Children's Animation Deserves Better - Doodley

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@doodley3d
@doodley3d Місяць тому
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@JonnelTheGreatest
@JonnelTheGreatest Місяць тому
would if i could
@SOKOffical
@SOKOffical Місяць тому
Hi
@genixlefrench9763
@genixlefrench9763 Місяць тому
​@@JonnelTheGreatestme too
@Deoslime1
@Deoslime1 Місяць тому
first: thanks god cocomelon dosent air here in germany and second: where can i see the show crashbox?
@thedotgiver2820
@thedotgiver2820 Місяць тому
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@AbdulLegendary
@AbdulLegendary Місяць тому
"It's for kids" is the biggest excuse for bad animation and media in general
@allendepacheco3419
@allendepacheco3419 Місяць тому
Especially since there's plenty of bad and immature adult shows like Family Guy. A good kid show is just a good show that happens to be for kids, and a bad kid show is just a bad show that happens to be for kids. Being for kids or adults doesn't automatically make it bad or good.
@jonelrobinson582
@jonelrobinson582 Місяць тому
@@allendepacheco3419Agreed!
@elizawulf8180
@elizawulf8180 Місяць тому
"Adult Comedy" often being the second biggest excuse for bad animation/media, admittedly 😅
@bumblebeegamerreal
@bumblebeegamerreal Місяць тому
People use the exact same excuse for movies like the disney live action remakes and Disney's bad movies. They say that its silly to criticize a movie that is made for kids. Because it is made for kids, therefore, it isnt prone to criticism But like this video says, kids do deserve movies and media that dont treat them like crap. They deserve shows and movies that are compelling and have amazing world building and plot; therefore if people are going to tease others for criticizing a kids show, they should realize they are held on the same standards as non-kids media
@ElectroBlastLuigi
@ElectroBlastLuigi Місяць тому
Kids don't care about animation. Leave them and preschool media alone. Older kids shows had terrible animation but we used to be nostalgic over those.
@JNSStudios2
@JNSStudios2 Місяць тому
If they mark this as a kids video, we riot.
@zEr-ne5ri
@zEr-ne5ri Місяць тому
we must gather more forces.
@candicraveingcloude2822
@candicraveingcloude2822 Місяць тому
How can we riot? No comments if it's marked
@huntedperson3147
@huntedperson3147 Місяць тому
@@candicraveingcloude2822 we go to google headquarters and spraypaint our comments onto the premises
@Haru_3S
@Haru_3S Місяць тому
gather the troops we must make an army
@F-14D_Tomcat
@F-14D_Tomcat Місяць тому
@@candicraveingcloude2822 he didnt say in the comments. We must venture into the world of grass and social interaction
@ZatchZXman
@ZatchZXman Місяць тому
My parents decided to show my sister copious amounts of Coco Melon before going to kindergarten. She did so poorly in school that the teacher had to have a talk with my parents and myself that something had to be done else she'll have to be held back. After giving my parents 10 across the face, I went on a 6 month sabbatical and had to regulate what my sister could watch and tutor her. I had to sit down with her and get her to watch the media I watched when I was growing up, Between the Lions, Electric Company, Cyberchase, Word Girl, Sesame Street, etc, on top of doing activities together such as building legos, go fish, visits to the park, etc. By the end of the 6 months, she not only did complete 180 in performance, she also began reading at a 2nd grade level. She's now more motivated than ever to read and write. The other day she squirreled away my copy of The Hogfather by Terry Pratchet and was able to read aloud the word "archchancellor". If you have kids, DO NOT LET THEM WATCH COCO MELON. It is making them stupid.
@mastermoye3915
@mastermoye3915 Місяць тому
Dropped this 👑.
@Horseygirl535
@Horseygirl535 Місяць тому
Same here I hate Coco melon the songs are really annoying it makes you want to bang your head on the wall 😕
@isabeld.paredes4923
@isabeld.paredes4923 Місяць тому
Even as an adult, I used to watch PBS programming for both adults and children. Among their animated shows I used to watch Arthur, Word Girl, The Magic School Bus, and the cartoon segments within Between the Lions, even Cyberchase
@jan_Eten
@jan_Eten Місяць тому
absolute *KING.*
@probablyagoat-gq2gu
@probablyagoat-gq2gu Місяць тому
Completely off topic, squirreled is the longest one syllable word
@marcosortega3350
@marcosortega3350 Місяць тому
8:28 Funny that you say that - the kids in Bluey are actually voiced by kids. For that reason, they’re not credited so they can be raised outside the spotlight. Love to see a production crew that actually cares about these kids.
@thundersheild926
@thundersheild926 Місяць тому
Honestly that's a great approach. Child actor fame is such a massive liability for the child in question. Let them decide if they want to capitalize on the fame after they're old enough to make an informed choice, not before.
@nindza79
@nindza79 Місяць тому
Bluey is an ABC and BBC production. They are national broadcaster, and like all the national broadcasters in Europe, funded a good deal by the taxes (every household pays a monthly tax for the broadcaster, just like they pay for electricity or heating). So, they don't have the pressure of the success of the show, like USA studios have. They don't care about downsizing, tax write-offs and similar things. They are free to craft/order TV shows that will be good for kids, not the one that will be good just for sale. If they sell good, that is a plus, but BBC is not going down if the show doesn't sell. So, those kids don't need fame, they will be compensated for their work, and they will get more work, without the need of mindless self-promotion and the pressure of media spotlight.
@SplashSurfer216
@SplashSurfer216 Місяць тому
@@thundersheild926 indeed. In fact, there are some child voice actors that are open about their roles on Bluey such as Judo and Mackenzie.
@ImNotFunny541
@ImNotFunny541 25 днів тому
Fun Fact: Dude who made Bluey made Dan The Man (Joe Brumm)
@cherriemaesicad8830
@cherriemaesicad8830 11 днів тому
​@@ImNotFunny541no way, i loved that game, i just repeatedly kept beating the final boss cuz i didnt know what to do anymore, still waiting on the sequel
@Plaguedocwhoneedsabreak
@Plaguedocwhoneedsabreak Місяць тому
GOOD GRIEF, HE’S NAKED!
@tubofmacaroni
@tubofmacaroni Місяць тому
Oops stole your comment sorry-
@MilkshakeVA
@MilkshakeVA Місяць тому
Spongebob jokes never get old.
@SushiSpider-tw5ro
@SushiSpider-tw5ro Місяць тому
Took the words straight out of my mouth
@frosgare
@frosgare Місяць тому
SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!
@travelsizedhispasian
@travelsizedhispasian Місяць тому
"✨"
@eskildjohansen3878
@eskildjohansen3878 Місяць тому
This reminds me of one of my favorite quotes: "A children's story that can only be enjoyed by children is not a good children's story in the slightest" -C.S. Lewis
@MKSC74
@MKSC74 Місяць тому
That’s so true.
@princessthyemis
@princessthyemis Місяць тому
wonderful!!
@WolfTamer
@WolfTamer Місяць тому
Reminds me of old school Disney vs modern Disney. Old school was aimed at families not just children, so adults watch it and be just as amused, especially with some of the more mature themes they got away with versus now where it's clearly more skewed towards children.
@themoocow7718
@themoocow7718 Місяць тому
Love that quote. And it’s true.
@Ujulahipobaka121
@Ujulahipobaka121 Місяць тому
Not the best example
@Cptn.Viridian
@Cptn.Viridian Місяць тому
People really be like "think of the kids" and then sit them down in front of the distractotron.
@jan_Eten
@jan_Eten 10 днів тому
couldntve said it better myself, captain viridian
@NinTOONdo64
@NinTOONdo64 Місяць тому
Even Thomas/Railway Series creator Reverend Wilbur Awdry knew that kids were smart and not stupid. "You've got to remember that you're not merely writing for children. You're writing for the unfortunate people; mothers, fathers, aunts, uncles, grandfathers, grandmothers... who've got to read the stories aloud. Not just once, but over and over and over again." -Reverend W. Awdry A quote I wish more writers of children's stories and shows remembered and take note of.
@naesala
@naesala 17 днів тому
This is why I watched loads of Phineas and Ferb as a kid, lol. Wasn't exactly educational but it was a kids show my mom found enjoyable enough to keep on.
@alpyki2588
@alpyki2588 7 днів тому
Exactly. We give kids garbage to watch and read that we ourselves wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole. And then we're surprised when they either warch the most asinine stuff ever conceived or hate reading. Yes, if you give kids just pretty colors or a boring story after boring story, what should you expect?
@Spectacles_
@Spectacles_ Місяць тому
The "Distractatron" is literally the type of machine you'd see in a (well made) kids cartoon episode about teaching kids not to stay in and watch TV all day LMAO. That is _comically_ evil.
@mark-jf5ik
@mark-jf5ik Місяць тому
directly reminds me of black mirror
@thebestbattlecatsplayer8241
@thebestbattlecatsplayer8241 Місяць тому
It's like that one thing from the amazing world of gumball where he has like 7 forms of content and a sandwich just so he stands still
@Gelatinocyte2
@Gelatinocyte2 Місяць тому
Commercially evil
@DuasdaKubelimas
@DuasdaKubelimas Місяць тому
​@@thebestbattlecatsplayer8241 In what episode
@curtistamen540
@curtistamen540 Місяць тому
THE DISTRACTATRON-INATOR
@scarlettefoxx5585
@scarlettefoxx5585 Місяць тому
WordGirl literally features a mad scientist who fights his own psyche and the psyche of a mouse for control of his body. WordGirl is amazing
@tubofmacaroni
@tubofmacaroni Місяць тому
Real
@NickLogoAbk2913
@NickLogoAbk2913 Місяць тому
The ultimate PBS show
@BagleIce
@BagleIce Місяць тому
oddly relateable
@Jaredstortion
@Jaredstortion Місяць тому
@@BagleIce what..
@jakescartoons6045
@jakescartoons6045 Місяць тому
You have no idea how much I want PBS to bring WordGirl back on the air with new episodes. Heck, I'm even willing to write for it if I have to.
@keiyakins
@keiyakins Місяць тому
There's also the fact that kids are information sponges. You don't have to directly *teach* everything for them to learn. For example, a well-written, engaging story is helping kids learn storytelling just by exposing them to it.
@ernie39
@ernie39 10 днів тому
exactly!!
@Iamyolomonkey-ed2gh
@Iamyolomonkey-ed2gh 5 днів тому
Or even just by reading well written books! I picked it up that way myself.
@keiyakins
@keiyakins 5 днів тому
@@Iamyolomonkey-ed2gh Books are a way you can deliver stories, yes.
@yoshisreal
@yoshisreal Місяць тому
I really hate how "family-friendly" has been watered down into 'kidshow fodder' (stuff like Cocomelon and cringe-worthy UKpostsrs like Ryan's World) because the literal term 'family-friendly' was intended to mean that something is suitable for both kids and adults, and I'm glad shows like Bluey and Wordgirl are actually aware that a "family-friendly" show has to appeal to *families*!
@figs-oliomedley
@figs-oliomedley Місяць тому
people nowadays will never understand the sheer pain and panic of realizing you only have one more chance to get a question right and not be a Party Pooper while watching Crashbox
@gwentend0592
@gwentend0592 Місяць тому
you really didn't have to activate my nostalgia like that.
@mildbuffaloenjoyer9510
@mildbuffaloenjoyer9510 Місяць тому
My first childhood crush was Dora smarmy
@sloppiesweeaboocorner
@sloppiesweeaboocorner Місяць тому
It was all about being a super duper pooper scooper in those days haha! Except for ol riddle snake that one scared the hell outta me haha
@hfam6tv689
@hfam6tv689 Місяць тому
@@sloppiesweeaboocorner crashbox 😦
@MasterAlpha1000
@MasterAlpha1000 Місяць тому
Ok boomer
@kiricappuchin
@kiricappuchin Місяць тому
It always pains me to see network TV shows for kids getting cancelled left and right while low quality, ugly YT Kids content farms are just allowed to run rampant. Glad I grew up with shows made by people who actually care about the kids watching lol
@octologue3206
@octologue3206 Місяць тому
Yeah Netflix is the king of that. They make dozens of bad children content and cancel really good shows.
@harveyanimations8974
@harveyanimations8974 Місяць тому
Me too
@allendepacheco3419
@allendepacheco3419 Місяць тому
It's going to get worse with the rise of AI generated content where people can just make cocomelon knock offs and somehow be even less engaging.
@NobodyAsked-xh8cs
@NobodyAsked-xh8cs Місяць тому
The only thing that is going to get worse with the rise of AI if you crying your balls out for attention instead of doing anything about it.
@NobodyAsked-xh8cs
@NobodyAsked-xh8cs Місяць тому
Then tell people to watch actual TV shows instead of manufactured nonsense only a person who lives under a rock would like.
@Raphael_does_edits
@Raphael_does_edits Місяць тому
I LOVE this video, so I wanna share my story whit kids animation (as an autistic kid) As a kid, I watched TMNT (2012), SpongeBob and my little pony… and as a kid I was never taught basic manners and stuff because I was severely neglected. However, I’ve been told I’m an extremely nice and understanding person… TMNT and MLP taught me how to make friends… because I was autistic, and didn’t make my first friend around first grade. I don’t remember what SpongeBob taught me, but it helped me through the trauma of my childhood. Also I wanna mention Dora, Dora was my favourite show as a baby… and when I was a baby I was told I wouldn’t be able to talk and all that stuff… but I apparently “wanted to be like Dora” so I spent time learning how to talk because of that show. So TLDR, children’s animation is important, especially for neurodivergent kids who might not understand certain things..
@ginger-ale7818
@ginger-ale7818 22 дні тому
THIS. I’ve never been diagnosed, but I’m very aware of the fact that I had to learn about the social world on purpose, seemingly unlike anyone around me. Even now I struggle being thrown into situations where I don’t have a solid script. And you know where most of those scripts came from? TV! Experiencing stories was the best way I had, and still have, of pulling together the way I need to function in society. (My mom only let me watch educational tv when I was small though, which may have something to do with why I spent several minutes today explaining to my coworker why velociraptors are hilarious. I’m 24)
@thesupershinymegagengar2034
@thesupershinymegagengar2034 Місяць тому
Cocomelom is like the emergency procedure parents would use to distract their kids, when they obviously want nothing to do with them.
@AdrianDaWeeb
@AdrianDaWeeb Місяць тому
Using word girl is probably one of the best examples I could think of.
@legitusername-zl7to
@legitusername-zl7to Місяць тому
*word girl passively agressively bending a bar of metal*
@KeyFChicken
@KeyFChicken Місяць тому
I agree 1000%
@enderguardian7443
@enderguardian7443 Місяць тому
the fact that it’s shockingly similar to invincible is hilarious to me
@BuckRoseYT
@BuckRoseYT Місяць тому
@@enderguardian7443 It's like the show is Invincible, but for kids XD
@lanaplayz7316
@lanaplayz7316 Місяць тому
Agreeed:3
@inkerJ
@inkerJ Місяць тому
The thumbnail having the Cocomelon baby with red eyes to represent the current standard of children's animation really feels like the way shows like Word Girl would represent this sort of thing.
@NobodyAsked-xh8cs
@NobodyAsked-xh8cs Місяць тому
Meanwhile you forgot about Teletubbies and Boobah. The cycle repeats, but its always different in some way.
@GumSkyloard
@GumSkyloard Місяць тому
It'd be a giant robot baby.
@savegalkissy
@savegalkissy Місяць тому
@@NobodyAsked-xh8cs while all of these are brain numbing, i do think there is value in the fact that your examples were shows made in a system that can at the very least, hold the shows to some standards, and the shows around them had to as well. While I will admit it was very easy to simply change to a channel with sex violence and death, those were Grown Up Channels, you feel? While coco melon as far as I can tell is innocent, the fact is that ytkids (and the internet in large) has no quality control, and ppl actively make deceptive substanceless content with fetishes and age inappropriate content aimed at kids. Of course, with recent news about Nickelodeon, I know my points are not that strong, but the high concentration of Elsagate concept still existing is going to have some worrisome effects on kids, if it hasn’t already
@ZatchZXman
@ZatchZXman Місяць тому
From what I've seen, it is in fact making the kids stupid. If you ever have kids. Do not let them watch it. Do not make the same mistakes my dumb as shit parents did.
@ElectroBlastLuigi
@ElectroBlastLuigi Місяць тому
@@ZatchZXman Who hurt you?
@brrgames
@brrgames Місяць тому
Unfortunately, a lot of my nephews and nieces like Cocomelon. I remember trying to show one of my nieces something better. The flamingo segment of Fantasia 2000. She was crying and the parents had to put on Cocomelon to have her calm down. True story.
@mintygreendays
@mintygreendays Місяць тому
SMH.
@austinreed7343
@austinreed7343 Місяць тому
This is the only situation where I’d let the kid just cry it out.
@DuasdaKubelimas
@DuasdaKubelimas Місяць тому
If I ever have a child I would restrict their smartphone usage until they're 12 They'll get full control when they're 18 Now isn't that good parenting?
@OriginalAkivara
@OriginalAkivara Місяць тому
@@DuasdaKubelimas Not far enough. No smartphone at all, if they want one they can buy it themselves once they're old enough. If school requires one for a grade, go to office and raise a huge stink. They can have a dumbphone for calling/texting/listening to FM radio/taking potato-quality pictures/having a 4-operations calculator. Wanna use the internet? We have a machine for that, it's called the "personal computer". The internet does not belong in your pocket.
@thenightstar8312
@thenightstar8312 Місяць тому
And people still scoff at the idea that society is de-evolving
@tayloreh
@tayloreh Місяць тому
Virtually all PBS shows are the perfect example of quality fun kids content. Ruff Ruffman, Super Why, Sesame Street, Reading Rainbow, Mister Rogers. Storybots is another somewhat modern example that is quite great. Speaking of Super Why, they has a comic themed shorts reboot on PBS recently thats quite educational in a word girl way. I got to play one of the bad guys :)
@prayagsuthar9856
@prayagsuthar9856 27 днів тому
Honestly, it would be lovely if parents just showed their kids PBS Kids instead of UKposts, anybody can get a signal for PBS with an antenna 🤷🏽‍♂
@thenexttangle8568
@thenexttangle8568 8 днів тому
Electric Company too! But that one's just me, hehe
@alpyki2588
@alpyki2588 7 днів тому
They were also broadcasting Boohbah, Teletubies, and Caillou. They are a very good station for not showing complete garbage, but they helped this trend. Caillou walked so that CocoMelon could run.
@tayloreh
@tayloreh 7 днів тому
@@alpyki2588 Cailou can be annoying but beyond aesthetic similarities, it has a lot more going for it than Cocomelon.
@alpyki2588
@alpyki2588 7 днів тому
@@tayloreh The issue is with Caillou is that the main character just kept doing tantrums and just actively encouraged bad behavior. When people would let their kids watch it, they would emulate his behavior, and when they stopped letting them, their behavior improved. There was one episode that he pinched his sister, which is a good improvement from the story it was based on, because this 4 year old would've *bitten* her. I don't know much about Cocomelon (I don't let my child near the stuff and she doesn't like cartoons anyway), but at the very least I haven't heard accusations of increased tantrums after watching (besides turning the show off). I never said Caillou is as bad as Cocomelon, but its certainly not a bright spot on PBS' record.
@N0t_Th3_V_O_I_D
@N0t_Th3_V_O_I_D Місяць тому
*fun fact, bluey is ment for ALL AGES.* in some episodes, bluey's parents are shown and comforted by other characters, even their own children! so,children can learn something for themselves, and parents can also learn something for themselves too. (you can also watch it if you're bored) *i might not be entirely correct, but im just stating facts*
@lackedpuppet9022
@lackedpuppet9022 Місяць тому
They did a true/false Q&A video, and answered the _"Was the show secretly made for adults?"_ with both simultaneously.
@DuasdaKubelimas
@DuasdaKubelimas Місяць тому
@@lackedpuppet9022 Link?
@lackedpuppet9022
@lackedpuppet9022 Місяць тому
@@DuasdaKubelimas It might get filtered out automatically by UKposts for being a link, so I'll send it in the next reply but the video title is _Yes / No Q&A | Bluey_ , and its uploaded by Bluey - Official Channel.
@boxeswithfoxes
@boxeswithfoxes Місяць тому
Bluey is the only modern kids show nowadays that’s good
@princesspikachu3915
@princesspikachu3915 Місяць тому
“I don’t want a life lesson! I just wanted ice cream…” -Bluey
@strangeaelurus
@strangeaelurus Місяць тому
"yes, doodley," we all say in unison
@huntedperson3147
@huntedperson3147 Місяць тому
yes, doodley
@chalkbored
@chalkbored Місяць тому
Yes, doodley.
@mattplays3824
@mattplays3824 Місяць тому
Yes, Doodley.
@theonlythings1161
@theonlythings1161 Місяць тому
Indeed, Doodley.
@ECHOOZzs
@ECHOOZzs Місяць тому
Yes, doodley
@essdeecard
@essdeecard 26 днів тому
This reminds me of Jim Henson’s, the dark crystal, and how he thought that it was unhealthy for children to be never be afraid and how he wanted to get back with the deep and dark roots of the fantasy genre through Hans Christian Andersen’s Stories. I feel like whenever people hear the words *Family Friendly*, they automatically think it equates to being made “For Kids”. When in actuality, it means that it’s made with kids and adults in mind. With things that children and adults can understand.
@EStewart573
@EStewart573 Місяць тому
You go back to the ancient 60s BBC shows like Bagpuss and The Clangers, and it is absolutely amazing how much creativity went into the stories that they tell. I was literally the most captivated kid, watching the start of the clangers as it zooms out from a city, to show you the earth, and then the stars and you're just always hit with this feeling of wonder about where you exist in the universe and what else could be out there. The Paddington TV series, Ivor the Engine (Yes, Ivor, not Thomas. This one features dragons!), The Wombles. There was so much imagination put into all of them, so much to be inspired by, to make you think! I hope more parents make sure to let their kids know there's more interesting stuff out there than a story about "a dirty yellow bus that has a boo-boo"
@austinreed7343
@austinreed7343 26 днів тому
No wonder Kevin O Neil found those shows worth a visual cameo in LOEG.
@qwertyman506
@qwertyman506 Місяць тому
One show I really liked was Cyberchase, because it taught math concepts that were a few grades above my level. Things like, how to label and read graphs, how to find the areas of simple and complex shapes, and how to solve problems. Most other math shows only taught how to add. It felt "illegal" to learn that complex suff outside of school, it made me feel really smart.
@nattythepanda4692
@nattythepanda4692 Місяць тому
DUDE CYBERCHASE, I STILL VIVIDLY REMEMBER THE EPISODE ABOUT NEGATIVE NUMBERS.
@xaviidk
@xaviidk Місяць тому
CAN'T FORGET ODD SQUAD BRO THAT WAS FIRE TOMORROW. I'M 'BOUT TO WATCH IT RIGHT NOW.
@qwertyman506
@qwertyman506 Місяць тому
@@xaviidk Odd squad is great, super entertaining, but they don't deal with concepts as complex as cyberchase's
@ZimVader-0017
@ZimVader-0017 Місяць тому
Cyberchase saved my butt during math tests 😆 They happened to show the episode about fractions the week I had a test on fractions. I understood better watching the show than with the teacher.
@yikes_uwuyt3161
@yikes_uwuyt3161 Місяць тому
Same omg Cyber chase is one of my all time favorites shows growing up, I even played the CD-Rom games they made for it at my library, also I love the opening music so so so much
@Damian_1989
@Damian_1989 Місяць тому
"It's just for kids" is the biggest and most reliable crutch for laziness
@JetSetDman
@JetSetDman 29 днів тому
i think one of my favorite jokes ever done in Word Girl was this one episode where they were trying to teach the word "envelope" (as in the verb form), and they had the villain character constantly using the word at every opportunity he had, leading to word girl actually getting increasingly annoyed by it as the episode went on
@Drekromancer
@Drekromancer Місяць тому
Another example of excellent educational kids' shows: Cyberchase. The artstyle, characters, and world were unique and interesting, so when math emerged as part of the lore of the world, you felt engaged in learning about it. Just like you'd get nerdy about all the intricacies of Bionicle lore. But they harnessed that impulse and hitched it to math, which was awesome! More shows ought to connect their worlds to their educational goals in order to make learning cool again! Come to think of it, there was a lot of this in the late 90's and early 2000's. The Magic School Bus is another great example with a similar premise, but for the sciences instead of math. Between the Lions was similar, but for language fluency and literature. And frankly, Dragon Tales was a good example of this with prosocial behaviors, since the lore of the world rewarded respectful communication, maturity, kindness, and character growth. I never realized that one was so deep until now, but this analysis tipped me off. Thanks for helping me find more appreciation for my childhood. 🙂
@austinreed7343
@austinreed7343 Місяць тому
Cyberchase’s lore is deep enough that crossovers with similar but more mature IP aren’t jarring to me.
@jayfoo
@jayfoo Місяць тому
Bluey is unironically my favorite show right now. It's so unapologetically Australian and crafted with such care. I hope all future media (not just children's media) can learn from Bluey and create something genuine. Also, Joff Bush and his team writes some of the best scores out there.
@coledoesyt7788
@coledoesyt7788 Місяць тому
oh my god its the silly music guy! guys its the music dude! he makes music! oh my god! ( i love ur music )
@jayfoo
@jayfoo Місяць тому
@@coledoesyt7788 lol it is I, the silly music guy
@AFishInPajamas
@AFishInPajamas Місяць тому
@@jayfoo I am, however, saddened that they seldom make official releases for the montage tracks of the show. I am in dire need of the extended version of The Decider and Curry Quest's scores. 😭
@quantumslime7265
@quantumslime7265 Місяць тому
Truthfully Bluey is suuuuuuper high up there on my list of favorite shows. As an adult it has so much that I missed about being a kid as well as stuff that helps me understand how my parents must have felt watching me grow up. It just radiates wholesome.
@harveyanimations8974
@harveyanimations8974 Місяць тому
It’s just a good show with soul, which is all it needs to be
@cloudshifter
@cloudshifter Місяць тому
People saying "it's for kids" fail as an excuse to do less work don't realize that this suggests they have to do triple the effort instead, cause kids are a more delicate audience. You also need to be careful to pass the right messages and help them learn valuable lessons. The content ought to be educational while also being disguised into a great film for both their interests and adult interest.
@plaidhatter1674
@plaidhatter1674 Місяць тому
Honestly, it makes me wonder if this is why newer generations, myself included, are turning out a bit off.
@Token2-jw2nt
@Token2-jw2nt Місяць тому
Exactly! I was just talking about this particular subject a moments ago, you took the words right out of my mouth!
@jonelrobinson582
@jonelrobinson582 Місяць тому
Agreed!
@Drekromancer
@Drekromancer Місяць тому
@@plaidhatter1674 I wouldn't be surprised. You are what you eat, both physically and mentally. So I'd assume that a steady diet of empty platitudes and garish colors would do strange things to a child's malleable mind. At least compared to what they could be absorbing instead.
@yoshisreal
@yoshisreal Місяць тому
Calling that statement a lame excuse would be an absolute understatement.
@jimmygarza8896
@jimmygarza8896 29 днів тому
6:00 "What, am I gonna blow up"? "No, worse! [You'll teach children vocabulary!]" "...And then you'll blow up!"
@milgrau2233
@milgrau2233 Місяць тому
No kid will ever remember any cocomelon video with pride and fondness after they grow up bruh
@julias.7534
@julias.7534 Місяць тому
Arthur was REALLY good at this because it never even felt like learning because a lot of it was just slice of life social and emotional issues being expressed in more complex ways than the usual kid's fair of "I shouldn't take my sister's toys because it makes her sad." It was like, "here's the episode that's a metaphor for grappling with the trauma of 9/11." I also learned about the magna carta and how to spell certain words, but that was more incidental than anything -- the same way you can learn something just by scrolling social media for long enough, but with more intent and accuracy.
@Kiernimbus
@Kiernimbus Місяць тому
Yeah, I think Arthur is another great example of a kids TV show with substance. I think Doodley excluded it mostly due to the other PBS shows displayed here already, but it was definitely on my mind when he was showing examples. I grew up with Wordgirl, Arthur, and Fetch! with Ruff Ruffman, and I'm pretty happy that these shows still receive acclaim.
@FrankTheAmazing
@FrankTheAmazing Місяць тому
I despised Arthur as a child. I'm not sure why. I remember not being particularly fond of any of the characters.
@Thot_Patrol_USA
@Thot_Patrol_USA Місяць тому
@@Kiernimbus​​⁠​⁠it really sucks that most of the shows i remember before ditching them weren’t the actually good shows and were shit like peppa pig and barney. barely watched caillou though, thank god. i did watch these shows that people are all of a sudden having a nostalgia explosion over seeing them in my recommended a million times. fetch, arthur, maybe wordgirl, but most of it i dont remember watching as a kid. being close to adulthood I can finally appreciate them but my god why the hell didn’t I watch more of these actually good shows? i could only remember the theme song of fetch because i do remember actually getting excited to watch it.
@ZEDCorbett
@ZEDCorbett Місяць тому
"A-a-r-d-v-a-r-k" 🎶
@kyleinthejar6829
@kyleinthejar6829 Місяць тому
Ironically, the weakest episodes of Arthur are the ones that tackle overly simplistic morals. The episode “Arthur’s Big Hit” immediately comes to mind.. When your show’s weakest moments are a result of attempting to handle subject matter that’s too simple and boring for your target audience anyway, that’s a good sign in my book.
@ashimates
@ashimates Місяць тому
Not to mention kids who are neurodivergent NEED that attention grabber. As a child who had an undiagnosed learning disability, the cartoons that had a world and soul behind them were the ones that helped me learn. Especially moral lessons. I just really hope producers see the success behind Bluey and we grow from there because I would've definitely loved that show as a kid :')
@blalhber5447
@blalhber5447 Місяць тому
Me too
@cohengamertv6548
@cohengamertv6548 Місяць тому
The original Thomas Show walked so Bluey could Run
@223Drone
@223Drone 20 днів тому
Problem is corporate entities tend to learn the wrong lessons as to why shows like Bluey are good in the first place.
@ufologiaestereografica1524
@ufologiaestereografica1524 Місяць тому
Amazing content, as always. I've got an awesome lil' cousin who's very much neurodivergent, so much so he doesn't really talk to people. He's the most resourceful, intelligent little man, and he enjoys to learn new things soooo much. Whenever i'm doing something that grabs his attention, he'll just stand there by my side hoping i explain what i'm doing, and i surely love to do so. Some months ago, the drain on the shower clogged and i went to pry it open with a screwdriver and a doorstop, he just sat there with me and watched closely and listened to me explaining how a lever works. Little man got so excited he tried to lift the goddamn fridge with a mop and some books some hours later. Of course, my aunt was furious. I don't think she understands the boy and the curious eyes he has for everything, so she'll just put Cocomelon on the tv hoping the kid will get distracted enough to not be bothersome, and that makes me so genuinely sad. Whenever i'm there and she puts something on the TV, I try to change it to something that will actually engage with lil' man to teach him something. It's hard to make him keep his attention on a screen if it's not Cocomelon or some cr4p like that, but so far, he really likes Bluey and Sesame Street. When I showed Bluey to his mom, she loved it, and they've been binge watching it for more than a month now. His mom was so happy when she told me he was having fun and getting to know other kids in the playground, he even made some friends, and I'm very happy lil' man is learning to be social even without speaking much. After watching this i'll try to convice him he already grew out of Cocomelon, cause I know damn well that's not rewarding his curiosity.
@mrseaweed88
@mrseaweed88 Місяць тому
I think one of my favourite quotes from any TV show ever comes from bluey which is- "i don't want an important life lesson, i just want an ice-cream" because 1. It's something both kids and adults could probably agree on and 2. You could absolutely imagine a kid saying that.
@Planefan1000
@Planefan1000 13 днів тому
*a valuable lime lesson
@edk.2045
@edk.2045 Місяць тому
genuinely I could just sit down and watch Curious George, Word Girl, etc. because they're all made so well for all audiences instead of appealing to the lowest common denominator. it's the mark of a good writer that someone could make a non-lingual monkey so compelling
@menaatefadly
@menaatefadly Місяць тому
Hehe monkeee
@TH_Sofa
@TH_Sofa Місяць тому
@@menaatefadlyhehe funny monkey movie goes “Upside Down” :^(((((((((
@plaidhatter1674
@plaidhatter1674 Місяць тому
Curious George, especially, had a ton of great episodes that still make me laugh now. None of them were in your face education either. They weaved it into situations perfectly, and left some episodes like the mysterious sound being timeless.
@summerheart9834
@summerheart9834 Місяць тому
curious george taught me a lot of different things i doubt i would have known otherwise.
@chordalharmony
@chordalharmony Місяць тому
Curious George is legitimately fantastic, as is Word Girl. I’d also add Wild Kratts and Cyberchase on the list, all 4 shows are surprisingly well written.
@timymax
@timymax Місяць тому
2:08 that's actually incorrect, her massive vocabulary is literally part of her superpowers. In S2 E20 the plot is that a peice of her home world Lexicon Falls to Earth. When she is intracting with the material dubed Lexonite she loses all of her superpowers for short time. She also loses her ability use big words and will find herself miss pronouncing them when exposed to lexonite. The villain Mr. Big even made a cage out of the stuff and trapped her in it and put special lock on it that would open the door if she could define a specific into it, potent
@J3D1D14H
@J3D1D14H Місяць тому
Imagine she becomes a linguist when she grows up
@verysourdragon
@verysourdragon Місяць тому
Um actually moment in the wild!
@briancows8368
@briancows8368 Місяць тому
Bro actually knows the lore, ay I respect it doe
@averyfishyfish
@averyfishyfish Місяць тому
Ok Dr wordgirl
@Hanz_M
@Hanz_M Місяць тому
@@averyfishyfish Yep, that's them!
@katefresina832
@katefresina832 Місяць тому
I was talking about this with my mom the other day, and she said that even the shows she watched back in the '60s and '70s had more substance than what the kids watched today. She watched shows like Puff the Magic Dragon and Captain Kangaroo. Not only were those shows educational, but they didn't pander to kids and were fun and engaging. And again these were shows from forty to fifty years ago. I worked at an after-school center and was one of the few people who refused to play Coco melon (I worked with the kindergarten and first graders) so I put on Captain Kangaroo and Puff the Magic Dragon, which they loved. Yes, kids will watch anything, including shows from the 1970s, but they need substance and engagement.
@SoulHero7
@SoulHero7 Місяць тому
Crashbox was amazing to watch as a kid. Distraction News was my favorite bit and helped me learn how to filter out unnecessary clutter from gathering information. A skill that we so desperately need more of nowadays.
@luigio8484
@luigio8484 Місяць тому
have you heard of Pocoyo, Doodley? it's a kid's show meant a bit on the younger side, a bit more so than the ones you mentioned here, preschool. It's been ages since I've watched it so I did a quick glance and the episode structure is just about 7 minutes, focusing around one concept like what a "phone" is, or... some cloud friend? Regardless, there's one standout thing about Pocoyo, it's animation. It's a pure white void, with just the characters and objects, and the animation is extremely snappy. I've always been fascinated by how it looks, and the visuals alone feel they carry the jokes and such, some points even resembling the little jokes we make with crouching in a FPS. I don't think it got popular overseas due to it being made in spain and other factors, but *I implore you to check it out, Doodley*
@SGTIvan921
@SGTIvan921 Місяць тому
Wow, someone mentioning Pocoyo is the last thing I expected. I grew up with that, even got my mum to buy CDs of that show as a kid. Man, time flies.
@WhiteGuyGraal
@WhiteGuyGraal Місяць тому
Pocoyo has so much personalities. I loved it as a kid. The elephant, the duck, the dog , the octopus and SLEEPY BIRD
@SGTIvan921
@SGTIvan921 Місяць тому
@@WhiteGuyGraal I used to tell my mum that she was the Sleepy Bird, haha! Oh, the good times.
@_SparkHere
@_SparkHere Місяць тому
MAN Pocoyo brings back memories.
@inzane101room
@inzane101room Місяць тому
Ahhh Pocoyo was my childhood! Another show, probably a rival to Pocoyo, Jelly Jamm is actually super good too! Check it out!
@whynotanyting
@whynotanyting Місяць тому
5:59 > Eats > Defines vocabulary > Refuses to elaborate > Explodes What a chad
@ape_byte
@ape_byte Місяць тому
The rabbit hole gets darker if we talk about how parents let their kids watch “Spiderman Elsa” content on their iPads.
@arhopkins2000
@arhopkins2000 Місяць тому
This is the same reason I admire the Railway Series and the first few Seasons of Thomas and friends. Reverend Awdry created stories that taught children, but in an engaging and fun way that is enjoyable for a lot of people. It makes me sad to see the franchise be twisted into something to try and compete with cocomelon and paw patrol. Bluey and word girl proves that the kind of show Tomas used to be can still be profitable and successful. It just takes a little more creativity. I’m doing a school project on the Railway series and read through all 26 of the reverends books, they were fantastic! I will definitely be reading them to my children in the future.
@dodsonboys
@dodsonboys Місяць тому
The whole Distractatron thing sounds like something a super villain in a kids show would make
@Volcano22207
@Volcano22207 Місяць тому
Yes thats called a bord of directors/ceo
@luma2281
@luma2281 Місяць тому
Hearing you mention Sesame Street reminded me of the South African variant I watched as a child, Takalani Sesame! It featured Elmo with a different name and also a whole cast of new puppets with South African names! One episode that left an impact on me was an episode where Elmo learns that his friend is HIV positive. HIV was and still is a huge talking point here in SA, so I remember a lot of SA tv trying to educate kids on the matter. At first Elmo is sad cause he thinks that meant he couldn't be near his friend anymore. However an adult explains to him that HIV isn't spread through contact and he's absolutely delighted he can hug his friend. The friend, her name is Kami, is a very prominent character and she is quite literally the reason I learned about HIV at the time and learned something! It makes me smile whenever I think about that moment because there where loads of silly hijinks and jokes in the show, and also it took the time to teach children something! idk I'm rambling but this video reminded me that Sesame Street is still so great.
@doodley3d
@doodley3d Місяць тому
That's really neat! Sesame Street is really good at handling sensitive and difficult subjects, so it's nice to hear that it even does that worldwide. It's a real treasure of a show that I hope inspires future generations that children's media can and always has been thoughtful and heartfelt.
@herlastborn
@herlastborn Місяць тому
The Sesame Street in different countries are actually entirely separate instances of Sesame Street that sometimes have crossovers. Like Abelardo, the large parrot from the Mexican Plaza Sesamo visiting his cousin, Big Bird, from the American Sesame Street.
@luma2281
@luma2281 29 днів тому
@@herlastborn i've heard about that! growing up with takalani sesame and then seeing american seasame street and elmo with an american accent was definitely a culture shock lol. But it's honestly amazing the reach that Sesame Street tries to have all around the world.
@StylzB
@StylzB 25 днів тому
One of my art teachers thats more like a mentor to me worked on Word Girl back in the day and learning about all the love and passion that went into the show really shows how much care went into creating a great show that's a also educational.
@noahbossier1131
@noahbossier1131 13 днів тому
Nice
@mankinz
@mankinz Місяць тому
I wrote my college graduation paper on this subject, and it is heartwarming to see other people care about it too! I love Sesame Street and Crashbox so much, it is awesome to see Crashbox mentioned at all in a video :') Thank you for sharing, and may the children's educational media with good substance rise again in the future.
@kootunesscrewy
@kootunesscrewy Місяць тому
Cocomelon is basically the Velma of indie animation. The cartoon is already considered the worst indie animated cartoon series. Even worse than Ctrl + Alt + Del.
@chobies5383
@chobies5383 Місяць тому
It's considered indie? ( about cocomelon)
@kootunesscrewy
@kootunesscrewy Місяць тому
@@chobies5383 Well, the studio behind the show is not a big corporation as like Paramount. It's more like GLITCH in a way. Either way, still the worst thing in the indie scene.
@chobies5383
@chobies5383 Місяць тому
@@kootunesscrewy Crazy amount of massed produced merch raking in hundreds of millions of dollars, they're in the process of becoming a big corporation
@kootunesscrewy
@kootunesscrewy Місяць тому
@@chobies5383 Yeah. I'm glad I support GagofGreen. The guy never uses Animatic Battle for fame and money like that. He just made it to make his fans happy. Kinda sad that no reviewer is talking about this amazing cartoon. Outside of one guy.
@remixchild
@remixchild Місяць тому
@@chobies5383 imagine if Barney had a son
@NXP_UwU
@NXP_UwU Місяць тому
I grew up with little einsteins, I know far too many classical music pieces and paintings thanks to that show. Loved the show, it was probably my favorite show as a child, learned a lot from it.
@ultranovva
@ultranovva Місяць тому
Ah same! I love oil drop timers due to that show
@jambon2730
@jambon2730 Місяць тому
​@@ultranovva OMG SAME, that and the little wood people climbing up a stair
@themoocow7718
@themoocow7718 Місяць тому
Loved that show! I remember so many classical songs from it.
@richieflareon3530
@richieflareon3530 Місяць тому
I remember when they went to Egypt and had a fun time Ah the memories
@Horseygirl535
@Horseygirl535 Місяць тому
Same here 😄
@lune-3214
@lune-3214 29 днів тому
Thanks, you unlocked my core memory of CRUSTLESS BREAD, the greatest adversary to Chuck the Evil Sandwich-Making Guy
@rbgerald2469
@rbgerald2469 Місяць тому
Despite coming late to it, I have to say Sofia The First is one of the many examples of children's shows with substance. Good stories, good lessons, characters that everyone can relate to (boys and girls; young and old alike) , and connecting with Disney's previous stuff, it made my younger self (who didn't like the show at first) reexamine my previous misconceptions with the show... It even was strengthend a few years afterward after reading about the show's producer (Craig Gerber). He stated in an article, “In a world where many young girls want to dress up as princesses, Sofia could serve as a positive role model, displaying traits and learning lessons that young girls (or boys) will retain long after they trade in their gowns for other costumes.” Looks like he did it well. Amd I'm proud to say I'm a fan.
@noahbossier1131
@noahbossier1131 13 днів тому
Agreed. Disney junior shows like doc mcstuffins and Chris nees Netflix shows like Ada twist are good choices
@Just_a_commenter
@Just_a_commenter Місяць тому
I appreciate the acknowledgement that kid-friendly animated content doesn't have to be reduced down to flashing colours and noise to grab attention, _nor should it be._ Harnessing the power of entertainment to convey meaningful lessons to kids is such a valuable thing. Things ranging from the mundane to serious can be shown to kids in a way they'll actually take to heart the lessons at hand, setting them up to be a better person as they grow. I really, really wish there were more high quality programs that did so, since Bluey is the only standout I can immediately recall. Even ignoring the possibility for good, I resent the idea of just putting what amounts to meaningless noise in front of kids to placate them. It's just an insult to their growing mind to be like "look, pretty colours! Silly scenarios! that's it, keep looking at the noise rectangle!" Kids may not all be geniuses, but let's not treat them like idiots. They're just tiny humans that have yet to experience the dread of taxes. All in, good video.
@HYpr1337time
@HYpr1337time Місяць тому
okay, i see you everywhere, and i have to ask why did you make vore your main pfp like-
@Halberds8122
@Halberds8122 Місяць тому
@@HYpr1337time _GOOD LORD YOU'RE RIGHT_
@AFishInPajamas
@AFishInPajamas Місяць тому
Such a profound comment for someone with a questionable avatar lmao. Jokes aside, this is a great comment; I couldn't have worded it better myself. I enjoyed reading allat.
@HYpr1337time
@HYpr1337time Місяць тому
@@Halberds8122 i mean if they can have their pfp be that and be fine, fuck it we ball its back to the fat shor. a comment/reply section full of degens :3
@aidenlegobatmanproofgames7947
@aidenlegobatmanproofgames7947 Місяць тому
​@@HYpr1337time I was going to say something, but guidelines say to keep it SFW soooo- "Someone cut the cake. We told them not to, but they cut it anyway. Hello?
@juneru2
@juneru2 Місяць тому
Apple & Onion is a more recent example of a good cartoon that's educational without being _"educational"._ It'sa slice-of-life show about two newfound best friends figuring out life as young adults, and through that they learn alot about life. They do cutaways to define words, sing songs while doing chores/work, and have a lesson at the end of each episode, but never did it feel like a boring "educational cartoon". The strange world, odd sense of humor, and adult cast of characters really makes Apple & Onion feel like a show where everyone can learn something, not just kids.
@pudnik2410
@pudnik2410 Місяць тому
Yeah, too bad they dropped the ball later in the series :(
@summerheart9834
@summerheart9834 Місяць тому
omg i remember that what happened to it??
@pudnik2410
@pudnik2410 Місяць тому
@@summerheart9834 The situations became overly unrealistic and less grounded in partial realism
@summerheart9834
@summerheart9834 Місяць тому
@@pudnik2410 oh well thats dissapointing
@pudnik2410
@pudnik2410 Місяць тому
@@summerheart9834 I know, it was SUCH a good show :(
@tripleoof8159
@tripleoof8159 Місяць тому
A huge part of good preschool shows is the quality check required. Research, interviewing educators, and having a focus group. Cocomelon did not have to go through that.
@okankyoto
@okankyoto 10 днів тому
The way kids WILL watch almost anything makes it even more important that what is produced for them is as good as it can be!
@Mewzuw
@Mewzuw Місяць тому
Cyberchase was my entire personality during childhood, I love this show so much even though I didn't get any of the math problems back then, the story was just so entertaining C:
@DrPumpkinz
@DrPumpkinz Місяць тому
Dude, same. It's even still running, which is crazy. I checked out one of the more recent episodes I had never seen before, one that came out LOOOONG after I had stopped watching it as a kid, and it's still an amazing show.
@KeyFChicken
@KeyFChicken Місяць тому
Cyberchase is another amazing example of educational and entertaining
@Definitely_a_Fox
@Definitely_a_Fox Місяць тому
This video didn't awaken any childhood memories, but you sure did.
@Mewzuw
@Mewzuw Місяць тому
@@DrPumpkinz WHAAAAT, that's so cool!
@Mewzuw
@Mewzuw Місяць тому
@@Definitely_a_Fox Glad I did!
@EnigmaticGentleman
@EnigmaticGentleman Місяць тому
Its ironic when you think about it, once animation finally started gaining respect the companies just jumped for the more profitable teen and up demographics almost completely leaving children's animation in the dust. Its not even like you cant have both, Owl House found massive popularity in all age groups, and it certainly achieves in teaching kids productive things (moreso about mental health than academic topics granted).
@JustAnotherGuy151
@JustAnotherGuy151 23 дні тому
Arthur, Blue’s Clues, Cyberchase… there was a lot of good stuff back when I was younger. Also, Schoolhouse Rock and Animaniacs. I still have those songs pop into my head years later.
@twokindsofovenfries32
@twokindsofovenfries32 Місяць тому
Bluey has some of the cleanest and most aesthetically pleasing puppet animation I have ever seen. Their background art is gorgeous. For the episode ‘Rain’ they had a team of four people just animating the water! The writing and music is amazing. I am a childless 24 year old and I love it!
@cheygall39
@cheygall39 Місяць тому
Being reminded of Word Girl was the last thing i was expecting today lol
@Cat_DeGaulle
@Cat_DeGaulle Місяць тому
Ya
@origamisb
@origamisb Місяць тому
Same here. Childhood memories unlocked
@chips5840
@chips5840 Місяць тому
It’s the Hidden gem of hidden gems, it’s unironically hilarious
@Marphic_
@Marphic_ Місяць тому
I never considered children’s animation from the angle of publicly funded television (in retrospect, the ‘this show is brought to you by viewers like you. Thank you!’ message makes a lot more sense). And there’s so many more shows for children out there that set the bar for educational media. Unfortunately there’s fewer modern examples to pick from but I’m happy Bluey stands out against the corporate tide. My show growing up was SpongeBob, and as popular as it is, there’s so many reasons why its first few seasons excelled as much as they did (please watch EmpLemon’s video about it, amazing essay!). It tackled issues in a realistic way that kids could relate to, using characters that weren’t easily identifiable as children themselves- like goofy young adults? It felt immersive, lively, and real! The corporate strive for profit by cutting creative corners is painful, I hope to see a resurgence of more versatile media in the future. Thankfully indie animation is easier and more accessible than ever, we get some good gems (like you Doodley!)
@muppetsretrofan8873
@muppetsretrofan8873 Місяць тому
I find it funny that Care Bears [specifically the T.V Specials, movies, and 1980s and early 2000s series] and The Adventures Of Teddy Ruxpin, both shows based on toys, actually have a lot of substance and good morals while CocoMelon is just... nothingness. As an American, I find that British shows are underrated and deserve to be talked about more. The original versions of Thomas The Tank Engine, Fireman Sam, Bob The Builder, and Postman Pat are very calming and often have life lessons, and sometimes are just fun for fun's sake while still having substance. Another British show that deserves credit is Engie Benjy, a show about a mechanic who helps others with their vechicles' issues. Often through creative problem solving. While later seasons of the show go for a Dora-route with interactivity, it weirdly stays high quality even with that change. Sometimes Benjy doesn't get to save the day, which I find a realistic and refreshing change. Examples of this are the episodes Astronaut Jollop, Jollop Mixtures, and Jollop Alone.
@Kit-ie5oc
@Kit-ie5oc 29 днів тому
Glad I'm not the only one who remembers CrashBox so fondly. It definitely can be a little frightening for kids, I remember being scared by the parts where the robots would do maintenance in the dark and the credits, but overall it's an incredible kids show.
@theatand
@theatand Місяць тому
I hope more shows will start to realize they should entertain a family as a whole. It used to be a "family TV" and it shifted to individual screens, which changed what the shows were going for. I will say Bluey is great as there are just as many lessons about being a parent as there are about being a kid. The best example is "Exercise", the kids are just playing while the Dad has to figure out how to exercise while including their play.
@ThatFoxxoLeo
@ThatFoxxoLeo Місяць тому
This reminds me of a discussion I once came across (I can't quite remember if it was a video or a forum thread or a blog post) that basically said, "hey, we shouldn't be giving kids those fake toy instruments that just play an off-tune song when you press a button if giving them actual experience with a musical instrument is a viable option." I think that the same thing applies here (namely the takeaway message to not treat kids as just needing flashy lights and stimulating sounds as entertainment). Kids are information sponges, they'll basically absorb anything that grabs their attention. If we make the stuff that grabs their attention devoid of any useful information, then how can we expect them to go beyond our own perception of them as just "dumb kids"? Giving a child a proper way to learn in a way that captivates them rather than handing them internet kids videos with the saturation cranked up will easily give them a headstart in learning more useful and practical skills such as spelling and vocabulary, maths, art and music, etc., so it's just sad seeing people accept the cheapest content that just passes the bar as "acceptable" and handing it over to their kids.
@xanderonamy
@xanderonamy Місяць тому
The worst part is when the generation they raised poorly gets bad, they absolutely dogshit on them
@agorilla7137
@agorilla7137 Місяць тому
I'll always remember my favorite joke in Word Girl was the bit between her and the Butcher with the word Rambling
@deadpoolchimichangas7111
@deadpoolchimichangas7111 Місяць тому
I grew up watching Word girl and Martha speaks. Honestly I thank those two shows for helping me on spelling bees and English exam as well.
@Modtro64
@Modtro64 Місяць тому
I whole heartedly agree. Just because Kids will watch anything, doesn't mean they SHOULD. I remember growing up watching shows like Between The Lions, Zoboomafoo, Cyberchase, Arthur, Reading Rainbow, PB&J Otter, Rollie Pollie Ollie, Bear in The Big Blue House, etc. I was always engaged in a way that was both captivating and not at all pandering. They helped fueled my imagination, and helped me to be the artist I am today. We really need to get more people out of the mindset that "Kids are stupid and don't know anything" Sure while they don't immediately get everything around them, but that doesn't mean they're not smart. In fact there's a surprising amount of kids that are smart, somewhat mature, and willing to learn. I seriously hope one day I make something worth entertaining all ages. Excellent video!
@MsVilecat
@MsVilecat Місяць тому
Fun fact: the Kratt brothers after Zooboomafoo got to create their own animated show where they learn about and save endangered animals around the globe. It should be available on PBS Kids. Edit: forgot to mention the name of the show: Wild Kratts
@Desmaad
@Desmaad Місяць тому
People frequently confuse ignorance and stupidity; they're not the same.
@poweroffriendship2.0
@poweroffriendship2.0 Місяць тому
I'll never forget that one scene in WordGirl where Ms. Powers pulls out an Omni-Man on our protagonist when they landed on the train station.
@ZimVader-0017
@ZimVader-0017 Місяць тому
That woman nearly killed Dr. Two Brains. She was ready to blast him to smithereens with her eye lasers.
@Antifearn
@Antifearn Місяць тому
Both WordGirl and CrashBox are in my top five favorite kids shows from when I was a kid and I had so much fun rewatching both of those series as an adult, even if it was only on in the background while I was doing something else like cleaning, cooking, or drawing. Another show I absolutely loved as a kid that had a very comforting, yet educational tone (similar to Bluey) was Charlie and Lola. The animation in that show was so beautiful and colorful, and I just loved seeing the slice of life adventures of these two imaginative British siblings.
@sketchygato7847
@sketchygato7847 Місяць тому
The worst part is that cocomelon is…the safe side of what they might see Elsagate type content, where the creators are rarely punished for putting content that’s not only uneducational, lacks any sort of substance, but also expose children to things that…really they shouldn’t see, gets the green light because “oh popular childrens media character” It’s really gross and I hope it does change as we continue to have a better hold on the internet and regulate those consequences
@austinreed7343
@austinreed7343 Місяць тому
Some of the creators are not merely greedy, but may also be predators too.
@noahbossier1131
@noahbossier1131 13 днів тому
Agreed.
@andreas.2494
@andreas.2494 Місяць тому
Back then educational children's media had so much heart, it was never about who can grab the most kids attention, the writing, stories, and plots were engaging and wholesome it made you part of that world. Oswald taught me to be calm in certain scenarios, Wubbzy taught me to look at things in an optimistic view, Toot and Puddle taught me that traveling can be fun and be friendly with the people you meet along the way, and Meggie and The Ferocious Beast taught me that being creative and that the imagination is a powerful tool. I hope that in the future children's media will become more engaging and not just a method to distract kids.
@MaliciousMalcontent
@MaliciousMalcontent Місяць тому
Not only can kids shows have more engaging things than Cocomelon, but kids shows can be scary, or sad, or thrilling, just as long as good prevails. That's the enduring power of folktales, which can be very dark but they almost always have a good ending even if somewhat tragic. No one will remember Cocomelon once it stops airing.
@PurpEngine601
@PurpEngine601 Місяць тому
2:24 Now that I think about it, it somehow reminds me of Veggietales being an example of a good cartoon in terms of Christianity and entertainment
@zeldagameryt4018
@zeldagameryt4018 Місяць тому
That’s what immediately came to my mind too. At least Pre Jonah and some later stuff because the rest tried to be too children oriented
@PurpEngine601
@PurpEngine601 Місяць тому
@@zeldagameryt4018 i agree 🫤
@deliciouskromer
@deliciouskromer 25 днів тому
Fun fact: Veggietales released only ten days after the original DOOM came out, from the fear of the youth being corrupted by the depictions of hellspawn slaughter.
@PurpEngine601
@PurpEngine601 25 днів тому
@@deliciouskromer 💀wow thats crazy
@CyberDucke
@CyberDucke 19 днів тому
@@deliciouskromerBruh doom is about killing demons, wouldn’t that be a good thing
@George_M_
@George_M_ 11 днів тому
"Hand the kid a tablet and ignore them" is the main school of thought now.
@percivalpendal921
@percivalpendal921 Місяць тому
Actively thinking of Wild Krats, Super Why, and Autonauts.
@HoofKicker
@HoofKicker Місяць тому
protogent
@vampire_culture
@vampire_culture Місяць тому
WILD KRATS. Oh my god. I grew up with a big fixation on Wild Krats as a kid, and it got me really into studying Animals and Sea life. Now, i want to be a marine biologist
@wingedaxolotlproductions5320
@wingedaxolotlproductions5320 Місяць тому
Octonauts? Or is Autonauts a diffrent thing entirely.
@percivalpendal921
@percivalpendal921 Місяць тому
@@wingedaxolotlproductions5320 Octonauts. Autoincorrect happened.
@thatrandomrecorder914
@thatrandomrecorder914 Місяць тому
I remember (and still watch/would still watch) these shows!
@Sundowner-pi9pi
@Sundowner-pi9pi Місяць тому
That general second half, it's basically: imagine if elsagate and cocomelon were the norm for children's television.
@DuasdaKubelimas
@DuasdaKubelimas Місяць тому
More disrespectful children Children commiting various illegal acts A worser world That's what I can think of
@deliciouskromer
@deliciouskromer 25 днів тому
i grew up with spongebob, crashbox, and pbs kids. to see that taken away for some shit like, "SKIBIDI TOILET OHIO RIZZ COCOMELON GYATT REAL" is saddening, and dwindles my hopes for the future generations even more. My younger sister, age 7, is obsessed with this stuff, and every time i show her things that me and my older sister watched as kids, she'll flip out and go apeshit. We are in the process of helping her wean off of elsagate.
@noahbossier1131
@noahbossier1131 14 днів тому
@@deliciouskromer it’s because of the accessory baby epidemic
@deliciouskromer
@deliciouskromer 14 днів тому
@@noahbossier1131 true, but we'd need a whole cultural Renaissance in children's television to fix it.
@batastrophe
@batastrophe Місяць тому
I watched Word Girl at the same age many kids today are watching Cocomelon, and I remember understanding it and thoroughly enjoying it! I think showing "older kids" programs to toddlers/young children, in which the educational content might be a little too "advanced" for them, is a good thing. Consuming media above my level of knowledge when I was younger exposed my mind to topics that I maybe couldn't fully understand, but I still definitely took in some information. It could have the possibility to teach children things at younger ages, preparing them for content they would see later on, setting them up to understand more advanced content in school maybe?
@CrowandTalbot
@CrowandTalbot 26 днів тому
The 90's-early 2000's was truly a boom of children's entertainment and edutainment that genx-genz did not appreciate enough
@yggdrasilsaltar
@yggdrasilsaltar Місяць тому
i watched word girl when i was younger and the words it taught me i still use sometimes when talking to people so the show even without me realizing it. i’m glad its getting the praise it rightfully deserves
@thecluckster3908
@thecluckster3908 Місяць тому
I usually judge how good someone’s parenting is by what they decide to put in front of their child. It doesn’t take that much effort switching from coco melon to Mr. rogers, yet so many parents just either are too lazy or just don’t care about what their child is consuming.
@mommalion7028
@mommalion7028 Місяць тому
? You’re a parent?
@Tommy-pv1vh
@Tommy-pv1vh Місяць тому
i remember watching mr. rogers, i recently learned more about him and respect him even more
@OriginalAkivara
@OriginalAkivara Місяць тому
People act like they're deathly allergic to older media these days even though it should be more accessible than ever. Like reading/watching/playing/etc something made before 2000, or even 2010? GASP! SHOCK!! THE HORROR!!!
@thecluckster3908
@thecluckster3908 Місяць тому
@@mommalion7028 no, but I like learning a lot about good parenting and choosing the media your child consumes is the easiest thing to do so if you can’t even do that right I think it’s safe to say you’re not the best parent if you do that.
@deliciouskromer
@deliciouskromer 25 днів тому
​@@OriginalAkivara Precisely. I tried showing one of my Fortnite-obsessed friends some retro games that I liked (old arcade games and some indie titles like ULTRAKILL), and he was like, "Ew these graphics suck", "Where multiplayer", and "I don't see a battle pass in this". I wasn't friends with him anymore, because I saw that he was just some loser addicted to flashy, microtransaction-filled AAA shit and didn't appreciated other games (old and indie specifically).
@Hey_Im_Katie
@Hey_Im_Katie Місяць тому
Hi I was born in 2006 and when you mentioned Crashbox and started showing clips of the segments I got vivid flashbacks to the slob and how scary he was to me when I was little. I remember having to turn away or watch carefully when he was on. I don't remember much at all but it's just weird to me that you were able to make me remember watching so many shows like it on dvds that my Mother would play right before I went to bed. Thank you for now reminding me where I was introduced and started to hate gross out stuff in animation even though its not as vividly intense anymore lol
@trinefanmel
@trinefanmel Місяць тому
Well said, sir! This is why I loved watching the Octonauts as a kid, and still do to this day: it was a show directed at a young audience which taught kids about various kinds of obscure marine life and the importance of conservation and pollution management, but was framed as a series of shared adventures had by a group of researchers and conservationists - in TVTropes terms, the education elements were JUSTIFIED. What I found the best about the show was that it promoted qualities such as teamwork, selflessness, and courage, and tackled some pretty mature themes: natural disaster, pollution, serious illness, serious injury, and even death. Predators were a serious threat to contend with, but they weren't treated as evil; the captain's authority was always reasonable and generally, disobedience had realistic consequences, but the show acknowledged that there are times and places when it is necessary to do things your way despite what others tell you to do. Granted, the US version tacked on a little end-of-episode wrap-up that reviewed the animal-of-the-episode (which I personally thought took away from the other lessons) but I grew up woth the UK version which basically presented the information and allowed the viewer to take away from it what they wished. As you said: giving the child a choice in what they learn.
@noahbossier1131
@noahbossier1131 13 днів тому
Agreed
@breakfastsandwich11
@breakfastsandwich11 Місяць тому
I absolutely ADORED Crashbox when I was younger. All the different segments were so engaging and fun to watch. Honestly I think it’s one of the reason I love stop motion so much. Happy someone is giving it the attention it deserves!
@vanillabean379
@vanillabean379 Місяць тому
Agreed😁
@briancows8368
@briancows8368 Місяць тому
DUDE this show terrified me as a kid, yet it still kept me so captivated and engaged with all its little “pop quiz” and learning parts of it. I love it now and I wish more people knew about it and yeah have it the recognition it deserves
@jan_Eten
@jan_Eten Місяць тому
mood
@sssslllllooooowwwdddooowww9794
@sssslllllooooowwwdddooowww9794 Місяць тому
Fr crashbox is amazing
@jan_Eten
@jan_Eten Місяць тому
@@sssslllllooooowwwdddooowww9794 yeah ik
@Mr._Fictitious
@Mr._Fictitious Місяць тому
I may something that may ruffle some feathers, but hear me out... Cocomelon is Temu-Grade Backyardigans. Backyardigans and Cocomelon share the fact neither show necessary teaches anything, and primarily focuses on Song and Dance. However, Cocomelon does not have some of the important things that make Backyardigans one of the G.O.A.T.s of Nick Jr Media. Backyardigans had plot. The music and song were wholely original and contextual to the story. The episodes that riff on other stories (such as Robin Hood, Journey to The Center of The Earth, Night at The Museum, and Spy Thrillers) don't even need context to be enjoyed, but those who know the context will have fun pointing out where those stories come from. While the characters could fit a variety of archetypes each episode (Pablo for instance, might be a dastardly villain one episode or a plucky hero the next), you could still identify some patterns in their behavior across a couple different episodes. Also, while it's a more opinionated point, the music in each episode absolutely slapped. The vocal performances and riffs were spectacular. Backyardigans hit just right. I feel like Cocomelon and the Co-clone-melons could've been good had whoever made them took more of a page out of their book. At least the _plot_ element. Admittedly, I can't really expect well-done original music from those guys when they started out as just a Low-Budget UKposts series (I mean, I'd still personally say it's worth a try. You can't make a masterpiece without standing atop the ashes of failed attempts, but I can understand why you wouldn't want poor quality music in a series.)
@dreamingmiyuki
@dreamingmiyuki Місяць тому
I agree! And also, some parts were funny; now and then.
@AuleTheSmith37
@AuleTheSmith37 Місяць тому
i need to go back and rewatch Backyardigans. that show was my favorite thing as a kid.
@koy5902
@koy5902 Місяць тому
I never cared for backyardigans as a kid, but looking back I also really appreciate the diversity. If I recall correctly there were african american and hispanic characters, though I can't remember any details.
@moodlemcdoodle5746
@moodlemcdoodle5746 Місяць тому
backyardigans was so great because it was all about imagination and play, like it was very clear to me even as a small child that the whole point of backyardigans is its about a group of kids who go out and play at different stories and genres every day, and imo even if its not educational in a traditional sense it did encourage imaginination, storytelling and roleplaying among kids which was my favourite way to play!! Kids love to make up stories together!! The backyardigans represents every group of kids on a playground pretending to be like their favourite characters sooo well
@maninanikittycat4238
@maninanikittycat4238 Місяць тому
Bro Backyardigans was my jam when I was little!
@mackielunkey2205
@mackielunkey2205 Місяць тому
I would love to see a video similar to this, but with adult cartoons; many adult cartoons focus a ton on comedy, but I would love if you focus on cartoons that don’t quite fall under this category.
@tippedjoshua6802
@tippedjoshua6802 Місяць тому
7:21 this math problem here makes me think that they put the answer as 2 instead of 60.5
@Gibberish_
@Gibberish_ Місяць тому
adding my own examples to the conversation because i completely agree: the original thomas and friends was a charming show with actual model trains used to tell the story rather than animation. i get that some people found the models creepy, i never did, but that’s just me. anyway, the show was an adaptation of a book series called The Railway Series, originally written by Rev. W. Awdry, and later continued by his son, Christopher Awdry. when adapting the show to a tv series, the goal was to portray the railway and the trains on sodor as realistically as possible, with the only difference between sodor and reality being that the trains had faces. it also taught lessons through its stories, in an organic manner (at least, to my knowledge, it’s been a while) eventually it was adapted to cgi, which, while it took out the charm of the models, was relatively alright. initially the writing wasn’t great, with repetitive storylines and such, but it was no cocomelon. later a different writer was put in charge and the stories became much better, until the movie Big World Big Adventures. the franchise quickly went downhill. there was suddenly much more focus on keeping kids’ attention, with wacky dream sequences and such. two of the main characters (edward and henry) were cut out of the spotlight, and after a while, almost never mentioned again. they were replaced by nia and rebecca in order to bring more girls into the main cast, and while i respect that goal, these new characters had very little substance or personality other than “nice”. after a few seasons of this, the show ended. however, what popped up in its place was much more in line with the general trend of kids shows in today’s age. the main characters became much smaller and toddler-like, while their personalities were changed. rebecca was replaced again with an engine named kana. but the biggest thing was the change in art style - everything was two dimensional. now, this could have worked, i have nothing against 2D, the problem is that the physics became nonexistent fairly quickly. the trains can bend, jump, move their front wheels around as sorts of hands, etc. this could work with a new franchise, especially if the writing had more substance as mentioned in the video, but this was thomas and friends, a show that was meant to be slower and more realistic at first, becoming just a colorful distraction only meant to grab kids’ attention. not only that, but the owner of thomas and friends, mattel, is a big toy seller, so one of their main goals is to sell toys, which shouldn’t be a goal for any children’s show. but im just a random guy on the internet. maybe im a bit too worked up over this specific series lol there’s probably a bunch of stuff i’ve missed, but that’s the gist. tldr thomas and friends was stripped of everything that made it charming and special in order to grab the attention of kids, with the new iterations having very little substance.
@jan_Eten
@jan_Eten Місяць тому
i read all ðat =D
@Gibberish_
@Gibberish_ Місяць тому
@@jan_Eten thanks lol, means a lot :D
@rbgerald2469
@rbgerald2469 Місяць тому
I tried watching AEG, and it isn't all that bad. It's basically just a meh. On one hand, despite the childishness of the show, they finally were able to write decently characters that were dropped the ball hard in BWBA (Nia, Ashima a wee bit) and characters that were basically not given attention by writers during the mainline show's time (Terrence, Diesel (albeit with a change of personality, which feels refreshing because the mainline show never really bothered to finish Diesel's redemption arc as a character)) On the other; it sacrificed original qualities of the characters and turned some of the steam team into sort of just...there. (Edward) And the animation but I digress. My idea is; give kids time to watch AEG, BUT; lead them to discover the real Thomas And Friends.
@cadensherman1983
@cadensherman1983 Місяць тому
Hell yeah. I used to be so into Thomas when I was little I almost died because I tried to touch a moving train as it passed by my playground, lol. I loved the way it was all set up and realistic, as well as the realities of it, like you said. It made me research trains further and was one of the first things that sparked my interest in engineering
@yoyleb1711
@yoyleb1711 Місяць тому
i was going to comment this exact same thing LMAO
@SlurpyPie
@SlurpyPie Місяць тому
I'm not sure if this counts but I remember growing up watching Rango and loving every minute of it despite how unconventional it was, it was rated PG but it wasn't presented as a kids film with its rather realistic looking animations and surreal yet hilarious presentation and ended up becoming my favorite film as a kid and even now as an adult where I've come to appreciate it more. It kinda made me wish more animated media treated kids with more maturity.
@damian9303
@damian9303 Місяць тому
I remembered always seeing that movie promoted when they tried selling 3D TVs back in the day, can’t say I ever actually did watch it so quite interesting to hear about it in this context
@skiniver5307
@skiniver5307 28 днів тому
Seeing crashbox in the thumbnail made me so happy, it was my everything
@theshinxhunter
@theshinxhunter Місяць тому
Always a treat when someone brings up crashbox, stumbled onto the show effectively by accident as a kid and got hooked!
@metaknightjudgesyoursins4710
@metaknightjudgesyoursins4710 Місяць тому
I think what makes me love Crashbox even as an Adult grownup today is that the characters have.. ACTUAL character Most modern kids shows I’ve seen have had predictable character types Everyone’s cheery Everyone’s happy Everything’s sunshine and rainbows With Crashbox, Captain Bones actively insults the viewer if they get the question wrong Professor Rocket is overly hyperactive and rushes you Dora Smarmy is snarky but very monotone. And The Revolting Slob is… the Revolting Slob. Hell even the intermission robots show more personality, as some feel overworked while others feel unbothered by it. It’s the littlest things like that that make me see how much Crashbox was ahead of it’s time and i’m glad they haven’t rebooted it cuz they’ll probably bastardize everything about the show.
@syabilaazri7834
@syabilaazri7834 29 днів тому
I think that also have been missing from children cartoon show. "Personality"... i remember how there a guy who review Thomas and the Tank Engine and he explain how Thomas use to have a bad habit of making fun on one of his train friend (i dont remember the green train name is...) sure, that make Thomas sound like a jerk but the reviewer point out that what the show production want to show, that even the main character can have a flaw so they can learn their lesson. After all, if you make character with zero flaw, there no be a lesson need to be learn.... even Bluey have her flaw, remember what she did to Sock on X-mas?
@chrisfratz
@chrisfratz Місяць тому
I remember discovering Crashbox as a kid in the mid-2000s by finding it in the HBO section of The On demand service that our Comcast cable box had, and what measurimized me about the show was the animation. And honestly, just watching the intro to the show again just after you mentioned it in this video, it looks stunning. I think I keep falling more in love with stop motion the more I see it, it's amazing.
@jan_Eten
@jan_Eten Місяць тому
>measurimized you mean mesmerized?
@chrisfratz
@chrisfratz Місяць тому
@@jan_Eten Yeah, I guess spell check wasn't working in my favor.
@austinreed7343
@austinreed7343 Місяць тому
I discovered Crashbox at a fancy hotel that had HBO.
@TheRyu64
@TheRyu64 Місяць тому
This video was great. More than explicit information such as lessons and numbers, cartoons are important because they introduce kids to more abstract concepts like storytelling and aesthetic sensibilities too.
@MattMcIrvin
@MattMcIrvin 23 дні тому
When my daughter was in the target age for this stuff, I showed her DVDs of old "Electric Company" episodes (which had actually been labeled "not for children" since there were a few segments that haven't aged well, and research on what was optimally educational had moved on). But with appropriate guidance, that show taught her to read just as it'd taught *me* to read. She was a fan of "WordGirl" too. When she was a little older and watching shows like "Adventure Time", "Gravity Falls" and "Phineas and Ferb", I remember thinking that we were actually in a golden age of that kind of media, since those cartoons were *so* much better than the garbage I'd watched on Saturday mornings in the 1970s. They weren't educational shows, but they had substance--actually quite a lot of narrative complexity with multidimensional characters, some thoughtfully presented messages and sometimes even epic continuing storylines.
@salpertia
@salpertia Місяць тому
This is a breath of fresh air. We traded sesame street, cyberchase, wordgirl, between the lions, word world, electric company, jacob two-two... just to name a few... for drivel not teaching kids anything at all or bland beyond all comprehension. Thank you for bringing this topic more attention.
@SnakeEyesOfficial42
@SnakeEyesOfficial42 Місяць тому
Crashbox reminds me a bit of The Electric Company. I grew up with the reboot. It also taught vocabulary and grammar. There was a live action plot, and cartoon bumpers with various art styles and characters in between breaks in the story. It also aired on PBS lol
@jonelrobinson582
@jonelrobinson582 Місяць тому
I love the electric company. It was favorite when I was a kid
@ericstelzman5190
@ericstelzman5190 25 днів тому
Fun fact: The Electric Company was Spider-Man's debut on TV.
@draco2351
@draco2351 Місяць тому
What a well done video breaking down children’s media over the years. Crashbox and the other HBO Family shows were my childhood so I’m always glad to see them attention. I still have fond memories of George and Martha, Harold and the Purple Crayon, that Fairytales for Every Child show. Wordgirl was just after my time, but I watched it with my younger brother and was impressed with the quality enough to keep up with it. And Bluey out now is a breath of fresh air in the space, hopefully these substantial shows don’t become diamonds in the rough.
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