Can Starship Help Make The Artemis Program Better Than Apollo?
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День томуNASA's making some big moves to finally get humans back to the moon for the first time in over 50 years. The Artemis program is shaping up with checks written and hardware built! So how does a 21st Century program to the moon compare to that of the 1960's?
In Today's video, we’re going to answer the question, why does NASA think Artemis will be a sustainable program when SLS is sooooo dang expensive AND it’ll take at least two launches to get humans and their lunar landers to the moon.
This CAN’T be more sustainable than Apollo, right? Well, we didn’t even begin to scratch the surface of the costs, so today we’re going to really dive into the total costs, including development, infrastructure and hardware by giving SLS and Orion a full cost audit.
But we’ll even show you how the Apollo program and Artemis mission profiles differ including the specific orbits and rendezvous and everything required to get humans to the surface of the moon and even talk about the upgraded safety considerations and hardware involved.
Once we look at all these details, we can answer the question, 50 years later, is the Artemis program actually an improvement over the Apollo program or is NASA going completely in the wrong direction when returning to the moon?
#ApolloVSArtemis #SLSVSSaturnV
00:00 - Intro
03:50 - The Hardware
15:55 - The Missions
29:15 - Safety & Upgrades
35:50 - Program Costs
46:20 - Rant
52:25 - The Good Parts of Artemis
55:35 - Conclusion
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@JackTSR1 3 роки тому
‘It’ll be virtually impossible to have cost overruns’ Boeing: Well how we gonna make money now?
@jf4500 3 роки тому
Boeing squeezed another $287 Million out of NASA on the fixed price Starliner contract because NASA was afraid that Boeing would otherwise pull out of Commercial Crew. The SLS and Orion programs could use the same strategy to get more funding. At least until there's a viable commercial option.
@TheGoyard 3 роки тому
When you compare SpaceX Crew Dagon and Boeing Starliner BUDGET and the actual RESULTS. BOEING just looks like a joke ... I won't even mention BOEING 737 MAX ! Pleasing Wall Street is the devil
@roccodevenanzio6106 3 роки тому
@@TheGoyard thats why a lot of companies are staying or returning to private.
@gertxhika663 3 роки тому
First and foremost great video perhaps your best. I agree that with all those money spent let's fly that rocket. But if they ask for more money 💰 as I'm sure boeing is how much more would you give them before cancelling. Remember its 30 billion for a new fuel tank cause all the rest is reused.
@wrwhiteal 3 роки тому
JackTSR I’m sick of ‘the devil made Nasa do it’ revisionist nonsense.. sick of Nasa apologists blaming NASA’s incompetence/waste/failures on Congress, taxpayers, Shelby, contractors, etc.. Congress acts on Nasa recommendations/promises..contractors do what they’re told, paid, contracted to do. Nasa promised a gullible Congress a ‘cheap, safe, reliable’ STS then delivered a $1.6 billion per flight boondoggle that killed 2 crews & had chronic multi-year service outages.. the most unaffordable, dangerous, unreliable space vehicle in history.. Then Nasa promised Congress a quick, cheap, & dirty Constellation/Sls based on shuttle components.. how’s that going $80 billion & 16 years later? Nasa, Government is the problem, not the solution.
@niwasox3 3 роки тому
Your rant reminds me of a quote by Gwynne Shotwell: "I don't even know how to spend $400 million on a rocket"
@brentbeggs7413 3 роки тому
Somebody needs to hold these contractors accountable.
@dinoschachten 3 роки тому
Hahahah, did she say that? Beautiful. :D
@RobinClaassen 3 роки тому
That's a great quote if it's real. Could you provide a source? I did a web search and wasn't able to find it.
@ronniebauman28 3 роки тому
I'm pretty sure it was a sit down interview.
@RobinClaassen 3 роки тому
@@ronniebauman28 So you recall seeing a video of her saying something like that in an interview? Do you remember anything about the context, e.g. the event, interviewer, or how long ago it took place?
@paulmakinson1965 3 роки тому
A friend working at NASA told me "the reason we can't get to the moon now is that the amount of paperwork to be done would be unsurmountable".
@starwarsfan9362 3 роки тому
Lol
@carymartin9548 2 роки тому
We were warned not to come back .
@mateeeoooesc Рік тому
@@carymartin9548 lolll, wrong
@person.5516 Рік тому
@@carymartin9548 yeah sure buddy
@137akash Рік тому
Are they still using Paper now LoL🤣
@gianlucatrevisanello9750 3 роки тому
5:11 “you want your lunar lander to be as lightweight as possible”. SpaceX: “ I don’t think so”
@argylehunter2733 2 роки тому
Yes for the Apollo model limited by earth's gravity well. . Starship is a different model. Refueling in space, space manufacturing and fuel mfg on the moon /Mars moves us from space rafts to equivalent sailng vessels.
@rexmann1984 2 роки тому
@@argylehunter2733 if you haven't seen it yet there's a channel I found called Apogee. He's a young guy but his idea on how to use the Starship is genius. I'll post a link.
@stevenwooden-smith1136 2 роки тому
@@argylehunter2733 ⁰⁰⁰
@jchampagne5715 2 роки тому
@@argylehunter2733 Yeah because it’s flying on a booster that can lift like 100 tons lol
@hamzamahmood9565 2 роки тому
Starship Lunar lander will weigh 100 tons, and land 100 tons. The other "lightweight" landers will weigh 10 tons and land 3-4 tons. Oh, and only one of them is fully and rapidly reusable.
@RichardGadsden 3 роки тому
Looking forward to hearing this for the first time since 1972: "Artemis 2, Houston. " "Go ahead, Houston. " "Artemis 2. You are Go for TLI. Over." (that's the Apollo 8 dialogue from 1968 with the spacecraft name updated; the actual Apollo 17 dialog went: "Roger. Guys, I've got the word you wanted to hear; you are Go for TLI - you're Go for the Moon." "Okay, Robert. Understand. America and Challenger with their S-IVB are Go for TLI.")
@joenolan8368 3 роки тому
Just imagine, if you will, they brought in Harrison Schmitt, god willing still with us, to give the TLI call for Artemis 2. A handoff from Apollo to Artemis. Would be amazing.
@BlackWolf42- 3 роки тому
Hearing anything get the go for TLI makes me moist. The chance of hearing it in the 21st century makes my heart race.
@djstoplichtofficial 3 роки тому
''You are go for TLI'' I'll probably cry hearing those words
@MonkeyKing3333 3 роки тому
"aaaaaaaand ACTION"
@kenoliver8913 2 роки тому
More likely to be "Go ahead, Boca Chica".
@t.mitchell9135 3 роки тому
“Boeing: ‘Failure is not an option, it comes standard in every product.’”
@iamarokotmanson 3 роки тому
Lmao
@Jimmmmm234 3 роки тому
got us in the first half
@benbaselet2026 3 роки тому
You still have to pay extra for it, though...
@skdewolf7606 3 роки тому
Omg lol
@dabinc.1428 3 роки тому
boeing 737 max
@Rotatoechip 3 роки тому
Congrats to SpaceX for winning the contract for the lunar lander!
@alisioardiona727 3 роки тому
@J6F05 CHEUNG Hei-yeung Andy Yes they changed some aspect of the design, like those you cite.
@brianjaber3171 3 роки тому
SpaceX has flown all his stuff and blown it all up and it still didn’t cost as much as the pig that NASA iOS using…go figure. And don’t even mention how long it’s been going on.
@chrislowe1065 3 роки тому
Tbh at the current rate of progress, I wouldn't be surprised if Space X just go to the moon themselves before NASA even launches a single SLS. Yet alone build the Lunar Station.
@TheOneTrueDragonKing 3 роки тому
Giving SpaceX the Artemis contract was a major mistake. Especially since Starship still tends to... well, explode. By doing so, NASA has practically guaranteed the deaths of all Artemis crews. I could be wrong, of course, but as of right now I have serious doubts SpaceX knows what it's doing when it comes to super-heavy lift rockets like Starship. Go NASA or Explode.
@chrislowe1065 3 роки тому
@@TheOneTrueDragonKing Do you really think space X and NASA will launch people up in a Starship before they have the landing sorted? Unlike the other 2 options space x actually have something that flies, even if it doesn't land just yet. But the only way you learn is through failiure. It was also by far the cheapest to produce. Furthermore space X were probably going to send people to the moon on Starship regardless. Blue Origins option also stipulated advanced payments which NASA refused to sign up for in the contract. And the other option was found to have Negative mass (too heavy).
@stevemccormack9948 3 роки тому
I am a great believer in sending an unmanned version to the Moon/Mars landing site ahead of the actual manned flight. This enables the mission to test all the craft involved and also gives reassurance because it would carry ahead lots of food, water, oxygen and equipment needed. It can even mean a spare space craft with engines can be on hand on the target site with spares of everything should they be needed. So the pressure is taken off everyone.
@larrysouthern5098 2 роки тому
Sounds like a good plan.. redundancy...
@elnico5623 8 місяців тому
Sounds expensive.. redundancy...
@duckvs.chipanddale585 7 місяців тому
@@elnico5623we are already doing that anyways
@name_here___4070 3 роки тому
I can't stop laughing at that clip at 56:54 "We need to test moving the rocket back and forth" "What, build some specialized machine? Sounds difficult" "Nah, I've got a better idea-get me some interns."
@SripadBehera 3 роки тому
xD That won't happen today though, because no company will lose the op to skim another billion quid for specialized equipment.
@nathanjohnson9464 3 роки тому
I believe this test actually worked too! I read that there were structural weaknesses discovered during the rocking
@David-yo5ws 3 роки тому
@@nathanjohnson9464 You mean those 2 guy's had to get leg massages after an hour of rocking? Quiet a structural weakness alright. ;-) 🦵
@KidKusU 3 роки тому
Hell yeah.. Getting paid to work out.
@EverydayAstronaut 3 роки тому
Links for mobile users! (Sorry the play-bar might not breakup on mobile either) 00:00 - Intro 03:50 - The Hardware 15:55 - The Missions 29:15 - Safety & Upgrades 35:50 - Program Costs 46:20 - Rant 52:25 - The Good Parts of Artemis 55:35 - Conclusion
@Hi-do6fo 3 роки тому
Tim you are the best and amazing.
@macer3985 3 роки тому
Hmm, the play-bar works on google
@lazyslistener 3 роки тому
Play bar breakups are working on my Pixel 4 on the UKposts app
@seththetechguy 3 роки тому
It works on the UKposts app
@joemamagaming6119 3 роки тому
Mmm bar breaks up for me
@jmwhiting 3 роки тому
Whelp, you were accurate with the lander animation for the mission profile. Spacex did in fact win the contract.
@itwithlyam9334 2 роки тому
This aged well
@yessir3952 3 роки тому
Shoutout to KSP for actually teaching me stuff that was required for this video
@rheaunderstars 3 роки тому
"NASA maybe dodged a bullet... while driving a car on two wheels on the edge of a cliff inside of a tornado while buying lotto tickets." That sounds a little more risky than 5%
@hawkdsl 3 роки тому
People in Texas do this all the time.. it's no big deal. (I was going to include Florida, but it's flat, and barley above sea level.. so no cliffs.. but then again... Never underestimate Florida Man.)
@TexanUSMC8089 3 роки тому
LOL
@tachyonicnewt2473 3 роки тому
hawkdsl, you just replace the cliff with a croc or gator
@benhockley 3 роки тому
While dangerous in it's own right, it does seem an effective way to dodge a bullet.
@dimi575 3 роки тому
They did do it 6 times successfully so that would be 5%^6 = 0.0000015625% chance of success.
@penciljar_ 3 роки тому
SLS looks like if Saturn V and The space shuttle had a baby
@penciljar_ 3 роки тому
Thanks for the heart Tim! 🤙 😁
@imagineaworld 3 роки тому
It is very very similar
@nathanjay4788 3 роки тому
That's exactly what I always thought
@n3rdg4m3r6 3 роки тому
Maybe more Starship than sls
@theatom7264 3 роки тому
I see it as a Saturn 5 bogged down by Shuttle hardware. SLS will prove to be a huge waste. Sea Dragon should have been the direction they should have went in if their goal is both a moon base & a mission to Mars. Sea Dragon could have lifted over 1.6 million lbs to orbit & without a launch pad out at sea. It would have been super cheap compared to Shuttle & SLS at around $60 per kelo to space.
@alisioardiona727 3 роки тому
43:23 Well done Spacex for getting the Human Landing System contract ! Turns out the developpement will cost only 2.9B, not 17.5B as you predicted since Spacex pays half of it.
@EverydayAstronaut 3 роки тому
Well that’s just for the initial phase of the contract. It’ll still be several billion more once in operation
@finalfantasy_addict9131 2 роки тому
@@EverydayAstronaut Freed
@java4653 11 місяців тому
Two years later &:Spacex has wasted 1.5 billion and has nothing but a Rocket Go Boom!
@alisioardiona727 11 місяців тому
@@java4653 they are still on time and within the budget, unlike sls
@unitedfederation3105 2 роки тому
After watching this video you have actually changed my view on SLS and Orion. You also upgraded my view of the commercial crew program as well. Before I thought that SLS and Orion was a money pit and ... IT IS.. BUT.. You make very valid points. I now believe the more the merrier. I just hope that going forward NASA purchases Commercial Crew contracts for 10 years in advance just like they did with the SLS to ensure future administrations cannot cancel or change direction of NASA objectives big time.
@dhanauma985 3 роки тому
It's literally 11 pm in India when you released the video ( in India ) I was so curious to watch this video. Great work. Waiting for a video about isro from you tim.
@atharvsarang 3 роки тому
I will watch it in 4k tomorrow on large screen.. 🇮🇳🇮🇳
@PS-mw9cc 3 роки тому
desi gang
@14rs2 3 роки тому
Me: Sees that Tim has uploaded a vide “ah yes” Also me: Sees the video is over an hour long “OH HELL YES!!!!”
@Stephan1988 3 роки тому
Runs for snacks and gets comfortable
@isaachenrikson3197 3 роки тому
wait i just watched this for an hour and didn't realize it was that long
@cicher 3 роки тому
The same happens to me, but in the opposite way 😂😭 (an hour is too much for me) Tim's videos are great, but maybe he should do also a *shorter version* / resume of them ✂️ (maybe a 15~20 min video, in addition to the full video). An hour video for comparing this two rocket systems is definitively too much for the _"space (not too much in deep)amateur"_ . Sure it is tasty for the most ardent fans, but I think for people who just like a little the topics, an hour video looks like *too much* 😬
@slavicnonatho8062 3 роки тому
@@cicher *Our goals are beyond your understanding*
@commiezombie2477 3 роки тому
Rest of the world: 95% death rate. BYE. USA: Were goin dammit. 😂😂😂
@kairon156 Рік тому
Yes! Radiation shielding was something I ponder for current future missions into space. It's good to hear that Artemis will have better shields & I hope that'll be a trend going forward. Great animated graphs and stuff too by the way.
@yoskarokuto3553 Місяць тому
apollo none of any radiation shielding ?
@kairon156 Місяць тому
@@yoskarokuto3553 They had some shielding but I read that one or more missions had close calls with avoiding solar flairs. They were using tinfoil and thin sheets of led for the bits that went to the moon and back. Nothing strong enough for long term moon bases let alone going to other worlds with people aboard.
@jounik 3 роки тому
"The rockets should by no measure be going backwards." That's why it's essential to verify which is the pointy end before launch.
@hollywoodlibertarian4227 3 роки тому
Dad jokes!!! Classic
@jyuyd8274 3 роки тому
"Apollo program at Astronomical costs"? ... Basically half of one years defense spending
@DavidiusViajelous 3 роки тому
well actually there's something to be said there for deceleration and landing...
@robinsheikh1550 3 роки тому
@@jyuyd8274 Jj?jjjjjj
@robinsheikh1550 3 роки тому
@@jyuyd8274 jjjjjjjjj
@zacharyramsli8002 3 роки тому
LOL lunar lander size comparison - Starship hello little guys.
@anwar4227 3 роки тому
Starship itself can hold all the moon landers
@anwar4227 3 роки тому
SLS is actually Senate Lunch System
@feryth 3 роки тому
Orion + Starship coupled... which one is the lander, again?
@heh2393 3 роки тому
@@anwar4227 Oof, truth singularity right there
@jase171973 3 роки тому
all the other landers hitch a ride in a cargo starship
@rocroc 3 роки тому
Second time I've watched this video. One thing that comes to mind; Tim Dodd represents all or most of us. He does his "job" better than anyone else could. We are fortunate to have him.
@tonyduncan9852 2 роки тому
He easily won access to Elon as an equally conspiratorial nerd. Very likeable together, I thought.
@aaditya4809 3 роки тому
Anyone here after spacex won the lander contract?
@jamesrwinters 3 роки тому
I'm just hanging out happily waiting to see Tim's next monster video breaking down the decision to go with SpaceX. Give him time and he'll deliver another amazing vid.
@JVIPER88 3 роки тому
I'm here after the contract got suspended.
@colevanwyk3056 3 роки тому
"That's going to do it for me, I'm Tim Dodd the Everyday Astronaut..." Me *Nooooo please Tim don't leave I want to watch you rant for another hour*
@Gibson99 3 роки тому
Then go watch the Our Ludicrous Future podcast.
@colevanwyk3056 3 роки тому
@@Gibson99 true but I already do that lol, I just need more tim in my life, I think we all do
@gamertron0882 3 роки тому
Just watch it again
@Dencoolnis123 3 роки тому
When Jim Bridenstine was appointed head of NASA, I was sceptical. But boy has he done some incredible things in the last two years! I really really really hope they keep him as head of NASA, no matter who wins in november.
@simongeard4824 3 роки тому
He does seem to have done a pretty good job of balancing competing interests... promoting competition and commercial space, while paying enough respect to political demands to keep himself in the job...
@CathDad4 3 роки тому
This is one of my concerns this November and beyond. I hate how political NASA has to be but it's finally seemed to turn a corner under Bridenstine.
@kyleking3839 3 роки тому
@@chyza2012 but wasn't artemis announced under Obama because Biden's whole campaign is pretty much I knew Obama and was his VP
@zapfanzapfan 3 роки тому
@@kyleking3839 If I remember correctly it was ARM (Asteroid Redirect Mission) under Obama but some of the hardware was the same and they were going to orbit the Moon, just not land on it.
@kyleking3839 3 роки тому
@@zapfanzapfan yeah artemis now has barely any government hardware when it comes to the landing aside from gateway but it doesn't seem necessary for a landing
@shawndouglass2939 3 роки тому
Thanks for your videos Tim, I'm learning some really cool stuff from you, I may just go and sign up for your Patreon to help you make these😁
@jackyboi8832 3 роки тому
Great video tim love your content. Really helps keeping me entertained but I’m also learning stuff at the same time 👍
@ZPositive 3 роки тому
Tim: "it'll be virtually impossible to have cost overruns" NASA: "Hold my beer"
@riparianlife97701 3 роки тому
* Hold my $2 million beer.
@MatthewLiebrich 3 роки тому
@@riparianlife97701 It's $3M now.
@citizenphaid 3 роки тому
Matthew Liebrich oops sorry programme now cancelled but don’t worry we’ve come up with yet another rocket programme which will cost another $100b even though utilising old technology but it’ll keep your local senator in power for another 33 years. Want your beer back? That’ll be another $100b please.
@sharkbitesback2749 3 роки тому
*Hold my rocket.
@colindavidson7071 3 роки тому
Weren't here cost overruns on commercial crew? For Boeing at least. Though it was "only" $187 million, which is cheap by "traditional" space industry cost overruns.
@BPSspace 3 роки тому
This monster of a video is excellent - great work Tim! Loved the rant :)
@xxgimpl0rdxx22 3 роки тому
Oh look, famous person
@debapratim3976 3 роки тому
Hey Joey 🐝
@dummyjoe7895 3 роки тому
Joey? 🤔
@kebab.productions 3 роки тому
BPS moon landing by 2024!
@berkenmeseli1488 3 роки тому
Look, it's the carbonated milk guy
@TearsAndBlood2 2 роки тому
Love your videos. I like how you still explain what things are in each video! I love all things space but I'm terrible with physics and some of the specifics for the rockets, so thank you man!
@bpitotbrett5839 2 роки тому
Spot on, Tim! No fluff. No waisted time. Good pace. I appreciate the rant. You are more objective and kind than I am. Great job!
@tachyonicnewt2473 3 роки тому
I get out of the hospital, sleep in a real bed, and then wake up to this. Looking like a great day so far.
@human9458 3 роки тому
Congrats for getting home and getting better. Hope u stay healty
@heh2393 3 роки тому
Congrats! What happened?
@3m_my 3 роки тому
I’m glad you’re home, safe, and healthy!!
@David-yo5ws 3 роки тому
And then you get to eat home cooking and it get's even better!
@tachyonicnewt2473 3 роки тому
Arnav Singh, I have a auto immune condition where in my neutrophils are low I got a infection that didn’t respond to the meds I hade at home so I when to get iv antibiotic because oral antibiotics don’t work well. With my condition a pimple and have half my face swollen in 24 hours one it starts to get bad.
@gmanor20 3 роки тому
Love the cost breakdown between SLS and Saturn V. I can't believe how much time and money has been spent on SLS when so much hardware was available. I wish the Artemis program a long life. I just hope the costs don't take away from funding future NASA projects.
@JohnnyThund3r 3 роки тому
Yes, NASA needs to get more funding in general. SLS cost ~1% of the total development cost for the F35, SLS is actually kinda cheap, and we really don't want to make the mistake of losing the capability of the Saturn V again, SLS is the right ship for right now.
@ppsarrakis 3 роки тому
guys cost is pointless for this i think,most of the money is turned back to the American economy since you probably import a minimum amount of parts...
@hawkdsl 3 роки тому
50% of the total NASA budget is for human space flight. SLS and all the other stuff (space station) is within that budget, so all the other more scientifically viable programs are not effected. Your still going to have space telescopes, planetary missions, and probes... which are planned out in 10 year cycles... So they are safe no matter how much HSF gobbles up.
@takanara7 3 роки тому
What's hilarious is they're going to spend a ton of money to launch an Orion capsule, just to have it dock with a Starship, which the astronauts could have just ridden off the planet themselves.
@David-yo5ws 3 роки тому
What has NOT been factored in any of this, is the ultimate goal of the reason for going to the moon: To set up a habitat. The cost to fly there is going to look like change next to a Gold Bar.
@thecoolperson5068 3 роки тому
"You don't need to watch that video" "So definitely give it a watch"
@claudelebel49 2 роки тому
I was in my teens when we went to the Moon. It's amazing that it has taken so long to get where we are now.
@jackbruh3397 3 роки тому
Finally this is the episode I was looking forward to.
@HarshRaj-xd6ix 3 роки тому
ONE HOUR Mannnn......
@ghaznavid 3 роки тому
It's funny - it has been up a few minutes and already has 140 comments, and almost 500 likes. Now to make some popcorn!
@HarshRaj-xd6ix 3 роки тому
@@ghaznavid yeahh boyy
@hjaltesolvang 3 роки тому
Me too
@k4_keychan_ 3 роки тому
Tim at the beginning: "We're diving deep" Tim at the end: "We just scratched the surface"
@fcgHenden 3 роки тому
Expectation: Liquid. Reality: Very solid.
@rogeriopenna9014 3 роки тому
'Tis but a scratch
@FlightRecorder1 3 роки тому
Think of it like the ocean. A deep dive for one person is anything beyond 60m, whereas that barely scratches the surface of the oceans 10,929m depth
@fcgHenden 3 роки тому
@@FlightRecorder1 Oh, do that's how metaphors work! Thanks. I thought he was really going for a dive.
@vincewilson1 3 роки тому
@@FlightRecorder1 The Earth's ocean depth is nothing compared to Enceladus's 60-mile deep ocean!
@cilrvo 3 роки тому
I’m proud that My daughter Artemis by coincidence was born 2018 just 2 months before introducing Artemis program by NASA.
@chaosincarnate7304 2 роки тому
That's an awesome name for a kid!
@mydronelife9871 3 роки тому
That was great I love the way you broke down each one of the cost
@phoenixr 3 роки тому
Those Shuttle Main Engines deserve better than to end their lives discarded on an expendable rocket.
@praveenneevarp4822 3 роки тому
Yeah they could have easily refurbished them after each launch and slap it under the next rocket.
@Grak70 3 роки тому
Seriously. Just the innovations in hydrogen turbo pumps alone. Painful to think of all that magical tech just burning up. :-/
@parallelflow 3 роки тому
Humans will pack bond with anything.
@-danR 3 роки тому
Nobody in history ever put it better than Scott Manley: "You strap on solid propellant boosters and pretend its a rocket." Solid rockets belong in Morton The yokel's 20th century. Enough already.
@rundownpear2601 3 роки тому
Grak70 than we would have another Ares V, I won’t explain if you already know but am happy to elaborate
@rundownpear2601 3 роки тому
I think it’s important to note that Orion’s low delta v numbers were because originally it was too travel to the moon with the LSAM / Altair. Altair would perform the lunar breaking burn. When Altair and constellation were cancelled Orion kept these metrics assuming if lunar missions were to be developed again they would have a lunar lander to perform the burn or a Lagrange station (gateway)
@ReddwarfIV 3 роки тому
Huh. I always wondered why Altair had such a massive lower stage.
@theOrionsarms 3 роки тому
I think the current service module of the Orion capsule was developed and built by the European Space Agency for the asteroid retrieval mission during Obama administration(after the cancelation of the lunar and martian projects) , this is the reason why use non cryogenic propellant with low specific impulse (but suitable for long term use in space) and have a lower mass to fit into less performing SLS compared to Aries-5 from the constellation program.
@rundownpear2601 3 роки тому
@@theOrionsarms It was but the ESM and USM still have / had the same D/V performance numbers. That is why ESM was chosen as is, it was literally the perfect size for the missions they expected to fly. the USM was in some designs smaller than the ESM
@theOrionsarms 3 роки тому
@@rundownpear2601 so basically original service module for the Orion existed only on the paper, like many other hardware in the constellation program in that time , and when they started to built a real thing don't make one new from the scratch(more adequate for their new purposes) only modified a piece of hardware that fits to the original specifications despite in that moment planning to use it in a very different way. The way how NASA keeps changing their lunar program (or pretending to doing, without really make it ) never stop to amaze me.
@rundownpear2601 3 роки тому
Vasile Sulica yeah it was never officially contracted I believe, Lockheed just had the designs. I am also noting that the CEV had a delta v requirement of 1742 m/s, still not enough for adequate lunar maneuvers due to Altair’s propulsion.
@kalebcash8941 3 роки тому
The massive structures we have to build to make this possible (alone) is impressive!
@SonStashu 3 роки тому
this is great, watched every second of this video. please consider going in depth about the lunar lander!!
@StevenBanks123 3 роки тому
At 50:02 Tim finally uses the word “literally” properly. I am figuratively blown away.
@hrissan 3 роки тому
Steven Banks 💪😎
@ChipChapinSJ 3 роки тому
Steven Banks +1 best comment award.
@myentertainment55 3 роки тому
Now try to make people use word "theoretically" properly. People use word "theoretically" instead "hypothetically" and we have those brilliant phrases as "it's just a theory. It hasn't proven yet" P.S. hypothetically is quite hard to say. May be it's one of the reasons why people use "theoretically" instead. Because we lazy :D
@vincewilson1 3 роки тому
@@myentertainment55 Same reason even NASA says space instead of outer space. I'm always thinking' These are supposed to be professionals and they can't even get the name right'.
@EnzoFerenczyo 3 роки тому
At least he knows how to use "regardless", people that say "irregardless" drive me into orbit! Hell, Grammerly didn't even pick that up, Gawd.
@dianehansen5552 3 роки тому
The sheer professionalism of this guy blows me away.
@thomasboomer9809 2 роки тому
Great job of presenting the various approaches, and the pros and cons of each.
@lucianoleonetti7864 2 роки тому
And I forgot to congratulate not only for this video, but for the whole channel. The most informative and complete videos I found on the subject
@captainspaceballs8999 3 роки тому
People who take a critical look at government spending: “Wait this is insane these numbers don’t check out” Military industrial complex: “Money printer go brrrrrrr”
@thescarlethunter2160 3 роки тому
MIC : we fund the development of Gps that you use go brrrrrtttt
@whosjulez1157 3 роки тому
@Robert Willis Yeah, something likes this would never happen in the defense industry. Or basically every other industry
@whosjulez1157 3 роки тому
@Robert Willis okay, then we are on the same page. I think many of NASA's dubious decisions are because of the current "administration"
@CathDad4 3 роки тому
@@whosjulez1157 I hate to call you out but all of Orion's and Artemis's problems are from Obama's administration. In fact Jim Bridenstine Trump's appointee is probably the best NASA administrator we've had in a long time. It's actually the one thing Trump's probably done best.
@averagefalloutplayer 3 роки тому
Hahaha
@devindykstra 3 роки тому
Studio's lookin' pretty great!
@Ugly_German_Truths 3 роки тому
Well the wood panelling is nice, but all those "cigar shaped objects"... it has a bit reseamblance to a high class sex shop by now :D
@3m_my 3 роки тому
Ugly German Truths wtf
@Ugly_German_Truths 3 роки тому
@@3m_my admit it you can't unsee it now either...
@3m_my 3 роки тому
Ugly German Truths why you gotta be like that tho broski
@austriandude 2 роки тому
From me too: "This monster of a video is excellent - great work Tim! Loved the rant :)" Yes -"My blood is boiling" - Too. Kudos, thumbs up! " :) And thanks also for the the chapter "The Good Parts of Artemis" which sets a good mood again, and especially: the Conclusion is a great, great in rounding it off. "A bad sequel to a bad movie", that sums it off. As you said - glad to have SpaceX with Falcon9 and Dragon now.
@lvs8768 3 роки тому
Another amazing video, so much detailed information, thanks Tim!
@sandroleita292 3 роки тому
How are these videos free? This is an absolutely fantastic in depth video. Well done Tim 👏
@panaxion 3 роки тому
Patreon
@derekhurd7426 3 роки тому
@@panaxion ads and sponsorships as well
@jonathanmoothart8038 3 роки тому
these hands down could sell for absolute bank
@robertothigpen511 2 роки тому
Is a commercial to sell rockets and spacecraft to our kids and our grandkids. New used rockets for sale. Start your mining colony today.
@zerg9523 2 роки тому
@@robertothigpen511 - i was sold by red dwarf… i’m just waiting for deep core mining ships to come down in price…
@arjunamin9399 3 роки тому
BASK IN THE GLORY OF A 1 HOUR LONG VIDEO!
@erichayes2890 3 роки тому
Extremely rare!
@lieutenantnomad9198 3 роки тому
EFAP: "Hold my rhino milk!"
@lillygordon6259 Рік тому
Great work Tim, I'm a big lover of Project Apollo and how America in just over 8 years went from a few minutes in sub orbital space to landing men on the moon. Thanks for all your hard work and great informative videos. After watching SLS twice fail to launch and Starship being a crazy system to land on the moon just can't figure out why NASA has gone for these systems.
@ctraltdel6510 4 місяці тому
Cause they cant fake it with spacex
@iCombustibleLemon 3 роки тому
this videos are so great. i can watch them over and over. each time i learn new stuff!
@danielaroka4620 3 роки тому
Tim drops Artemis vs Apollo video Me: this does put a smile on my face
@jefffradsham2297 3 роки тому
the scary part, is none of the listed launch vehicles have flown yet.
@fezii9043 3 роки тому
Starship is coming, baby!
@Imbeachedwhale 3 роки тому
The first Saturn V launch was less than two years before Apollo 11 (20 months). The scheduled lunar landing is in 2024 (no month that I know of), with most of the relevant rockets planning to fly in 2021, though SLS and Super Heavy may slip to early 2022. At minimum, the rockets for the return will have more time between the first launch and the actual lunar mission, and its unlikely we’ll see significant problems like the pogo oscillations that plagued the early Saturn V launches. It’s also nearly certain that every rocket except SLS will have more launches by that mission than the Saturn V, as they’re commercial vehicles in a growing and competitive industry.
@adamrezabek9469 3 роки тому
@@Imbeachedwhale tbh, it is really unlikely that first Artemis mission to moon. Will be 2024. More like 2026
@jordonberkove7438 3 роки тому
Starship flew, it just landed a bit hard the first time.
@adamrezabek9469 3 роки тому
@@jordonberkove7438 SN5 and SN6 landed. But landing is not all
@miikapekk5155 2 роки тому
Wow this is the best video do far! Really enjoyed watching it , thank you for the effort!
@wort1959 3 роки тому
A first class video. A lot of content zero waffle. Well done.
@thomasbakkenmoe6605 3 роки тому
Blessed be this day! The everyday astronaut has posted!
@eok778 3 роки тому
🙏🙏🙏
@n1k0n_ 3 роки тому
Blessed be the moon fruit.
@jacobbennett7891 3 роки тому
Last time I was this early Tim used to wear his orange suit
@nicosmind3 3 роки тому
Last time i was this early Tim's dad had just finished pulling out
@jacobbennett7891 3 роки тому
.......
@Tuning3434 3 роки тому
@@nicosmind3 Why where you there?
@PaulPaulPaulson 3 роки тому
and it needed ironing, too
@nicosmind3 3 роки тому
@@Tuning3434 Isnt that answer obvious?? Tim's mum of course
@johndoepker7126 2 роки тому
Hey Tim, jus rewatching some of your videos... watched the Firefly interview, and pt,2 wit Elon....even tho this vid is a year old....with the rapid progess of the Starship program an the snail's pace of SLS....you nailed it with this one.
@nononono3421 2 роки тому
Without strong commercial incentives, I fear this will end up going nowhere. I think Musk knows as much, and is doing everything he can to make sure SpaceX won't rely on government funding. After Starlink, the next step might be fast cargo delivery from Earth to Earth, then on to space mining.
@robertothigpen511 2 роки тому
We need to get together and buy one of those things. And make some money 🤑💰. On the moon. $ 100.000 To get in. Mine team One.
@derpaton4354 2 роки тому
Starlink is a fluke and hemoraging spacex money. It is a commersially unfeasable program, unfortuatly i fear starlink will be the death of spacex which is unfortuate. It is littering space around our planet with dangerous space junk increasing the chances for kessler syndrom with each sattelite that they are throwing into LEO. If spacex doesn't cut starlink off like the cancerous tumor that it is spacex will fail
@robertothigpen511 2 роки тому
@@derpaton4354 .. / military application. Gear of war. Halo. Just exhausted dreams. Food delivery 🚚. Large payload of food. Rescue teams search and rescue.
@tomdolan9761 2 роки тому
Starlink will make the Tesla Pi the new IPhone at which point Musk will be the first trillionaire giving him the personal wealth to lead us to be a multi planetary species. F those government clowns
@robertothigpen511 2 роки тому
@@tomdolan9761 moon slavery . Get your first day moon slave?
@slimeking101 3 роки тому
I love how there is just a section called RANT 😂🤣
@bengad.1724 3 роки тому
The Rant section was good!
@-ragingpotato-937 3 роки тому
Best presented and most informative rant on youtube.
@keithrobertson8096 3 роки тому
Ideot he just put his kneck on the line with NASA and Jim B . That's Funny !!!!!!
@wes_d 3 роки тому
Same rant applies to most government programs...good job Tim.
@frankagustinus5508 3 роки тому
When Tim started ranting, I was like .. YEAHH !!! That's rite !! Yeahh .. Preach it brotha !!
@aswler 3 роки тому
An amazing and professional video! Thanks a lot for this great content.
@Hardik1115 Рік тому
I think that the best part of Artemis is the Lunar Gateway in the elliptical Moon Orbit since it can be used by potentially any partner and will be somewhat similar to ISS.
@noname117spore 3 роки тому
Woo, this video has been hyped. Going to be a fun watch!
@zidani.s6712 3 роки тому
I agree
@HunterKutz 3 роки тому
I've been watching SLS's development for the past decade. And your rant is music to my ears. It is awesome to hear someone bring up the huge scandal of NASA's contractors being careless with taxpayer money. But at the end of the day we have a deep spacecraft now, and I'm just happy we have something that is almost ready to fly.
@brianwheeldon4643 3 роки тому
either nasa's contractors or what we have now- jeff bezos, bill gates, elon musk et al... take your pick it's all the same, one kind of corruption or another.
@HunterKutz 3 роки тому
Brian Wheeldon I understand what you’re saying about corruption. This is why it is vital that we all pay close attention to what is going on around us. It is our job to hold Our Governments to the mark. Otherwise we will be stuck spinning our wheels for 30 years like with the Space Shuttle (Sorry to be tip toeing into politics, but this is important.)
@merendell 3 роки тому
@@HunterKutz Problem is for every 1 of us that actualy pays attention and tries to hold our government and representitives to the mark theres 1000 that dont pay attention at all and vote because theres a D or R next to the name. Thats not even considering all the people that keep voteing in the same guy who's fighting to keep the wasteful programs running because they ensured a critical widget was manufactured in their district resulting in millions of $'s comeing in for what would be a 5$ part in any other program.
@zerosugarmatcha7348 3 роки тому
@@merendell Not all corruptions are created equal, the tea party running NASA is the least wasteful we taxpayers possibly get for now.
@badtrekee4348 3 роки тому
@@brianwheeldon4643 how is MUSK corrupt ??????
@jeremysmallman1645 2 місяці тому
Wow!!! Brilliant job all around on this piece. I will need to watch a few times to fully absorb everything. Many, many thanks to everyone involved.
@dw734 Рік тому
How did I miss this video a year ago? Excellent Tim!
@myguy6762 3 роки тому
I’m currently studying Aerospace Engineering and I hope to one day design such rockets. Your videos have really inspired me and I have actually used your videos as some sources in some of my high school projects. Really great work Tim!
@hawkdsl 3 роки тому
Obviously from this video... it's where the real money is. Good choice. You'll be able to afford a really hot chick.
@MonkeyKing3333 3 роки тому
@@hawkdsl Even musk can't afford that.
@David-yo5ws 3 роки тому
You must have a great school that teaches Aerospace Engineering! Glad your making good use of your education. The biggest advances that Elon has done, is with his Metallurgy Engineers in development of the Raptor engine. There are many aspects of engineering. Find the one you like the most and see what specialist role you can get a job in. Then aim for that. That's my suggestion. May as well enjoy your work than be pushed into something you don't get inspired by.
@MonkeyKing3333 3 роки тому
@@David-yo5ws That's great advice for everyone.
@David-yo5ws 3 роки тому
@@MonkeyKing3333 Yeah, that's the advice I DIDN'T get when I was a kid. I'm now 60 and tried to change my career in my 40's. Though top of the class, fell flat on my face. No one wants an apprentice at that age. Now they are screaming out for trained people in the field that I couldn't get an apprenticeship with? Now I have no sympathy for that industry, just watch them go out of business, one by one.
@johncakes5661 3 роки тому
27:29 RIP to the camera man who got left on the moon so he could get this shot
@TheWagonroast 3 роки тому
can't wait until someone says "He DiDnT GeT StUcK HeS NoT a PeRsOn"
@maxattack3853 3 роки тому
@@TheWagonroast He DiDnT GeT StUcK HeS NoT a PeRsOn
@AdamNDJ 3 роки тому
They picked him up on the next mission.
@navalca9686 3 роки тому
@@AdamNDJ no they used the Gemini SRS
@qwertyeet 3 роки тому
@@maxattack3853 oh no
@markseymour940 2 роки тому
Great program, Tim. Thanks for bringing it to our attention and thanks for your effort
@liftinnovations 2 роки тому
Great video, noticed your metric to imperial conversion for the capsules volume at 7:25-ish is incorrect.
@Darth_Revan25 3 роки тому
Tim Dodd, The Everyday Astronaut turns into The Angry Astronaut when the costs are spoken about! 😆
@fakecubed 3 роки тому
I honestly don't care how much it costs. There's massive opportunity costs for *not* going back to space, and they outweigh rockets costing several orders of magnitude greater. The Apollo program was expensive, but we ultimately profited from it financially as well as culturally and scientifically. While getting costs down is a good thing, obviously, I'd rather spend more now to get something ASAP than wait.
@ryanab01 3 роки тому
As well as he (or anyone) should.
@Andytlp 3 роки тому
@@fakecubed think elon musk said something about life on 2 planets means 1 extra life. 2 lives better than 1. Every waking moment theres a chance a rogue planet or asteroid rams earth and end life just like that. We would probably know weeks in advance but that wouldnt change anything. What angers me most is when people see this as a waste of money and instead argues it should be funneled to problems at hand. Problems we have cant be solved once and done forever. if we do then our humanity's future is sealed into extinction.
@kennethschultz6465 3 роки тому
Tim is a Space X fanboy .. that's why
@fakecubed 3 роки тому
The cult of Elon Musk is probably the worst fandom in existence right now. Want to talk about costs? Look into how much the US taxpayer has subsidized his businesses over the years. SpaceX is just another Boeing or McDonnell Douglas, but we’re supposed to think it’s something new. All that’s new is there’s a rich egomaniac taking up the spotlight instead of thousands of anonymous engineers working government contracts same as it ever was.
@51m0n397 3 роки тому
Tim: the costs for artemis are insane, how is this possible? Me: Easy, corruption!
@peterloftus6259 3 роки тому
Simone Bartolini Answer: Boeing : The only company where safety features are optional upgrades...
@AirShark95 3 роки тому
B O E I N G, a cancer in the aerospace world.
@ronniebauman28 3 роки тому
Jixuan & Sebastian can tell you also. Corporate lobbyists by Boeing & Lockheed Martin.
@sawspitfire422 3 роки тому
It’s because SLS is a jobs program for the state of Alabama. They’re essentially using billions in taxpayer money from all over the country to keep people employed in one specific part of the country. Make of that what you will
@matthewconnor5483 3 роки тому
SLS = Senate Launch System. I oversaw a gov contact once. I was so pissed about all the money I lost from my program to all the legal requirements in gov contracting.
@eeehan77 3 роки тому
Tim I've watched most of the stuff you've produced, but your "Rant" section here is probably my most favourite part of all.
@tonyduncan9852 2 роки тому
You're absolutely right about USA, NASA and Artemis. Loved the graphics, spreadsheets, and your presentation as a whole. (Cough) the music. :)
@o-manthehuman7867 3 роки тому
"no cost overruns" NASA: laughs in sunken cost fallacy
@twichy4life1 3 роки тому
It could be just an easy vehicle to fund black book programs, it is Northrop and Boeing. Two Zombie Companies that are in massive amounts of debt to the Government (Financial control) who build and hold A LOT of advanced technologies that are necessary for national defense.
@fakecubed 3 роки тому
@@twichy4life1 You may have a point. It's been pretty clear for many years now that the F-35 program is just a money laundering program for Lockheed Martin's black projects (particularly in the drone area).
@jacekrowinski5637 3 роки тому
@@fakecubed You maybe right but F35 is a major advance tech speaking.
@RabbitsInBlack 2 роки тому
Military spends way more in just 1 FRICKEN PLANE!!!!
@sir_vix 2 роки тому
@@jacekrowinski5637 so right. People continually underestimate the utility of the F35 being a stealthy networked mini-AWACS. Whether they perform as well in a dogfighting paradigm (which is likely an anachronism at this point) is a point of contention that really misses the point: f35s are designed to fight like wolves.
@L4r5man 3 роки тому
The problem with SLS is just bad project management. But Jim seems to be fixing that.
@badtrekee4348 3 роки тому
It's a job program dude. They don't care about getting to the Moon or anywhere else. Jim can't do anything congress funds NASA.
@shatterpointgames 3 роки тому
@@badtrekee4348 Thank you, people don't understand that. NASA only exists to spend money and they do a great job at it, if something gets accomplished so be it, but the important thing is that money gets spent and jobs are created.
@571173 3 роки тому
You just might be my new favorite youtuber. Incredible video
@zrodger2296 Рік тому
Re-watching this in April 2023. So excited for the upcoming launch of Starship!
@szabowabo91 3 роки тому
Well done, Tim! You’re the only guy on UKposts who can get me to click on a video that is longer than ~20 minutes and keep me watching until the end. Thank you!
@markymark3075 3 роки тому
Makes you realise how amazing Apollo was 50 years ago
@nedbainbridge308 3 роки тому
52 years ago
@xoxscalettaxox 3 роки тому
Juì. Vml
@theconspiracydentist Рік тому
Almost TOO amazing to be true.
@maxv9464 Рік тому
@@theconspiracydentist Definitely not, though.
@theconspiracydentist Рік тому
@@maxv9464 definitely not true? Or definitely not too amazing?
@josephmelnick3446 2 роки тому
Tim, Tim, Tim... Once again you've provided a cornucopia of knowledge, analysis, and insight that is truly a treasure. While I can't be a Patreon supporter, I wish I could send you a case of Tang and Space Food Sticks to keep you going. Lovvvvvve your content and enthusiasm.
@GabelhelmSogarbraten 2 роки тому
What made Apollo work were the people working on it, the absolute madlad astronauts who went to the moon like george Mallory to everest and the absolute superstar engineers working with 60s tech, building their own tools, digging into problems and getting their hands dirty. We might have modern computers now we might have high precision tools now but what we should also look for people like we had back then
@Drake811 3 роки тому
Anyone who is surprised that retrofitting an older solution is so expensive has clearly never worked on legacy code. Making modifications to an existing system can be just as hard as building a new system sometimes.
@west_adv 3 роки тому
Yes, and that's why it was so stupid to use 50 years old technology instead of inviting somethig new and really better.
@Christopher_TG 3 роки тому
@@west_adv The issue is that if NASA tried to rebuild everything from scratch and it didn't work, it would be a huge political black eye and the program could get completely scrapped. NASA learned that the hard way with the space shuttle program. When it comes to the politics of keeping the Artemis program going, the best option is the more expensive but safer route of basically reconfiguring and updating the Apollo systems rather than the potentially cheaper but far riskier option of building something completely new.
@vincewilson1 3 роки тому
The U.S.A. government can't ever upgrade old technology without huge additional costs. It's all that corruption in congress and so forth.
@sovietman2591 3 роки тому
Well in fairness to Aerojet Rockdyne, the RS-25 is still one of the best engines ever made with many unique and powerful features like having the ability to run at 105% thrust, a unique nozzle that sorta compensates for the altitude, highest specific impulse of any liquid engine that has flown and the first fully reusable engine. However I do agree to build something new or to completely refit the engine for modern manufacturing techniques but building a new engine takes time, a lot of money, no guarantee that it will perform the way you want or even if the engine is needed to begin with. Cough cough F-1B engine
@jameslarrison9383 3 роки тому
I''m not so sure that Tim is surprised as much as he knows most of his audience will be surprised. Congress has turned this part of NASA into jobs program, not a space program.
@Awgolas 3 роки тому
The increased mission duration is actually a very interesting perspective, and definitely makes the enormous costs significantly more palatable. Also the head of human spaceflight was forced to resign in May due to improper contact with Boeing regarding their lunar lander submission really proves that indefinite cost overruns and delays won't be acceptable moving forward.
@ericpilon9067 2 роки тому
Thank you for getting all this info out there to us. It's amazing how much humankind is out of touch with space news. I'm really excited. If only one of my kids get interested in space news it would make me proud.
@Afrocanuk 2 роки тому
@ 30:01 As far as the 5% chance of each Apollo mission being successful, you forgot Apollo 10!!! It was more terrifying than Apollo 13 as the lunar lander came 2 seconds from smashing into the moon with 2 astronaut onboard.
@edki669 3 роки тому
A few words on Orions Service Module: I think it makes sense for it to be so small, since Orion isn't just build for the moon, but it is also supposed to be used for Mars. When you build a capsule solely for the Moon, like Apollo CSM, the approach of having the command module do all the pushing around and returning to earth makes sense, since things are generally lighter that 30 tons and Delta-V requirements are only 2x800 m/s=1600m/s. However, when you look at a Mars Mission, different components can easily weigh more than 50 tons and Delty-V requirements for capture and return are much bigger. Giving Orion a Service Module big enough to accomplish all those goals would be hugely inefficient and would turn Orion more into a crewed space tug than simply a manned capsule. All the pushing-around would be done by high-energy transfer stages like the blie Origin lander one. I feel like Artemis' weird approach to lunar landing is not only dictated by the need to communicate 24/7, but also by Orion's Mars-worthy construction.
@henryfleischer404 3 роки тому
I still can't believe that the Orion capsule is going to mars. How can a crew stay healthy in such a small area, especially without gravity?
@edki669 3 роки тому
@@henryfleischer404 Well you would bring an habitation module along with you
@GregMchannel 3 роки тому
@@edki669 I don't understand your comment about the command module doing all the pushing around. This makes no sense.
@notheisenbear5686 3 роки тому
I'll bet you a million dollars that Orion never goes to Mars (except as a display piece for the martian air and space museum).
@timothyblazer1749 3 роки тому
Until you compared SLS to Saturn V, I had no idea how much less capable we had become. It's profoundly crazy that we never kept the F1 on the board and lost our ability to produce them.
@sebastianjakubzik2807 2 роки тому
especially where f1a was ready in general, what would have been a nice improvement
@Kynareth6 2 роки тому
So little progress in NASA rockets since 1969.
@ViperPilot16 Рік тому
The F1 as great of an engine as it is is just outdated. Putting it on new rockets would be like trying to get 4k on a CRT screen. The engines on the SLS are proven, while Starships are not.
@vincentkorie632 Рік тому
@@ViperPilot16 but then the F1 could be modded for todays use. i strongly belive and have faith on the F1. my take is why not re-engineer the F1 to a much modern vehicle engine? its crazy going backwards....with a much more powerful engine and eficeint engine missions will surely get better
@KertaDrake 2 роки тому
For Starship, they really should put a detachable capsule at the top of it for the lunar landing models. Every time they go, they leave what is essentially useful future habitation behind. "Virtually impossible to have cost overruns" - You REALLY underestimate modern space programs and their ability to find creative ways to spend ridiculous amounts of money unnecessarily...
@mryee9001 2 роки тому
I like how different SpaceX's approach is Trial and error basically 2 stages and the upper stage/lander is HUGE compared to others
@java4653 10 місяців тому
Very amusing to read the insanity of the MuskCult as it ages.
@fcgHenden 3 роки тому
SLS is like going to the mechanic because your car won't start. You: How much will it cost? Mech: As much as a brand new car? You: What? Mech: Oh, and we'll take parts from your old car so you can't use those anywhere else. Aaand, we'll take your garage to build your car with your old parts (not gonna return it). You: Okay fine. Just get it going. Mech: You get 8 trips. 🤣🤣😭😭 fk Boing. boing! boing!
@JCouch444 3 роки тому
Phenomenal vid!! This is as good or better than anything I've seen on Discovery, National Geographic, PBS, ect. I love the fact that you don't dumb down the content but rather take your audience to be as smart as anyone else. Script, graphics, everything is A+! You could not have done a better job. You have created a unique space for your self that feels like your calling ...few ever achieve this. God bless!!
@brettwarren5976 3 роки тому
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@romjencornista2197 3 роки тому
Yu
@stuartbrown1677 3 роки тому
This is a simply amazing report I really enjoyed it Well done team Stuart in ireland
@orbitalhippie5941 3 роки тому
Tim: conservative cost for first lunar lander; $10 (billion) SpaceX: tHrEe, take it or leave it
@m.streicher8286 3 роки тому
So if we snagged 11% of the military's budget, one year, we could fund the entire program? Boy am I proud to be an american :/
@nukularpictures 3 роки тому
@Lovecraft No one is going to die either if the navy does not get new ships. Ever heard of upgrades? Those ships are still state of the art. Also new carriers are being build and the Zumwalt-Class as well. Hell how many more new ships do you want? Do you want to exchange all of the ships withing like 30 years? I mean 11% are easily possible without compromising anything. Hell even 50% would be fine.
@nukularpictures 3 роки тому
@Lovecraft How about just reduce the military then? You dont need so many ships, no overworking, and keep out of foreign affairs. Win, win, win.
@trezapoioiuy 3 роки тому
Seriously, no country would even think of attacking the US anyway.
@trezapoioiuy 3 роки тому
@Lovecraft no, just that it could be lower and still well enough for defense. Of course defense isn't enough for the US. since they could probably rename the DoD to DoO, as that's all they've been doing after WW2 - I count WW2 as defense since Japan did pose a threat to the US. But yeah, civilians from other countries in the world that would never be able to harm the US anyway won't die by themselves. Well, actually they would, but not as quickly so funding is required after all.
@trezapoioiuy 3 роки тому
@Lovecraft I'd be ok with defending my country if someone actually attacked it. Going somewhere around the world bombing someone's family to express the military might of my country - not an ambition of mine. It's easy to be pro war when you are over a century away from the last time war affected the civilian population on your own territory, so it's easy for the US to forget that's a thing. War affects everyone, not just those in the military. I don't want that on my land, but if nobody's gonna do that to me, I ain't bringing that to anyone's homes either. Living as a civilian in a land ravaged by a war you didn't even want would do good for that attitude of yours.
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