Can Modern Drone Swarms Be Shot Down Cost Effectively? | DCS
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День томуWith huge Shahed drone attacks like we saw from Iran against Israel on 13th April this year becoming a modern type of strike, how can the US and her allies find an affordable way to stop these drone swarms before they ever get near their targets? We investigate the use of AGR-20 APKWS from fixed wing aircraft.
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0:00 Overview
2:56 Scenario Details
4:14 Attempt With AIM-120 AMRAAM & AIM-9 Sidewinder
9:39 Attempt With AGR-20 APKWS II
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@MarvinCZ 13 днів тому
Detail: The APKWS doesn't add a seeker head. It adds a guidance unit behind the warhead, with seekers on the leading edges of the four canards.
@grimreapers 12 днів тому
I stand corrected :)
@cornbread5144 12 днів тому
The "Pentagon" Security Briefing featuring your video. General X: " So who are these Grim Reapers ..... I have a mission for them.... " Lieutenant : " I'm on it Sir..... "
@jasonespinoza5105 12 днів тому
When I was in the Air Force my pilot had let off an AMRAAM that came back at him. Luckily it didn't hit. We joked that if it had been a hit, he should be credited with the first air-to-air kill of an F-15E.
@alolanrichu1167 12 днів тому
How??
@hanrockabrand95 11 днів тому
@@alolanrichu1167 His pilot was Bond, and Alec Trevelyan modified the missile.
@cody1964 11 днів тому
Ill take ‘made that shit up’ for 200
@starexcelsior1135 12 днів тому
I love how literally right before this video was posted the Ukrainians used a Yak-52 with a rear gunner and a basic rifle to shoot down an Orlan-10 drone
@dexlab7539 11 днів тому
Wow the UAF is down to only YAK aircraft…ouch!
@vertigoalopolus 11 днів тому
@@dexlab7539 More that they are far more effective than jets at the same job. Who knew WW2 era planes would be useful again?
@georgecain22 10 днів тому
Cost effective and minimal expense
@roberthogan9273 13 днів тому
Very well done! Illustrates the versatility of the A-10 with specialized ordnance. This would be a great scenario for the Super Tucano or similar turboprop aircraft. Again, great work guys!
@hunterwyeth 12 днів тому
Iran out there doing work for A-10 stans 😂. I was also thinking about how the Sky Warden would fare. But you still need to intercept and drones can probably go really fast.
@topsecret1837 12 днів тому
You’re perfectly right about the super tucano being far more cost effective for this mission profile.
@BARACKOBMNANA 12 днів тому
P-51 comeback?
@paladamashkin8981 11 днів тому
@@BARACKOBMNANA the attack version was retired a while back, to open up the lines again you might as well use something like toucano, or any other coin aircraft in production
@kmrtnsn 10 днів тому
@@BARACKOBMNANAJust what would a dusty old tail dragged do that the A29A Super Tucano can’t do?
@zaneroskoph7460 12 днів тому
People were wondering why the US moved an A-10, rather than, say, an F-16, squadron into position to cover against drone attacks in the middle of October last year. This likely answers why.
@Decrepit_biker 12 днів тому
I like how Caps jet kept insulting him..... kept calling him "No Maverick " that's just mean 😂😂
@fuller9x 13 днів тому
Grim Reapers: How to run an Austerity Air Force or Coupon wars
@dexlab7539 11 днів тому
Ukraine is already doing that now 😂
@chefbink61 12 днів тому
The drone is a big problem for everyone. Like you say you'll go broke shooting them down with million dollar missiles. Plus using ship based systems are even more expensive since most ship have to go back to base to reload. Anyway you guys have way to much fun!! Love it!!
@battletacticsgaming9384 13 днів тому
The USA Intelligence community still wondering how DCS is so more accurate than their evaluations 😆
@hertzwave8001 13 днів тому
penis music
@Squirl513 12 днів тому
USA Intelligence community is not intelligent enough to make that evaluation.
@jooei2810 12 днів тому
If I remember correctly the owner of this channel was approached by US intelligence agency for his research and sources.
@teddypicker8799 12 днів тому
@@Squirl513they warned Russia about the terror attack though
@rebelroar78 12 днів тому
I remember when Cap tried sinking the Moskva with Neptun missiles and it only worked in stormy conditions. And then the simulation became even more plausible when it came out that the Moskva was being distracted by Bayraktars. Almost made me wonder if the Ukrainians used DCS to plan out the attack.
@Kevin-hb7yq 13 днів тому
It really is all about the friends you've made along the way
@grimreapers 12 днів тому
Agreed
@ArcticArrow7 13 днів тому
At night,without radar, using targeting pods and rockets would seem to be incredibly difficult if not impossible.
@grimreapers 12 днів тому
Agreed
@giacomo22101993 12 днів тому
@@grimreapers with the flir in night time should be easyer to individuate the drones?
@stupidburp 12 днів тому
Apache, TADS/PNVS, rocket pods, LOGIR. Night time no problem. Pilots see, rockets see, fire and forget.
@xpk0228 11 днів тому
they can lock the target with radar and transfer the targeting info to the pods.
@dexlab7539 11 днів тому
Add a few clouds and this would be impossible
@user-yy9hk9od9u 12 днів тому
The cheapest way to take on a drone swarm is with your own drone swarm.
@XAirForce 12 днів тому
Thanks! We need them thinking this way ❤
@j4s0n39 12 днів тому
Your friendly fire last time wasn't because of the missile type, it was because you flew in the middle of the swarm, firing in random directions. If you shot at them from outside the swarm, it would have been nearly impossible to shoot each other.
@danielfearn6076 13 днів тому
Shooting from side aspect is going to be hard because - from what I can tell from publicly available information - the APK guidance is not proportional, that is it tries to fly straight at the target. This works for non-moving ground targets but for air-to-air intercept from side aspect you need to instead aim for the intercept point ahead of the target.
@LtSqueak 12 днів тому
Which is why while you can do this type of air intercept, APKWS is really being pitched right now for ground to air point defense where side aspect should should be minimized. For example, on the L3 Harris VAMPIRE system.
@hanrockabrand95 11 днів тому
Feel free to correct me, but I imagine it wouldn't be so different from a laser-guided bomb intercepting a moving truck.
@danielfearn6076 11 днів тому
@@hanrockabrand95 The difference is the relative speeds. A truck going 30mph might as well be stationary relative to a rocket going 1500 mph. But a drone doing 150mph might start to become an issue
@LtSqueak 10 днів тому
@@danielfearn6076 @hanrockabrand95 And the speed issue is made even worse by the fact that these hydra rockets are effectively ballistic. A laser guided bomb will either be increasing in speed or at terminal velocity, which is always going to be a lot faster than anything on the ground. Hydra's have a short burn rocket motor that only lasts for a few seconds, and then it's an unpowered flight. Air-to-ground isn't that noticeable. But in air-to-air or ground-to-air your rocket is decelerating pretty much from the moment it leaves the tube.
@wmk4454 13 днів тому
I guess good offense is the best defense. Can't get attacked if you blow up all the enemy drone with your own drone
@TheJimprez 12 днів тому
YES! With directed EMP. You can widen or narrow the area affected and you can do it repeatedly, with an EMP 'cannon'... The ARMY has a patent on a piezo-electric EMP generator that is fixed to the end of rifles. One a little bigger would do, mounted on some mobile chassis, or even other drones, like hunter-killers..
@roentgen571 12 днів тому
I've wondered before about putting helicopter gunships in the air over the target, along the flight path of the drones, with stingers or the like, as a last-ditch backup for the short range SAMs and whatever those land-based CIWS guns are called, defending the target. It'd give one more shot at the leakers that got past the fighters and long range SAMs before having to rely on the close-in stuff. Being able to use Hydras like this would make Apaches and Cobras extra-handy in such a role.
@stupidburp 12 днів тому
Apache with rocket pods loaded with LOGIR.
@famousdave7219 11 днів тому
With very slight advancement in technology, that turns into a missile machine gun. 😮 Macross Missile Massacre ain't far off
@genenautilus451 12 днів тому
Northrop Grumman claims it developed a self guided 57mm shell designed exactly for this purpose. Claims to be effective against drone aircraft, land and sea vehicles. And would be even cheaper to use. They have a youtube video on it.
@dexlab7539 11 днів тому
Yup, probably $1M per round LOL
@darrellhartanto4428 13 днів тому
UKposts seems eager to shut down videos about weapons, wargames and warfare but cannot do anything against these bots...
@AdamWalkLikeSuicide 13 днів тому
Don't you love learning and growing alongside fellow women?
@Allan_aka_RocKITEman 12 днів тому
I was watching a live stream of *STELLAR BLADE* last night and spamming bots kept popping up in the chat...🤦♂️
@beardedchimp 12 днів тому
Bit harsh to hold youtube accountable for not having a cost effective method to defeat Iranian drones, even the military industrial complex struggles against cheap bots.
@AdamWalkLikeSuicide 12 днів тому
@@beardedchimp that's not what they were referring to, my dude.
@TabTa6 12 днів тому
@beardedchimp see what u did there
@John_SlideRule_Bullay 12 днів тому
I heard about these from a co-worker. Cool to see them work in theory. Great mission guys! Video Valued by Valued Viewer - Fly Army! 🚁
@Aikibiker1 12 днів тому
I believe in the US tests of APKWS for drone/cruise missile defense, the targeting pod was slaved to the aircraft (an F-16) radar.
@nevisstkitts8264 11 днів тому
Newer pods enable cooperative engagement. Thus the F16 observer can have the APKWS from the A10 truck engage designated targets.
@James31USFPoly 13 днів тому
Love your content! ----- Bully: I’m gonna keep throwing rocks at you till you go bankrupt blocking them Me: ok but if you keep this up, I’m going to remove your ability to throw rocks. Bully: but then you’ll be the bully Me: I do not think that means, what you think that means
@Stinger522 12 днів тому
The missiles may be more expensive than the drones, but they are still cheaper than the damage those drones would've inflicted if they reached their targets. The of intercepting the drones can also be offset by interdicting their launchers.
@mirshitin1775 12 днів тому
The only thing I missed was some BRRRRRT on them drones
@tanksoldier 12 днів тому
This is actually the perfect role for an air force’s training squadrons. Trainers flown by instructor pilots, like the L39 etc, would be an inexpensive way of not committing first line aircraft to this mission.
@christophero55 12 днів тому
You would have to include the cost of operating the A-10 or whatever launch platform you are using along with the cost of the APKWS rockets. If you used a mix of low cost launch platforms (A-10s instead of 4th gen fighters, COIN type prop airplanes and of course other drones which can launch rockets) you would still significantly lower the cost of shooting down the attacking suicide drones.
@just_another_guy_on_the_in566 12 днів тому
This application seems ideal and genuinely plausible for military turboprop aircraft like any of the various trainers or even the modified military C208 Caravans.
@douglasjohnson9165 12 днів тому
Additionally, a drones could use something like an M203 and shoot a grenade at it. Maybe a proximity fuse and a small rocket on it. RAM Grenade. Rocket Assisted Munition. A Hawkeye or AWAC could run it.
@hugeinjapan4635 12 днів тому
Can't wait to see those rocket pods fitted to Reapers. Thhought experiment: Wall of Reapers armed with pods operated by AI being deployed against shahed drone swarms. Damn .... I'll be in my bunk
@marcosavila8215 12 днів тому
I have faith that ED will partner with PMDG to help doing planes like the C5 Galaxy b52, B-2, c-130 , KC130 tanker or awacs, that would be perfect for DCS and bring those pilots in MSFS that love just to fly these kind of planes and not fighter fighters, everyone would have a role, missions could become epic with everyone participating in these attacks, Missions could be so more complex with these support logistic planes, we know ED is bringing ORBX for the scenery and that's a huge step, imagine having the C5 module flown by real users and not AI, i keep dreaming but i believe
@marchuvfulz 10 днів тому
Gotta remember that part of the cost calculation is the value of what you're defending. If you spend $20m to shoot down drones costing $500k, but prevent $100m of damage and save 50 lives, is that a bad bargain?
@yindyamarra 12 днів тому
4 am and grim reapers have a new vid, Good way to start my day
@garethwhite4629 12 днів тому
When there is an incoming time on target attack with drones, ballistic and cruise missiles, friendly air defences need to be hot. With drones being slow moving \ early launch, the engagement betwen plane and drone can be at distance, but friendly and enemy air defences being active/deactive need to play a key par tin this type of combat.
@u9Nails 13 днів тому
Good content! Right up to the end!
@SR-lo8yg 12 днів тому
with a little back of the napkin math it would have cost about as much to shoot them down with the gau-8. Assuming $136/round, 65 rounds a second and assuming a .33 sec burst to shoot the slow non maneuvering target, $2946 in shells. one hydra rocket (without laser attachment) is $2800
@malek2525 12 днів тому
I suggest trying again this same scenario but with slower planes. The A29 Super Tucano is widely used in Brazil for intercepting single-engine aircraft. They could be a viable alternative vector for shooting down drones with low-cost conventional weapons.
@stupidburp 12 днів тому
Apache
@malek2525 12 днів тому
@@stupidburp It would be great to see the Apache in the test as well. But I think speed can be a determining factor. The Apache reaches a maximum of 300 km/h, while the A29 Super Tucano can reach 600 km/h. In terms of intercepting multiple targets, this could be a determining factor.
@emfournet 12 днів тому
This is a very relevant video! I have no doubt the generals and admirals are asking themselves the same questions! Good work.
@davidgermain 12 днів тому
that new US ground attack crop duster, with these pods many of them. running patrols. even cheaper or a bronco for the sim
@GatorAaron 10 днів тому
Always some awesome solutions! Keep it up y'all! Works with soft tops too!
@berniethejet 12 днів тому
Very important analysis!
@wilson2455 12 днів тому
as Ukraine demonstrated, mass produced $500 drones (with the right armament e.g. $100 motar round) can disable or destroy a $10M tank or $150M missile/radar system, not to mention the psychological effect on Russian troops. Regardless of how you do it, simply stopping the drones before they reach there intended targets ($1B LPG/crude oil tanker) is very cost effective.
@svensvensson2724 12 днів тому
Russia has more cheap drones and glide bombs that destroy more. Abrams tanks were just removed from front line service because they get destroyed easily. You need to rethink whose morale is getting effected.
@wilson2455 12 днів тому
@@svensvensson2724 firstly, that last sentence makes no sense. Secondly, Ukraine, a very small country compared to the MIGHT (cough cough) of Russia, basically invented, very quickly I might add, the use of low cost drones to inflict maximum damage on Russian equipment & soldiers. Putin's 72 hour invasion & takeover of Ukraine is well into its 2nd year with Russia's Black Sea fleet in tatters & barely a dent into Ukraine's sovereign soil. p.s. NATO IS NOW 10 X STRONGER.
@svensvensson2724 12 днів тому
@@wilson2455 None of that made sense.
@pappytron 13 днів тому
Hey Cap...could you guys try this again, using the A-10's or like aircraft...but using guns instead of rockets. Sort of like an airborne Phallynx maybe?? Thanks for the vids. (please pardon the spelling. I'm laid up after shoulder surgery, and trying hard to relearn 1-handed typing...hehehe)
@grimreapers 12 днів тому
Def possible.
@toddbrewer683 11 днів тому
Well done boys. This is quite a fluid moment.
@giovannifontanetto9604 13 днів тому
It's interesting how the taxpayer participates in all conflicts
@Lew_in_Renton 12 днів тому
It's also interesting how many in congress own stock in weapons manufacturing companies and how much every military aid package sent increases their bank accounts.
@valuedhumanoid6574 12 днів тому
We always have since the beginning.
@VincentNajger1 12 днів тому
I wonder what the actual real world manufacturing cost of those modern missiles are, compared to what they charge the military? I bet it's in the thousands rather than hundreds of thousands. And it's not the R&D, coz we give Boeing and Raytheon etc billion dollar grants for that. Those same drones with a 'Made in USA' sticker would immediately pump the price to a couple million each I suspect lol.
@peacefultyranny8981 11 днів тому
@@VincentNajger1 R&D cost is hard to gather from the outside, but comparing to the price the Chinese and Russians are exporting, which already included their profit, our's are still at least 5 times more expensive. And some specific equipments like ATACMS are over 20 times more expensive.
@gaelheng277 12 днів тому
APKWS with proximity fuse would be great.
@grimreapers 12 днів тому
Yeh they need that.
@two-eyedRoy 12 днів тому
@@grimreapers Seems it's been done (2021 according to wiki, just before 'Specs") but dunno if implemented or just tested. APKWS is minor guidance, like a GBU head, rather than large manouvres/chasing type deal like AAMs yes-yes?
@lavellemf 12 днів тому
DARK! Love the livery! Can you tell us where your Betsy Ross is tonight? Will she share her secrets?
@riphopfer5816 13 днів тому
This was beautiful to watch. The rockets are very cool; shame they’re so difficult to fire accurately.
@grimreapers 12 днів тому
Yeh they are hard to use like this.
@adamchalmers8378 12 днів тому
martlet missile is made for air target and is about 30k each
@exAirMover 13 днів тому
What about a WW2 style fighter to take out drones cheaply. A Bronco or Tucano (or similar) with guns.
@Tcuel 12 днів тому
Ukraine already did that today : )
@lanceroparaca1413 12 днів тому
T-6 with gin pods
@Raptor1970 12 днів тому
No spoiler intro…..good, Thankyou.
@dexlab7539 11 днів тому
Yes! I don’t like spoiler intros either
@michaeldenesyk3195 12 днів тому
So you are asking a question about taking down drones cheaply and if it can be done, when that is exactly what has been done. Forget the cost of the weapons, there is also maintenance cost for extra flight hours, jet fuel, ship fuel, add every cost that goes into keeping an aircraft airworthy and you already have a cost for doing business. The French recently posted a video of a French helicopter taking down a Houthi drone with machine gun fire.
@bamafan-in-OZ 12 днів тому
Meanwhile Monday morning RAF HQ meeting will be like, Sir we need to restart Harrier GR.3 production for drone defence. Where's your research? I present to you the Grim Reapers, just don't watch the last 2 min Sir.
@SuperAd1980 12 днів тому
I need to learn A10c2... keep putting it off/ getting sidetracked with other pretty (i can fly the huey now 👍)
@alasdairwhyte6616 12 днів тому
the solution is locate production, storage, launch sites, and then controlling authorities.
@rmp5s 12 днів тому
Dark's livery is out-friggin-standing. 🇺🇲
@stupidburp 12 днів тому
LOGIR is more appropriate than APKWS for countering swarms. Stinger are another option. Laser guided missiles are going to require too much fiddling for each target, especially with hundreds of targets. IR and other imaging guidance that is fire and forget is much better for swarms. They are also a bit cheaper. The downside is that they have some risk of locking onto unintended targets. Thus they are best used over water, desert, or fields to avoid collateral damage. The launching platforms should also maintain sufficient spacing and headings to avoid friendly fire.
@stupidburp 12 днів тому
The Korean version of LOGIR is in production as KLOGIR and cost the equivalent of about $32,000 each.
@jooei2810 12 днів тому
A-10 is a beautiful plane!
@electrolysisresearch8013 10 днів тому
A hellfire missile cost around $75,000, And a Air to air stinger from a drone cost $25,000.
@edmorris1437 12 днів тому
I wonder which legacy aircraft currently baking in the Arizona storage facility would be most suited to be repurposed as a drone hunter.
@adaa60 12 днів тому
I think they should use Older WW2 style and similar slow flying dog fight planes for the drones, they would be able to get them all using ballistic ammunition and a fraction of even this cost in both aircraft use & Ammo
@davidbird874 9 днів тому
Strategy of aerial warfare will continue to adapt to take into account the tactic of launching large swarms to absorb SAM/Air to Air defensive measures.
@jacobblumberg6299 12 днів тому
At a quick glance, the thumbnail almost looks like an A10 with a couple of pontoons strapped to the bottom xD
@chrisstopher2277 12 днів тому
Great work. Whenever I open yourube usually your in my top 3 of recommendations. I do watch a lot of your videos though. Can you customize IL2 battles?
@grimreapers 12 днів тому
yes BUT it's a lot harder.
@LukeBunyip 13 днів тому
Just noticed Simba's livery... LOL
@steffenjespersen247 9 днів тому
Great video. Low Cost & Mass produced anti drone weapons is the way to go.
@j4s0n39 12 днів тому
The APKWS in DCS is also great against helicopters, because they won't go for flares like a sidewinder will.
@cyberkalak8093 12 днів тому
try to mix drones with a few Object-358 missiles
@valuedhumanoid6574 12 днів тому
Is this mod available for download? I don't see a link in your description. This concept is so brilliant. I was expecting an aerial version of the Iron Dome when I saw the title. This is almost as good. And yes, an AESA radar would be a HUGE buff to this system.
@grimreapers 11 днів тому
There is no mod used here.
@tylerwolfbenbow День тому
@@grimreapersif there is no mod used here, then how are you getting the kills, weapons used, and taxpayer cost at the top right of the screen? I would love to have that for my game play. Could you do a video explaining how to get that?
@1984Phalanx 4 дні тому
That runway will need resurfacing now!
@tylerwolfbenbow 2 дні тому
Love the content. How did you get the stats on the top right of the screen? I would love to have that.
@SR-lo8yg 11 днів тому
it would also be super interesting to see if these can be wing tipped like how the spitfire took out the v1!
@BCSchmerker 12 днів тому
+GrimReapersAtomic *The McDonnellDouglas AV-8 Bravo has a conformal 25x137mm gun pod in the GAU-12/U.* Out o' rockets? Trigger down on the drones.
@MairinGoBragh 12 днів тому
The Mirage can carry rockets, too.
@Gunfreak19 12 днів тому
Hey Cap. With Kola coming next week can you do Norwegian F16 naval attack. Mod Penguins onto the F16C and trying and do 1980s F16 vs Russian ships in the Barents sea. I love you love to say Penguin.
@grimreapers 12 днів тому
Will add to list. thx
@nevisstkitts8264 11 днів тому
Next time you run scenario, add some modern turboprops in patrol mode with radar and NV/IR optics packages. ... if cheap is the objective. Also, A10 could be updated with underwing radar pods.
@aragracian 11 днів тому
I think Pucara is the answer. 4 guns 7,62 with 1500 rounds per gun give it capability to straffe the drones, for the ones bigger, x2 20mm gun. also can fly low and slow to chase and hunt drones
@zrbitax 13 днів тому
Could rebuild an AC-130 to be an anti-drone platform, loaded with this and the 35 mm Skynex Oerlikon guns. :)
@totalNERD-eo7wx 12 днів тому
Well you better hope you don't intercept those drones when they are flying over a populated area...
@megalamanooblol 12 днів тому
@@totalNERD-eo7wx Drones typically fly relatively low, does AC-130 even feel comfortable engaging weapons on those kind of altitudes ?
@stupidburp 12 днів тому
Modern air defense cannons tends to use self destructing ammunition. It will reduce the chances of collateral damage, although not eliminate it
@jimc1654 12 днів тому
Just add laser to the ac-130. It has already been tested
@TabTa6 12 днів тому
@@megalamanooblolac 130 normally used against ground targets. altitude should be fine
@jyralnadreth4442 12 днів тому
40mm Bofors L70 firing HEPF or 3P ammunition. Cheap as chips way of splashing drones. Using Aircraft against drones also risks deception with the Drones being used as bait but the real threat being MANPADS to the Aircraft is they are flying that low
@ClarkGallendez 12 днів тому
Suggestion: Could you try making a video where rotor aircrafts trying to shoot down a swarm of drones or reconnaisance drones because recently Ukraine have managed to down an Orlan 10 drone using a Yak 52 trainer aircraft with a machinegun.
@markriley5289 12 днів тому
GDP of Iran is about $413B, GDP of USA is about $25,439B so a ratio of 62:1 in favour of the USA. Purely in monetary terms, the USA can easily out fight Iran in a low-tech vs. high-tech war based on the first scenario.
@dexlab7539 11 днів тому
This is true - however, the real problem is with manufacturing. Russia is vastly out manufacturing West in everything
@EWElife0313 10 днів тому
I would like to see if a Navy could mount these rocket pods to a vessel. That would be way less expensive than SM2 & 3s. The laser would have to be modified of course. I also wouldn't be surprised to see Navel vessels, in the future, looking more like WWII Ships. Having installed some sort of flak artillery CWIS to efficiently combat drone swarms. Artillery shell way cheaper than missle.
@SeanChYT 12 днів тому
Are there any fully laser based weapons that can fit on a suitable airplane for hunting drones? As for a strike like the one on Iran I guess the various forces didn't care about budget that time, in order to stop a war from happening, but if there are repeated swarm attacks, definitely budget alternatives HAS to be utilized.
@Ayns.L14A 12 днів тому
I wonder if ,in this specific case, it would be economical to reinstate something like the P38 lightning,? with no need for bombs as such, that would save 2000lbs that could be used to add some modern sensors off you go.......
@geekpoet7443 12 днів тому
CAP, I was going over GR's past missions and another mission idea came to me...go figure. A reenactment of 1942 Battle for Midway with a twist. Here is the twist. You and Simba or maybe Grump play the roll of the Japanese forces and the rest of GR plays the Americans. Both sides are aware of each other but fog of war prevents each side from knowing where their opponents is. The mission goals would still the same but this way both sides have more time to prepare for the coming battle.
@floydfarms1578 11 днів тому
Comparing cost of weapons and defense needs to include comparing budgets and gdp percentages. Yes, cost of missile vs drone is huge difference, but so is defense budget and gdp of each country.
@strambino1 12 днів тому
How effective would warbirds be against a drone swarm from Iran?
@Chuck_Stick 12 днів тому
F/A18F Super Hornet or F15E would be optimal for the added WSO.
@AxlePlaysGames 12 днів тому
Britain actually making a usable weapons package? What changed? Now imagine this system but on something with radar that can skew the T-Pod to the radar’s target like the F-18 can, and killing drones with this missile would be easy
@ashtiboy 12 днів тому
maybe it time to bacly use them upgradeed 80mm atuo cannons but with tactallink gided 80mm shells with a high exlosive molten metal srapnel flak rounds. then upgrade them automated cannons with a far higher fire rate and give them poper auto loaders and 1000+ rounds.
@dougroberts3840 12 днів тому
While I understand what you where doing, I'm still kind of wondering why Cap didn't just which to guns and shoot down that drone before he tried buddy lasing. Also, for fun, like to see if the Warbirds could of done this with there guns.
@Mich_Angel 12 днів тому
As always Cap & Co.. great video, entertaining and fun. But. . . . I always wondered with this comparison . . . Do you actually count in the destruction and rebuild cost needed if a drone attack actually hit a town or city, which might give rebuild cost in the billions and massive loss of innocent lives.. So taking that in to the cost comparison what does it matter if you spend 10,20 or 50, 100 million or maybe 500 million on shooting 250-500 drones down and saving lives and the town, city.. Cause if you just compare drone cost against missile cost it will never be cost effective.. but that is doing it wrong.. You have to count in the total cost if in fact all drones actually hit a military installation or worse a town or city, without that potential cost the test comparison data is flawed. And not forget to count in the running cost of the aircrafts in to the total price, fule, parts needed service etc.. etc.. Just saying ;) Keep up the awesomeness! CHEEERS!
@luigifranceschi2350 13 днів тому
You should try with something more cost effective, like the Oto Melara 76/62, specifically made for flying target at subsonic speed. 2-3 rounds per drone should be more than sufficient. Each round should be less than 1000$ . Range up to 40 km, and can shoot down quite few drones per minute. It is being used in the Red Sea by the Italian navy. So at the end the cost to dispose of the drone would be less than the drone itself.
@robertopiedimonte2078 12 днів тому
Sorry Luigi you mix data from three different rounds: - normal round at $ 1,000 - Dart anti-missile about 9 Km range - Vulcano land/ship Attack within 40 Km
@luigifranceschi2350 12 днів тому
@@robertopiedimonte2078 still much cheaper than using a plane and/or a missile
@robertopiedimonte2078 12 днів тому
@@luigifranceschi2350 as you I'm a great fan of 76/62, but... price per Dart round is about $ 35,000 each and 3 are fired per intercept, so around 100,000 per target making it not the cheapest solution, moreover its range of 5 nm or 9 Km make it interesting for naval use thanks to all limited capabilities this mount offer without using any missiles alongside! The idea tested in this scenario is far out ranges the extraordinary italian gun can reach and it's developed on concept of using what is cheap and available to contrast drones winning the economic battle behind
@darktemplars8314 12 днів тому
If you just take drone cost vs shootdown cost, most likely No. If you include possible cost of damage and loss of life vs shootdown cost, then Yes.
@layneanderson9582 12 днів тому
Now question 2 and 3.. Could you not put the aircraft in autopilot in heading and altitude hold since the drones won't be maneuvering to avoid being shot down? and why put 3 pods on 1 hard point and leave what 3 on 1 wing and 3 on the other completely unused when it could easily accommodate even more of those 3 pod loadouts.
@davidbird874 9 днів тому
The literal argument about cost of drone versus cost of platform/air-to-air missile is so misleading as to be wholly inaccurate. There are more direct figures that should include the cost of replacing whatever the drone was aimed at should it be damaged or destroyed although this figure could probably never be known. The argument that theoretically Iran could win a war of attrition versus Israel merely by launching continuous drone swarms and Israel just wasting all it's resources by simply attacking the drones is ridiculous because it simply would not happen. That said, I do really enjoy the real world scenario content that GR produces, keep up the great work.
@nigelmorris4769 12 днів тому
Like to see if the a29 tucano and or the ov10 bronco could do it cheaper
@dlr1668 12 днів тому
Love the ending. You all funny
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