
@PeterMuskrat6968 Рік тому
That’s what it was designed for lmao. With a better autocannon than BMP-2’s and a much better ATGM as well as better Thermals. It was made to be a better BMP.
@musicuniversal441 Рік тому
@@quangthai7258 the Russian bots want to feel their rubles weren’t wasted on a POS tank that couldn’t handle itself even against a lazy Molotov cocktail. Let them have their moment
@anderssvensk4317 Рік тому
I'm sorry to say it, but I think the Swedish cv9040 is the best alternative. 👍🇸🇪
@EliteBadFrog Рік тому
Haha yeah those Swedes make some mean weapons! Very impressed by their engineering.
@gilbertroberttuahuru4715 Рік тому
Both vehicles will be awesome to Ukraine, the Ukrainian soldiers are well experience to adapt to such a vehicle, thanking the West, USA, UK military, NATO, EU, for the support to Ukraine. Glorious Ukraine and her soldiers.
@Dejan878 Рік тому
Nice video
@dazknight9326 Рік тому
Both are pretty good. The Bradley can use missile pods as well, or should be able to.
@mattsmith-ri3lp Рік тому
They'll want to use them sparingly. Only getting 10 per vehicle
@grahamstrouse1165 Рік тому
Bradley’s equipped with a x2 TOW missile system with reloads.
@matthewgibbs6886 Рік тому
i used to live in a bradley without tank attack helicopter and air superiority it will fare just as well as any other vehicle.
@michaelbruce6190 Рік тому
Yup, absolutely correct! I was a 19K and without infantry and air support, you're nothing but a big target. At least the Abrams had tons and tons of armor, but not so much on a Bradley or Marder.
@ClericChris Рік тому
I don't think it really matters, both will help a bunch. The roles of each vary so the question is what will the Ukrainians need? If they are doing combined assault Bradley's will probably be better if they are doing hit and runs then the Marauder might be better. Regardless though they are both better than BMPs.
@landerviguera9575 Рік тому
Wich thermo sights uses the Ruzzian BMP-1/2/3, BTR-80, BMD´s and MT-LB´s?
@iandoodle Рік тому
Ukraine is getting m2a2, not a3 variants, atleast so far. We saw the a2's being loaded here in the states last week and they were all m2a2 ODS/SA variants upgraded during the gulf war. So for the variants they will have they wont have the racks to carry 5-tows, but they could also just toss some tows in the back if they use them in a more offensive roll.
@riverman83 Рік тому
Im suprised the Swedish CV90 isnt involved in this video. Sweden will send 50 vehicles to Ukraine, and it carries even more firepower with its 40mm gun.
@mwtrolle Рік тому
me2 yes the 40mm is impressive, but it can also be modified to use a 105mm gun turret or an automated mortar.
@reserva120 Рік тому
@@mwtrolle not a lot of them.. that's about all They'll get , an just saying it can mount a 105 means nothing without new production, not something one just whips up in the field.. they need Lots of Bradley's, more than tanks..
@riverman83 Рік тому
@@mwtrolle It can actually be fitted with a 120mm gun, but this has never been orderd and remains in test fase. Doubt Ukraine will see any of that.
@opticalcanine Рік тому
I mean... The amount of combat hours bradleys have seen makes them absolutely proven to be effective... Everything else is speculation
@TheBooban Рік тому
If you think hard about it, it actually doesn’t prove anything except that US combined arms is effective. US troops could attack with a butter knife because they just call down air power and win. Ukraine conditions and how they will use the Bradley remains to be seen.
@mr_exia Рік тому
Yes, but the Marder is made of Teutonium
@coreywallace2823 Рік тому
when you say combat Iraq, Afghanistan etc.. is hardy combat compared where these items are headed, what's more is that they do not control the airspace above the clashes and are vastly outnumbered in terms heavy amour & artillery, its over period!
@off6848 Рік тому
Where has the Bradley engaged an enemy with at parity tech?? Never Russia not only has the most adaptive arms industry but it’s industry continues to produce unlike Ukraine That means Ukraine has to rely on deals the entire time this makes it about as adaptive as the Taliban (the only thing Bradley is proven against)
@HowTheMikeyHasFall Рік тому
@Off russia has no parity tech..... other than the cardboard ones in parades. Your putting soviet era tanks in your so low on high tech equipment. Your army's an absolute joke. As is your country. Nobody is scared of russia. Ita crazy thay we used to think of you as a world power. A year in and you can't even hold territory in the country next door. Your trolling is getting less effective as the world.now sees how crap your military is.
@classiccorvetteguide9147 Рік тому
Bradley’s are absolutely elite machines. The speed and shredding main gun are wild. The TOW missiles are destructive!!!
@Tom-eq5bz Рік тому
Binkow, Germany 🇩🇪 is sending 88 Leopard I tanks to Ukraine soon. Could you make a video on how a leopard I would compare to russian T72 b3
@heyho4770 Рік тому
Its a pretty worthless comparison. T72 b3 can be used as an actual MBT while Ukraine will have to be extremely careful in Leo 1s as those don't even have Composite armor. Its still better than no highly mobile platform with a 105mm gun but any comparison to a proper MBT is useless.
@drgat6953 Рік тому
From other videos I have seen Leopard 1 would fare poorly to a T-72B3 in a one on one fight. That said it would still be valuable to Ukraine for territorial/border defense.
@stc3145 Рік тому
Came back just for the hillarious comments that are about to come
@liamobrien9451 Рік тому
Man they're already beautiful
@zeck8541 Рік тому
I can answer this without the video. The answer is that anything better than a BMP is most helpful. Since both the Bradley and Marder are better…they both win.
@huntergatherer7796 Рік тому
They are better but that is negligible in a high intensity war. Having more BMPs is better than having a few modern IFVs.
@TheRezro Рік тому
@@huntergatherer7796 BMP1 is only marginally better then M113. They are trash and they can't effectively support Abrams or Leopard 2. And that is why US send Brads.
@zeck8541 Рік тому
@@huntergatherer7796 that is a completely incorrect statement and is in perfect alignment with Soviet doctrine of quantity over quality. Proof of this flawed concept is the ease at which armored vehicles are being destroyed in Ukraine. The ease at which the entire Republican guard was wiped out in 1991 even though they had far more armor than the coalition. The ease by which German armor destroyed allied armor in WW2. The allies only winning because of Germany’s lack of sustainability. There is a reason that Western nations have avoided the doctrine that the Soviets and Russia use. The reason why China has also began to abandon that doctrine. Survivability and lethality are the most important aspects of armored warfare. Not quantity.
@Miami1991 Рік тому
@@TheRezro they are trash in what metric? Just like the mouthbreathers here who say " Blehh who cares M113 is m113 it has its uses" anything with a Cannon is still a cannon How is it trash?
@TheRezro Рік тому
@@Miami1991 Ok. You never did see BMP? Let my guess. You are from South America or Africa? Literally no operator of BMP hold good opinion about it. It maybe was first IFV, but it has tons of compromises making it ineffective in this role. As Russians didn't really know what they are doing. M113 can't protect you from modern threats. Most Reformists treating it as super weapon, clearly never see modern combat. It is still a decent alternative to Toyota Helix though. It is literally how it is used nowadays.
@nietkees6906 Рік тому
You made a mistake. Not the M2A2 ODS will be sent, but the M2A2 ODS SA based on footage of them. These have all the upgrades of the M2A3 such as second generation thermal sight, but without the comannder independent thermal sight.
@robertwolfe2971 Рік тому
As support to troops it would be ok.As long as the troops we way out in front with atgms.and stingers and starstreaks for air support.
@Ianmundo Рік тому
ODS Bradleys are top-quality armour. Brilliant quality night sights, Bushmaster autocannon, TOW launchers. M2 Bradley cannons can be used to guide fire from other tanks onto targets
@rootin222 Рік тому
Manically Laughs in konkurs
@Miami1991 Рік тому
They are not getting the ODS Varaint but A2s scheduled to be mothballed
@juliuszkocinski7478 Рік тому
@@rootin222 Yeah, and no IFV* can really stop true anti-tank weapons. But resisting 20-30mm rounds is more important that it sounds. And on this field APCs and IFVs differ. *Apart from Russian T-15, which is... non-existent yet, and German Puma which have other problems and won't enter this war.
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