Love the props given to Ken Shamrock here; he deserves far greater respect than he gets today.

The Rock impersonating LA Knight with all those "yeah" answers is somewhat ironic

Joe “he eat turtles for breakfast including the shell” The rock “ yes, yeah, yes”

I really hope that Joe will have Brock Lesnar on the pod some day!

A lot of people don't realize how good Ken Shamrock was due to him fighting when he was past his prime and taking a lot of loses toward the end of his career. If Ken Shamrock was a young man training for MMA today would he become a major championship title holder? I don't know, but I think that he'd be above average. Keep in mind that Ken came form a dysfunctional family background, and that he suffered a broken neck while training as an amateur wrestler in high school. He also got into MMA at a relatively late age.

I agree 100% on Frank Shamrock. The first true modern MMA fighter. His mouth and way he carried himself is what got him into trouble with orgs, but his skill set and tenacity was undeniable.

It's an absolute travesty Ken Shamrock has never. Even on JRE. Hes a great storyteller and still a very sharp guy.

The Rock doing his best Eddie Haskell impression.

A Mark Kerr… Coleman… Frank Shamrock… Ken Shamrock… training with the top teams like Kevin Jackson, AKA, or ATT would absolutely be elite fighters in 2023. Back in the day, they were making it up as they went. Lions Den and the Gracie Family was laying the groundwork for what came later.

I remember seeing an interview with Manny Pacquiao, he said, “When the training is hard, the fight is easy.”

Such a crime Frank Shamrock isn’t in the UFC hall of fame because of Petty White.

I can't remember who he was fighting but that time when Frank kept getting hit in the face on the ground and keeps smiling like a maniac always cracks me up.

Ken was one of my customers and our kids went to the same school so I got to him. He was a real cool guy. To get into the lion's den you had to wrestle with one of the guys including Ken. Every new person would get choked out. That was the first hurdle.

Joe getting The Rock on here still blows my mind

Wow. The Rock is truly as smart a rock.

High five to The Rock for mentioning Ken Shamrock!

For people downplaying Ken Shamrock's greatness in his prime, keep in mind that Ken taught Frank for years, and built the foundation that Frank was able to take to the next level. Ken also beat Bas in his prime. Frank had an intense bout with Tito back in the day, and Frank was able to win with strikes that are considered "illegal" in today's MMA (back of the head). Not really fair to compare it to today's MMA fighters as today there are also more rules.

I know a lot of people complained that Joe talked so much during this podcast but I honestly liked it. The way I looked at it is the rock is a super busy dude, how often does he get to just sit and chill and pick somebodies brain? Especially about a field he's interested in and probably doesn't have the time to just read articles or watch videos on like MMA.

A pro fighter would have access to the best (or at least modern coaching), which means their coaches would have knowledge up to date with the state of current mixed martial arts. Had the Shamrocks, Rutten or others from earlier eras fought today, this would apply to them as well, meaning their skill set would be much more rounded and efficient. It's very conceivable that they could be dominant even now.

I feel a mention of Don Fry should be added

Ken Shamrock was an animal. Erik Paulson and Shamrock were awesome to see.

That frank shamrock arm bar in 10 seconds was unbelievable

Frank Shamrock is definitely one of the greatest

Rock has no idea what Joe is saying he just keeps saying yes over and over

I couldnt agree more about the champion mindset. I make a similar argument when people compare eras in other sports too.

The Rock "yea, yea" "yes" "yes" yeah" "yes" What he's really thinking: This motherfucker won't stop talking. What Neil Degrasse Tyson is thinking: Now yall understand why I keep Joe in line.

Nice that Joe Rogan had Joe Rogan on the pod cast...6 minute clip of Joe talking and the rock saying yeah

1:22 Somebody tell Joe that Frank was gassed when he fought Nick Diaz

Joe trying his best not to mention steroids use in the lions den

YEAH, YEP, RIGHT, OKAY, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.........

Love how well the rock talks about shamrock, shamrock was the reason I got into mma after being a fan of him in wwe

I say the same for all sports, champion is a mindset. With modern techniques, health studies and training most great athletes of the past would be at the same level as modern sports greats

Did they talk about steroid use on this podcast?

I remember reading Ken Shamrock's first book inside the lions den and he had submissions, striking but I loved his diet plan and it changed mine at 23 now being 45 I feel younger

Guys like Strickland, Khabib, Bones, etc. would have different training & different careers in old school 90's early 2000's UFC. Vice versa guys like Gracie, Shamrock, etc. would have different training & careers if their peaks were 2010's & 2020's. Take Basketball for example: People debate what would happen if MJ & LeBron switched eras. One, they would be raised in different era's effecting the mentality, training, play, toughness, etc. It would completely change both guys career's in ways we can only speculate. If you put an athlete in a different era in any sport their career would be different for better or worse, we can only speculate & debate how much different their career would be.

This was a great clip

The Rock sounds like he’s getting bored while talking to some girl😆

Best thing an MMA fan can do is go back and watch early Pancrase, Shooto and UFC fights. Start in 1995/96 and go from there. That’s one of the best things about Fight Pass - the library of old events is pretty extensive.

The rock in the background like a hype man

Fighters are just a different breed of human so no matter when they lived they we’re going to be fighters

I watched survivor series 98 the other when rock hits Ken with the nightstick was a classic ha

Frank Shamrock vs Bas Rutten 🔥

Before I watch the video, I must say the thumbnail goes perfectly with the title: both Rogan and the Rock with that face, like "Well... ... ..." 😀

Macho Man voice "The cream always rises"

The Rock basically just adding ad-libs

Ken Shamrocks WWE game signature move was confusing and funny to me when i was a kid but makes sense now.

The Rock trying to “act”like he knows fighting 😂

The rock = " Yes , yes " " oh yea " " yes , yes " " right, right "

Johnson saying "yea" after every sentance Joe says

5:21 Gerard Gordeau used leg kicks against Kevin Rosier at UFC 1.

Dwayne "yeah, yes" Johnson

Great comment by Jo about the quality that all champions have.

Lion's Den, Animal House Gym, Shamrock 2000. Would be an interesting story on JRE. I think Nick Diaz trained in one of the Shamrock gyms in a podcast Nate did, where he explained that Nick in his teens training was absolutely jacked likened to probably Ken and Frank.

Shamrock? 100% yes

The rock, the champ of making people believe he knows what they are talking about.

The old school fighters were tuff as nails with grit.

"The Machida Era" lasted a loooooooooooooooooong time

All the stuff Joe has said about The Roadhouse Leg Kick has paid off with the calf kick.

Most Frank Shamrock videos seem to have been deleted from UKposts😞. Keep Frank in your minds guys, the dude was a legend, deserves to be remembered and is a pretty great example for many generations to come.

Ken Shamrock was capable of a 600 lbs bench press!! That’s beastly…

Ken Shamrock was one of the guys that I absolutely bought in on the idea that he was an unhinged psycho… his intensity and that insane physique that made some of the other walking slabs look mortal was unreal (assisted results for sure, but you still gotta put time in; it’s not something you do and then sleep all day and end up looking like chiseled granite) I think even if he wasn’t a top UFC guy had he done it during his prime, that he still would’ve been very successful overall

Wish Joe could've asked him about the latest on the movie he said he was making about Mark Kerr, the Smashing Machine.

Great interview. Very true what Joe is saying.

If you skip it forward every 10 seconds Joe is talking

Is this joe or the rock interview 😂

The rock: Yeah, yes, yeah.

The issue is just how different MMA was then to today. Ken's best victories in UFC were his one-side draws against BJJ legend Royce Gracie and Russian Sambo black belt Oleg Tarkatov, and his submission victories against Judo black belt, Greco-Roman and Freestyle wrestling champion Dan Severn, Pankration fighter Kimo, kickboxing champion Pat Smith. His best Pancrase shootfightin victories were Bas Rutten (2x), Masakatsu Funaki (2x), Maurice Smith and Manabu Yamada. But back then UFC had the "no time limit" tournament format or the "30 minute" Superfight. Pancrase had the 15 minute format for tournaments and a full 30 minute fight standard. No "rounds". Today, MMA is short, faster paced, with a lot more controversial judges decisions. You can winning the first round for 3 minutes and a hair away from winning but the buzzer goes off and then you gotta restart and then you lose the fight. Raw stamina was one of the key factors and weight limits weren't established yet. This seriously effects how to train for that environment. Here's a better question: How would today's MMA fighters fare under old school UFC rules?

Ken & his brother Frank Shamrock were beasts!

Ken Shamrock was a beast

Enjoy this convo

Bang on Joe . Frank Shamrock was is is underrated. He was the complete fighter. Even beat Bas

If Ken was in his prime, sure. But it's not the same sport as when he started.

Hello. If possible, could you please upload the 2015 documentary The Greatest Fight? It stars Ken Shamrock and focuses on his life and the final years of his MMA career. If you could do this I would deeply appreciate it. Thank you very much

Ken was basically telling the Rock. Why would you compete in professional MMA when you’ve got a massive shot at becoming a wrestling star? All the glory and money with none of the brain damage. Breaking from the WWE to The UFC is backwards thinking. Unless you’re an athlete of the Caliber of a Brock Lesner or a Francis Ngannou. That transition is going to be extremely difficult and you’re going to get smashed on the way up. Ken definitely saved the Rock ass with that advice.

Listening to the conversation between Joe and Dwayne, mostly Dwayne is an echo. He has little to no knowledge of these topics.

I remember Jerry The King Lawler once said Ken shamrock is so dumb he thought judo was something that bagels are made of

How many times I a row did Dwayne say “yeah and yes” in a row? 😂 reminds me of that how to be a fake football fan commercial.

'Project Rock '! Says it all.

the first few UFC's were single night tournaments. You fought like 5 times to win it. Shamrock in his prime would have dominated the modern era.

Justice will be mine

Drinking game! Take a drink everytime rock says yes/yeah!

“I feel like”. What happened to men saying “I think”. Very annoying trend saying “I feel”

Imagine if Haku got in there back then

WE'RE NOT GONNA TALK ABOUT ROCK SELLING OUT WITH OPRAH....ASKING FOR DONATIONS....

Royce had a specialized skill that his opponents weren't prepared for. I don't think he would rise like he did otherwise.

the first complete mma fighter was Marcos Ruas.

An interesting question that I never see asked is how low in the rankings if you took a guy from now with current training and skill could you go back to certain points and they be a champion or a champion contender MMA or boxing we alway say could say Ali beat Tyson or joe Lewis but really what would be interesting to me is could say the world 145th ranked whatever go back 30-40 years and be champion how much more skilled is that sport now to then

It's the same in every field, either sports, sciences or art. You always build on what the one before you did.

In order for them to rise to today's mma, my hypothetical questions are what age would start training, and what age would they be premiering at?

Vengeance will be mine

Ken was not pit of date, he was early. Ken had a major advantage was experience, he had been fighting in one form or another for years before he entered mma, he win today tomorrow, and into the future.

Frank Shamrock was a monster. Loved watching him fight

Dwayne is reaching Hulk Hogan levels of lying....

Elephant in the room we aren't going to ask about the juice huh?!

while im working

Seems like The Rock just agrees with different words constantly. "Yeah... for sure.. yeah... yeah .... uh-huh"

I agree 100% with Joe on this topic!

lol dude with 500 subs gets a 250k vid & no subs dayum that has to be frustrating lol..... subbed 4 ya mayne

Hey Dawyne how are you today? Yeah yes yeah.

What ever happened to the mark Kerr movie