The more I learn about this the more ashamed I am about how much we have let the Palestinians down.

The world owes a huge debt to Ilan Pappé for bringing the truth about the ethnic cleansing of Palestine by the Zionists to the fore. His book on the subject is essential reading for anyone who wants to understand what is still unfolding in Israel. Thank you for this excellent discussion.

Jews who oppose zionism are some of the most courageous lions you will ever meet

I am reading Ilan's book now and indeed it is quite shocking. The world should never have allowed the founding of the state of Israel on Palestinian land.

An Israeli academician, Pappe's FACT and EVIDENCE based Academic work is exposing the REAL history of brutal genocide in Palestine by Nisrael since 1940s. ❤❤ RESPECT! ❤❤

Reading „The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine” made me realise, that history is repeating itself in 2023/24. The brutal and violent way in which the Palestinians were deliberately made to flee in 1947/48 didn’t actually change in tone 75 years later. Whereas the Palestinian population desired to live in peace with the newly arrived Jewish immigrants, the latter launched the cruelest terrorist assaults on defenceless Arab men, women and children. The ruthless destruction of their beautiful villages in order to establish Jewish settlements on those ruins is heartbreaking. Thank you Ilan Pappe this important historical work. Everybody interested in the historical background of this “conflict” should read it.

A victory over Zionism is a victory for humanity.

In these dark times,these two are torch bearers of Humanity.

The British has no rights to give away people's land, how are you going to give away things that is not yours

Mashallah, thank you God for Ilan Pappe. ❤️‍🩹🇵🇸

When i grow up i wanna be a Palestine Israel 1948 Historian just like Illan Papper and Norman Finklestein! From the river to seas, and even the skies, Viva Palestina!

Thank you. Love Ilan Pappe, but PLEASE EVERYONE, must Stop saying “it doesn’t justify what they did.” IT ABSOLUTELY DOES JUSTIFY THE RESISTANCE ACTIONS. They wouldn’t have done it otherwise. It will only be worse. Palestine will be free and Zionism will cease to exist😭🙏🏾🇵🇸💕

For the longest time I bought into the narrative of plucky Israel. But in the past decade or so. I have learned much about the truth of what the State of Israel is in actuality. And while I do not have the fullness of the truth. What I have learned makes me utterly outraged. Frankly I HATE with a cold passion what has been taking place against the indigenous Palestinians. It seems everything I have been taught about history is pretty much a fantasy. The lies, deceit, deception, fabrication, and so on. Makes me angrier with every bit of new information I find. Like my birth place of South Korea. There should be only one Korea. Once again I found I had been lied to and deceived. I've always asked myself what really happened to Korea. I did not truly buy the "storyline" history I was taught. Too many questions kept popping up for me. This is something I found out happened in every fairy tale that I was told to be history. Even the fantasy history of the USA. I was once a Proud American. But now I know it is all a pack of lies over the death and destruction of millions of lives. Just like what Palestine has been undergoing for nearly 3 quarters of a century. A true story in which much of the non western world has faced and still faces. The HATEFULLY ATROCIOUS WANTS FROM THE DEMONS OF THE SO-CALLED WEST. THE IMPERIALIST DESTROYERS WHO WANT IT ALL. I missed the consequencial meaning of the song from the band Queen. I Want It All. But I now know what the song represents.

Thank u Ilan Pappe & those like him 👏🏽

Amazing disscussion. Illan papi is a great man.

This should be taught in every school. The facts speak for themselves, as long as you read the facts.

A man who didn’t ignore this evidence and took action A very courageous thing to do, challenging your own culture and upbringing and understanding the facts and the truth

Read his book "ethnic cleansing of palestine" back in 2008. 15 years on nothing much has changed, Israel still does whatever it wants to do

This is SO SAD! Can you imaginne what a beautiful, and amazing Land it could have been

Love this guy, just love this guy, the courage not to close your eyes in front of a massive injustice even though it will cost you your whole social life, and will force you into exhile, mind boggling courage. You look at him talk and you instantly know he does not represent any political force, or lobby, or somebody's interests, he simply stands for justice, plain and clear.

Ilan Pappe is such an incredible person. A jewel in the cause

I'm reading my 2nd book of Ilan Pappe: The Biggest Prison on Earth. have so much respect to those Jews and Israelis who speak the truth! His French publisher refused to re-publish The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine! How's that in a democracy?! I

Just bought Mr. Pappe's book. I cannot wait to read it. Freedom for Palestine now. 🇵🇸

Thank you Middle East Eye for an eye-opening lecture. Mr. Pappe is a self-proud Jew.

Superb interview. Respect to Peter & Ilan for their courage. Every school, college and university campus should listen to this discussion, as well as our spineless sellout politicians who might grow a back bone.

If only supporters of Israel would listen to this interview...

Excellent discussion. Thank you. At 55 minutes, Elan mentioned that no one in England can imagine what it must have been like for Palestinians going about their business in the 1990s, as they could be challenged at any time by the occupiers. This is not the case in Ireland, where, until the Easter Uprising of 1916 and partial return of our country in 1922, the same applied to Irish citizens in their own land. This is why Ireland, much to its credit, is currently so vocal in support of the Palestinian people’s right to exist.

Never underestimate the evilness of zionism...ever.

Thank you, Peter and Ilan, for this brilliant discussion. I'm sorry people like you have to pay a heavy price for speaking out aganst the evil of Zionism. The world is proud of you❤❤❤

Ilan Pappe's work is brilliant. He is a truly remarkable man.

IIan my family is proud of you. God bless you all.

Thank you for being on the right side of history

I thank my lucky stars for Ilan Pappé. There is still hope with people like him. They shine the light for others to follow. I am constantly awaiting his writings/publications/books. He’s a true scholar and activist.

Pappe is definitely a hero of truth and facts

Wow, it's truly unique to see Ilan Pappe, such a wonderful person. Thank you. You can notice that your heart is pure. You have no hate in your bones. May God bless you and grant you a beautiful home in Aljannatul Alfardous ✊🏼💚🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

Ilan Pappe is my hero, really incredible human-being and civil rights activist!!

Lots of love and respect for the man of inspiration and hope Ilan Pape.

Wonderful discussion. Dr Pappé’s depth of knowledge, honesty clarity, wit & humour should be more known and celebrated. Thank you 🙏🏻

A terrific conversation about horrific events. Your courage in excavating the truth is admirable.

A must-watch Interview! Thank You Professor Ilian Pappe

Always love hearing Ilan Pappe's talk.

Respect guys. Scotland UK 👁️🙏👁️🤗.

Thanks for this excellent talk by Ilan Pappe! His comments clearly explain Germany’s insistence on supporting Israel even now as well as the continued complicit silence of Europe. It’s incredible that people don’t seem to learn from history: millions of Jews were killed because of the inaction of the Europeans and now a genocide of the Palestinians is unfolding and they still haven’t taken any action- remember that they are Israel’s biggest trading partner.

Thank-you, Peter Oborne, for having Dr. Pappas for a comprehensive interview in the time allotted, with Q&A afterwards from the students. You are both knowledgeable gentlemen, and your voices, as you know, are very much needed in the world right now.

The new historians are Ilan Pappe, Avi Shlaim, and Benny Morris. (Before making a U turn and starting to be a Zionist apologist) Norman Finkelstein is not an Israeli historian. He is an American historian and political scientist and an expert on the subject, too.

Great program, thank you Ilan and thank you Peter and thank you MEE!

Sept. 29, 1947 was basically the last day of Palestine as the UN declared a 'partitioning'. 1948 was the Nakba. Israel has never had a constitution or recognized the unfair borders it received, it is not a democracy.

This was an excellent, highly informative interview of import! Thank-you- especially to Professor Pappe for persevering to relay the files, including years later, and continuing even after persecution. You are a historian who blesses those who hear you.

Excellent discussion. Thank you, Ilan Pappé, for your brilliant work revealing important truths and for your very informative talk. Thank you to Peter Osborne and Taunton School for bringing into context the tragic plight of Palestine past and present. Praying for an end to violence and destruction soon.

You are couragious man while most are coward and complicit to tell the truth. Much respect.

I would love ❤️ to read this book by Ilan Pappe. However, not now. My emotions, my energy, my time is for now dedicated to supporting the Palestinians in whatever way possible.

Always love listening to Ilan Pappe. Not enough people like him out here in the West. You keep educating a lot of us my good Sir!

" The first time the phrase “human animal” was recorded in history was by himmaliar, in The Posen speech to SS officers (6 October 1943) - On the 7th, it is crucial to understand that there were no direct attacks on civilians, only collateral damage. Out of the 1148 total names on haaret dataset, 473 military and 675 were civilians. Ratio of civilians to military personnel killed on the 7th was 1 . 4 : 1 - lower than any of the iTf "mowing" operations, which has a ratio of 7 : 1 According to UN OCHA data from 2008 to 2022; The collateral damage on the 7th was significantly lower than any of the ITf "mowing" operations, which had a ratio of 7:1 with 1,023 military personnel out of 6,541 total. On the 7th, with 473 military (418 were iTf military personnel, 55 belonged to the police) out of 1148 total, the ratio of civilians to military personnel was a mere 1.4:1 When including all casualties, not just deaths, the collateral damage ratio of the "mowing" operations is a staggering 162:1 From the 161,233 accumulated civilian casualties over only 14 years of "mowing" operations. A 162 :1 ratio means that for every 162 civillians, 1 military personnel is a casualty. The 7th had a ratio of 1.4:1, more than a hundred times lower. The 473 are - 55 soldiers, 13 privates, 59 corporals, 200 sergeants (45 of whom were sergeant majors), 48 commanders, 32 lieutenants, 5 lieutenant colonels, 6 colonels, 37 officers, 10 inspectors, 6 intendents, and 2 Lance Corp. This was a military defeat, and they are taking it out on the rest. The reported ages of the victims are as follows: 0-4: 2 civilians 5-12: 8 civilians 13-17: 14 civilians 18-25: 132 civilians 26-40: 119 civilians 41-60: 55 civilians 61+: 40 civilians Active duty military personnel: 18-25: 258 active duty military personnel 26-40: 60 active duty military personnel 41-60: 17 active duty military personnel 61+: 1 active duty military personnel haaretz datasheet titled title: xsraxl's Dead: The Names of Those Killed in Hxmxs Attacks, Mxssxcres and the xsrxel-Hxmxs Wxr There is a more detailed report of of oct 7th titled "I scrapped the information about 1096 of the 1460 killed on 7th of October Attack. Children Less than 1%" -Yocheved Lifshitz account - 'they treated us well' -Yasmin Porat account - 'i.T.f kxilled my husband' Civilians were taken to have swaps for the civilians rotting in prisons without charge on the other side. An excess of ten thousands, all before the seventh UN Human Rights Office (UN OCHA) PA Civilians 2008-2023: 2008 - 2,325 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 1,440. 2012 - 3,992 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 255. 2014 - 17,533 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 1,492. 2018 - 31,259 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 300. 2019 - 15,491 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 138. 2020 - 2,581 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 30. 2021 - 19,183 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 349. 2022 - 10,345 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 191. 2023 up to September - 8,508 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 227. civilian deaths on the other side - 2008: 3 , 2012: 6 , 2014: 73 , 2018: 9 2019: 10 , 2020: 0 , 2021: 9 , 2022: 26 Total; 2008 up to September 2023 - 161,233 PA Civilian Casualties, 1,023 military personnel. Wounded includes: amputees from the deliberate targeting of knees by snipers, white phosphorous third degree body burns, etc The "Costs of War" study by brown in 2021 has these figures for the past 20 years of engagement of US policy: indirect deaths 4.5-4.7 million, direct 905-940,000 ; in other words 6 Million Deaths and 38 million displaced. This is relevant because of the Yinon Plan.

Thanks for a great discussion. ❤❤❤🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸

i worry about Illan Pappe's health. Please stay safe.

This was a fascinating discussion. I've learned so much and will re listen and share. Thank you Ilan and Peter

This discussion was way too short🙇🏽‍♀️👏🏽👏🏽Just purchased Ilan’s book👍🏽

Two remarkable men, oozing humanity and sharing the truth 👏🏽 🙌🏽 ❤️

Such an inspiring story of a courageous Jew. Thank you for standing up to injustice and oppression. It must not be easy. Tell your wife she should be proud of your way of not hating yourself but to be true to yourself!❤

Very instructive, interesting session of information most people don't know! Thank you. Share!

It's important to know the history to understand the current context. We need more of these types of conversations to shine light on the truth.

Eloquent and informative

Wow thank you both so much for your service to humanity🙏❤️

Chapeau Ilan Pappe! Thank you!

In the 60's we all read Exodus and saw the movie with Paul Newman and believed Israel was heroic.

It isnt a war its a genocide plse think

Peter Osborne is the bomb 💣👋🏾👋🏾✊🏽🙋🏽‍♀️🇺🇸

Learn something new every day. Thank you for this 😊

Thank you.

❤ Ilan Pappe

TXH a lot for this very important conversation🙏🏻I have great respect for Illan Papé and your chanel as well🙏🏻🌹🇵🇸

War no it’s genocide

A MUST-watch Interview 💯💯

Many thanks to Peter Oborne. What a great interview and discussion, in such a calm manner and all around explaining events, and no pushing of views one is supposed to have. ❤

The inventory of the villages…isn’t that what ethnographers did in colonial Africa as well?! In early 20th Century especially British anthropologists collected information for the Government in order to support Colonial rule.

I LoVE this man!!!!❤

God Bless him. He is risking his life for the truth.

I’d love to see Ilan in person. Is he appearing on any public discussions like this? Maybe Novara Media could host? Love you too Peter ❤🫶🏽🇵🇸

👌Ilan Pappe.

Ilan Pappe is such a great man. Apart from being an incredible scholar , he is a brave and humane person.

Were I to express the views of Ilan Pappe and the following distinguished Jewish/Israeli historians, thinkers and public intellectuals, I would undoubtedly be labeled as antisemitic. This is completely absurd: Ilan Pappe of Exeter University; Avi Shlaim of Oxford University; Shlomo Sand of Tel Aviv University; Norman Finkelstein, formerly of dePaul University and - OF COURSE - Naom Chomsky. These thinkers do have some minor distinctions, but each shares with the others a clear understanding of the oppression of the Plaestinian peoples over the past nearly 80 years since the Nakba. Isreal is a late Settler Colonial state imposed upon an indigenous people who had dwelt in that land for thousands of years and who comprised Muslims, Jews, Christains living in peaceful amity within the Ottoman. domain. These Jewish thinkers stand in the great tradition of Jewish independent minded (one might say "prophetic" ) searchers after Truth & Justice: Isaiah, Spinoza; Marx. Trotsky. The current equation of Anti-Zionism and Antisemitism = making them interchangeable synonyms - recalls a MacCartyite witchhunt.

Great talk. I learned a lot.

I have nothing but respect, admiration and gratitude for Peter and Ilan

Excellent discussion. Thank you for being in the right side of thr history.

Thank you so much for this education!

If you read the works of Jabotisnky, you will realize the evilness of Zionism.

Great Conversation 👍 ❤

Thank you for offering this discussion with such an esteemed academic. But I have a question: As mentioned in the ICJ testimony of the representative from China, a people experiencing illegal occupation are, under international law, permitted to use necessary means to counter that occupation, including armed struggle. So what kind of armed resistance could the besieged and occupied people of Palestine have undertaken that would not be considered reprehensible? And how shall we determine the facts surrounding any such action?

Thank you. A very moving and tragic story. Get the book please. 🥺

FREE PALESTINE!❤🖤🤍💚

An informative conversation. Many thanks 😊

The right and wrong of this issue is clear. Even to those who deny it. The question is how to resolve the situation. What influence and power can be brought to bear to force a just settlement. The French had more colonists in Algeria than the Zionists now have in Palestine. Yet all of those French colonists were removed. So those who say that Israeli settlements in the West Bank are a fait accompli that cannot be undone are demonstrably wrong. The Algerians now control their own state and the French are gone. But as a European (British) I worry that whether the Jews leave Palestine or the Palestinians leave, many will end up in my country and hostilities will flare between them. And of course their old enmities will be brought onto the streets of my country. Though to what extent I can even call Britain _my_ country any more is a moot point.

You know see the pressure against Jeremy corbyn

Very informative and intelligent discussion! Thank you 💓🇵🇸

Thank you Illan Pappe’ for very informative discussion

Thank you for sharing, I have a lot of respect for Ilan Pappe😊

May God help these two courageous intellectuals in and with all goodness

Thanks to Ilan Pappe for being alive.

Ilan is an amazing human. Such dedication to such a humanitarian cause for so long. What a privilege it is to hear him speak.

Amazing ❤