Half? Some people are permanently indebted.

It is and one of the West’s own doing

SenzaNome excluding Europe

Just a business? The vast majority of education is paid for by the state.

Universities arent what they use to be.

The lie tellist channel, specialist in fear and hate mongering

Tsinghua is in Taiwan China belongs to Taiwan , One Taiwan policy

@@biharisinghkavia7688 Me and my Indian bros ready to collect my 1 rupee from our CIA overlords.

@@biharisinghkavia7688 I did not know there was one in Taiwan before you mentioned it. There is one in Beijing as well which is quite famous

Very well said. China should expand its education to accommodate more students. So that they do not need to go abroad. By recruiting professors worldwide, China could start high-level programs, based on the English Language. Lets the academics and top scholars come to China, not for the students going out.

Exactly! Why does everyone have to hate each other.

@@oliverm1255 since colonialism triggered by ... the ones you know who.

someone said it’s radical left 😝

China have their own censored internet so..

manu Man if we don’t do that, the local internet company has no space to develop and grow larger, and I believe we will not keep the wall for long

Sun Yat Sen, went to a uni in the US. Chinese people, dug in the soils of California land, for gold. Soong families and sisters, built a vibrant Shanghai, and helped those who needed help. And all it took were a few handful of students, knocked down the relationship that went on for like the past 70 odd years, and beyond ?! Even Mao met one of the Soong's sister as well.... and I think she was recruited into the CPC party or other... I do not know what role she played in the end. All help, to raise the poverty level up. Only to be knocked down now. This is possibly the saddest thing.. I never knew that, there were SO many chinese students... I think the figures are a bit high... I think that the figure can come down a little bit. And then, also to do overseas online lectures as well. So some who are capable of behaving themselves should be here in the West. The ones who could not... need to stay at home and connect online. There are also relationships with some of the uni like Harvard as well. It had chinese donation money too !!! I think these kids have lost their minds...

No. It is too easy to get into Chinese universities cuz the government is constantly investing in education and found more new universities or elevate some professional colleges into the university categories by building bigger campus, increase fundings and recruiting new tutors. They only studied abroad because they believe that as long as it is not the most renowned ones it is not worth attending. The ones they attend overseas at usually the mediocres one as well. Admisión requirements of universities in the US’ top tier universities aren’t always that low. it is really just about the vanity

@@nehcooahnait7827 I can tell you know nothing.And you don't understand what the commenter said.

@@nehcooahnait7827 Do you know anything about China?

@@ptolemy1796 but when there is 20million ahigh school graduates every year who all want to go to a top university of course it has a lower acceptance rate, the desire in china to go to a top university is much greater than in the UK or America, in fact I know people who want to go to some universities just for the nightlife and not the uni

No necessarily. A lot of times the parents just think education in America is better. So they send their kids if they can afford it. Especially if they don’t like the communist party and prefer democracy and freedom of speech(my dad is one)

Or AUS

I have seen 3 comments by now about how china students to us spend money like wilddd Like what's the deal? I dunno what's going on. Is it true?

@@tromboner6061 Basically, one of the main reasons why Chinese prefer to study abroad is that universities in China are super super hard to get into due to the humongous population. So, the rich Chinese kids are sent to study abroad. You know what happens when rich kids on a new environment with no one to monitor them try to do.....

Lol! He was also responsible for tienanmen square

@@doom2avatar dumb dumb

doom2avatar please tell me oh moral one, what would you have done? Given you seat to an 18 year old college student in hopes they will bring prosperity? If you’ve never been in China, or research what actually happened,you don’t get a complete view from your public school system education. Sorry for your ignorance.

@@wsl3119 so this justifies shooting up students and torturing them over the judicial system? It is about human dignity

Jose Raul Miguens Cruz Just how Mao was trying to purge the elements of the Gang of Four, of which Deng had strong participation? Yeah sure

Ironic how most world changing political movements started in Universities, now world politics are shaping universities, this is how the world is devolving.

Yeah I agree. CCP is using educations systems around the world to promote their agenda and Propaganda.

Bizarre. Politics begins with cultural learning.

agree

@@TheGolfdaily just shut up plz. one of the most popular hobbies of western is to discuss democracy or freedom with Chinese PROACTIVELY. I am a student in Canada and I have never seen that. Do you know why? Cuz Canada is the only country who truly focus on education and ignores ideologies. Now you can see why Canada is not on the video. Just stop blaming others and forget to find out problem on yourselves when UK US Australia never respect China but keep earning their money. Just look at what Canada does.

You are too nice . Should get a closer to them to find out what they really are.

@@nelumkalachuchi1154 sorry what is that suppose to mean?

Capitalism is only for profit.

It is the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. They rely heavily on international students.

@@anringo7682 He is one of Indian who got too much doses of Western & India media propaganda that promote racism against Chinese

Anyone notice how tall these guys are too? Seems like the guys are 6 ft+ on average. Speaking as a UCLA student, but I heard it's the same at UCI.

​@@animerocks2468 That's because you don't grasp how big and diverse China is. The Western media's attitude of Asians being beta males, combined with a concentration on the small, slightly built Southern Chinese as being the typical Chinese is pretty flawed. One reason for that is the proliferation of Hong Kong media in the 1970's. Hong Kong people, as Southern Chinese, are indeed slightly built. However, if you look at the North and North-Eastern Chinese, they're on average very large - often well over 6ft (the women too), and strong. Northerners have Mongolian and Manchurian ancestry, as well as being near the Russian and Korean borders. I've been to places in Heilongjiang in Winter that are -50C exc. wind chill. You don't survive in that environment by being 5-feet tall and having no meat on your bones.

Jo C Survivor bias

Land money

There are very rich chinese or very poor chinese like my family hahha

Ruby Hypatia first of all, you must have read too much propaganda from your MSM. Secondly, it is the US sanction that stops people in Venezuela from developing their own resources and economy, because they nationalized their own natural resources and kicked out those western companies. Thirdly, we don’t think we have the best system but we are confident that it’s evolving and in our system and we won’t need to tolerate any populist leaders who just put up a show but do nothing. For your 200 year old system, it seems very fragile when it comes to all kinds of crisis. And no kidding, Chinese communist party has the biggest opposition in the world, which is all the liberal parties combined in other counties. So the only thing they can do is to prove that they are competent and become better and better to its citizens.

@Ruby Hypatia Democracy is never mentioned in the constitution. The system is structurally more of a republic, with some democratic elements to make sure powers are balanced.

... In the meanwhile, the average western man does not speak Chinese, he has likely never been to China, he knows nothing about the country's history, culture, society or politics. Yet at the same time he believes he is an expert, judge and juror on the subject.

In all my years at university I never met a single Chinese student who was sympathetic to the Ughyuirs, in actuality they usually called them terroists and deserved it. I did an intro to manadaring and had a few language exchange programs.

@Ruby Hypatia i mean you dont have to go abortion if you got more kids than the limit...., also back when china was barely struggle to feed itself, non-restricted population means starvation and death. Just saying sometimes historical situations would help you to grow better understanding of why the things are the way they are

Your own citizens are dumb as bricks! The majority barely know how to read and write and the basic arithmetics, that's about it and you expect them to go to college?

You realise that international students pay HIGHER FEES than locals and are therefore subsidising the education of the locals? Did you think universities are marketing themselves internationally out of goodness of their heart?

@@kaiserxblue Then its high time the unis invest in them

@@pineapplesareyummy6352 So they make themselves vulnerable when those students stop paying. Also, after graduating, dont they compete with locals for jobs? Its not out of the goodness of heart to locals either.

SpiceYourLife our citizens are not dumb as bricks and on the whole still make up the smartest and most innovative kids you will likely find. No American college should take in international students unless the feeder country has reciprocity with the US. Since American students have zero interest in studying at Chinese universities then we should not admits a single one. Also the risk of espionage is too high. I would have reciprocity with UK as many kids here want to attend Oxbridge and other UK schools as well as others. The tuition paid by internationals is significant but that can easily be offset with admitting more qualified full pay students here in the US who are currently hard pressed to gain admission to elite schools due to quotas for international students and so called under represented minority students.

haha you just described me in a nutshell

Can they work in china as translators? That's an awkward educational background to have

Oh hey that's me lol I actually ended up becoming a US citizen recently though :)

@@deeb.9250 There has been too many translators in China. Consider that the salary for a normal translator is 5,000￥/month while you should spend more than 400,000 ￥ to develop a western graduate for the Chinese parents.

Yes the returnees are called sea turtles

They dont care how much money they pay. They steal patern of tech. It 's more expense than colleg free

@@ThanhThanh-it1pm how? the lecture materials are from textbooks that anyone can buy

They do. I study at the Danish Technical University and there is *a lot* of chinese students here. From undergraduate students to PhDs.

​@@ev.c6 China They have 1.4 billion people, they have 20 millions student in china and millions abroad . "a lot of chinese students" is not big percent, far less than chinese students in US, UK, AU

​@@kingstonfung3977 after graduate they work for company in US or continue to study to graduate PhDs and work for professor, they collect partent . My friend work for semiconductor company in VN, headquarter in US . That company have branch at Shanghai. He found out all email he sent to Shanghai branch to be resent to China GOV.

why i always see you comments lol

la pu

curious about Canada's situation too, should've been mentioned in this video

@T S 53th state

@T S well if it was true they wouldn't have managed to be the richest middle class in the world and why are you triggered anyway , did Canadian universities reject your application . and if it your statement had any elements of truth Canada wouldn't have been ranked the 3rd best country in terms of education .

I teach students here in China who want to study abroad. USA is by far the most common destination. Out of 60 graduates each year, 50 or more will go to the USA to study.

straight into the pockets of university board members, meanwhile the universities rely more and more on adjunct professors and grad student instructors for teaching cause they can be paid less 😒

Instructors are actually very well paid in the US. Avg salary of an associate prof is abt 100k in most states. At instate tuition rates it would need abt 25 full time full paying in state students to cover the bill or just one prof.

@@TheMrgoodmanners the math doesn't seems to work out. $40000 for tuition per student requires 25 students to make $100000?

@@CCLethe I'm talking abt instate students they pay abt 4k for a full load of classes in most states

TheMrgoodmanners here’s a thing, not all professor that teach in Uni are “true” associate professor. A lot of them are considered teachers or lecturers who have little salary and barely any power over their work enviroment.

The uk ones will be fine. The American undergrad schools are greedy pyramid schemes that funnel all their money into coaches and admins. They deserve what they get. Don’t forget that Harvard took COVID bailout money when they had tens of billions in the bank!

doom2avatar thanks for the info, I didn’t know about Harvard but I can’t be surprised.

its not that much power, as they said, they represent 10% of uni funding, but that's it, on the other hand, you'd be surprised on how much china depends on these students, china constantly steals tech from the west and learns from the west, the more they lose contact with western research the less tech development they will have, its impossible to have innovation anywhere near the level that exists in the west if your country is authoritarian and communist, Chinese students have no where near the level of ambition that westerners have, and if they lose contact with western culture they will have even less.

Check Wendovers take on Australia's china problem

​@@artonio5887 LOL! Keep deluding yourself this. When Europe went through its scientific and industrial revolution, EVERY SINGLE ONE of its countries were 'authoritarian'. Most successful Asian countries are still 'authoritarian', so that's clearly no relation between that and the accumulation of knowledge/innovation. Asian countries don't want to be polluted by subversive ideas in the US (just look at the state of chaos there now, the deficit of trust, the political polarisation, the inability of the US government to have any meaningful control over their people, who would want to emulate the US?). That doesn't mean academics can't freely pursue science/technology and innovate. If Asian countries want to grow steadily and harmoniously, and not risk an internal crisis or even imploding, then heck, I hope their governments are competent enough to block out all the poisonous ideas, fake news and conspiracies that are taking the US down a declining spiral!

Jimmy Carter made a huge mistake that day

hey, what's it like studying in the OU?

It's much lower for domestic students around 9,250 grand

great

你知道中国的大学一年学费才5000么？

Don’t you realize that everything is politicized when it comes about China.

Education has been an industry for ever.

The invisible hands lol

Well said.

You mean Chinese student examine the CCP China where they have their education?

And the verdict?

Don't worry.. Canada too lol

@@Coffee_break514 But you guys are like 10x us. Lets be honest those international students know how to dress up!

@@028TuvaluanHero l agree with it，because you need to know that they family have some money，so they can buy internation brand.

@@Coffee_break514 lol I am just an Indian who got admission in Canada for mechanical engineering!

@@Coffee_break514 Canada, you mean the 51st state of the US? Except for Quebec of course, f*** those guys.

What would be their purpose?

Spell Binder i don’t know. My best answer to you would be: why did they leave out Canada and New Zealand?

Canada, you mean the 51st state of the US? Except for Quebec of course, f*** those guys. New Zealand you mean the island province of Australia?

@@caposolomon8745 Yeah, they're petty unimportant countries.

California alone has 2X the population of Canada.

Yeah the generation that publicly opens fire on Tiananmen Square!

All CCP leaders are same

Xi has the same personality as Trump...

@@the420aditya child-level thinking

Harry Louis don’t insult Xi

@alex' And is he wrong? Picking grammar mistakes doesn't make you right, it just shows that you don't have any factual arguments.

@alex' What if he likes the western style? You're clearly the brainwashed one, sit down buddy.

Chinese students who studied outside China are more aware of racism against them, these students are becoming more and more nationalistic in comparison with the students who studied in China who think the US and western countries are better. Living outside your country makes you love your country even more.

STEM degrees aren't everything, plus there are sever demographic issues (Half of its population gone by 2050, with an overwhelming elderly population) scientific issues in China, many being already covered by The Diplomat

Yeah have fun using that stem degree in a country that limits free access to information.

Suresh Ganapathy to be fair most of the tech isn’t “stolen”. The contracts stipulate signing over key tech and us companies, too greedy and focused on short term stock gains, agree to these contracts and throw away their future.

Overflow of graduates lead competition to unemployment.

@Suresh Ganapathy If you have the question, why don't you further think do they really steal so much as reported by western media?

Chinese family don’t care how much money they will spend, they believe it is a investment which can get benefit in the future, because they want their kids become rich, so a lot of Chinese have stress

Yes, smart thing to do

hahah funny

I doubt about the authenticity of this anecdotes. I came here to study 20 +years ago and settled down here in US. I came from China. I see both side of the world, especially how one side portrait another. It is Not objective for sure. I hope more people would have the open mind to visit places and learn with their own eyes and ears.

Jen Q I think you are right, people from both sides were mislead by political propaganda. Nationalism is reviving dangerously on both countries while mistrust and hatred are accumulating. I always despise those haters. Hopefully one day I could come to the States and see for myself.

Citations?

You only need a phone number to report anyone....

So it's identical to the US Patriot Act that spies on Americans living abroad?

*Say that to Uighirs!*

@@tsresc Uighurs are full citizens of China and have the same rights as everyone else in the country. In fact, minority ethnicities sometimes enjoy even more rights than the majority Han ethnicity - e.g., they were never subjected to the one-child policy, they enjoy advantages for entering universities, etc., because China also practices "affirmative action".

@GnarbySZN🐍 And that's what you got from anti China propagandas.

GnarbySZN🐍 robot came here again.....

@@tsresc Go to Xinjiang and talk to an Uyghur over there before making remarks.

James Tang unfortunately that seems to be the case. Meanwhile, govts continue to cut funding for US public school education, and american children barely have a grasp of the english language, can't do simple math and lack critical thinking skills

@@PtolemyXVII Basic education doesnt matter much in fostering talent, the entrance to university is the most important. The more difficult university entrance exam ids the better student's quality.

@@KhoaTang293 You haven't discovered the way to bypass entrance exams to universities. Most top universities actually don't care about entrance exams as long as you do OK in the top 20% range. They look for something else when they choose students. An IT factor that most people aren't aware of.

They don't though. They are too brainwashed for that.

@@adlerzwei It's not that we are not pro-American. We are friendly to Americans, but we are not fools. We can rationally compare the pros & cons between the US and China. I have read The federalist paper, The wealth of the nation, and Benjamin Franklin's biography and wrote articles about these topics, so I am confident to say that I know the US democracy better than most American students know the Chinese political system. To be honest, the US system is not attractive enough for me because it is not that efficient in decision making and not fair to the ill-educated people (who are easily brainwashed by the media and affected by populism). I still think a republic governmental style (rule by the elites) is better suited for current China. Maybe after 30-40 years, China became a developed country, and the Chinese population is well-educated enough to rationally give public policy suggestions to the government, things might start to look different.

This is the nature of capitalism and education is just a form of business. Schools try their best to attract customers to pay for their services. There is an oversupply for higher education, especially at postgraduate level in many western countries. But higher education is undersupply in a lot of developing world. Master level courses are designed to milk profits from self-paying students to fund school's research and undergraduate courses, so they can improve their rankings to attract even more (or more talented) students.

I get what you mean, after all these universities are technically tax payers funded abd should provide education for citizens first, but studies do show that having an international/diverse student body does improve education in colleges. Also colleges are a place to meet new people and learn new things about the world and also serve as an excellent magnet to draw foreign talent to work in the host country and works as a powerful soft power tool. It says a lot about the quality of american universities that xi jing pings daughter went to Harvard out of all schools she could probably have gone to. It's not just about the money! Also it's not like immigrants don't have a part to play in the economy, in america they create 1/3 of all new businesses and have been responsible for many silicon Valley companies.

This is real the nature of capitalism .how are you doing ?

Your hair dye is pretty.

exactly ! As a Chinese student studying in Europe, I feel this analyst is so idealogical but not logical enough. The whole analysis is so politicised.

@M. N. K. ？？？thanks. I knew that.

@@tealittle2972 Don't try to have a normal conversations with a narrow minded person like MNK

interesting

Can’t agree more

Canada is far better than US. I regretted choosing us over canada.

Probably because Canada kidnapped huawei CEO

so study trash? pass

"We lied, we cheated, we stole." - Mike Pompeo

american not creative because they too depend with chinese product.

That’s what happens when the local population doesn’t accept them

@@rubyl3284 that's happening because the oversea Chinese students discover how competent their home government is after seeing the western government.

Sing Star yes, China is so successful at commiting a genocide of the Uighur population, torturing them, let them have no freedom of religion, harvesting organs in living people and even kids, separating families and trying to eradicate there culture. But I’m sure you don’t care, you’re maybe à Chinese paid commenters (apart of the 50 cent army)

@@marwanbenhaddach6043 yes you should also believe Iraq had WMD

Lol source??

We tend to keep these secrets within our Chinese society. It just feels so hilarious everytime to hear the ignorant westerns talking like they know about China, such as the Harry Potter looking guy in this video.

Catch is, in China, the party is the country. If China were as pure as you claimed, they wouldn't have a digital firewall, would they now?

@@UmbraHand if they did not have a firewall you would be bombarded by patriotic comments.

Not even close. All rankings have China as a much easier place to do business than India. China has much less regulation and much lower tariffs than India. You need to check your facts.

From my limited experience and observation, Indian students are not such big spenders as Chinese students. If Indian students, as a whole, bring more money, not only from tuition but also from shopping, accommodation, dining out and traveling, I feel you guys will have more advantage, coz you know in capitalist world, it’s all about money. Secondly, Chinese local governments even build roads, factories and help foreign companies to get loans with very low interest rate and help them get well-trained labours(at least with specific vocational diploma) I don’t understand what do you mean by your economy being ‘more open’.

Fair enough

whats ur comment that got deleted

comment that triggers utube?

maybe

@@liyexiang666 he has to be lying, he didn’t even think about retyping his ‘original’ comment.

agreed 100% they like to wear and live fancy, they have a high consumption which greatly helps other associated businesses apart from unis and the economy in general

the average spend of an international student in the uk is about 100 grand, massive income yeah

100 million millionaires I heard.

Who is weaponizing today's world? Lets go ask the uighur muslims. Or maybe take a look at Hong Kong under that brand new ccp security law. Point the finger at everyone else all you want. China doesnt know respect unless you shut your mouth and play their game. Notice how nobody likes China except for Pakistan and Akon. Notice how every country around china is afraid of them. Respect is not something the Chinese understand. Mao showed all of us that.

Varad J I would say Switzerland, UK and Germany have far better universities than the US. US universities are outdated, expensive and most classes are taught by graduate students without comprehensive knowledge of the subject they're assigned or else lead by professors who whitewash history or expect their students to parrot back the same information they're told to digest. Hence why peter thiel has said one goes to university in order to stop being a creative thinker (or something like that) In my experience, you receive a far better education at a U.K. University, much more diversity of subjects, and professors and tutors will expect students to exercise independent thought and tear down old traditions. I think it's also the reason why U.K. Designers, engineers, and architects are world class whilst the US churns out finance, business and engineering majors who can't think outside the box... I've also taken online courses in a STEM sector from Chinese, US and Russian universities, and the Chinese university by far, had more interesting content than the US one which only stressed multiple choice tests based on application of pharmaceuticals. At the Chinese university course, there was more emphasis on holistic thought and understanding that medicine is a fast moving sector and to understand your assumptions before testing the theory of treatment. The American equivalent university only stressed correct multiple choice answers on which drug to prescribe based on symptoms. My top university picks would be 1) university of Cambridge 2) ETH zurich 3) university of Munich... I wouldn't consider attending an American university again.

@@PtolemyXVII Same with Australia.......

A very Chinese thing to compare the government to parents.

@@maxcakery A government takes care its people. Are you from the US?

@@prathiknayak1434 Chinese parents are known to be quite authoritarian xD

@duren zhang I think you misunderstand his point. The racism against Chinese students has been there since a long time ago. Why must CCP announce this fact only during the coronavirus pandemic? Has CCP been like what you said, a black parent telling the children there is no black racism at school? Has CCP been bluffing all along while promoting study abroad to USA, Australia and UK?

0MZetO racism against Chinese students has been there for long time, but it still in a small proportion in the past. It’s spread more and getting more extreme to the point the government has to step in and make the warning.

You can use VPN

China has a fast wifi even if you still uses a VPN that wouldn't affect online learning

Is that a defense by Hong Kong protesters in case they are caught by CCP Police? Or is that the attempt of CCP Nationalists fighting back against the Hong Kong protesters?

*I think you meant "mistrust" not "gap"*

Totally agree. What we Chinese students are fearing is that the US govt may limit or totally ban Chinese international students.

exactly

Shame on the Economist. Fake news

nice comments there `

@Steven Lee: Your argument doesn't make sense. If most student graduated from cheating, then they didn't learn anything. What's the meaning of graduating from top universities? How are they able to help build their country when they didn't gain any knowledge?