He deserves a real investigation. The public deserves a real investigation.

We'll find out what happened...in a few years.

I'm pretty sure that it wasn't Boeing who killed John Barnett cause that would be absolutely foolish at this point of time. There is an undisclosed geopolitical background to the whole Boeing mess, and I doubt that this will ever be disclosed to the public. Those geopolitical groups, who are the original initiators of this Boeing mess, are those who killed John Barnett !

Nothing, he did it to himself

I'm not waving the flag for Boeing. But your comment doesn't help anyone. We do NOT know what Boeing did to John Barnett. His death is unlikely to have been caused by Boeing, even though the possibility cannot be completely discounted.

Did the families of 100's of dead people on the crashed 737 Max planes ever get properly compensated?

Let’s just call it what it is: they’re criminally liable.

@@guadaluperincon7822 And The Whistleblower is now Dead ... how Conveeeeeenient..

"criminally liable" executives need to go to jail for criminal negligence. To install a software system to take control over flying the plane without the knowledge of the pilots is criminal, What if cars on the highway all of a sudden started to brake on their own.

​@@gnubians9400Try a car with collision avoidance systems...it does brake on its own...to your benefit, but scares the heck out of you when it does.

Most people likely find it fishy too but unless it is proven it remains a theory and any platform following its own guidelines will sensor it. Google would be right in doing so if they weren't constantly cherry picking which comments get filtered. There absolutely needs to be outside investigations. I will leave it at that.

Good example being google deleted my initial comment. You aren't alone in this realization. Cherry picking doesn't help their case in the slightest when they leave qanon level crazy hanging with the rest of the laundry. It is in fact a theory until proven but if they are going to sensor one they should sensor all, period. What should be expected from a corporation that vetoed 'never be evil' right out of their policy.

@@K-Kori They don't censorr the countless BlueAnon tools who accuse fellow Americans of being Russians either

​@K-Kori Quit spreading misinformation and you won't get sends herd.

@@K-Kori Someone reported your comment under one of the categories. Let us know if youtube sends you a note. I would get warnings when I changed the spelling of George Santos first name to a phonetic Spanish version. What can I say...the devil made me do it..

I wish Sully was the CEO or on the board of Boeing.

Sully is the best

Operating this way isn't profitable. They've experienced a general loss of competence, like much of American society.

These CEOs is what’s wrong with Americans business today. They do not care about anything other than profit. Safety and integrity in your work has nothing to do with their philosophy.

@@GDuncan8002 Quite so. America caught more than COVID-19. There is a growing malaise and the outcome isn't good. Once the public become disenchanted with your business it's exceptionally hard to win them back. Sure, the public has little options when it comes to flying but if people try to make a choice as to the type of plane airlines will take notice. Time will tell how the new COMAC will fit into the scheme of things.

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@@jackieallen3344 The CEO wasn't the one who didn't put 4 bolts in the door. The bolts were purchased, the bolts were on the shop floor. Some union worker didn't install them and some QA guy didn't look to see if they were installed. How is that a CEO who is only looking at profits? Explain how the CEO saved money.

This Captain is amazing and he tells it like he sees it. A very great and unselfish person. In a culture of selfishness, we need more Captain Sullenbergers.

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🧠 ~ Umm, it would’ve been a better idea to get rid of him BEFORE he told investigators every single thing he knew and got a lot of attention for his lawsuit. Don’t ya think? smh There have been many other whistleblowers that are walking around just fine too. But I do think they might have purposely made his life so miserable to have him drop the case and to be a warning to other people not to do stuff like this either. And that might have drove him to be depressed. But what is shocking is you don't even seem to consider the fact that maybe he really did end himself. But considering the Bolinh people are at least halfway intelligent, they're probably not going to end him in a way that's going to make the Internet go crazy like it is known to do. We have to think about these logical things. But I know people list to believe in all this stuff. Last thing I’ll say is coincidences happen all the time. Even though this is not necessarily some crazy coincidence. If anybody doesn’t know they happen all the time then they fall into the category of people who don’t have much knowledge outside of what they have personally experienced. I just heard about another situation a couple days ago or two men checked onto an airplane and they both had the same first and last name and they looked so much like that they could’ve been brothers. And they both had many similar hobbies. Crazy crap happens all the time.c

They did what they had to do to keep their stockholders happy with strong quarterly profits and large dividends. I’m far from a communist, but this is what happens when capitalism is taken to the extreme.

Made in USA has become a running joke…sad to see how bad it’s become.

That’s what you get when you have people like Ivan Boesky giving a commencement speech at Harvard Business school and telling tomorrow’s CEOs that “greed is good!” and at the end of that speech giving that animal a standing ovation.

I hope you are not implying that these problems are the result of former McDonnell Douglas (BTW, you spelled it wrong) managers/execs leadership. The Boeing MD merger was basically a hostile takeover. After the merger the CEO was a former Boeing guy. The corporate HQ was the Boeing HQ. All former MD execs who were present for the merger in 1996 have been long ago retired or died. This whole mess is due to BOEING's lack of leadership, integrity, and values. Boeing leaders today do anything to pump up the quarterly stock price and sacrifice the long term good of the company for short term profits in order to get an annual bonus and promotion. Greed is running rampant at Boeing. DEI is another issue at Boeing that needs to be addressed. You cannot expect a company to produce good products that require engineering and highly skilled labor when you are making hiring and promotions decisions based on DEI. Boeing execs have probably spent more time on DEI than they have on getting top the real root of issues like the 737 MAX fiasco.

I think it started before the merger. There's evidence they knew about the rudder problem that destroyed flight 585 in '92, but they told the FAA that it was the wind.

Don't forget the electrical fault with the 747 cargo door on United 811 in 1989.

Outsourcing isn't inherently an issue, Airbus outsources, many industries do this Quality assurance is the issue, and that comes from the top You don't hire salesmen and MBA's to run engineering companies

They moved their hq to Arlington, VA.

​@@db-mp2ofThe kind of Outsourcing Airbus does was not .the amateurishh thing Boeing dis when developing the 787. Better research on how they do it thean make presumptions. Boeing had no business outsourcing when they had internal capacity to do it better.

@@vs6300 Airplanes are made from thousands of parts, and Boeing doesn't engineer and manufacture all those parts and sub-assemblies, the engines being the biggest and most obvious example. Same thing with all the electronics and other systems.

@@williamedwards1528 Thanks for your input, but you need to read on the botched and amateurish outsourcing Boeing did while making the 787. Before you outsource, you need to put several things in consideration, like precision components cannot be outsourced to just anyone. Airplane parts are not burger buns and in this industry there are only two main manufacturers. Outsourcing requires a pool of clients to spread costs around to. A company outsourcing to another company which has no other clients for the same product will receive junk. I recently visited a company in Germany that manufactures 95%of all its components internally and it is a thriving company. Now, you need a lesson on the Airbus production and why it is successful system than make a statement in ignorance.

And it isn't purported integrity. It is a known fact by all.

Absolutely Right! I was a QA Supervisor. You cannot inspect your way to quality.

Key word there is *Engineers* . The people making these decisions are not engineers and even worse don't want to listen to engineers.

​@@writerconsideredDon't forget the mechanics.... Those guys operate where 'the rubber meets the road', the engineers who run the company should be in constant touch with them too and hearing about their observations and experiences. The communication should be from the bottom up so that the big decisions include all facets of the business. It's all about teamwork. This is not about capitalism gone wrong, this is about stupidity and not rewarding the attributes in people that count towards a great, safe product.

@@writerconsideredwhen bean counters run the show engineering takes second place . I refuse to fly in a machine built by bean counters because their parameters only measure cost and profit . Safety and quality last . It’s a paradox that nowadays we have more technology than ever and build ever worsening aircraft.

The names and buzzwords change, but it used to be known as TQM: Total Quality Management. One comparison was US versus Japanese car companies. Japanese companies spent more time on the production line getting it right, and didn't have to have a massive rework line after a car was completed. Rework cost more than getting it right.

Airforce pilots are the best trained to fly planes when the computers cannot be relied on.

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Late-stage capitalism.

@@str8ballinSA yes because socialism works so well😂

@@Blacks4trump2024 I never said it works better. That is your own conclusion.

Oh deregulation is the problem. Thank you Trump.😮

@@str8ballinSA ok my b...alot of you libs think that way tho

It was an Airbus-320, supporting Sully with automated safety systems, making ist for example possible to fly the slowest possible in the best angle. Actually, there was no time to properly prepare the ditching. Yes, it was great flying and airmanship that day, accompanied by a plane that supported the pilots in the best way possible. Boing, on the other hand, has got a different philosophy.

​@@superniemandMost of the systems failed on him on that day, so it was an every man for himself kind of situation. As he said "human factors save the day".

​@@superniemandIt had everything to do with him being an Airforce pilot with proper training. If only I could ensure all my flights were with RAF and USAF trained pilots lol

@@mdhazeldine that's wrong the double birdstrike create several Fail the bus and the early APU start are big parts human factors good ingenieurring

@@ArohaStill That had nothing to do with it, but pop off sis.

There are many awesome pilots!! I'm sure Sully would agree.

I am sure the majority of pilots are like Sully. If this is enough: time will tell.

I believe most pilots are just like him.

no his name is ‘Sully’

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sully and airbus

Of course his career goes far beyond the Hudson miracle.

I’ve heard this referred to as “corporate antibodies”. By default, a corporation will revert to its existing culture. Boeing now has a culture of cost-cutting, and the corporate antibodies will attack anything conflicting with that culture.

I'm sorry for your frustration. I've seen it in the handful of companies I've worked for, as well, and in less time. It's always been cheaper to do things right the first time, and that goes for all businesses in all industries. People just lose patience when things get hectic, and that patience doesn't come back without serious help. I've seen new managers come in and try to set things in a better direction, only to be beaten down over a few months by the counter-quality habits they're surrounded by. Then they either give in and join the crowd, or move on to another company.

They have no idea how much they'll be losing, in that 2-3 years when you go. None at all. They might learn it afterward, however - hopefully without costing lives.

I hope you will stay long enough to help turn the company around! Please! We desperately need people exactly like yourself to step up right now! You can save human lives, god knows how many you could save if you speak up while you’re still able to make a difference! Train the newbies who are lost and teach them how to do quality work. We really need your help! And thank you for all your hard work over the years

Tendency for 2-3 years will be getting a higher ESG score, this public scandal may be forgotten soon

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Nailed it! At work, we had lean managers from corporate come tell us how we can fit 12 hours worth of work in 8 lol. They told us to cut the fat! Awful. They were trying to work us to death.

It may be the woke culture that around 2000 started to take over companies, beginning at the lower echelons but now taking over managements of companies. Indeed, companies now suffer under politically "motivated" management.

When you give executives stock options, that's what happens. Stock options are useless unless the stock rises, so their companies become stock pumping machines. A lot of long-standing companies are just parasites now - just using the original company's reputation to bleed it dry. And new companies aren't much better. Mostly their business plans don't make sense or are actually fraudulent. Or they require the destruction of an entire industry so their "disruptive" business can force everyone to use their low quality, over priced alternative.

I work with plenty of incompetent people, none of them who check any of the DEI boxes...

@@da1247 Lucky you, certainly not in the US.

​@@da1247oh you are so righteous... 🙄

I've always been of the mind that managers should start by doing the jobs of the people they oversee. Direct experience cannot be duplicated academically. My best, and most memorable managers _did_ start out at the bottom.

My former father-in-law (now deceased) was the last actual Aeronautical Engineer to head up what was then British Aerospace. He was hands on to say the least and had a list of achievements most can only dream of - such as designing the English Electric Lightning. Worked on TSR2 and Concorde as well. If you are making something as complex as a commercial airliner or jet fighter you really need to understand the business you are in and have the integrity to call it out when things are not right. I also worked for an interiors company in the 90's supplying Boeing and Airbus. To get into Boeing you had to meet their 6 Sigma standard which was really tough. They would send inspectors to the factory to make sure. Back then the rule was if you couldn't test it, it didn't go on the aeroplane.

Engineers are hard to find, so do not get promoted anymore. Too valuable to waste being given management jobs - instead someone fresh out of college with a management degree will be put in charge and they’ll be given a set of “KPIs” to hit and some boxes to tick

@@alancooper4368 What does his flying an airbus have to do with his knowledge of safety and aviation? Safety regulations don’t change from plane to plane and also B and AB aircrafts are pretty similar, especially in basic structure.

Some people are just stupid. @@ravenm6443

No need. Even I know what has to change.

Remember the Al Jazeera documentary on the 787? 10 years ago now.

Makes sense.

Unfortunately the rush to market mentality is literally killing us. Mistakes are made, critical components not tested or not tested thoroughly enough, shortcuts taken that shouldn’t be taken, risks classified by cost ie. It is cheaper to deal with the result of failure than to spend ‘x’ dollars on removing the risk. This thinking is everywhere, in everything. Just ask anyone in any industry that sees what happens on the shop floor, not the company line or mouthpieces that are paid to make these organisations look good to investors.

And WALL STREET is filled with too many ASSISTANT SECRETARY TO THE ASSISTANT SECRETARY'S ASSISTANT SECRETARY .

And then they give the CEO a big bonus to leave.

The CEO's annual compensation (about $22.5M or so) could pay to train 500 A&P mechanics...far more value added...

They get paid to destroy companies and lives

@@tomking1890They should be ashamed & shamed !

Absolutely spot on

@@paulkrenz9593 It’s everywhere, in every engineering branch of every company. Blind eyes abound.

Great idea.

I second the motion. As a matter of National Security and since the US financially assits the company it should also have its own engineers on that Board.

Yes!

As an ambassador/consultant, he's able to (at least try to) help many people in many companies. On a board, he'd be able to be outvoted and ignored by people from only one company. Sometimes people are already where they're supposed to be, even if they'd _also_ do a good job elsewhere.

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Also, Safety, second, third and forth.

Absolutely. All it does is artificially increase their share price so management makes a killing

They spent about $42.5B-ish on buy-backs between 2013 and 2019, and threw a few billion into the 777X. They should have bought better equipment, helped out the suppliers so they didn't have to cut corners/quality, and invested in better mechanic training programs.

especially combined with free shares as bonuses to the board members... they do have an incentive to boost artificially the share prices...

Stock buyback should be illegal. Apple does it all the time, while their disposable computers come with sky high prices.

@@DerekDavis213 you do know that Apple’s computer pricing has nothing to do with them doing buybacks right? They’re pitching their products as a luxury product regular people could aspire to.

He gets a golden parachute and picks his successor … proof nothing will change

100 percent. Aviation industry classes all teach, you are in a 24/7, 7 days a week, a safety industry first and foremost.

It saved money, thus increasing the stock price. That's all they cared about.

The pilots not knowing about MCAS is patently FALSE...

@@B1900pilot Main reports say that documents show the company did not inform the pilots about MCAS. Do you have proof to the contrary?

Boeing, pre - 2000s was exemplary in investing in safety and product development.

LOL Jon Oliver. I must watch so I know to form exactly the opposite view of this T()()L.

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Good comment. Someone at NASA did an interview about Space X and all the disasters they had before they got it right. He noted that NASA never had such a margin of error and an endless amount of investors, so they worked hard to get everything right the first time. And yet they still met with disasters over time.

Yeah, but safety standards are enforced so much more heavily in aviation than in road travel.. Anyone can get behind the wheel of a car and drive. To be a pilot you need extensive training and recertification from time to time. There are also so many more check in place to ensure safety (air traffic control, regularly scheduled maintenance, mandatory regulations etc). Which is why it's generally a much bigger shock when an air disaster happens. Because we put so many things in place to ensure it doesn't.

yeah well you will find that at least a 1000x more people travel with cars than with planes

It was an Airbus A320-200 that he landed on the Hudson.

@@taxiway207 I'm aware.

Whenever I book a flight I get the "Bolt On" Protection option. $30 per bolt. Totally worth it.

Airbus doesn’t have quality problems, they actually know how to build planes

@@mvwoon or Fly Airbus

While having technical competence in leaders helps, it is the appreciation of quality to drive long term success that is needed. That could be done by a non-technical leader.

@@thadsmith4909 That is very true. But I've found that those with an eye for detail and quality tend not to be the ones that get promoted into the C-suites. It's a sad fact I've dealt with in high tech for 40+ years.

I have experience of this - I worked for the engineering division of a large well known company. The head of engineering had a place on the board when I started 30 years ago. After a reorganisation, engineering was placed under ‘Sales’ and when the head of eng retired, he was not replaced. There are now several managers above the engineering dept. All salesmen. The performance of the company has BOMBED ever since and is now, fankly, a s**t show and quality has fallen through the floor. It is a very common experience.

@@SAHBfan This keeps happening and yet boards keep rewarding this insane behaviour. And folks wonder why North American industry and prowess has suffered.

@@SAHBfan Letting salestrash run companies is disastrous.

Boeing does not have the same caliber of engineers as it once had.

Do you have a link to it?

I've worked in automotive. There are two types of engineers: Those who are students of Deming, and those who are late to class.

@@mvwoon I'm happy to see you know of Deming's work!

@@SteveBrant55 me too :)

A 320-214

he flew a lot of different airplanes over his airline career

That plane being Airbus helped in more ways: Stall protection systems helped Sully to avoid constant monitoring of speed while trying to keep speed as slow as possible and especially wings level and make tail contact water first. (wing contacting water first causes cartwheeling) And Baltimore bridge collapse is even better example of NTSB's warnings/recommendations not being heeded. After very similar ship collision and collapse of Sunshine Skyway Bridge in Tampa 44 years ago they recommended protecting support pillars of bridges from ship collisions and new bridge there included those. With how busy and important port Baltimore is you would have thought adding those to this bridge years ago would have been priority.

@@tuunaes Yea, watched a bit of the NTSB press briefing on the bridge, and my take away was in some respect a ticking time b mb situation and that bridge should have been replaced with a design with more redundancy years ago considering the traffic over and under it and importance for the economy. It was a design with singular points of failure that could lead to collapse, and welp, that's what happened. We somehow gotta make investing in infrastructure more tempting to get politicians to prioritize it more... Or vote in better politicians. But neither seem to be what our country is particular good at doing atm. There seems to be fundamental flaws that need to change -- it's too easy for our politicians to buy themselves into seats, and for them to be bought, and for politcial actions to be about relection or political favours more then public good. (also: didn't hear about that about stall protection, that's interesting to learn! Didn't watch the full hudson meetings. Was watching while cleaning and only got like halfway through day 1. It's sad that the movie used NTSB as meetings and so badly portrayed them that some folk still see them that way [as can be seen in comment sections about the event here on youtube]).

They chose the CEO's wife's preferred shopping destination.

Yep. It is sad. Wrong people at the top.

Then they moved their HQ to Virginia to be closer to politicians and regulators in Washington, DC.

@@chow-chihuang4903 I stand corrected

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It boils down to characters and morales.

I agree but there’s also the issue that the processes are fragmented now due to asset and manufacturing sell off. A professional may do best they can but have no sight of the manufacturing of a part they are fitting, or whether its quality checked after more assembly. If there’s a lack of oversight on multiple suppliers and processes it’s a systemic issue