As a Brit....is that the best our heritage has to offer ......land rover what happened ?...eeewwww....I’ll keep my Jeep !

At around 22 you see the land rover ahead of the jeep the puncture was fake

@@benjaminpedersen6345 Wow aren't you living in a twisted reality 😂

@@robertcarroll2840 isnt it true dont you see it in front of the jeep and since this is a american show hmmm

@@benjaminpedersen6345 i don't think you understand how B-Roll works

Yeah that was amazing. I'm so glad it was included. That was some honest off-road experience right there.

Morty from the cartoon

But who wouldn't get frustrated and cuss in a situation that leaves a 70,000+ vehicle stuck in the middle of nowhere.

@@heathwirt8919 They should have upgraded the tyres on the Defender. Was so obvs they were gonna get a puncture. Many other vids on UKposts have done that

@@cameronmurray3039 so, I pay for an off road rig, and I have to also immediately buy new rims and new tires. Doesn't sound too good to me

It’s all in how it is driven. If it was driven by a competent off-roader it would appear as a much more capable vehicle.

Yes it looks good

The defender hate community has started to fade away. Accept and move on.

What sucky tires were they using?

19" tires suck more than the 20's", but they both suck getting decent tires for. I had 2 range rovers in the past.

@@sonnydayz2118 sorry just got home from football when I typed that last comment so wasn't thinking straight😂😂

@@beaviccoon470 lol. Have a 🍺.

This is the most refreshing comment I’ve ever seen

Yota or die!!!! #yotanation Lol this man has a great mindset. Maybe GM will add some competition soon

I’m partial to Ford, but everyone already knows what Jeep’s have done for years. That Bronco is a good looking vehicle. I’m glad they took its off-road intentions seriously.

Something you'll never hear from a Ford guy.

Innovation from 1970🤔🤣

@@jayd3nD nothing

Great post. These vehicles are getting too big for wooded trails. 90% of these will never see any serious trails but the Jeep is still the most optimized for them. And the Jeep is also the easiest to modify with a lift and larger tires. That Bronco already has 35s and struggles a little to match the Jeep with relatively puny 32s or 33s. The Defender is really just going to be used on snowy roads lets face it. The Bronco will be better on roads and is a good all arounder

There's a reason why a Jeep will always be a Jeep

Jeeps are great but the new Broncos are just all around great vehicles both off rd /on rd. Good mpgs & proven Gen2 TGDI powertrain.

@@jayd3nD def test drive a new Bronco if you can find one. Both are awesome but tech & features of Bronco are amazing

power of solid axles

Yep why independent suspension sucks my 86 bronco had front independent it sucked on hills and the newer on had really low traction bar mounts

Part of the reason I think it’s the best!

@Cinda Oppenheimer I guess you've never rode a teeter totter

@Cinda Oppenheimer it has flex no cv shafts. Generally a lot stronger. Also easier to swap to bigger one .

land rovers are built for rich white moms driving down beverly hills lol

@@cafe88racer53 Might want to check out the previous model Defender which could go anywhe any CJ, TJ, JK, or JL can go. Now back to drifting vids son and Hyundai Excel automatic. You could find an apex if you life depended on it.

@@cafe88racer53 Yah there not made for off road now I heard they where fantastic off road before

@@cafe88racer53 groceries and soccer equipment carrier 🤣

@@cafe88racer53 land rovers, especially the new defenders, are used commonly in British farms. Also, the defender has some of the most advanced off-road tech built into it.

Thanks for the thoughtful comment!

thats such a blessing

Yes sir they really are a lifesaver for so many people. There were several families that benefited from this at Naval Medical Center Portsmouth. They had kids being treated for extended treatments that allowed their family to stay close by without creating a huge financial burden.

@@TFLoffroad hybrids,are not green,or cheap,or earth friendly. you should do a segment on how much it costs to re cycle,wind towers,prius,battery,s. &,the manufacturing cost against std,vehicles,coal,gas. green is total,BS. to say the least..

@@TFLoffroad air suspension,more,bs.. they blow out & reduce travel. as its ifs bs as well.. seems you.ve run out of decent content & vehicles..

The Morevair would smoke these guys!

"We'll get em out." -Ed

Hahaha! 😆

@@jessesimpson777 The honey hole!!! 😂

Would love to see the Morvair doing this trail, although the Banana might be better since it’s smaller.

Exactly right. Successful Extreme off roading (Hells Revenge, the Rubicon, John Bull) requires a vehicle like a 2 door Rubicon with a short wheelbase, mud terrain 35’s, 12k wench, and a 3” lift over stock.

You’re amazing..

🙄… aha.

🤣

😂

🤣

I was thinking the same thing. If I stack a enough rocks at the right angle I'm sure my AWD Fusion will go up it.

My gen 2 crv would have made it to the top. Being small and being able to pick your limes definitely has it's perks

I'm also pretty sure my car tires wouldn't puncture rolling over either of those rocks given I've been over sharper edged potholes and kerbs. If my car weighed an extra ton maybe it might have though.

No lies detected! Fail on the Defender tires. X2 even. I'd personally be happy with eit HF er the Bronco or Jeep.

Exactly and he chose the most horrible line and then see sawed on the rock. Not exactly how you do things.

When there is competition, we as the consumer wins.

Very cool. I would take the wrangler or Bronco, if it's my money I would get the Bronco as of today. But that 392 wrangler is a close Second..Very close!

Land Rover used to be arguably the best off road vehicles along side Jeeps. But they have really just moved so up-market, that they have zero business being off road.

Love my Defender, but this comment is objectively hilarious 🤣. Well played.

@@East_Coast_Ghost86 *cough cough*....You forgot about the land cruiser m8!!

Who would have thought a set of 29" mild ATRs would struggle against 35"tyres🤔,looking forward to the sand,mud /ruts track's

No self respecting vehicle intended for real off roading sports 19” or larger wheels, ridiculous! !7” is the maximum unless you stay in grass parking lots.

Yeah the Land Rover sucks on these American Trails but if you take it on some grassy British kind of land with a little bit of axle twister here and there the traction control is pretty amazing. I just like the fact that the traction control does work so great when needed. I am biased though I own a Land Rover but it's an old school Discovery 2 with traction control that works great and solid axles with no sway bars so I kind of get the best of both worlds. I do like the concept of the traction control being aggressive because if all you have is an open diff or a locker it's kind of nice to have something to not have to use the locker because the locker can sometimes be necessary but also hinder steering. But if you have traction control that works really really well it's just automatically happens and then it's off and you don't even know it and there's no thinking about it. And the one on my old disco too is actually pretty reliable it always works great. I've seen other videos with the Bronco and it's pretty damn impressive because it handles better on the street than the Jeep yet it still has front and rear lockers with decent articulation for ifs and Towing more than the Jeep

I heard/read a funny comment once before , it went soemthing like this, if you want to go to the outback take a land rover if you want to come back take a land cruiser.

My father, master mechanic for decades, owned a large independent garage for over 50 years. Land cruisers, especially the older less electronic versions, were his favorite vehicles (also loved Ford half or 3/4 ton vans).

Is the Bronco not purpose built?

Uh, and the Bronco isn't purpose built?

@@EvilMerlin you can never beat an old FJ40. I wish they made them again

That's why Nathan is my fav TFL'er

😂😂😂😂

The dealer selling this vehicle for full price with light scratches

Drive like a rental!!😂

Yeah the Bronco and jeep humiliated the Land Rover

He is the Jeremy clarkson of the TFL bunch. Mooorrreeee powwer Just floor it. Hahhaha gotta love em

Think he was having a hard time controlling the throttle of the electric motor with its instant torque.

@@heathwirt8919 or maybe turbo spool but I think it’s in low range and I haven’t driven one but I imagine the small turbo doesn’t have too much lag.

@@rydingwithryan493 Pay attention bloke - he was in electric mode, which doesn't have turbo spool.

@@heathwirt8919 Excactly. My thought was he should have only used the front locker - locking the rear will always cause the rear to slide.

This is just an average 4x4 trail in colorado. I live an hour from this trail and have done them all.

Agreed….I’ve been searching for some off road videos of the new Bronco (driven by non Ford endorsed people) and this is by far the best out there

Thanks Josh!

Wow you should join the crew

Yup, this is just weekend wheelin. I laughed when they were talking about the “rock garden” lol

21:58 Why is Roman and the defender (with spare) in front of the Jeep when it's supposed to be left behind, and incapable of completing the trail?

@@deejayimm good catch

@@deejayimm TFL is more scripted than TopGear.

@@deejayimm B footage is often used out of order.

@@jasonblevins9327 yea, but they're saying that the Land Rover had to be taken back down the trail, yet later in the video you see it further up the trail. So did they replace both tires, and it made it the rest of the way without them telling us?

The Bronco did it easier come on!

Yea, swaybar disconnect would smooth it out, but Rubicon can only disconnect swaybar in 4Lo..unless you have a bullydog tuner then you can disconnect swaybar in 2Hi, 4Hi and even lock differentials.

Agreed! Seeing the difference it makes in practice (rather than in theory) was super helpful for people who aren’t that familiar with off roading.

Strait axle still wins with more droop the down side.

Agreed

Just beautiful

22:17 shows how a solid front axle can't be matched. Way more flex. Love the new Bronco, but Jeep is still the superior off-roader.

TOTALLY AGREE!!!!

🤣🤣🤣🤣 I repeated it 4 times to make sure that's what he said. Gold!

Micah point ! ... lmao

Lost it for a minute. LOL

Meanwhile in YouBube headquarters: "Our AI has brought to our attention that your son has cursed on a video you uploaded on our platform; unfortunately, TFL is demonetized as of today."

They had slightly different lines and angles as they approached the first dip. If you watch them as they are both in the first dip I'd have to call it a tie. The Jeep definitely didn't win.

Bro both were in different angles and line you definitely can't say wrangler has better articulation ! Plus this is not a Badlands 2 door which has way more wheel travel flex than the 4 door wildtrack which is more towards the desert racing so the actual comparison will be when the 2 door badlands will be included

@@nadirkhan7435 The Wrangler won plain and simple. The articulation with a solid front axle will always win. Break out the protractor ya soy boy Bronco fans.

Yes I agree the Jeep clearly has far more articulation despite Ford's claims of the Bronco having more.

@@Lex-Rex The Bronco Fanbois are also forgetting to mention the extra height from the 35s vs 33s on the Wrangler. That requires less travel/articulation for the Bronco for ground contact vs the Wrangler on smaller tires. Throw some 35s on the Wrangler, or 33s on the Bronco, and you will see the gap get even bigger in terms of how much better the Wrangler can articulate.

If the bronco sport badlands had the same max ground clearance as the defender the optional off-road wheels and tires that you can get on the sport would have probably faired better than those 20 inch rims on the defender lol

It's even worse !!

Yeah, it’s not really a fair comparison. You have the top off road package on both the Jeep and the Bronco VS. the decidedly non-off road options on the defender. Goodyear tires have the sidewall interfaith of a wet paper bag. Not to mention they didn’t remove the rocks they stacked for the defender. It looks really easy when they’re already there!

@@meptwal That's a landrover problem of available options.

@@feedtheagle6851 no, the options are available IF you can be patient enough to not buy one without. Despite the hate from ignorant people, these things are selling like hot cakes. That doesn’t help with junk stock tires, but does anyone who is serious off-road in stock tires?

Maybe RR should spec their OFF ROADERS with run flat tires.

@@mikefoehr235 the original ones for the army might have had some although don't quote me on that.

Last time I aired down it was to maybe 7psi....not 35 to 25

LOL - you win.

aren't all rock's at least partially derived from _mica?_ Name it _"Mica's mica"_ 😅

The DREADED Mica Rock

Lolol They should've stacked rocks in front of the tire killer hill.

My brother's son, too! A great bunch of people!

Yes sir! Would you happen to know the best way to give to them! Thank you and keep up the great work with your videos!

And the parts come from overseas so that'll make repairs nice and cheep lol.

@@NotThatBob cheap* lol

@@cooltechnician face palm lol.

LOL

Lmao

Same here. Amazing charity to donate too!

They gave my wife and I a room to stay in while our 3 week old boy had heart surgery. A truly remarkable organization.

This should be the pinned comment!!!! @TFL

@@nordicheat906 this wouldn't happen to be the Loma Linda location would it?

@@Philip550c no Chicago Luries

Yeah my take away was different than theirs. I think tommy is just a more skilled driver. Seems like it struggled less on everything.

Yep, almost as good as a Bronco.

They got competition now

😂

It was just a tire, would've helped to have legit offroad tires

@@Cccolorado Im pretty sure all 3 vehicles are running factory trim, aka another sign Landrover wasn't aiming at a true off roader.

@@Cccolorado It wasn't just a tire. It was two tires and the wheels were damaged too. The Defender is a joke.

But they said in the video at 15:30 that the Defender's tires were the "off-road" option and the most aggressive ones offered by Land Rover or should I say Land Robbers hahaha! It seems their factory options are not up to par with the Jeep's or Bronco's. I think at this point, it is obvious that the Defender is not a true off-roader and it showed the direction that Land Rover chose to take the defender, that is the luxury SUV route, just like a Range Rover.

I agree with you so much honestly, but In this situation the break over angle 📐 was the part hitting. A suspension lift would have been more effective for the money to get through this obstacle.

@@mariosac130 keep in mind the first Range Rovers were fully capable offroaders. They mostly stood apart from the defenders by not having the interior of a tractor. They their offroad capability was downgraded and they introduced the Discovery to offer and offroader. Then the capabilty of the Discovery was downgraded and they introduced the new Defender that is not a Defender replacement but more a replacement for the Discovery....

@@mariosac130 well that's a lie defenders have 22 inch wheels that are also for off-road also jlr have affiliate links that have bigger tires that can fit

Yes, they took the Chevrolet Blazer path. Land Rover isn't the only one. But it must really gall them that Ineos is legally building the Defender they should have built and calling it the Grenadier.

Holy Cross is a real trail , but this one is ok for stock

It's the rock crawler master but not offroad overall. Jeep has the straight axles perfect for rock crawling but that's about it.

@@eliasgutierrez6789 Still has a lot of advantages on tight trails as opposed to the Bronco which looks as wide as a Ram TRX.

Looking at the line it makes me wonder if the tire size played a factor as perhaps the rear was holding the front hostage. That spare tire from the Defender pushed the vehicle into a steeper angle on that right rear due to the extra weight. I guess TFL needs to try the flex ramp and see.

@UC3CCR49CSONgjbxKhgCp4lA someone ordered a Bronco and is in denial lol

The fact is both were in different angles and line you definitely can't say wrangler has better articulation ! Both are tie . Plus this is not a Badlands 2 door which has way more wheel travel flex than the 4 door wildtrack which is more towards the desert racing so the actual comparison will be when the 2 door badlands will be included

@@nadirkhan7435 I’m excited to see exactly how many times you are going to leave the same/basically the same comment on every pro jeep comment. Fascinating!

@@laraava Internet Explorer and Nadir have posted the same response 100x LOLOL. They each forget to mention that the Bronco is also on 35s vs 33s on the Wrangler, which is a taller tire and requires the Bronco's suspension to articulate less. Put the same tire on each vehicle and you will how much more the Jeep can articulate over the Bronco.

If you watch the end of the video with the mountain top scene, you can see a Toyota FJ Cruiser and what I think is a lifted/tired up Lexus GX460 (essentially a 4Runner). I have an SR5 4Runner, and sometimes wish it had more outright ground clearance from the factory, the TRD Pro model is a serious piece of equipment - it would be neat to see one on this trail.

Yeah interesting how Ford claims the Bronco has like 16% more and it clearly has quite a bit less.

I don't know why they made this a "tell us what you think" thing unless they're trying not to piss off ford.

@@hacob2004 exactly!

It could be far better if they mounted the differential in the center and gave it longer control arms. The Raptor actually has pretty good articulation, but it’s massively wide

@@KTMcaptain yeah thats a good point, it would be cool to see it in a future model, cause the Raptor is just far too big for this kind of driving

@@chadb2077 if they used a heave style suspension it would also help to mimic the weight transfer of a solid axle. Basically a lifted wheel applies pressure to a spring and rocker that forces the other wheel down. When both wheels travel up or down together they actuate the heave spring for better bottoming and brake dive resistance, but articulation it will also help to reduce inner wheel spring rate and increase outer wheel spring rate. . Unfortunately they used an existing platform, so it would not be cost beneficial to do these things. But without that the Bronco wouldn’t be here and Jeep wouldn’t be offering a hemi nor a 35” tire package with 4.88 gears. Competition is everything.

It's because this New Defender is most like a SUV. Let's install the same tires as the Jeep and it's may do the same as Jeep and Bronco!!

Nathan can't drive....... he's from LA

Ok yes bigger hit I’m the Jeep but any damage?? Nah the bronco had a literal minor scrape on the control arm and pretty big scrape … case close Jeep will always be king 👑

@@DAREDEVIL-vk3vi Nathan didn’t try to drive over the same rock Tommy did, he took an easier line right away where Tommy tried to go the hard route, then backed up and went the easy way. Would’ve been interesting to see if the Jeep would’ve taken damage if he tried to go over that rock as well.

@@DAREDEVIL-vk3vi You do realize that every time they completed a course they literally mention how Tommy took the Bronco through harder and more complicated lines while the Wrangler took easier lines right ? The Bronco came out of all of this with a minor scrape, while having 2 passengers, a few luggage bags i see in the back and a freaking spare tire from a defender that failed. Not only was it WAY heavier because of all this, but it still managed to take the harder lines and not even sweat on it. Tell me how exactly did the Wrangler prove itself as king here if at all ?

@@raionshishi8290 22:21 says it all

100% agree. I have a 2020 Wrangler Rubicon but love the 4Runner and would’ve liked to see how it stacks up.

I kind get a little upset because 4runner wasn’t in this……. But 4runner is more suitable for overland, I never will put a 35, or anything bigger than 32.7 on my 4runner.

Don’t buy anything British.

@@lmtada you know what’s funny, Land Rover right now actually own by an India company….

Damn, you’re right. A 4Runner TRD Pro would’ve been a worthy contender!

That’s because this version of the defender is not designed for off roading. There are actuall rugged new defender versions. This is not one of them.

Yep - much respect for doing what scares the others…

I'm surprised the Land Rover corporation allowed them to destroy a vehicle like that.

It just needed more proper tires for the test it’s hardly their fault or the Land Rovers considering they were probably using whatever press vehicle they could get.

@@BrownSofaGamer I have watched a million reviews, plenty of them are on the factory street 20's and none of them have the problems TFL does.

Literally?

A Cossack, at least the Russian ones wouldn't feel queazy about a computer dork blowing a tire. I suppose you may have feelings for Tommy.

Great video and very entertaining for sure . But pointless as no off road tyres on one vehicle and off road tyres on the others . What’s the point of that? Hundreds of LR videos out there with the defender in off road tyres. TFL is a well funded channel and should be comparing like for like. LR May, May, still be worst. But we won’t know. All we know is don’t go off road without off road tyres. Useful reminder but not informative

Makes one wonder if they haven't got the rim selection correct ( we've also see the wiring issues) what else is going to be poorly designed?

@4xoverland I'm watching your build with baited breath! Mine arrives next week.

TfL, are you going to take up the afterthelandroverexperience challenge?

HAHA! I was thinking about you when I saw this Andrew! And as we all know, the Discovery Lite (I REFUSE to call it a Defender!!) performed as predicted... All the tech in the world means nothing if those old fashioned things called tyres aren't fit for purpose.

Test drove the new defender and was highly disappointed. The model went from one of the best off road vehicles to the worst. They made it for soccer moms!

I hope your son got to go on rides with you in your Jeep, God bless your family.

So did you buy the car? Did you take any life changing trips? How's your son doing? Wishing you nothing but the best.

Very sorry to hear about your son, I hope you fulfil your adventures with him so that he will have those priceless memories

Glad you are caring for your son. Also I recommend you to check vegetable juice diet to kill cancer of any type. Cancer can be killed when we starve it from chemicals it feed on which is served by the food we eat.

My brother and my neighbor got the Jeeps and they have a lot of problems they actually both treated them in for a Ford f150 and bronco respectively but good luck God bless

Better for desert applications for sure...... two very same but different beasts

It didn’t look like the Wrangler was any better on the rocks…I’ll take the comfort,ride and looks, thank you very much! 🐴🐴🥌

@@thepavementendsnow1901 You are also giving up way to much for the road. You’ve got the death rattle from the solid axels, no side curtain airbags, it flips on a small overlap crash test, and has a 1 star crash rating in Europe.

Yup, I’ve got a 2Dr/Badlands/Sasquatch/Lux coming next month! 👍

@@darkpill yep perfect for the road