Cortex-A510 - New Armv9 Power Efficiency Core for Smartphones

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Gary Explains

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Arm has announced three new smartphone CPU cores: the Cortex-X2, the Cortex-A710, the Cortex-A510. This video looks at the last of those three. It is a new Armv9 power efficiency CPU core designed for Android smartphones.
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@sharathgowda7068
@sharathgowda7068 2 роки тому
One thing that never changed for the last few years was A55... Finally a replacement found
@omarnoble4788
@omarnoble4788 2 роки тому
And it's not the nearly the upgrade we expected after so long 😔
@vernearase3044
@vernearase3044 2 роки тому
Developed ... not found. You don't send Indiana Jones in to find CPU cores buried deep in a mine in the Yucatan Peninsula.
@User___005
@User___005 2 роки тому
@@omarnoble4788 I think u couldn't understand the video properly
@NawfalHasan
@NawfalHasan 2 роки тому
A53 lasted even longer. A55 was such a big change.
@RealLifeTech187
@RealLifeTech187 2 роки тому
1) add the 3 Gary Explains uploads to the watchlist 2) get a nice coffee & watch 3) ... 4) profit!
@narcoduck
@narcoduck 2 роки тому
The unified FPU reminds me the AMD bulldozer era, but now in more suitable use-case for it.
@ralpholiverschaumann5612
@ralpholiverschaumann5612 2 роки тому
Yeah, thought of that too, shared execution units between "cores"... Sounds like a lawsuit w8ing to happen IF the marketing's done wrong as with AMD
@rimgaudastamulevicius8614
@rimgaudastamulevicius8614 2 роки тому
same idea just some people got mislead by AMD marketing, so now AMR also will need to call instead of 4 cores -> 2 cores :D
@ajrhodes3262
@ajrhodes3262 2 роки тому
Yeah, the bulldozer era AMD CPUs were, how should I say this plainly, just plain bad lol
@faraz1604
@faraz1604 2 роки тому
Finally.. Our imaginary A58 is here 😅
@natjes6017
@natjes6017 2 роки тому
Another great video explaining real things. This was a really great watch 👍🏻
@theogre8452
@theogre8452 2 роки тому
I clicked faster than cortex A510
@sharathgowda7068
@sharathgowda7068 2 роки тому
I liked this comment faster than the Sd888
@tropicbliss1198
@tropicbliss1198 2 роки тому
Negative latency
@jrleex9282
@jrleex9282 2 роки тому
LMFAO 😂
@Chalisque
@Chalisque 2 роки тому
I imagine we might see a quad core version of this on the next RPi.
@sergiomendes6033
@sergiomendes6033 2 роки тому
Thank you for your videos about ARM's V9 its easy to understand
@abymohanan2043
@abymohanan2043 2 роки тому
Thank you so much for this video 👍🏻👌🏻✌🏻
@manulovesjesus
@manulovesjesus 2 роки тому
Tbh the specint performance vs. power graph is kind of dissappointing. Considering the A55 is a 4 year old core and is largely behind what apples efficiency cores are putting down for example, the improvements arent that big. They largely trail the A55 curve and extend to higher performance levels, which to be fair can lead to good efficiency improvements depending on the workload in a whole soc. But even considering those improvements materialize in use cases, I would have expected more from this new Arm core design after 4 years of A55.
@hardcore8uk
@hardcore8uk 2 роки тому
Gary , you the man, the tech guru !!!!, always look forward to watching your videos, superb once again.
@soraaoixxthebluesky
@soraaoixxthebluesky 2 роки тому
6:15 Sounds similar to AMD FX series CPU. Two core shares one FPU.
@user-po8vd5gp5w
@user-po8vd5gp5w 2 роки тому
reducing the area is a good thing and floating point unit is not mostly used in mobile environment
@sumeshuprety3005
@sumeshuprety3005 2 роки тому
I really love this channel, he gives awesome contents
@1MarkKeller
@1MarkKeller 2 роки тому
The Professor professes well.
@HugoHieuLe
@HugoHieuLe 7 місяців тому
What is the maximum clock speed of arm cortex a510?
@Winnetou17
@Winnetou17 2 роки тому
Question about the figures presented at 10:47 A510 vs A55. Are those percentages irrelevant of the manufacturing node ? Will there be the same +10% perf or -20% power usage in 7nm, 5nm and 3nm classes of manufacturing nodes ? Or it's just specific for a m. node ? Or these cores are designed for a specific single m, node anyway and my question is stupid ? Also, can I derive that the minimum power usage (the idle power ?) is higher on A510 ?
@lioryehieli9703
@lioryehieli9703 2 роки тому
What about Matrix SIMD instruction for supporting Deep learning neural network efficient implementation ? is there any chip vendor that has already included these instruction as part of it's instruction set ? similarly to intel AMX instruction set ?
@Winnetou17
@Winnetou17 2 роки тому
Mr. Gary, sorry to be the grammar nazy-like person around (I do lean in that direction) but in the beggining when A510 is compared to A73, it's not within 10% in "performance". If it's having 90% as much IPC and 85% as much clock frequency then it should have .9 * .85 = .765 meaning 76.5% of the performance of the A73. At 65% power usage.
@user-po8vd5gp5w
@user-po8vd5gp5w 2 роки тому
a73 is already good at power efficiency in 10nm, which will be better in today's 7nm, 5nm
@CaseyHancocki3luefire
@CaseyHancocki3luefire 2 роки тому
exactly
@haripn7568
@haripn7568 2 роки тому
Please make a video about Pixelworks Iris 5 and does it matter for devices with high end chipsets like Snapdragon 800 series.
@hdwblade
@hdwblade 2 роки тому
So. The way the core complexes work is a lot like AMD's "8 core" FX 8350?
@HappyMarshmallowGamingComedy
@HappyMarshmallowGamingComedy 2 роки тому
Basically yes
@yash_kambli
@yash_kambli 2 роки тому
Would it be possible to make out of order efficient cores? IMO to keep power usage minimal ,can Take the advantage of advancement in manufacturing process and more L2 cache .
@galdutro
@galdutro 2 роки тому
The icestorm cpu in the apple cpus are 3 wide decode OoO
@ArpanMukhopadhyay93
@ArpanMukhopadhyay93 2 роки тому
Out of order execution can lead to wasted CPU cycles in case of code branch, impacting efficiency
@psychicist
@psychicist 2 роки тому
With this generation of cores you can actually design chips with clusters of Cortex X2 and A710 cores without using any in-order A510 cores. Of course those chips will be more expensive, but I think the premium you pay is well worth it. But still I think 4-8 Cortex A510 cores won't be too shabby either for devices that don't need all that performance. I expect A510 to be at about the level of Cortex A72, which isn't too bad for an in-order core.
@1MarkKeller
@1MarkKeller 2 роки тому
*GARY!!!* *Good evening Professor!* *Good evening fellow classmates!* Stay safe out there everyone! Two days off back to back may give me the time I need to catch up on my studies.
@GaryExplains
@GaryExplains 2 роки тому
MARK! I couldn't think of a better way to spend the time! 😜
@camryhsalem5139
@camryhsalem5139 2 роки тому
Energy consumption is everything in mobile SOC , display , camera ..... Out of order power efficiency core may be on 3 nm technology.
@salmanahmed6552
@salmanahmed6552 2 роки тому
Can you explain Sifive P550 plz
@istaygolden3017
@istaygolden3017 2 роки тому
Finally!!
@waldirbraz5621
@waldirbraz5621 2 роки тому
finnaly!
@techies2250
@techies2250 2 роки тому
Sir Using all apple products plus points and there plus points. Can arm can design apple level processor? Is there will only one limitation which is cost?
@AchwaqKhalid
@AchwaqKhalid 2 роки тому
Finally! This will benefit battery life a lot 📱 🔋
@DK-ox7ze
@DK-ox7ze 2 роки тому
How does the processor decide which task will require more compute, and hence needs to go to the high performance core? From what I understand, instructions are sent to the processor sequentially, one (or a few) at a time, so the processor wouldn't know in advance if the incoming instructions require high amount of computation.
@GaryExplains
@GaryExplains 2 роки тому
The OS controls the CPUs clock speed based on how busy it is. When the clock speed reaches a certain level on the little cores then the task is moved over to the big cores.
@DK-ox7ze
@DK-ox7ze 2 роки тому
@@GaryExplains I see. But I guess that will involve first "copying" the entire task from the little core to the performance core, as there will be a lot of temp memory (CPU cache) utilized by that running process? This might cause a brief "pause" in running of that task?
@GaryExplains
@GaryExplains 2 роки тому
That "pause" happens all the time since there are many tasks/apps running and the OS is switching between them constantly.
@DK-ox7ze
@DK-ox7ze 2 роки тому
@@GaryExplains Ok. I think you should make a video on such processes too! Would be beneficial in understanding of the software-hardware interaction :)
@GaryExplains
@GaryExplains 2 роки тому
I have several videos about all those things. I suggest you start with this one ukposts.info/have/v-deo/jJ5hqWOAgHie1Zc.html and then maybe this one ukposts.info/have/v-deo/nYOcmKRqa2iZqoU.html
@ArpanMukhopadhyay93
@ArpanMukhopadhyay93 2 роки тому
Do the performance improvement figures also take into account new nodes? Or those are pure design improvements?
@GaryExplains
@GaryExplains 2 роки тому
No, this is all on the same node. The key is to look for the phrase "ISO process" on the slides.
@ArpanMukhopadhyay93
@ArpanMukhopadhyay93 2 роки тому
@@GaryExplains oh coool then!
@casperes0912
@casperes0912 2 роки тому
You say the merged cores share an “LTB”. Do you mean “TLB”? I’ve never heard of LTB I think, but a Translation Lookaside Buffer could make sense. Or does it mean something else? If so, what? :) Sharing a TLB sounds like something that could cause concurrency issues though if the operating system isn’t prepared for it. If one thread changes something about a shared memory region and doesn’t get the TLB flushed before the other thread tries to access it
@GaryExplains
@GaryExplains 2 роки тому
Yes I misspoke, which is why I put the text on the screen at that moment.
@BIGbearrrrr
@BIGbearrrrr Рік тому
Although many armv9 chips have been introduced today, what is visible is basically running apps in armv8 compatible mode. Only when Apple made the armv9 chip did it begin to showcase the new features of armv9.
@GaryExplains
@GaryExplains Рік тому
What Armv9 chip did Apple make?
@BIGbearrrrr
@BIGbearrrrr Рік тому
@@GaryExplains Not for the time being.
@filleswe91
@filleswe91 2 роки тому
But Gary, what is the performance and energy efficiency percentage increase of the Cortex A510 from the A55?
@GaryExplains
@GaryExplains 2 роки тому
I guess you didn't watch all the video! 🤦‍♂️ Try 10:46
@filleswe91
@filleswe91 2 роки тому
I missed that part of the video. 😅 Huh, not as big of a increase as I had hoped. This is what will end up in many lower end Android TVs and Chromecast with Google TV hardware refreshes down the line a few years from now then. Great to hear we are promised more A5xx successors after this though. 👌. Thank you for the update Gary. Much love from Sweden. 💙
@ZAR556
@ZAR556 2 роки тому
Cortex X2, a710 and a510 are leap upgrade soo,, should i upgrade my 3yo entrylevel phone this year or next year (??)
@DigitalJedi
@DigitalJedi 2 роки тому
I would wait until after the first generation of devices with these cores is out. Let the first batch figure out the problems so the second gen is ready out of box.
@polyakoviv
@polyakoviv 2 роки тому
Yes actually I have that phone from 2017 in my hand right now
@Riazuddin-dn1pb
@Riazuddin-dn1pb 2 роки тому
Me too
@wicked5595
@wicked5595 2 роки тому
Me too
@arya_amg
@arya_amg 2 роки тому
I'm really happy with 510 finallyyyyyyyy a new power efficient core I hated A55
@qwertyazerty1439
@qwertyazerty1439 2 роки тому
I'm still running cortex-A53 cores. When running newer application they are begging me for retirement. A510 will be a good successor to them I think
@a.thales7641
@a.thales7641 2 роки тому
@@qwertyazerty1439 yeah I also have a73/a53... Would want the X3+A720+A520 in 4nm tsmc or 3nm.
@qwertyazerty1439
@qwertyazerty1439 2 роки тому
@@a.thales7641 Well, I guess you'll have to wait a few years then.
@a.thales7641
@a.thales7641 2 роки тому
@@qwertyazerty1439 this comes out in 0,75 years which would take the next Gen in 1,75 years. So yeah 2 years to go.
@qwertyazerty1439
@qwertyazerty1439 2 роки тому
@@a.thales7641 I don't think there will be a successor to the A520 a year after the A510, but we'll see
@denvera1g1
@denvera1g1 2 роки тому
3:37 i'm assuming this comparrison also uses the same manufacturing node for both processors 6:21 Ah, so its sort of like AMD's bulldozer, but not marketed terribly
@TurboGoth
@TurboGoth 2 роки тому
As a tech nerd who owns a copy of "Computer Architecture: A Quantitative Approach, 3rd Edition" that I bought for a computer class on chip design, I really have to despise ARM on their butchery of the term "architecture" in their consistent misuse of it. The proper meaning of "architecture" is really what they're describing as an "implementation". It's the internal design of how a processor works. The correct word for what they're describing is Instruction-Set Architecture or "ISA" which is which instructions they support although strictly speaking, it's a little more than that because their ISA revs sometimes have more implications than just the supported instructions. For example, the THUMB instructions which were added for tighter code also include a special mechanism for switching the decoder into THUMB mode which describes semantics for the mode switching. But still, overall this is better described as an ISA bump because it's mostly about adding new instructions. ArmV9 is an ISA and the Cortex-A510 is an architecture that runs that ISA.
@TurboGoth
@TurboGoth 2 роки тому
I should mention that I hate NVIDIA more for their wrong meaning of "threads" which are better described as "lanes" of a thread. They deliberately use a very inappropriate term to deceive customers with inflated numbers since their word for threads is the number of ACTUAL threads multiplied by the width of their SIMD vector registers AKA the number of lanes. And so they can claim bigger numbers. So the word isn't just an mistake - it's a deliberate deception.
@GaryExplains
@GaryExplains 2 роки тому
I don't think you need to despise Arm. There are lots of people, way clever than you and me, who work there and who doing all this stuff at the highest level. Arm uses the term ISA frequently and correctly, this is often shortened to Architecture (dropping the Instruction Set part). However you are wrong, architecture does not means implementation. Microarchitecture means implementation. That is why the Cortex-A72 and the Corex-A73 shared the same Architecture (i.e. ISA) but have different Microarchitectures (i.e. implementations). If you read the RISC-V documentation you will find the same usage of Architecture and Microarchitecture . So since Arm are using it like that and RISC-V, then I suggest it is you who have it wrong.
@TurboGoth
@TurboGoth 2 роки тому
@@GaryExplains "despise" may have been a bit of a stronger term than I intended. I'm a bit of a stiffler for terminology which, yes, I do realize the irony where it relates to my own fast and loose use of the word "despise". That said, I DO resent (better word) NVIDIA for their misleading use of the word "thread" because it would figure the deception is intentional and this stinks of fraud. But as you say, "Architecture" is the "A" in "ISA" and so it's a type of architecture. So on second thought, I can look past that one.
@GaryExplains
@GaryExplains 2 роки тому
It isn't about looking past it, that is how the word is used, correctly at that.
@HuntaKiller91
@HuntaKiller91 2 роки тому
Near sd835?I thought the dimensity 800 is already at that level I believe this will surpass it Considering i play ppsspp and citra game aswell as codm & mobile Legends I think this should be a good $199 phone with mali g510
@GaryExplains
@GaryExplains 2 роки тому
How is the Dimensity 800 related to this? It has four Cortex-A76 cores. I don't understand the point you are trying to make?
@faraz1604
@faraz1604 2 роки тому
Woah. This A510 is better than A73. Yet companies are dumping A53 based processor like Helio G25, G35 and P22 even in 2021 in India. & A73 based Snapdragon 460 and 662 😣 Anything below Cortex A76 + A55 should stop selling now.
@HappyMarshmallowGamingComedy
@HappyMarshmallowGamingComedy 2 роки тому
*cries in A73*
@faraz1604
@faraz1604 2 роки тому
@@HappyMarshmallowGamingComedy same here bro. Exynos 9611
@HappyMarshmallowGamingComedy
@HappyMarshmallowGamingComedy 2 роки тому
@@faraz1604 Exynos 7885. Next year i will upgrade, the performance increase should be insane
@mssahil917
@mssahil917 2 роки тому
@@faraz1604 kirin 970
@faraz1604
@faraz1604 2 роки тому
Qualcomm Snapdragon 680 - not letting A73 go 😅
@francescogiuseppearagona1109
@francescogiuseppearagona1109 2 роки тому
5:03 Hmmmm... 🤔🤔 Sounds a bit like bulldozer. Well at least it's only in energy efficient cores, so who cares...
@meorazaharimeorazman9646
@meorazaharimeorazman9646 Рік тому
Exynos 850 still using 8 core of a55, and it's already 3 years old Hopefully samsung will create new chipset using 8 core of cortex a510
@johnvandeven2188
@johnvandeven2188 2 роки тому
This is sounding a lot like AMD's Bulldozer architecture. It was a brilliant idea but Microsoft didn't change their operating system scheduler to accommodate AMD's design.
@mikiswordbreaker4805
@mikiswordbreaker4805 2 роки тому
So..as the performance is a bit higher than A73 core..i wonder if upcoming smartphone Soc there will be all A510 quad cores..as same as SD 625 back then which using power efficiency cores in its build..must be quiet a budget Soc in terms of performance and power saving..
@wicked5595
@wicked5595 2 роки тому
8x A510 will rule low end smartphones
@DigitalJedi
@DigitalJedi 2 роки тому
I think s lot of manufacturers are going to want at least one or 2 big cores. Maybe a 2 + 6 setup. All little would be neat to see though.
@melgross
@melgross 2 роки тому
According to Anandtech, this isn’t very impressive. Very little actual performance increase. The v.9 instruction set is more important.
@movax20h
@movax20h 2 роки тому
v9 isn't important. It is just marketing. v9 is v8 with minimal changes, and the only changes are really in the non-CPU core areas (like debug, timers, interrupts, etc).
@melgross
@melgross 2 роки тому
@@movax20h if that’s what you want to think,
@gsgrzegorz98
@gsgrzegorz98 2 роки тому
6:00 I'm getting bulldozer vibes
@crpro5420
@crpro5420 2 роки тому
Watching on a device of 2+6 A75/A55 😅
@Bazsy92
@Bazsy92 2 роки тому
10% less IPC and 15% less frequency means 23.5% less performance, the 35% power saved is not so impressive like that.
@Analisede_Tudo
@Analisede_Tudo 2 роки тому
Yes, it more like a cortex a72 this a510 core. Not bad, but absolutely worse than apple
@oskarelmgren
@oskarelmgren 2 роки тому
Hold on there... 10% reduction on IPC, 15% reduction in frequency = 76.5% the performance. Surely dropping the frequency of the older core to match that performance would save more than the 35% power efficiency "gain"? Seems like a useless product. Unless the footprint is much smaller or something.
@antoniostorcke
@antoniostorcke 2 роки тому
Couldn't Apple simple adopt Risc-v and add the Arm instructions?
@GaryExplains
@GaryExplains 2 роки тому
Why would it do that?
@antoniostorcke
@antoniostorcke 2 роки тому
@@GaryExplains Apple always looks 20 Years into the future. 2042 will be a very important year for Apple. They have nothing to lose. Adding ARM instructions to their own proprietary RISC-V would be a simple matter. The transition would be seamless.
@GaryExplains
@GaryExplains 2 роки тому
2042! 🤔
@antoniostorcke
@antoniostorcke 2 роки тому
@@GaryExplains Yes, 2042. Apple wants to take full advantage of their preexisting Arm architecture. Since there is no rush, since the evolution to Risc-V would be additive, not subtractive, Apple can sleep and enjoy what they have built. Apple will claim.a 20 or even 40 year transitional legacy and then unleash The "Next big thing. " Apple will claim they have evolved to "Apple Silicon-V" The truth is, Apple is building these systems internally even now in 2021, By 2042, Apple's true next big thing will be "Transparent Photonic " processors", which we will see in 2062.
@awesommee333
@awesommee333 2 роки тому
A bit over 10% better efficiency when doing the math than a BIG core from THREE years ago? What the actual f? How does that make any sense?
@samernabeel5971
@samernabeel5971 2 роки тому
.
@tedarcher9120
@tedarcher9120 2 роки тому
Only 35% less power? That's pathetic. A76 is more efficient
@GaryExplains
@GaryExplains 2 роки тому
What is your rational that the A75 is more efficient?
@tedarcher9120
@tedarcher9120 2 роки тому
@@GaryExplains if you downvolt a75 or 76 it to the 73 power, it will be more efficient
@GaryExplains
@GaryExplains 2 роки тому
How do you know that?
@tedarcher9120
@tedarcher9120 2 роки тому
@@GaryExplains because a76 has 40% less power consumption compared to a75, let alone a73, with the same power
@GaryExplains
@GaryExplains 2 роки тому
Ah, I see. Well the A76 is only 40% more efficient than the A75 when you include the move from 10nm to 7nm.
@noureddinesamai1618
@noureddinesamai1618 2 роки тому
1st
@noureddinesamai1618
@noureddinesamai1618 2 роки тому
How to prevent from hijack section attack ؟!!
@ResidentGunNut
@ResidentGunNut 2 роки тому
hmmm hopefully won't work like AMD's disastrous Bulldozer uarc
@jinx3709
@jinx3709 2 роки тому
finally there's a replacement of A55, and guess what, it took almost a decade to make one,.. huh.. nice work, no wonder why Apple is far ahead of the competition. Now there's that freaking M1, if they managed to squeeze it into an iPhone, it's GAME OVER for all manufacturers, including Qualcomm, Samsung and Mediatek.
@GaryExplains
@GaryExplains 2 роки тому
A decade? Hmmm... No.
@shresthsonkar9207
@shresthsonkar9207 2 роки тому
M1 won’t go into iPhone ever. The package size itself is so big that you’d need to either make the battery small to put the M1 in iPhone logic board, or make it thicker. The power draw is also much more than the A14, almost 3-4x more. A14 is 5-6W and M1 can have 15-20W. The phone is a glass sandwich. Unlike the iPad and Mac which have huge aluminium surfaces acting as natural heatsink, the iPhone has glass on both sides thus would need specialised cooling systems.
@piotrd.4850
@piotrd.4850 2 роки тому
Dude - A13 is more than adequate for mobile phone and A14 is thermally throttled even in iPads. Nobody needs such monster in such package.
@dachyvashakmadze1871
@dachyvashakmadze1871 2 роки тому
Man after watching y videos about this subject, I am never buying phone without new cores and GPU. If ARM marketing is at list 70% correct than, it is really dum not to w8 1 year if y can, for new generation.
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