Bust Rate of First-Round WRs & Teams with Must-Do Lists in the Draft

Bust Rate of First-Round WRs & Teams with Must-Do Lists in the Draft | Move the Sticks Podcast

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0:00 -Start
1:05 - Stories of their time as scouts during draft week
8:10 - Discussion of article by The Athletic on odds a first-round wide receiver is a bust and after they compare the past three draft classes of first and second round wide receivers
21:51 - The guys give 4 teams, 2 from each conference, that have to get one thing accomplished in the draft
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@sharonslvr69 16 днів тому

GEORGE PICKENS! HOMERUN!

@BluebellyGaming 16 днів тому

The way they disrespected George Pickens... I'm out.

@leehemmersbach8018 16 днів тому

He is better when he isn't whining and just plays. He isn't good enough to whine yet.

@Raphael_Rebai_Tschirhart 16 днів тому

He’s certainly been a homerun on the field But the vibe I got from this whole video is they seem to know about some off the field character concern we don’t know the full extent of

@FatTony_Football 16 днів тому

I couldn’t believe that. Pickens is a straight stud.

@Baller4Life136 16 днів тому

The way they just treated George Pickens is just disrespectful!!!!! Elite Receiver!!!!!!

@cain6981 15 днів тому

Hard to consider a guy who chooses not to block "elite" at his position, as good as he is at catching the ball.

@jesselund360 14 днів тому

Elite *Catcher

@tjk5598 13 днів тому

@@cain6981 show him not blocking other than the 1 clip that went viral with Jaylen. I’ll wait.

@edgarramirez747 10 днів тому

😂😂 elite??? At what exactly??jump ball maybe that’s it

@wpl8275 16 днів тому

Another issue is 40 time. If beyond the top 10 type of receivers is all the same. AKA they all have to learn to be a pro. Then being really fast doesn't matter so much. Can you run routes. Can you get open. Can you catch the ball. All of them matter more than how fast your 40 time was. Two easy examples are Puka Nacua and Amon Ra St. Brown.

@whimsicalwizardman409 16 днів тому

Feel like packers wr coach Vrabel is never given enough credit for Green Bay’s drafting success at wr

@Buffalo_Live 16 днів тому

This is a fascinating discussion to me. I remember several years ago when the guys repeated how much depth was in every WR class each year... I guess things have changed? or maybe more teams have wised up & are selecting the top-tier receivers in Round 1 before they have historically dropped.

@HaNZo99Hattori 16 днів тому

George Pickens?!?!?!?

@TonyDanza4Lyfe 10 днів тому

BTJ literally feels like JJ2.0 with him being jj and nabers as chase. 6’3 4.3. He’s almost as physically gifted as Mhj.

@keith4776 16 днів тому

Top 10 WR's have elite college production. If you take a WR early you should bank on college production. But what separates a round 2 guy from a round 4 guy? 40 time... It's traits. But if you're 6'2", 200 lbs, and run a 4.35 why didn't you have elite college production? So for me I would ask the why? If you cannot create a narrative of why they didn't produce, then don't just assume that everything will work out in the NFL.

@ericparker163 16 днів тому

So much success depends on what's happening between the ears. Do they understand what the defense is trying to do? Can they read it on the fly and make adjustments? Etc. I'm no scout but I imagine that can be harder to read and maybe where the misses come from.

@123shoshan 12 днів тому

Wrong if you have a terrible qb it’s hard to produce

@123shoshan 12 днів тому

@@ericparker163it’s also has to do with qb play

@TonyDanza4Lyfe 10 днів тому

Stephen hill

@scottcody8498 11 днів тому

100% agree with Cowboys at RB. I think @ #24 they go O-line, @ #56 RB or LB, @ #87 LB or RB

@benjaminbrown3951 13 днів тому

Quickly glanced over christian watson...that green bay offense is loaded with jayden reed. 2nd round, dontavion wicks 5th rounder with davante adams releases mr. Red zone, romeo doubs..who was 1 more catch away from knocking the 49ers out of the divisional round. Jahan Dotson who, jerry jeudy who? Even Miami..ok thats great waddle..you are fast..are the dolphins winning playoff games?

@SaintCoby 13 днів тому

Could this disparity potentially be due to the difference in catch rules between college and the NFL? Do evaluating analysts remove college catches that wouldn't be NFL catches?

@Glatisant_galla 16 днів тому

Love me some move the sticks

@mark11967AD 16 днів тому

So from what you guys are saying Bears should definitely not trade down if they want a receiver especially if Odunze is available grab him. It would be awesome if someone put out a chart of Rounds 1-3 for the last ten years and rated guys as hits/ok/busts at key positions like WR/TE, OL, DL, and CB. Would be very interesting. You could call it The Hit List or something.

@traviswright7333 15 днів тому

He is a homerun

@smoothkid765 16 днів тому

love the bust rate debate. wish we could do that for OL, edge, and TE as well

@themack1363 16 днів тому

I don’t have data on OL, Edge and TE, but I do have data on CB’s since I scout them. Since 2010 there has been 49 CB’s drafted in the first round and only 15 of them ever made more than 1 pro bowl which essentially means it’s a 70% chance they’re going to underwhelm or fail. Sad truth.

@smoothkid765 16 днів тому

@@themack1363 my colts set to grab a CB in the first round this year 😭😭

@themack1363 16 днів тому

@smoothkid765 LOL hopefully not. I can’t even lie, Mitchell and Terrion Arnold give me slight bust vibes, and Wiggins and McKinstry don’t look any better. I think DeJean is going to be the super star of the bunch, but he looks like he’s going to play safety. For what it’s worth I believe there’s good CB’s in the mid rounds like Lassiter, Cam Hart, Khyree Jackson, and Ennis Rakestraw. I think Brock Bowers falls to you guys at 15. Richardson would thrive with him.

@smoothkid765 16 днів тому

@@themack1363 if dejean is a slot/safety then we'll take him, especially since he's an elite athlete. ballard likes them RAS guys player I personally want to fall is Dallas Turner, but he won't get past Atlanta, I'm afraid.

@themack1363 16 днів тому

@smoothkid765 yeah I don’t think Turner is falling past Atlanta neither especially since they’re a 3-4 defense now and desperately need a pass rusher. But DeJean would be real nice for you guys. Gets to stay somewhat close to home, and I could really see him being an All-Pro as either a SS or FS. Kids a a real football player.

@buzzed0nbeer21 16 днів тому

That’s a .67% hit chance in the 1st. And in the 2nd it’s a .27% chance to find one. Beanes moved up in the 4/5 times in the first. Hopefully he moves up again and gets whoever he fell in love with. The holes you guys see aren’t holes. 3cbs in the top 13. And have Rapp and Edwards at safety they really only NEED an X WR.

@fitness4234 16 днів тому

So if you're offered 2 firsts and a 2nd, and you miss on the 2nd round WR but you get two first round picks in the other positions, would you take it? What would be worth trading out outside of top 3 WR?

@smoothkid765 16 днів тому

Am I the only person on the planet that values AD mitchell over brian thomas jr?

@douglasanderson5516 16 днів тому

YES YOU ARE!! THOMAS AND WORTHY REMINDS ME OF OLAVE..always beating his man deep. Now Olave is catching everything everywhere on the field.

@smoothkid765 16 днів тому

@@douglasanderson5516 Brian thomas jr is fine but he doesn't have the hands AD mitchell has. both guys are fast. I feel like AD is a more complete route runner

@ericparker163 16 днів тому

If I drafting WR and it's between those two, I'm taking AD for the same reasons you stated.

@123shoshan 12 днів тому

@@smoothkid765ad had a much worse qb that’s the difference

@KG242722 13 днів тому

Ummm... aren't you forgetting a pretty big star WR dafted with the 1st pick in the 2nd round (33rd) in the 2020 draft - Tee Higgins???? I'm no NFL scout but it seems like Cincinnati hit a homerun with that pick.

@timothycunningham3983 16 днів тому

What about a tight end for the Steelers? Will there be a good receiving tight end at 20?

@lionelladner 16 днів тому

Only if Bowers falls

@lionelladner 16 днів тому

Steelers best at 3rd-6th rd. WRs and Pickens 2nd rd was a beast WITHOUT a QB so u missed him Beast

@kenpoman1 15 днів тому

BS other than AB most have been busts, the odds of getting a starter beyond the 2nd round are about 1 in 5 , of course AB but I can name about twenty that sucked.

@blitzburgh9066 15 днів тому

George Pickens just put up almost 1200 yards with Kenny Pickett the worst qb of all time and lead the league in ypc🤦‍♂️ put some respect on his name

@BratatoChip 15 днів тому

Worst qb of all time is insane tho 😂😂

@blitzburgh9066 15 днів тому

@@BratatoChip he actually might be his td pct with like 500 attempts is bottom 3

@kenpoman1 15 днів тому

Without a legit #2 WR he is going to get bracket coverage, the times he saw bracket coverage last season were not good, he had 1 or 2 catches those games and under 25 yards.

@blitzburgh9066 15 днів тому

@@kenpoman1 he saw more bracket coverage than Diontae Johnson did of all last season and was most productive the first 6 weeks while Johnson was on the ir so that’s not true at all

@kenpoman1 14 днів тому

@@blitzburgh9066 BS, It is absolutely true and he wasn't bracketed till later in the year, do you need me to show the games and total? i will if necessary, you are the one that doesnt know what you are talking about. . Pickens was all upset because he wasn't getting targets because of it, those are the games they threw way more to Diontae. They need a legit #2 WR, or teams will take Pickens away. plain and simple, what part of that don't you understand?