Can a Retro Bike Handle a Modern Groupset & Disc Brakes?
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Everyone loves the look of a retro steel bike, but while classic components can be stylish, they simply don't perform as well as modern tech (as Manon found on her 100-mile ride on a £100 bike!). Alex wanted to know whether he could revive the very retro frame from that video to bring it into the 21st century by fitting modern components. The results were pretty stunning!
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@gcntech 3 роки тому
What did you think of this? Would you rather the modern components or keep the classics? Let us know in the comments!
@panzerveps 3 роки тому
I'd keep it as a rim bike, but upgrade the components.
@mithral999 3 роки тому
The only thing I would have changed is the use of zip ties, some metal hose clasps would have kept a little classic style in there
@sepg5084 3 роки тому
This bike did not need all that welding and disc brakes. Modern Rims and Rim Brakes are the perfect march for it.
@suncuevas1238 3 роки тому
Love it 😉
@Pionirish 3 роки тому
Braze on disc brake mounts but still using zip ties for the cables? 1/10 *bodge* Got someone else to do the welding? Double bodge
@willbowen3101 3 роки тому
Now you need to give it back to Manon to do her 100mile route again
@mt24Carson 3 роки тому
Yes, would be interesting to hear her feedback.
@tomgilfedder3515 3 роки тому
Was thinking the same.
@sdolman79 3 роки тому
Definitely
@Ramoonus 3 роки тому
poor girl
@telepoiss 2 роки тому
+1
@jontyarcheryedgar 3 роки тому
“Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn’t stop to think if they should”- Dr Ian Malcom, Jurassic Park
@Wildschwein_Jaeger 3 роки тому
"The greatest teacher, failure is."
@jacobrose3428 3 роки тому
You watched that on itv yesterday didn’t you
@s.j.5850 2 роки тому
You nailed it perfectly!!!
@nopy99 2 роки тому
I don’t believe it. I just don’t believe it. I bring youtube viewers here to protect me from these characters, and the only one I’ve got on my side is the blood-sucking lawyer.
@jannevellamo 2 роки тому
Sounds like the story of Fauci creating new superviruses in a Chinese lab, at the expense of the taxpayers, with intent to kill the taxpayers.
@stanislawwawrzyczek873 3 роки тому
I have been riding various retro builds with modern groupsets for commuting for about a decade now. There's a lot that I can say in their favour: unlike your very expensive build for most peaple this is a great way to save an old frame from junkyard and give a second life to your aging groupset that you've just upgraded (or you use secondhand parts). For the short distance city rides a 13kg vintage steel bike is all you need - they can be more comfortable on rough roads and you get more excercise for the time spent cycling on a heavier bike! Needless to say aerodynamics of the bike does not matter if you ride in your casual clothes in the city traffic. I often cary 15kgs or more of grocery shopping on my vintage Bianchi, so really the weight of the bike does not matter much. Looking a bit scruffy they are more likely to be overlooked by the thieves - no stress locking the bike outside of a shop or pub. Last but not least, for 500quid or so you can build a decent bike (and have fun in the process!) that has a cool factor you could never match with anything you can buy new for that much.
@Wonder380 3 роки тому
Next challenge: ride 200 miles in the updated retro bike.
@kenhunt 3 роки тому
300 in 24 hours
@Grovreicraynth 3 роки тому
Hell yeah! Hahahaha. I would wanna see that. Or do the same as the scotland 500 with Mr. Beaumont
@iancuk 3 роки тому
Well, that would be an easy challenge. Just try Everesting on it😂
@wmbechelli 3 роки тому
Or just get Manon to do the 100 miles route again on it.
@paolobramucci3609 3 роки тому
@@wmbechelli That what I was thinking too!
@eyenoball 3 роки тому
Hack/Bodge on the next GCN Show: "so I got my welder friend Tom to put some disc brake mounts on my vintage bike..."
@stejayrado 3 роки тому
Bodge and why! Ruined a perfect frame with rubby disc brakes
@ehtikhet 2 роки тому
@@stejayrado fair, but to retort, disc brakes are better for braking.
@rhobson 2 роки тому
@@ehtikhet in real world usage, only marginally. They are only better in the wet, but some of us rather not go out when the weather isn't favourable, so it's mostly irrelevant.
@kimberleemodel7182 2 роки тому
Bodge
@johns3106 3 роки тому
Y'know...lots of people put LOTS of miles on "retro" bikes back before they were "retro".
@cornishcat11 3 роки тому
and some still enjoy riding them today
@rollinrat4850 3 роки тому
Ive always known ITS THE RIDER, not the bike. The bicycle really is just an exceedingly simple machine or at least it ought to be. Its inanimate. It goes nowhere on its own. All you really 'need' is one gear, two wheels something to grab onto and the ability and will to push the pedals harder! Maybe just a little..... (NOT SO) common sense?.... Yet we have all these idiots spouting and or believing marketing BS! Folks need to justify that credit card bill too! Haha!
@thebrowns5337 3 роки тому
Lots of people still do. There are groups of retired folks cycling more miles than some of so called weekend warriors on bikes older than you are. See it all the time in the summer (before lockdown that is) and when you chat to them you'd be amazed justnhow far they ride. Granted, the bikes are posh but they are still 30 years old etc. Puts a smile on my face every time I see them.
@rollinrat4850 3 роки тому
@@thebrowns5337 I'm 60 and still do long offroad rides on singlespeeds and a fixed gear 'cross bike. More fun than should be legal! My Derailleur bikes are only for the big mountains. I have an ex-pro racer friend who's 70 years young. He can kick my butt up the mtns. He's still doing 'Everesting' rides a few times every year. Lots of the folks I ride with are serious randonneurs. We do 200+KM rides fairly regularly.
@timboha8191 3 роки тому
@@thebrowns5337 I did a C2C a couple of years ago, we were all on our fancy bikes in our Lycra and we even had a support van! Every time we stopped we kept getting passed by the same group of elderly cyclists on touring bikes. They were doing the same route, but carried everything with them (even food) and were wearing shirts jackets and ties! Put it all into perspective and made me feel quite stupid.😂
@make1tup 3 роки тому
I rebuilt my classic late 80s steel bike with a modern mechanical Campy groupset and aero wheels, aero carbon bars and a carbon fork. I also had custom internal cable routing to delete the downtube shifters. Absolutely brilliant to ride and completely unique.
@Maaaaaax-07 2 роки тому
Can we see it somehow ?
@Nik-gh6gz 2 роки тому
Disc or rim breaks
@make1tup 2 роки тому
@@Nik-gh6gz rim brakes, too risky to mount calipers on the slender steel tubing.
@12pagani 2 роки тому
What carbon fork did you use? I'm building a paletti super prestige racing bike and wanted tonupgatded and add lightness where tastefully possible but wanted to keep it overal retro
@jerwinusacdin8954 Рік тому
I did the same, drilled two internal cabling through the top tube for a neater looking. My only problem is when the rain gets inside the steel tube, I somehow get some rust inside of the steel tube.
@lizardbliz 3 роки тому
GCN "I'd like to see how an old frame holds up" then hacks it apart to completely change the frame
@KyrosMoutsouris 3 роки тому
exactly...
@vaas_4435 2 роки тому
only "hack" was the disc brakes which imo its useless
@lizardbliz 2 роки тому
@@vaas_4435 they literally change the back triangle. Try again
@s.j.5850 2 роки тому
Yeah, rim brakes have stood the test of time. It was totally unnecessary. Do the benefits outweigh the costs?
@cycleistic1365 2 роки тому
1:25 Braking power on old road bikes may improve greatly when any old, often petrified brake pads are changed to new and fresh ones and brakes adjusted properly. Sometimes cleaning the rim can also help, but the pads should be looked into the very first. Happened to me few years back having bought an 80's road bike that had stood in a garage for about 10 years. Whew, those braking distances and close calls on the old pads, lucky to be here with you today!
@stephensaines7100 Рік тому
This is a common point when complaining of 'the limitations of caliper brakes'. You have to search to find blocks (pads) that come even close to some of the compounds available decades past. Some blocks had *too much grab*! The downside to that, besides having to modulate them precisely, was the rate of wear which is inversely proportional to the 'grab'. But they still lasted far longer than present day disc pads.
@james_chatman Рік тому
Your so right. Kool Stops, an adjustment and a ScotchBrite pad on the rims will transform old brakes.
@PRH123 5 місяців тому
Yes welding on mounts for disc brakes here was overkill, new rim brakes on new wheels would have worked great…
@jeffmitchell7071 3 роки тому
Like a few have said : A better (531) frame and modernise the rim brakes rather than discs. That plus the other mods would have been a cool upgrade and much more balanced?
@williamboler8709 3 роки тому
No kidding. I've done this already to a 1990 Lemond Ventoux. It's easy, despite what they say here. And 2000+ Ultegra or better rim brakes with modern wheels are just fine. Having rode both a fully modern (2018 Propel) and updated vintage, the vintage is frankly not far off. It's the "80%" at a bargain price.
@jimmynich4791 2 роки тому
I was just thinking that, just upgrade it to what will fit the frame as it was, I bet there's some very good rim brakes could've gone on there that would've done the job weather permitting. Upgrading just the wheels would've made a pretty big difference.
@jimmynich4791 2 роки тому
@@williamboler8709 That's the thing I want to do, get a classic steel road bike and upgrade. Maybe don't even need to upgrade if the bike has good components for it's time, I'm guessing this bike didn't.
@Kromaatikse 2 роки тому
@@jimmynich4791 It looks like the components it started with *were* good - for the time. But that still means a standard 12-speed gearing with a 52/40 crankset and 14-28 cluster. That usually puts the top gear near 100" and the bottom gear near 38", the latter being far too high for climbing any substantial hill. And I suspect the brake blocks were salvaged from one of the other scrap bikes the vendor had piled in his yard; combined with steel rims, it's not surprising they didn't perform to modern standards. I do think that a relatively modest investment would pay dividends on a bike like this. A modern 2x7 drivetrain would be a 46/30 crankset and 12-32 cassette, giving a marginally higher top gear and a *much* lower bottom gear, and that would be pretty cheap. New wheels with aluminium rims, paired with modern brake blocks, would transform the braking performance. Right there, that addresses the two biggest problems that Manon originally faced.
@jimmynich4791 2 роки тому
@@Kromaatikse Yeah. I went to a local bike shop talking to them about me getting a classic frame from a guy at work and putting new parts on it, the guy in the shop told me it would be an expensive exercise then showed me a £3k bike lol.
@xXOOooTTTooOOXx 3 роки тому
I installed an ultegra 6600 Groupset on my 1983 Peugeot together with mavic ksyrium elite wheels and it runs perfectly smooth. Neo-Retro is in my opinion the perfect combination of aesthetics and technology.
@s.j.5850 2 роки тому
Manufacturer & media hype. It's one thing if you are racing & another if you just want to enjoy riding. It is the same hype used to sell cars. If you want to spend the extra money on the non-essentials - hey, it's your dollars. Most of us riders prefer a decent bike that is not super heavy & is comfortable for the type of riding that we do.
@joejoejoejoejoejoe4391 2 роки тому
I went backwards and converted my Peugeot to single speed.
@TheMarman57 3 роки тому
I've still got my metallic yellow Peugot 105 Carbolite from the 1980's. It's very light, really thin tyres, and it still holds the land speed record ( my land speed record) down the "Gausekotte" monster 4 kilometer 14% hill near Detmold at a top speed of 119 Kmh !!! I nearly came off once going for it on that descent. Glad I'm still here to tell the tale.
@sadlfjasdfacv 3 роки тому
@GCN< A reminder, the VAST MAJORITY of bikes people actually own and use don't have electronic shifting disk anything.
@robertytoop 3 роки тому
I would have loved to see more detail of the conversion process. Some information on the challenges of using new equipment on old frames and how to work around these issues would have been fascinating. An opportunity missed on this video I feel...
@cccpkingu 3 роки тому
Same problem as with new frames, they need to be super straight and to spec to be able to do it. Back in the day it wasn't as tight, and this mid cost frame isn't the best starting point, but unless crashed I am willing to bet the BB and rear triangle is better spec than any China made carbon bikes.
@Justin-zv4cm 3 роки тому
You can also give an 80-year-old man a fresh set of breast implants with the same logic used here. I miss Jon Cannings.
@Guy1138 3 роки тому
Etap on a vintage bike: Hack Discs on vintage fork: Bodge
@einundsiebenziger5488 3 роки тому
More bodges: Putting the old and cheap seat pillar/clamp and handlebar foam padding back on rather than using a decent one-piece seatpost and proper bar tape.
@MIAthe305 3 роки тому
I’d love to see this vintage bike with a modern group set vs a modern bike with an old school group set (like the ones you took off this bike)
@MozOnBikes 3 роки тому
So what exactly have you found with the limit of the frame geometry? Very strange statement with no explanation.
@senorspiegel 3 роки тому
STAY TUNED TO FIND OUT
@The1trueDave 3 роки тому
I didn't think seat/head angles had changed radically on standard road bikes (not talking triathlon bikes here!). 73 for both used to be pretty standard; I just Googled the Planet X Pro Carbon and it's about the same in med/large sizes. I'd guess the wheelbase on the Triumph might have been a bit longer originally (though it's obviously had entirely new dropouts fitted...) so I'd guess it's a little slower steering but you could probably live with that. I'd have thought the frame flex might be a bigger issue to a 21st-century rider though...
@dlevi67 3 роки тому
@@The1trueDave "I'd have thought the frame flex might be a bigger issue to a 21st-century rider though..." Possibly. Then again, there's 10+ kg of steel tubing in there, and it's not like the mechanical properties of _that_ have changed over time.
@The1trueDave 3 роки тому
@@dlevi67 The frame is probably more like 2.5kg, maybe 3 if it's a real clunker. Forks may add another kilo. Old frames have a lot more flex around the BB because you couldn't design in stiffness with steel tubes the way you can with carbon or hydroformed aluminium. Look at anything built with those materials and the BB area is a huge stiff hollow box. It's very difficult to do the same thing with tubing of a constant diameter. I'm not saying it's impossible and I'm sure top end track bikes found a way round it but I doubt they'd have expended that much effort on designing a 70s 'sports' bike...
@robbchastain3036 3 роки тому
I think he wants it to be more retro, like a Raleigh Chopper.
@stacyjohnson1064 3 роки тому
Now take the old components you removed and fit them to a modern carbon frame.
@truthseeker8483 2 роки тому
Haha
@s.j.5850 2 роки тому
Over-rated carbon fiber. Unless you are racing what's the point? Similar to the fiberglass car bodies vs steel. Is it worth the extra price? How many bicycle riders are bicycle racers? The manufacturers seem to be pushing carbon fiber because it is probably a greater profit margin. The majority of us will never be riding in the Tour De France.
@truthseeker8483 2 роки тому
@@s.j.5850Carbon Fibre really is an amazing material though...hard to ignore even though I love my real steel bike...
@s.j.5850 2 роки тому
@@truthseeker8483 Well, I have not taken a ride on one yet so I really cannot comment on the ride qualities of carbon fiber. Just skeptical of media driven hype about anything that tends to be more expensive.
@user-hs2hd7wp9g 2 роки тому
That comment is just plain stupid, you've never ridden a carbon bike but you're still judging based on... nothing. There is an element of luxury as well as performance, like comparing a Ferrari to a Skoda.
@toddmcdonough 3 роки тому
great idea! Thoughts and prayers to the brave soul who pulls the front brake on a hairpin decent.
@Wildschwein_Jaeger 3 роки тому
Well at least the frame is robust enough to survive.
@edmundscycles1 3 роки тому
@@Wildschwein_Jaeger they can use it to identify the pillock who put a disc on a fork that folded with the first bit of hard braking . As their face will cover 100m of prime tarmac .
@Zzyyxx22 3 роки тому
Would’ve been interested to see that frame with Tiagra Tim brakes or something a little more do-able for the standard home mechanic rather than welding on disc mounts.
@skyperoni4530 2 роки тому
I did it with Shimano claris, old steel nishiki frame. It's actually my favorite bike to ride
@habs 2 роки тому
YEP!!! definitely would have made more sense...
@bradcomis1066 2 роки тому
GCNs main mission is to tell you that old bikes are bad and new bikes are good. They tell you that you MUST spend big bucks and to not bother with anything else. They are very wrong of course, but since their mission is to sell expensive kit adding Taigra 4700 with a set of light alloy rim brakes wheels was a no go from the start. Best thing to do is to not watch GCN. I gave up on them years ago and just check back in every once in a while and every time they confirm to me that their videos are total marketing drivel.
@user-hs2hd7wp9g 2 роки тому
Why do you sound so salty ? Ofc a 105 groupset would be better bang for your bucks but that’s a boring video -> no views -> no sponsors
@pretzelhunt 2 роки тому
@@bradcomis1066 Nice youre back! Its not really like it used to be, and new doesnt outright mean expensive! you should watch a few more and not buy anything!
@WIMMine 3 роки тому
Would have loved to see Manon's reaction when she gets it back!
@kwintenvangeit 3 роки тому
Me too!
@markclevedon81 3 роки тому
She will head for the hills in Triumph!
@dgianstefani5694 3 роки тому
Putting disk breaks on a rim brake frame and fork is risky, especially with metal fatigue of a frame decades old. The stress points on the front fork for example would be severe. Would not trust this build at any kind of real speed if I had to sharply brake.
@samuelhopely4853 3 роки тому
Fatigue in chromoly raked forks is negligible. There is rarely enough stress in the average power cycle to deform the fork enough. The force transfer from a disc brake into a raked fork is similar to that with a rim brake, and the bow of the fork enables optimal absorption. The only issue tends to be some minor asymmetric flex in extreme cases, but you're more likely to lock up the wheel before that happens. Good rule for bike frames is unless you're dealing with Aluminum alloys, don't worry about fatigue stress.
@sepg5084 3 роки тому
@@samuelhopely4853 If they just put modern rims and rim brakes on it, it would have been perfect. The fact that they had to cut into the frame and had a profrssional frame builder weld a disc brake caliper mount on it seems forced and unnecessary. If they were gonna start cutting and welding onto the frame, then why stop at forcing disc brakes on a rim brake frame? Might as well cut it up and re-weld it to give it modern geometry then?
@bjtena 3 роки тому
@@sepg5084 Just for fun, buddy. Also due to the fact that there are many classic bike owners with these modifications in mind. In my case, I have an 11 speed groupset on a 1984 Trek with Reinolds 631 tubing with a recently welded braze on mount.
@jotcarey 3 роки тому
@@samuelhopely4853 A search for images of conventional steel forks retrofitted with disk brakes shows plenty of examples of forks that catastrophically failed, e.g., see the image at www.rodbikes.com/articles/brakes.html. Steel forks built for disk brakes are much heavier in construction and larger in diameter than conventional forks. Steel isn't magic.
@alexdi1367 3 роки тому
This is just wrong. That disc puts a huge torsional load on the fork it was never designed to take. Similarly-modified forks can, and have, collapsed under hard braking.
@Djm4114 3 роки тому
Retro Mods are one of my most favorite projects and one of the reasons I got back into cycling. There's nothing like Shimano 105 on an old Schwinn World Sport.
@TiberiusPaulSavu 3 роки тому
I still do around 3-4k km a year on my early '80s 10,5 kg Cilo equipped with a mix of old Altus (from back when it was the precursor to indexed shifting on road bikes, not the entry level MTB groupset we have today), Dura-Ace and 600. Out of my 6 bikes it's still my favourite. I bought it 15 years ago for the equivalent of 50 euros. It'll easily keep up in group rides and the road feel is simply great from my point of view. Quality old bikes may need restoring if you've not taken good care of them, what you're trying to do here is polish a turd... Still, it doesn't matter what you ride, as long as you go out and pedal, something people seem to have forgotten around here...
@shawnwalsh910 3 роки тому
Great idea. What a cool project! Awesome mash-up of old and new. And highlights the versatility and robustness of steel with the swapping out of the rear drop outs.
@fergusfitzgerald977 3 роки тому
Amazing work done here! I have restored a few retro bikes myself but usually fitted them with NOS (new old stock ) - which made things simpler ! I ride my retro bike a bit especially in the summer and often meet up with other retro fans on their bikes. To sum up - they were simpler more hard wearing and more robust but not as super slick as their modern equivalents !
@briansteele2723 3 роки тому
Alex seems a great addition but Manon seems to kill everyone on the bike while laughing at the same time 🤣
@webdca123 3 роки тому
While the build was cool, I’m more blown away at the shock that an old bike was ridden 100 miles! As is bikes made before 2010 could even do that.
@janusz0 3 роки тому
Yes it's a complete lie that I rode my '85 Claud Butler tourer, with mudguards and rear rack in the local century only 3 years ago! (My new Cinelli carbon "road bike" does it quicker on a dry day:)
@mikefule330 3 роки тому
Yes, it's silly. In the early 80s, I once did 200 miles in 24 hours on a 1970s "5 speed racer" with a mild steel frame and chromed steel rims. People used to ride long distance on penny farthings before the safety bike was invented. In those days, you rode the bike you had along the route you wanted to follow, and it was simple and fun.
@brian.d.mobley Рік тому
Absolutely fantastic! Im building a retro bike up right now and you’ve motivated me to go for the mods to add a disc Groupset.
@losti4223 3 роки тому
I think this video motivated me to retro fit my old Look Kg 171 carbon ! Nice job, cool viedo as always, keep on going !
@leadsled213 3 роки тому
In Texas, FB Marketplace and Craigslist are loaded with retro bikes for sale. The climate tends to keep them in pretty good shape.
@MariBK1 3 роки тому
Love to see GCN going Neo Retro! Would have a loved a little bit more explanation and detail on the brazing of the disc mounts, coldsetting the frame etc. How about testing it against a modern frame with similar components?
@mrrodriguezHLP 3 роки тому
I updated my 1999 Trek 2300 with Campagnolo Potenza 11 and Fulcrum wheels. I also got rid of the quill stem, got a threadless adapter with a Deda stem and compact handlebars. Originally my plan was to slowly build a new bike, and continue to ride the 2300 on newer components. I'd purchase the frame last. Unfortunately, with the quarantine bike boom, supply of frames are low and prices are high, but I love my bike as is, and it's fun to ride.
@jamiebriggs7469 3 роки тому
I've done very similar over lockdown. Had a 70s 531 frame knocking about for a few years, I've updated it with DT Swiss wheels, a mix of sram force and rival 22 gearing, carbon seatpost, handlebars and crankset. Whole thing comes in under 9kg with pedals
@ldavid2 3 роки тому
Bike designers: we reinforced the non-drive side of the fork and chainstays to withstand the forces generated by disc brake calipers GCN: We're just gonna weld some disc brake mounts on an ancient rim brake frame
@cccpkingu 3 роки тому
Guess how many forks broke back in the day? Now consider the situation with forks that have disc brakes. Nothing about that design is on the limit of weight to strength, and you can easily strengthen it after adding mounts.
@ronmatthews1738 3 роки тому
@@cccpkingu It has nothing to do with strength to weight ratio. Disc brakes put far more stress on frames, forks and wheels. A number of manufacturers have had to recall disc forks because they were at risk of failure despite being much stronger than rim brake forks. If you examine a steel disc brake fork you will see it is very big and very heavy in comparison to steel rim brake forks. If this Triumph has just been modified by welding on disc brake mounts it is not safe. I hope a rider doesn't find out the hard way.
@kyle8952 3 роки тому
@@ronmatthews1738 Exactly. Funny thing, triumph bikes were rebranded raleighs, this a fairly cheap one from the early 80s with a frame and fork shared across zillions of models. I've seen someone bend the fork in four places with drums, so god knows what a few hard pulls on a disc brake will do.
@JaccoSW 3 роки тому
@@kyle8952 90mm drum brakes + compressionless housing can offer very similar braking performance to disc brakes, albeit with a very different lever feel. And yeah, I've seeen the same pictures.
@pedroagrela1910 3 роки тому
I wonder what Si and Dan would have to say on the GCN Show if this “neighbor project” was submitted for the “Hack/Bodge” section. 😂🤣
@schwangster 3 роки тому
Definitely a bodge.
@StuckOnAFireHydrant 3 роки тому
@@schwangster I'd say it would depend on the amount of zip ties used. > 5 then it's a bodge lmao
@charlesdudek7713 2 роки тому
Love these retro bike upgrades. I know disc brakes are generally better, especially in wet weather but some rim brakes are pretty darn good. I just sold my 1996 GT Arette and if you weren't careful those rim brakes could put you over the handlebars. Enjoyable video.
@ogiedee5289 3 роки тому
I would like to see Manon do 100 miles on this bike and hear her comments.
@icouldntthinkofagoodname7216 3 роки тому
I'm a simple man. I just wanna see Manon
@Shmack_ 3 роки тому
@@icouldntthinkofagoodname7216 hell I'm a married man and I would just like to see mannon 🤣
@cccpkingu 3 роки тому
It is a sponsored show. They sell modern junk. The presenter thinks disc brakes and carbon fibre wasn't around to give you some idea of the ineptitude.
@aberdeenal3234 3 роки тому
Hack or Bodge...it's a Hack from me but hold on I got a mate to weld....
@tonymc90 3 роки тому
Why go for the hassle of discs over a good set of rim brakes? This would be something most enthusiasts could tackle.
@DaveCM 3 роки тому
I agree with that. Modern rim brakes would be a massive improvement over the brakes that were on it. They weren't even very good brakes for their time.
@KeithHeinrich 3 роки тому
We happened to have this SRAM disc brake groupset under the workbench (as you do)...
@tomahoks 3 роки тому
Rim brakes, pffft.
@gazonatrike7005 3 роки тому
the change from 27" to 700c would be problematic for a decent set of rim brakes without some frame work anyways. Too deep a drop.
@HaloTupolev 3 роки тому
@@gazonatrike7005 It usually isn't. The difference in radius is only 4mm; most bikes built for 27" wheels can be "converted" to 700c by merely adjusting the brake pads downward in the slots. In the cases where they can't, you can usually address the issue by changing out the brake.
@Herbster71 3 роки тому
Proper retro mod! Gives me ideas for my raleigh record sprint.
@Woopigmavs 3 роки тому
Not quite as old as this rebuild, but I have a 1997 cannondale CAD3 that I have replaced everything on besides frame, fork, and wheels. I put a new tiagra groupset, modern handlebar, and new tires, and the bike pretty much feels new. Love seeing these projects on GCN!
@TGRacing 3 роки тому
So, that would be a 'no' then. If you mean without chopping the frame to bits and welding in new components. Red eTap could be fitted to a rim braked bike.
@jamesetheridge6224 3 роки тому
Some nice chrome cable clamps instead of zip ties on the downtube would have looked great. Also, I think that taking it to a frame builder for welding removed the 'you can do this at home' aspect of the video.
@matthewsanders6499 2 місяці тому
Hanging in the workshop it looks absolutely rad and out on the road seems like its a real pleasure.
@taavinen 3 роки тому
Great video and something I’ve considered myself. Nice work Alex 👌🏼
@mukunzahoffmann639 3 роки тому
Love the disc conversion but could you have but bartape on, instead of just the old foam grips. That was just a twitch in my eye, but beautiful build and nice to see that sort of content. ♥️👌
@sarcodiauk2921 3 роки тому
The problem you have is that you’ve started with a very poor retro frame which would never have been any good to race/ride in the first place. You should have got a genuine thoroughbred retro race bike and then put modern bits onto it for a proper comparison
@xXcangjieXx 2 роки тому
And rim brakes instead of ruining a good frame.
@larsfrandsen2501 Рік тому
Agree!
@thomasdobson3823 3 роки тому
The welding for disc brakes wasn’t necessary. There are still some good modern rim brakes ....
@henkdevrjes9640 3 роки тому
Entering a world of pain, as modern wheels are ever so slightly smaller than their classic counterparts... So rim brakes can be difficult to fit with modern wheels
@thomasdobson3823 3 роки тому
@@henkdevrjes9640 old forks might not take the stress points of discs... My fixie got converted from 700c to 26 inch wheels and yes ... the brakes were a problem.... which was resolved by buying long reach calipers ... also managed to put a derailleur as too many hills ... 😄...
@noptimized 3 роки тому
Rim brake roll call! Where’s my “modern downtube shifters” crew at?! Smh. The most interesting part of this video was seeing how a disc brake conversion might perform.
@HaloTupolev 3 роки тому
@@henkdevrjes9640 27" wheels are only 4mm larger in radius than 700c. On most older bikes, the conversion can be made by simply adjusting the height of the brake pads in the slots. When this isn't adequate or possible, it's usually possible to solve the issue by changing out the brake. Also, many road bikes from back in the day came with tubulars that have exactly the same brake track position as 700c wheels, and so there's no issue to begin with. And of course there are a few old road bikes that just came with 700c wheels to begin with, like my 1979 Fuji America.
@coffeepot3123 3 роки тому
@@henkdevrjes9640 Far from it, a simple google search and you'll find New Old-Stock wheels.
@LeesChannel 3 роки тому
Probably 15 years ago I actually took my custom 1982 Panasonic bike to my LBS and asked them to just get rid of the tension shifters and rim brakes, I was tired of dealing with their issues, just take it down to the frame and build up with modern tech and disk breaks, no matter the cost. They proceeded to tell me that rim breaks are better, make no sense for a road bike, and if I wanted new components I should just buy a new bike. I walked away from my LBS disappointed and upset and continued to live with the same crappy issues (chain derailing, brakes shifting and rubbing, not enough gear range, etc.) for years. As I learned more about bikes however, I realized that they were right in respect to it being better for me to just get a new bike. The things I wanted on the bike were not compatible with a vintage bike, and that wasn't explained to me at the time. I also found out recently that I had bought that vintage bike (which my girlfriend at the time who worked at the shop insisted was an "amazing deal" for days until I finally gave in and bought it) was actually far less valuable than I thought it was. Even new in 1982 it was half what I paid for it.
@trroland1248 3 роки тому
Didn’t show enough of the modification on the fork to install disc brake mounts. That aspect would have me more worried.
@Kuriketto 3 роки тому
Folding like a bad hand of cards.
@donk115 3 роки тому
This was and is still, all I can think about.
@ZOB4 3 роки тому
Nice! Probably a blast to ride. One question - why did you go through all that effort, and then leave the bar tape in that state?
@keithkelley1436 3 роки тому
Sure, there's the "Why would you..", "Just call your neighborhood frame builder.." etc comments. All true. But hey...I love that someone shows this. I've run through 5 dozen retro disasters to put them back on the road as actual AFFORDABLE bikes for people who think $300 is outta reach. Kudos for showing what someone will sooner or later ask me to do for them.
@VladislavDryomov 3 роки тому
Wow! This is your best video, great bike as well ✌️
@SunnyJim93 3 роки тому
I've been riding a 90's Reynolds steel Raleigh Special Products Division frame built with modern Ultegra for the last 6 months and its brilliant. Maybe not as fast as a modern aero bike but so comfortable on bad roads.
@Biking360 3 роки тому
I recently built up a 1984 Colnago Profil CX frame and out on a relatively modern group set and wheels. It rides like a dream and feels much smoother than my Trek Reminds SL6.
@johnsmithers284 2 роки тому
Same with my 90 RB-2 with Ultegra
@JibbaJabber 3 роки тому
This is hilariously stupid. Mannon's face will be priceless when you hand it back😂
@jerryavalos9610 2 роки тому
Blending modern components to retro steel frames is vastly becoming a popular trend. Many prefer the ride of quality steel which is comfortable and it soaks up road shock quite well, particular an Italian frame. You can get a good old steel frame, clean it up, spread the rear stays to 130mm which you can on a steel bike and begin the process. I have a Tomassini Italian frame which I am planning on doing just that.
@VisnitchiRaul 3 роки тому
Oh! That type of hub works. Thank you!
@paolobramucci3609 3 роки тому
Now, I am interested in having Manon, re ride that 100 mile root and give her review of the bike and how the two rides compare.
@mimax45 3 роки тому
This channel really feels like "hey let's do what we did already but this time without Jon."
@Ziess1 2 роки тому
I did something sort of similar with an 80s Norco Monterey. Swapped the frictions for a 9 speed indexed downtube and a triple at the front. Brakes were the same and are okay.
@dugldoo Рік тому
Just got in from a ride on the mid 70s 10 kg classic I bought new. It's had great care so looks and rides like new, all original except a smaller inner chain ring. The brakes are sharp, the friction shifting is smooth, the original leather seat is a delight, and it's safe. The Triumph never was a great bike and hadn't been well cared for. No wonder Manon found it so challenging. It would be crazy to do these modifications to a high quality classic.
@nwbudro9210 3 роки тому
As an owner of a few unimproved retro-bikes, I'd like to have seen some of the details about conversion process especially the difficulties. I think you should do another upgrade but keep it simple (i.e. rim brakes) and what could be done in a normal garage by a non-professional mechanic.
@johne6081 2 роки тому
There is nothing wrong with rim brakes. You need aluminum rims (assumed), KoolStop pads, and modern low-compression, low-friction cable housings. For an additional 15% leverage, use aero levers.
@rhobson 2 роки тому
@@johne6081 wrong, there's plenty of carbon wheels for rim brakes available out there.
@tomturobin-harrington9064 3 роки тому
After clearly having some nervs in his early videos Alex has really settled in now and is producing some great content, like his sense of humour as well
@Biking360 3 роки тому
Agreed. Getting used to a camera is tricky put he's now starting to put out some great content.
@spikev5842 3 роки тому
you mean ... other than this one?!
@flyinglego34 3 роки тому
I’ve put over 3,400 miles on a Schwinn Continental II, I’ve done a cheaper ‘modernization’ kept with rim brakes but upgraded them, kept the old wheelset, upgraded from 5 speed friction shifting, to indexed 6 speed, some unbranded generic deep section alloy rims 700c and have swapped the handlebars for some Nitto bars, and lastly, converted the one-piece bottom bracket to a 3pc BMX bottom bracket, reused the original chainrings because they are made of timeless hardened cromoly steel! At the end of the build as it is so far, I’ve gotten two KOMs on it and have enjoyed every single mile on it, and it is absolutely worth the investment I’ve put on it.
@SkYsLiDeR9000 2 роки тому
I bought a racer to go to work on when I was in my mid twenties. I still have it. About 8 years ago I upgraded all the running gear with modern stuff. It's a bit heavy, yeah. I still ride it. I'm 62 now.
@RupertFear 3 роки тому
Retrofitting discs to an old fork may not be a good idea. They wern't designed to be loaded in such a way....
@rollinrat4850 3 роки тому
Frame builders ought to know better than to do this to an old non-reinforced fork. But I doubt there's many big mountains in England.... road bikes don't 'need' discs anyways. I never 'needed' them in 50 years of riding and racing pavement or dirt, on ALL sorts of bikes. Then again, I'm well aware of what that front brake is used for. From what I've seen, lots of my customers haven't a clue. Discs might be a welcome improvement if you ride in the rain lots. But rim brakes never 'slowed me down' and I ride all the time. Every day in fact. Haha! Discs are a means to market and sell new bikes. Since I wrench on road hydros at work almost every day, Ive realized they could be far better. MTB hydros are awesome and perfected. That's all I need and will spend my money on for now. Marketing BS in the bike world has no different rules than any other industry. 'There's a sucker born every minute!'
@rollinrat4850 3 роки тому
@Hunter Kelley Chris Froome is only 'justifying' what many mechanics such as myself have been complaining about every since road discs came about. Maybe now the manufacturers will wise up and make good changes. Knowing the industry, I'm very skeptical.
@llandor 3 роки тому
thank god you had someone professional doing the frame modifications, the preview showing the Dremel made me skeptical...
@thelonesculler 3 роки тому
I saw that and instantly screamed "BODGE"
@Pionirish 3 роки тому
@@thelonesculler getting your mate to modify it is an automatic bodge isn't it?
@rollinrat4850 3 роки тому
Whoever did THIS to this frame was not professional!IRRESPONSIBLE is more like it. So is GCN for showcasing this abortion. This frame is now weaker and the fork is a REAL safety issue. Talk to any COMPETENT frame builder. This is a bad joke that's not funny. I love old steel frames custom built, cheap or even free! Ive owned, thrashed and raced many. Id never ever do this to an old frame or ride one that was and I know the right way to go about it.
@malcolmbernays5223 3 роки тому
That was a little overboard. I converted a1983 colnago frame a mechanical ulregra group set. And 50 mm carbon wheels beautiful to ride . Modern rim brakes are good and weighs only 8.7 kg, a more realistic convertion
@s.j.5850 2 роки тому
Smart man. You didn't buy into the hype. Nothing like modernizing something old to still be enjoyable to ride.
@Tomv944 3 роки тому
Good fun this, these sort of projects are nice to do.
@77mikerob 3 роки тому
Maybe Tom could have welded some cable guides on there while he was at it!
@thelonesculler 3 роки тому
Can you? Yes. But I think the more important question is should you?
@tsc4842 3 роки тому
No
@chrisvanbuggenum871 3 роки тому
If it keeps it from the bin and keeps it being ridden, then i think yes. Its no Colnago or Wilier, no one would have cared if that bike never saw the light of day again.
@testdirver 2 роки тому
doing this to my "modern" bike entry level and trust me the performance and ridding joy its huge, sadly a part upgrade every month maybe 2 but this its last time i buy a bike, the best way its to build it
@eragon2262 Рік тому
I've got a 1970s model Motobecane that I replaced all of the cables, handle grips and put new gator skin tires on. But the brakes are still the originals and absolutely couldn't stop anything quickly. I was thinking about updating the brakes so its good to know that its not impossible. I also like some other comments about just getting newer brakes to go on so I might try that approach first. Thanks for the video!
@enriquevallano3049 2 місяці тому
Hi eragon, I recently restored a gitane 1979 and all you need to look for are nutted brakes and at least 50mm drop. Unless you want to modify the frame to fit not nutted brakes,
@viryapratama7538 3 роки тому
Well, curious to know the end weight of that built, 12kgs? Or less?
@Pionirish 3 роки тому
Probably yes as the frame is still heavy. A lightweight 531 frame and it would be closer to 10kg
@hogdog567 3 роки тому
No, definitely less than 10, probably closer to 9.
@TomsTenorHorn 3 роки тому
Hi Virya ... not sure about this particular steel frame but my Ellis Briggs 653 weighs in at 1.6 kgs for the frame and 0.65 kgs for the forks .. so only around a kilogram heavier than built with a carbon fibre frame, not such a big difference really.
@Pionirish 3 роки тому
@@TomsTenorHorn this is a regular cro-mo so probably double the weight of a 653
@gazonatrike7005 3 роки тому
still left the steel seat post and handlebars, loads left to to update but it was a pants bike to start with, watch the pressed fork crown with that extra braking effort.
@DanuelNuel 3 роки тому
Ok there is two most difficult things when you modernize old junkers. 1. Rear shifter hanger - often bend, imprecise and integrate with frame. You skip this problem with welding - I guess is the best way. 2. BB shell - often in ancient thompson standard. So you need to botch really hard.
@BlueTrane2028 7 місяців тому
Man... ride old bikes to enjoy them as they were, ride new bikes to enjoy them as they are. Just grabbed a 1975 Schwinn Varsity (common in the US). It's a 40+ pound (18+kg) road bike with a 2x5 all friction group and everything is heavy steel. Somehow, I love it.
@coreyallert1482 3 роки тому
Would have been good to do some acceleration/braking tests before and after
@matthiaswuest7271 3 роки тому
Couldn't have sandblasted and repainted it before building it up? Missed opportunity imo
@KcarlMarXs 3 роки тому
Paint is more expensive than the frame itself. The frame is work jack
@chineseviking 3 роки тому
@@KcarlMarXs he sent it off for custom welding, added all kinds of expensive upgrades too, it doesn't say anywhere he's trying to save money
@spikev5842 3 роки тому
... and you're thinking the top end components are there to stay??? (😂🤣😅) my money's on - all that expensive stuff is back in the boxes and sitting on the shop shelves by the time the post production guys started syncing the audio 😁😃😆 (and hoping the Big Guy forgets about taking the torch to that frame again ... and gets to avoid the rest of us asking - "What was the point of this ... again?" )
@noelmedrano9267 3 роки тому
Yes! Keep the retro mods coming!
@vaughanbbrean71 Рік тому
I have kind of done this myself with an old 531 steel framed Dawes but I have done it gradually as things wore out, what I have now is a great bike that I am completely happy with and use every day, in my case I replaced the old canti brakes with some V brakes (super cheap to do), Index brake/shift levers which work fine with the Vee brakes and it will take a really wide or a really skinny tyre depending on what I want to do, I seem to get along pretty fast on it even compared with mates on £5000 road bikes, I am not a fan of spending money on fancy bikes 🙂
@charng 3 роки тому
how heavy is this revamped version now?
@luukrutten1295 3 роки тому
This was never a racing frame.... so it was always going to handle like a wet noodle under power. Good components or not. If you get a retro bike and you want to really use it. Get the top of the range racing spec steel stuff. At least 531 competition tubing. And also and the later the better. Late 80s and 90s steel is infenitely much better than this will ever be. This is some old clunky randonneur frame. It will never be a racing bred bike...
@Pionirish 3 роки тому
Exactly this. A frame made from old gas pipe will always feel like a frame made from gas pipe. Do this to a proper lightweight frame and it'll be a world apart. Then again, a proper lightweight frame with decent vintage components wouldn't have felt so bad in the first place!
@bjtena 3 роки тому
What do you want from an steel frame, flexibilty or hardness? And remember, the weight doesn't mean the end of the world folks.
@zeetzy7447 3 роки тому
stop it purist
@b145701s 3 роки тому
Well I've got a 80s road bike with new and updated brakes, wheels and tires etc but the groupset is Shimano exage 300 (2x7). It's not pure race bike but heck if it's fun to drive long distance with.. compared to my race bike it always puts a smile on my face which is the most important bit
@BruceChastain 3 роки тому
Very cool. Looking forward to the frame mods
@holden_tld 3 роки тому
yeah i've got a late 70s sekai that i put new shimano 105 on, rim brake tho. i had to make little steel brackets to mount the calipers down lower so they'd reach on 700c wheels. i really like it, my fav ride.
@s.j.5850 2 роки тому
Saved a bunch of money too!
@npc4188 3 роки тому
now we need a GCN challenge with this new road machine :-)
@juliangrant3129 2 роки тому
Perhaps see how many miles you can do before the forks suffer a catastrophic failure & you end up with a potentially catastrophic injury. The rider should be the person who thought putting discs on was a good idea.
@mcclausky 3 роки тому
The previous project where they transform a USPS trek is definitely more interesting. Plus, you're saddle's too low.
@barryboullon481 3 роки тому
I have enjoyed the multiple videos you have created comparing retro bikes with modern bikes. Obviously technology and performance has progressed and will continue in that direction undoubtedly. Being an owner of high quality vintage steel frame bicycles as well as very modern and technologically updated custom steel frame bicycles, I can also attest to the progression of the performance and quality of modern steel frame bicycles. For me, a comparison of a modern bike made of modern materials against a modern made high-quality steel frame bike would be a far more interesting comparison. Something like a Breadwinner Lolo adorned with all the latest and greatest accoutrements, for example.
@biamarconchi 3 роки тому
Alex, great project! I have a Ridley with only front thru axle and I just love it. Can I convert my rear QR to thru axle?
@rosson1983 3 роки тому
Is this Trigger’s bike? (One for fans of Only Fools and Horses there)
@C345OFR 2 роки тому
No, it's Theseus’
@ChadPenoyer 2 роки тому
Great video, I'm going to try similar retro build. I will be using pincher brakes though, do not know how to weld. Will any drivetrain groupset work? Or do you recommend specific?
@tigerv88 3 роки тому
Alex presenting quite a lot of content recently, has Ollie been “dropped”??
@scottcampbell4429 3 роки тому
No, they are just going to make you pay to see the first tier presenters. 😒
@edmundscycles1 3 роки тому
@@scottcampbell4429 ollie.....first tier ? Nah he's just a sales person .
@Boopop1024 3 роки тому
Uhoh, the eroica police will be after GCN now!
@gcntech 3 роки тому
🤣
@Pionirish 3 роки тому
Clipless pedals. Disqualified before the start line.
@Wildschwein_Jaeger 3 роки тому
The jury is already assembled.
@thebrowns5337 3 роки тому
No, they're all out riding putting miles in on bikes older than this presenter and just cracking on with it.
@wmlarch 3 роки тому
Nice, I've taken an old Ron Cooper and put carbon tubies with Campy 10 , comes in at 18lbs it rides like a dream!
@maxsotelo1089 3 роки тому
My bike is a Frankenstein as well. I just put on Claris groupset on the old frame. Kept the downtube shifters and I still use the dia compe brakes but with an STI so basically the downtube shifters are just there for show lol
@jamesscott8677 3 роки тому
Would be nice to know the cost of these changes, including the welding...?
@cccpkingu 3 роки тому
Less than the trash you can buy from big brands.
@EmmanBerns 3 роки тому
Just like my roadbike. Classic with modern groupset!
@somersetshep2701 10 місяців тому
Upgraded my 40yr old raleigh magnum to modern shimano and modern brakes (tektro). It's a great ride.
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