Saw: The Complete History of Jigsaw | Horror History
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День томуJohn Kramer is the engineering mastermind known as Jigsaw, who was responsible for the loss of at least 57 victims. How did Kramer's past turn him into one of the most feared horror villains?
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Born in 1954, John Kramer would eventually become the most iconic serial criminal that the Metropolitan Police Department would ever come up against. Although he is rarely the one to physically harm his victims, Kramer exhibits the behavior of a psychopath. The name Jigsaw derives from cutting Jigsaw pieces from the flesh of his failed victims as a symbol for the missing piece of their survival instinct.
Looking through his entire 52 year history, we can start to put together some of the puzzle that makes up the life of Jigsaw. The obscure details of his early life and his fascination with developing a religion or cult are just a few of the many pieces necessary to understand how the main antagonist of the Saw franchise came to be.
In this video, I'll be analyzing the entire life of John Kramer, including his marriage to Jill Tuck, the creation of his games, the disciples he raised to carry on his legacy, and his ultimate downfall. We'll also be looking at the traps, from the iconic reverse bear trap, to John's personal favorite: the rack and more!
For my analysis, I'll only using the canon material (the Saw films and short films: Full Disclosure Report and The Scott Tibbs Documentary). The other material, like the comic, Saw: Rebirth, and the video games, Saw and Saw II: Flesh and Blood, aren't considered canon, but there are certain non-contradictory clues we can use from them to make inferences about John's story. I'll even use the Saw soundtracks for part of my analysis.
I believe this may be the most accurate timeline of the Saw universe on the internet!
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Chapters
0:00:00 Intro
0:01:37 John Kramer's Past
0:05:04 The Origin of Jigsaw
0:09:41 Rebirth
0:15:37 Cult of Jigsaw
0:21:31 The Next Disciples
0:33:36 The Bathroom Game
0:39:13 The Nerve Gas House
0:49:14 Mastering His Craft
0:54:55 The Trial of Jeff Denlon Or: Amanda's Final Test
1:06:42 The Death of John Kramer
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@CZsWorld 3 роки тому
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@TheGamer2kplays 3 роки тому
Do Jason voorhees
@RedPepsi22 3 роки тому
Do Horror history Cecil Adams
@bartendersmr4160 3 роки тому
I dunno if i should do it or nottttttttt
@jeremygrahamjg 3 роки тому
U are so dope for your breakdowns thank u i love thinking keep it up cant wait to see more and how u keep getting better much love from philly💯✌🏾
@billyjames8381 3 роки тому
That was a fricking awesome episode thanks for all your hard work and research mate
@TheRealGuywithoutaMustache 3 роки тому
It's all fun and games until you forget to recycle and wake up in one of his traps.
@bahahgriswold8496 3 роки тому
Do u ever sleep?
@dakotajensen181 3 роки тому
Whoops, didnt pay your water bill? Welcome to my new trap.
@jacobminster5793 3 роки тому
Old lady tripped and you didn’t help her up? Welcome to the game.
@theidiotnamedjay5501 3 роки тому
My man
@truvy_5544 3 роки тому
*Forgets to cover nose while sneezing* “I wanna play a game.”
@synthiandrakon 3 роки тому
Its funny how arbitrarily he chooses his victims, like in the first tests one of the victims is a woman who killed her own baby and blamed her husband and later he's killing people who didn't give him good enough customer service. Jigsaw is the ultimate Karen
@86Kera 3 роки тому
And the woman for being depressed
@firemaker1258 3 роки тому
He picked William because William refused insurance to many people, not just him.
@divaalfirman3295 3 роки тому
I'm assuming you're referring to the insurance guy. Bad customer service is when a server brings you the wrong food. This guy deliberately denied Jigsaw's insurance claim for his own selfish reasons (remember: this wasn't by accident, they actually created their very own loophole.) I don't know about your moral values, but to me that's just downright evil
@synthiandrakon 3 роки тому
@@divaalfirman3295 he kidnapped the doctor who was treating him, not because she did anything wrong as a doctor but because he didn't like her attitude.
@thebluemorpho2962 3 роки тому
A male Karen is a Kyle you simpleton 😂
@DammnDeejay Рік тому
I think John’s entire method of healing is simply giving his victims massive PTSD in the most complicated form possible
@switters8679 11 місяців тому
I mean, he might rationalize it a different way, but you're not wrong.
@DrRhyhm 11 місяців тому
I kinda get his logic. By surviving the a trauma it might shed different light on your other problems, like addiction or depression(i know depression could be chemical but still a trauma might cure it cause a trauma is also a strong chemical shift in the brain)
@carolyndamish1601 10 місяців тому
I suffer from addiction and he’s completely right. Addiction stems from trauma and if you go through almost dying it makes ur other trauma (ex abuse; rape) the trauma that makes you use drugs, you will realize you can be stronger than your trauma and live. Being chemically addicted is easy to get over, you will continue to do drugs until you heal your trauma. Hey I might just do more drugs because of all the trauma he gave me in the traps BAHAHA
@xMary96 10 місяців тому
AND it is effective! I used to struggle with depression and not wanting to live, but then someone hurt me (will not go into details because it is graphic and personal) and I barley made it out alive. At the moment I thought I was going to die, I wanted nothing more than to live and was fighting for my life. I have PTSD now, and while it is difficult to cope with, it changed my view on life and death. I have always been a Saw fan always thought if I ended up in a trap it would change my way of thinking. I do not want to like those who said "he was brutal but his heart was in the right place" because what he and other does are messed up and cannot be excused (Even though this is just movies), BUT I will admit that I guess I had the reaction John was looking for with his victims; The will to live, and change. This is suck a freaking weird message, but I thought it could be interesting for others to see in a different perspective of someone who went through something traumatic that almost took my life, but ended up changing me, both in good and bad ways.
@Sammsy1126 9 місяців тому
@@DrRhyhmI like this Doctors opinion
@StuckonStupid84 6 місяців тому
One thing that I love about the saw franchise is that despite the flaws in his logic among other things, he never really loses. He's always plans ahead even in death. Even if something does go astray, he has a backup plan for it.
@dunkangasafaraway 6 місяців тому
this! 💯
@angeloh58d 4 місяці тому
Yea fr because usually the killer always loses they need to make more movies where that doesn’t happen
@indeimaus 3 роки тому
looks at clock 4am looks at the length of the video fuck here we go
@localmusiclover605 3 роки тому
LESS GOOO
@mamdouhobeydat8057 3 роки тому
oh thats based
@CZsWorld 3 роки тому
That's the right way to live your life haha.
@alanolivar9704 3 роки тому
Verified 😶
@ChrisMortJr. 3 роки тому
@indeimaus you pop up on every fuckin video i'm about to watch stop following me
@edoardocaprara3676 3 роки тому
Love or hate this saga, we can all agree on one thing: Tobin Bell did an astonishing acting performance playing the Jigsaw killer. Felt like he was a real killer and they made a movie saga about him.
@mala6238 3 роки тому
Agreed.
@logandillon4095 3 роки тому
bUt He'S nOt A kiLLeR
@youtube-kit9450 3 роки тому
The movie series never would have been as successful without Tobin Bell as Jigsaw showing up in every installment.
@RileyWhiddenIsArguablyInsane 3 роки тому
absolutely. bell's performance absolutely sells kramer as a psychologically flawed, but entirely plausible person. call me morbid, but it's the human monsters i find myself enjoying to watch the most.
@bradmerilic6848 3 роки тому
Well, Tobin isn't exactly new to this whole acting gig. He started in '79, and he started getting credited rolls in '88 it looks like. Sadly he just hadn't really hit it "big" until his 60's.
@greenblyat Рік тому
I feel like the "missing piece" was Gideon. His literal legacy.
@Erzan391 Рік тому
Agreed.
@tomd96 8 місяців тому
I'd argue he was missing the most important piece of all. If I were a psychopath I wouldn't put myself in a room knowing there's a possibility I could die from something out of my control. He lacked the will to live, and instead of spending his final months reflecting and handing himself in, he spent that time testing others and trying to prove his method. Just seemed like a really messy character compared to what he's portrayed as.
@arli6226 Рік тому
I love when Saw goes back to previous movies and shows you something that was there all along like when it showed Hoffman and John kidnapping the man from the razor wire maze trap.
@slinkraidsagain Рік тому
so glad Tobin Bell stayed through all of the saw movies, wouldn't have been the same without him
@lindseybethea6979 Рік тому
Before saw, he was type cast a psycho in several movies. All small parts. It's a shame he didn't get major roles until the 2000's.
@laalaag2auntyayag776 Рік тому
@@lindseybethea6979 You're right, he was a psycho in Malice- a brilliantly clever 90s movie, but it was a small part
@anam1790 Рік тому
Slayed*
@stinky1426 Рік тому
Read this TWICE as “Taco Bell” and was very confused 😂
@trackerjacker0013 Рік тому
He is “Jigsaw”. Much like Robert Englund was for Freddy. Only Tobin bell could be John Kramer. Master thespians and horror icons.
@jonvia 3 роки тому
The actor who played John was a PERFECT CASTING!!! He gave that creepiness that we needed from a guy that created such weird shizzeruski.
@marthastone4754 2 роки тому
Tobin Bell was the best casting for Jigsaw indeed.
@totterdell 2 роки тому
Tobin bell crushed it as jigsaw
@CeltycSparrow 2 роки тому
He reminds me a bit of Anthony Hopkin's Hannibal Lecter. He's definitely a villain and a killer.....but there's a certain honorable quality to him. He believes in manners and rules.
@mikepastor.k6233 2 роки тому
He was a real creep in the Fugitive'.
@jaydee4861 2 роки тому
The one issue i had was he was too old for the character's age, if they made him in his 60's it would be better, and if Jill and him had an actual kid who was grown up and killed as an adult by Cecil, it would make more sense to me, but that''s just my thought
@jonathanfrench2131 Рік тому
The guy who played jigsaw was the perfect casting choice he has a great voice for the character
@jeffcarpenter9292 Рік тому
I gotta say I’m so impressed by all the ways CZ identifies Jigsaw’s “God Complex” and shows him to be acting irrationally and selfishly (and psychotically), not actually consistent with the moral way he believes he is. Really astute
@danhagen8502 3 дні тому
Yeah, you see where the gaps are. Like when he told Eric Matthews that he never killed anybody, they make their own choices. Eric said "If you put a gun in somebody's hand and force them to kill themselves then it's still murder." He didn't address that point and deflected the topic back to Eric.
@abvgavl 2 роки тому
No way I couldn't watch a two minute video for my geography class, but can watch an hour long DOCUMENTARY on a horror movie character 👁️👄👁️
@TheTheninjagummybear 2 роки тому
One interests you and the other doesn't
@JohnJonesBilly 2 роки тому
You must have lost the edge
@OGMCMLXXI 2 роки тому
@@TheTheninjagummybear no he is just dumb and probably dont know where South Dakota is at let alone Europe..this generation is dumb as rocks
@OGMCMLXXI 2 роки тому
@Buzz Killington wow..umm yes especially back in the day..had citizenship class also that u MUST pass to graduate this generation is just plain stupid..raise by stupid parents
@OGMCMLXXI 2 роки тому
cause u are low brain tht cares more about movies than places around u...
@zacharynaragon7313 2 роки тому
It’s interesting how John can’t see that Amanda is following his exact footsteps, with her believing in his philosophy in the beginning, but becoming more sadistic over time as they do more and more games.
@aaroncoats1555 2 роки тому
@@Betrayed_King she was still setting up unwinnable games which even though John is fucked up he gives u a chance to survive but she didn't give u a chance to survive is y he did to her what he did which in his mind made since even though he was still killing people like she was just some survived and some didn't
@jgraninger5748 2 роки тому
To be fair, he ends up with like 4 or 5 other discount versions/accomplices he has to watch..
@0TheJigsawKiller0 2 роки тому
@@aaroncoats1555 some of jigsaws traps were unwinnable for some. for example in the 3rd movie every single trap can only be won by jeff (the guy whose son died in the car crash) so the people in the traps didn't really have a choice whether they wanted to live or not. with the 6th movie, in every trap, someone has to die (the smoker guy in the rib crushing trap, the guy with no friends or family in the hanging trap, 4 out of the 6 people on the carousel trap). some of jigsaws trapped were rigged so the people in them had no control over whether they live or die, or someone HAD to die, which goes against everything he says he stands for
@aaroncoats1555 2 роки тому
@@0TheJigsawKiller0 that wasn't john though that's why she got tested by John herself bc he always gave u a chance to live but she didn't amanda even was fuckin with the first teat we got to see but John didn't know yet then when he knew what she was doing he put her in another test
@aaroncoats1555 2 роки тому
@@0TheJigsawKiller0 and in that John was judging them not that it was right but he was giving Jeff the chance to save them or take his revenge and slow ass motherfuckin jeff was just to slow to save them ps. if ur a fan of DEAD MEAT then u know y I called Jeff that
@devilsorchard1449 Рік тому
The continuity of this franchise is amazing! Especially for a series that not only has about 100 entries, but one that most know as nothing but "torture porn". It's gotta be up there as one of the most cohesive and carefully done stories in all of cinema!
@Heliosphan15 10 місяців тому
I love that there is real intellect and substance to these movies that dismissive critics just couldn’t give any credit to because of how distractingly gory and trashy they were. When you look past that, there is storytelling merit!
@devilsorchard1449 10 місяців тому
@Heliosphan15 It was actually a stroke of genius on behalf of Wan & Whannell, if you think about it. Use the bloody gimmick to reel everyone in, and then the ones who weren't immediately turned off by it can stick around for the story.
@fxdedflxwers907 8 місяців тому
I’ve never heard the term “torture porn” but now a lot more things make sense.
@CommonSwense 5 місяців тому
The worst mistake they made in the saw series was: SAYING JOHN KRAMER WAS 52 AT THE TIME OF HIS DEATH. Clearly he was in his 60's when he died, which made all the subsequent flashbacks harder to believe especially after long gaps like in Jigsaw and Saw X.
@woah6628 3 роки тому
"EVERYBODY DESERVES A CHANCE!" John 3 seconds later: * John Kramer has deleted this tweet *
@_x2np_ 2 роки тому
True xd
@vincentschor4755 2 роки тому
LOL
@phantomdriver2010 3 роки тому
I absolutly love John with the backwards baseball cap trying to blend in lmao
@yourimaginaryfriend8252 2 роки тому
"How do you do, fellow kids?"
@ericawillis. 2 роки тому
"what's up with the wack PlayStation"
@CoRLex-jh5vx 2 роки тому
"Do you have a weed, my bro? I, a teen like you, love to do a weed."
@RileyWritey 2 роки тому
"Sup dawg I wanna play a game. You got xbox?"
@amuroray9115 2 роки тому
@@yourimaginaryfriend8252 lmfao
@WillieManga 10 місяців тому
This is exactly what I was looking for. Some comedy mixed in with a damn good guide to understand this really all-over-the-place timeline.
@joshmarkham862 7 місяців тому
Anyone here after Saw X?
@angelyeager210 Місяць тому
You a baby in this culture
@Bayper222 20 днів тому
me
@mr.froglegs 3 роки тому
Its legitimately horrifying to learn that he had almost all of those victims in his plans years before. They were fucked and they didn't even know it.
@kone7549 2 роки тому
@Aaron Uzcategui The *W H A T*
@norab5 2 роки тому
@@kone7549 Brain eating *amoeba* . The name is _Naegleria fowleri_ . Good luck enjoying a swim after you Google it.
@t.dominey4150 2 роки тому
@@kone7549 eh, they basically only exist in one pool in New Zealand with the exact right circumstances
@pedestrian_0 2 роки тому
@@t.dominey4150 that's not true i saw an amoeba jaywalking the other day!
@AntdaGreat 2 роки тому
@@vegeta1885 😟
@lissakay4899 3 роки тому
Quick side note: Seven months is considered a stillborn, not miscarriage. Stillbirth children are commonly buried.
@adman1381 2 роки тому
Didn’t know that. Thanks for teaching me something new.
@CoRLex-jh5vx 2 роки тому
In the United States, miscarriage is before the 20th week, stillborn is after the 20th. In the UK its the 24th week. I think Australia uses 20th week and/or weight of the child. Stillbirth is 400 grams or more. Very weird to look into, and not something you would've assumed had so much variation
@user-ld2qx5yw3h 2 роки тому
@@CoRLex-jh5vx I think it goes on medical viability depending on the laws of that particular area. I'm pretty sure that if it is at a medically viable age when it dies, it is technically a stillbirth. Before that, miscarriage.
@Harloween74 2 роки тому
@@CoRLex-jh5vx unrelated to the vid, but that difference is one of the reasons the US infant mortality rate is viewed as worse in the US compared to other wealthy nations.
@CoRLex-jh5vx 2 роки тому
@@user-ld2qx5yw3h yea, I did guess that was where the distinction came from. It's still strange that there's a four week variation depending on the country, which is what I was commenting on. I'm guessing its just based on premature survival rates per country?
@_Rook12 8 місяців тому
i'd always interpreted the "we've met" line to mean "since you've apparently been in one of my traps, we've already met," and in that way indirectly tells him that he's jigsaw
@Incepter. 5 місяців тому
Jigsaw is one of the most terrifying non-superhuman villains I've seen in a franchise, his intelligence and psychopathic behavior are a deadly combination. I enjoy the writing of Jigsaw but I know it would traumatize me if I watch this movies because of the gore and flesh, blood, etc.
@chef_loudencer6040 3 роки тому
"Everybody deserves a chance" John said calmly
@nevermoresaiththeraven1964 2 роки тому
🤣🤣🤣🤣
@DeathGodRiku 2 роки тому
Ok Dumbledore lol
@blackpinklover5457 2 роки тому
HARRYPOTTERDIDYOUPUTYOYRNAMEINTHEGOBLETOFFIRE.
@adrianawilliams4810 2 роки тому
@@blackpinklover5457 “Dumbledore said calmly”
@Pintoenorme 2 роки тому
The guy in the powerdrill trap: ok lol 👍
@Parzival7221 3 роки тому
FINALLY. He's doing John Kramer.
@CZsWorld 3 роки тому
About time.
@Anna-fm1if 3 роки тому
@Aaron Lovell same person lol
@lelouchlamperouge3566 3 роки тому
I thought he did that already
@erika3016 3 роки тому
He saved the best for last.
@lakewish 3 роки тому
@@Anna-fm1if r/woosh
@EricBehaviorAnalyst Рік тому
I just discovered this channel and I'm all about it. Game Theory is essentially just the act of balancing your options in an optimal way that can't be exploited by an opponent's option selection. I'd say he is more of a master of behavior analysis than he is a master of game theory
@mitchwillkillu 8 місяців тому
Yo this is mind blowing stuff to me cause I always viewed jigsaw as a mind fuck as a whole cause I knew most of the movies are linked but they can definitely throw you off mentally with when, where and who's timeliness they are in so I can definitely really appreciate this guy for properly explaining it all in chronological order 😊❤
@GenetMJF Рік тому
I am glad you talk about it how John's "reasons to rehabilitate" are not that good. When I was an edgy teen I was like "John is an antihero. Ye he kills but he helps people". Like no. That's what he keeps telling himself and others. If there's no evil people left to "help", he'd pick a guy who just littered or something. Because he likes doing what he does.
@ramen-boi Рік тому
GANE THEORY
@ramen-boi Рік тому
Gam*
@ramen-boi Рік тому
Gane*
@ramen-boi Рік тому
Game"
@ramen-boi Рік тому
**
@thegreenvoltage 3 роки тому
VR Game idea: you’re a victim of Jigsaw and have a certain amount of time to free yourself from one of his traps. Think about how terrifying that would be.
@januszkurahenowski2860 3 роки тому
Sounds cool but other saw games were not that great so it doesn't sound that promising.
@MetalFox619 3 роки тому
@@januszkurahenowski2860 the first saw game had some potential. The second one however....
@LimusTG 2 роки тому
thanks, i hate that idea
@slashfromsecondlife816 2 роки тому
But you have the option to not even get one or take it off so your idea simply sucks
@flagdefender587 2 роки тому
you could have 2 tries before you have to restart too because EVERYBODY DESERVES A SECOND CHANCE!
@dogmat8733 6 місяців тому
With that bit at the end, I think the key thing that John was missing that made him on the same level as his victims was an appreciation for his own life. He gets diagnosed with cancer and tries to kill himself, yet instead of appreciating the time he has left and perhaps spending it with his wife or maybe even trying for another kid, he doubles down on his beliefs that he can make others appreciate their lives as much as he thinks he does by putting them through the same torment he experienced. Instead of dying surrounded by friends and family he knew well, he was killed by a man who experienced the same torment as him in an abandoned and cold reminder of his past. Instead of working to create a lasting impact on society through his work and philanthropy, he died and left behind a legacy of blood and pain. John, for all his talk of others needing to appreciate their lives, didn’t have the same appreciation for his own. There’s a difference between appreciating your life and wanting to stay alive, and John couldn’t see the difference.
@dirtbutcher6100 Рік тому
I had no idea I needed this content in my life. I haven't watched a Saw movie since saw 3, but this breakdown of the whole series is pretty entertaining
@BryceEdwardBrown 3 роки тому
Over an hour long CZsWorld video? Um, yes please
@roborievolo1578 3 роки тому
B i n g e W a t c h i n g T i m e
@TummaDemoni 3 роки тому
You know what they say longer video equals more content.
@kristenefox7001 3 роки тому
First thing I noticed. I fuckin love when he goes ham and gives a whole ass movie to us.
@anjulikamins6420 3 роки тому
Right!?
@31webseries 3 роки тому
And one with a Death Note reference?!!! Happiness is this!
@luuhsuzuki 3 роки тому
I love how you make it clear all the way that John was a psycho that was no better than his victims. Right from the start, I started making the connections with Kira, as they both started with a self indulgent "good intention" and soon took a downward spiral into god- complex. Both started viewing their work as necessary and ended up enjoying making people fear and suffer, starting to punish petty criminals and even people who were just after them. Amazing video!
@jenniferloving9054 2 роки тому
Me, too. Death Note is one of my favorite anime.
@luuhsuzuki 2 роки тому
@@jenniferloving9054 Mine too!
@JH-ej2yt 2 роки тому
Love death note
@edwardmcintosh7952 2 роки тому
real question: do you think Jigsaw could get to Kira before Kira figures him out?
@luuhsuzuki 2 роки тому
@@edwardmcintosh7952 I think Kira would get to Jigsaw first. John used to choose people too close to him for the tests, people who he felt that did him dirty, personally. I think Kira would track him down easily, not to mention Jigsaw would have to actually get to Kira physically, while Kira could get him from distance. I don't think Jigsaw would even find out who Kira is before having a sudden heart attack.
@slumpmachinegaming Рік тому
45:50 this man has the laugh of a maniacal overlord and I love it
@sophiehalliday4289 Рік тому
Would never want anyone else to play as John Kramer, Tobin Bell was brilliant 👏🏻
@al-tu7sn 3 роки тому
a depressive episode just began, and i see this on my timeline... you deserve the world
@stephaniehopkins5661 3 роки тому
Oh my god same. I just got dumped last night and this is 100% what I needed to zone out to.
@feliscatus7057 3 роки тому
saaameee dude
@Xehanort10 3 роки тому
@@stephaniehopkins5661 Sorry that happened to you.
@naps2025 3 роки тому
@@stephaniehopkins5661 someone shit on you???
@al-tu7sn 2 роки тому
@@stephaniehopkins5661 you also deserve the world, dear
@digitalharmony26 3 роки тому
I actually feel so bad for that little girl. Even if she wasn’t kidnapped and trapped, she lost her brother, and now her mum and dad because of John. So much trauma for such a young person. Thankfully she’s a fictional character 😅 but still.
@livingcorpse5664 3 роки тому
If someone else was Jigsaw, John would wake up in a trap for taking away the last of that girl's immediate family. That's how broken his mind is, he can't see that he's just as bad if not worse than some of the criminals he tests, and some of his subjects aren't even criminals, just people with personal flaws.
@DrsJacksonn 3 роки тому
@@livingcorpse5664 Jigsaw's just a badly written character coming from a premise that could have been interesting and played by a very good actor.
@livingcorpse5664 3 роки тому
@@DrsJacksonn Nah he's just crazy.
@reallysupercold 3 роки тому
Having someone saw your damn skull open in a janky ass "operating room" wasn't convincing enough that he's definitely out of his mind? 😆
@FrostiKing 3 роки тому
I dunno, the loss of her brother was sad but shattered her family and left her with no one. Her mother was out all the time to get away and cheat on her husband to not remember, and her father was locked in his room neglecting and yelling at her. While the kidnapping sucked I think she is better off, least this way she would be with a foster family or immediate family who cares about her feelings and well being.
@little1942 Рік тому
There’s a major flaw in john’s logic. John theorizes that putting people in deadly situations to force them to survive a deadly trap that, through mostly through self harm (or killing another as in the case of the dr and Amanda), will give his victims the “will to live” and rehabilitate them, therefore give them a new appreciation for life. Just as it did for him. John’s logic is flawed because his premise is wrong. John was suicidal and trying to kill himself. He survived through dumb luck, then had to REMOVE the stick before crawling to safety. Most of his victims do not survive for the mere fact that NONE of his victims were trying to kill themselves to begin with. Many of them were given only a few minutes to assess the situation while still suffering from the affects of being drugged. For someone who seemed to pride himself of his own intelligence and understanding of human behavior, he failed to account for the fact that the trauma of being abducted, drugged and placed in a deadly situation, would most certainly cause people to react poorly, thereby causing them to fail their “test”. John only had to pull a stick out of his chest after a crash HE caused trying to kill himself. He set deadly traps to kill people in the most horrific way possible if they couldn’t access the situation and mutilate either themselves or kill another to survive. Basically, he wasn’t looking to instill the will to survive. He was testing for the same sociopathy in others that he himself had. His so-called “code of honor” was the justification he needed to punish, I mean help the people who wronged him in life.
@susiehaltmann3342 8 місяців тому
John is one of my favorite characters ever. He’s such an interesting character to learn about, has an amazing voice that’s deep and asmr-esque, the incredible performances of Tobin Bell, his psychology, and his downright depressing origin
@Xehanort10 3 роки тому
Originally there was going to be a scene in Saw III when Jigsaw broke down and started crying realising his tests hadn't helped anyone and that he'd be remembered as nothing but what he didn't think he was, a murderer.
@GIGEM1836 3 роки тому
Wow I've never heard that where did you find that.
@surgecentral05 3 роки тому
Proof?
@GIGEM1836 3 роки тому
@@surgecentral05 that's what I was thinking
@surgecentral05 3 роки тому
@@GIGEM1836 It might be bullshit. I tried looking stuff about it it up but I can't find anything
@GIGEM1836 3 роки тому
@@surgecentral05 same I've been looking havent found anything.
@roblosonic505 3 роки тому
“IvE nEvEr MuRdErEd AnYoNe AnD i DeSpIsE mUrDeReRs” -John Kramer
@gamerstheater1187 3 роки тому
Lol
@thrifty7774 3 роки тому
Hes a hypocrite
@gamerstheater1187 3 роки тому
@@thrifty7774 gumball!
@thrifty7774 3 роки тому
@@gamerstheater1187 whats up
@444._lovergrl 3 роки тому
@@thrifty7774 Gumball- what are you doing here...
@osirisatot19 7 місяців тому
John "Never make it personal." also John "I'm going to put everyone I've ever met in a trap of some kind."
@juliaba8058 Рік тому
Thank you for putting so much time and effort into this video, it was very insightful. The Saw franchise has fascinated me because of James Wan's (admittedly veeery twisted) creativity for one but also and mostly because of the Jigsaw character. I failed to find any other video that was so dedicated to put together all the missing puzzle pieces of his story and psychopathology with that much detail and information from different sources. It's like Dr. Gordon says: "To overcome something, you have to understand what a perfect engine it is. That's how you fight disease." (obviously perfect not actually meaning perfect but you get the gist of it).
@eurecAswifties 2 роки тому
Among all of John's test subjects, I always feel the most sorry for Jeff. First losing his son, then his wife in front of his eyes, and lastly knowing he's losing his daughter too :( I kinda hope he eventually escaped from that room using that secret passage hoffman went :(
@bigswaggy298 2 роки тому
Hoffman rescued his daughter, and Jeff would have been able to leave whenever they got to John's body
@kipislekker5829 2 роки тому
Didn’t he get shot? Idk for sure but I think it was that someone shot him because they thought slow-ass motherfucking Jeff was a jigsaw apprentice
@danielle8379 2 роки тому
Jeff died. He was killed by Peter Strahm I think. It’s either saw 5 or 6 i think
@eddieolshefski6467 2 роки тому
@@danielle8379 Actually, it was 4. Cause Saw 3 and 4 happened at the same time.
@eddieolshefski6467 2 роки тому
@@bigswaggy298 The problem with Jeff is that he was filled with grief and vengeance. That’s what got him killed. He never learned from his experience being tested by Jigsaw. He was supposed to learn forgiveness from those involved in the loss of his son and forgive Jigsaw for putting him and his wife through the games. But he never did. Thus cost him his wife’s life, never seeing his daughter again and his own life.
@MovieFlame 3 роки тому
I think this is your best video. Great job man!
@nikolastriantafyllou6126 3 роки тому
Hello movieflame
@Dama-lc7gj 3 роки тому
Woah I didn’t expect to see my one of my favorite Harry Potter channels here
@ATemplarIGuess 3 роки тому
@@Dama-lc7gj not just harry potter, but the mcu, and percey jackson too
@maymay5600 3 роки тому
yo what up, i need to watch back some of your videos, i hadn't seen any harry potter videos from?
@Dama-lc7gj 3 роки тому
@@ATemplarIGuess oh yeah I meant those to it’s just that Harry Potter comes to my mind since it’s what introduced me to him
@ouwebrood497 8 місяців тому
Wow, this is so well thought through. I really admire how you fit all the pieces together from the Saw franchise to come to a canonical overview. Lots of things fall in place. I'm very curious though how this will age once the next Swa movie comes out.
@emilykeepsmiling9465 Рік тому
This video is fantastic, thank you so much for making it. The sheer level of detail you went into was astounding and yet despite the hundreds of characters and plot threads, you made it easy to follow. Although there was 1 tiny detail I wasn't so clear on and that was Zepp's involvement. He kind of popped up from nowhere then disappeared again. Could someone please provide a little clarity on this for me? Your dedication to making this video is truly admirable. Thank you so much for putting in such time, effort, skill and passion ❤️
@charlesallen246 2 роки тому
The Saw movies are almost unwatchable for me but I’ve always had a keen interest in Jigsaw and his backstory. Thanks dude!
@bravebeard6225 2 роки тому
Cool story bro
@shookbitch123 2 роки тому
What? Saw movies are so good wtf
@DivaDaveD 2 роки тому
@@shookbitch123 wtf
@zalvian22 2 роки тому
Same, gorey horror isnt something I enjoy, but psychological horror always fascinates me
@mrcow9012 2 роки тому
@@shookbitch123 He probably means its unwatchable as its to gory for him. Not it isnt good.
@philingrouille7198 3 роки тому
John Kramer's victims went from people who didn't appreciate their lives to just people who were complete douchebags. Unless, in Jigsaw's mind, you only appreciate life if you're a completely good, honest person.
@GendoRokabundi 2 роки тому
his stated rules and his actual rules were never in sync. He mostly started with people from the clinic, because he knew them, felt wronged by them, and felt that his wife 'failed' in reforming them. As he continued on, he needed to look for more subjects, and started to include other people he encountered that irritated him. His original stated goal of reforming people that didn't seem to have the will to live quickly turned to righteous judgement of people and society. His games with multiple people definitely involved more than just "do what you can to survive" and instead was about seeing if people could work together, forgive, etc. He definitely evolved over time, both in order to escalate, and to justify the escalation to himself, as well as justifying broadening his scope to include police that were after him, etc.
@DarkDreamsAndMoonlitNights 2 роки тому
You burned his grilled cheese? Welcome to a trap!
@bobbyhershey3782 2 роки тому
I forget which movie but weren’t one of his victims someone who loved their job too much so I don’t think anyone is safe
@mikethehunter5212 2 роки тому
Obviously I don't condone his actions, but I can't help but agree with his premise that suffering leads to enlightenment. I had a stroke at a young age which was caused by a medical mistake. I went through a period of depression and trauma but eventually came out of it and learned to appreciate life. Now I study psychology and philosophy, which I suppose in turn led me to videos like this.
@danyraya 2 роки тому
@@mikethehunter5212 u honestly dope 4 that lmao
@ashleighstratmann7783 10 місяців тому
I saw that episode where Spongebob told Gary to go calling him a stupid animal not realizing (as he was covering his eyes) Gary was gone and Patrick had showed up and was standing right there as he said that. Honestly, Patrick took that better than Amanda took John's hallucinations, him helping Lynn, and him telling her she wasn't needed at the time.
@ashleighstratmann7783 9 місяців тому
It’s still funny somewhat because in SpongeBob’s case he wasn’t aware he just said that to Patrick. And I seen other episodes where Patrick been upset or angry about something and he actually took SpongeBob saying all that rather well in general
@andredunbar3773 8 місяців тому
He was saying those things to the seahorse he had been keeping, Mystery, not Gary the snail.
@jaxystarr7108 8 місяців тому
@@andredunbar3773he would never say such a thing to Gary.. 🙌
@andredunbar3773 8 місяців тому
@@jaxystarr7108 Exactly
@VixenIt Рік тому
This is easily one of my favorite videos on this awesome channel.
@KingScorpius34 3 роки тому
My headcanon on why John didn't shock Adam to check if he's dead is because he decided that Adam already failed his test by trying to fool him. That's also why he left Adam to die even if he had no chance of escaping because the key got sucked throught the drain.
@ot7biasedmashups 3 роки тому
Wait that makes so much sense. Especially since he just thinks his opinion is right
@livingcorpse5664 3 роки тому
If Adam had cut off his own foot John might have changed his mind. But, most people just could not do that, it's amazing Dr. Gordan did.
@KingScorpius34 3 роки тому
Exactly. Maybe both of them tried to fool him but Gordon at least cut of his own foot while Adam did nothing. If you think about it, Adam didn't need key. John propably created this game with many ways for two of them to escape as well as many ways for them to fail. What we see in the movie is just one of the possibilities. Gordon was able to escape, Adam maybe didn't had a key but still had a chance to escape.
@DjDiamstatOfficial Рік тому
I wonder if his brain tumor, severe edema, and intracranial pressure could have triggered his psychopathy as well as his psychological/emotional trauma. It was found very late in the game and his brain was living with prolonged oxygen deprivation which is why he needed the surgery on his skull to release the intracranial pressure. I wonder if things would have been different for him if it had been caught early on.
@filho4437 Рік тому
Who says this kind of stuff... He's a movie character, he does whatever the film makers think would make a better movie.
@deadseven3474 Рік тому
@@filho4437 A lot of people say this stuff, its literally an entire genre of videos on youtube that gets millions of views. Quit being a jackass.
@cindyrobertson3780 Рік тому
What happened to him?
@michaelbreen7865 Рік тому
@@cindyrobertson3780 Life handed him a 7-Duece off-suit and had Aces on the Flop, a King on the turn, and another King on the river.
@kelsssy Рік тому
you might be on to something actually.
@ThornGroves 6 місяців тому
I love John Kramer. He's one of my favourite horror movie villains. And I love that you mentioned Light Yagami because I love Death Note, and I too noticed similarities between John and Light
@abbysworld05 Рік тому
Something else that makes him different from other villains is that villains like chucky knows what he’s doing is wrong but doesn’t care and loves doing it but John thinks he’s helping the world when he’s not,even the people that he thinks he helped still didn’t help them cuz Amanda just wanted to torture and kill people with unescapable traps even tho the trap that John put her in for her first trap was one of the most escapable traps that he made, but Amanda didn’t give others that same kind of trap and made it riged, and even the other people who he helped became worse on the part of torturing people,some of John’s victims didn’t work with Jigsaw but just were given trauma from it instead of also working with Jigsaw
@LegionIvory 2 роки тому
In case anyone was wondering, the final piece Jigsaw was missing was the ability to let go of the past, in particular, his son's death. Had he let go of Gideon, he would have become a better person, but that one missing piece ironically created the other eight.
@dashigriffins5310 2 роки тому
I also find it ironic that he tested Jeff to make him get over losing his son because of the drunk driver when John himself couldn't get over losing his own son and killed Cecil for it
@psychokiller5959 2 роки тому
@@dashigriffins5310 in a way he's like Max Payne they both can't let go of the past
@pantheraatrox4653 2 роки тому
@@dashigriffins5310 No, he didn't kill Cecil for it. He was letting him go once that chair broke free, Cecil made the stupid decision of running straight for him but ended up falling in his backup plan
@donjezza10 2 роки тому
Personally, I think the final piece was Hypocrisy. Jigsaw was building this jigsaw puzzle for himself and had almost finished it, representing how he hoped his actions would amount to something. But with the puzzle almost finished, I think he realized both what the final piece was and what the final picture would be, which was him as he truly was. So he refused to put in the final piece, leaving him stranded in a game he was too cowardly to win.
@thegirlofmanyfandoms99 Рік тому
Ooh shit fam that's deep
@katrienaluna2591 2 роки тому
Right after you said, "If you do get a mattress ad after this, I swear it's purely coincidence," I got a mattress advertisement.
@amandatidey5751 2 роки тому
I freaked out when it came on, and then I realized it was a part of the video..I'm quite gullible lol
@toyanthaog5109 2 роки тому
😹😹😹i thought it was real
@654Crossman 2 роки тому
@@amandatidey5751 now I feel stupid.lol
@gamerzorbitz 2 роки тому
same here
@shatterednova_ 2 роки тому
I was a lot more confused since I had an adblocker
@Jd19808 5 місяців тому
I absolutely LOVE this channel! The way you get into every nook and cranny with details along with the your comedic timing is appreciated! Especially for me that loves horror films Saw being on my top 5 favorite movies
@thisismerying111 8 місяців тому
I’m two years late but you should’ve mentioned that John met Addison Corday in his car the day that his son died, I think that he saw her as part of distracting him that night and I think that plays a huge role in why he picked her for her own trap in saw II, evidently also playing a part in the timeline and his way of thinking
@lolohiyo9229 2 роки тому
*gets an f on a math test* Teacher: you have to do more assignm- Me: EVERYBODY DESERVES A CHANCE.
@salamipiranha3249 2 роки тому
why is this so funny
@aidenpommee766 2 роки тому
Nice coconut pfp
@Venemofthe888 3 роки тому
I think its interesting that John Kramer was the last main character covered in saw. Like you see all the other characters covered and their history with John without talking about him to much. Now he's got his own part and its over a hour long
@regiman222 3 роки тому
As they say, you save the best for last.
@Ducklesswonder Рік тому
Just discovered this channel after binge watching the saw movies for halloween month. Subbed to stay. Can’t wait to watch the other videos you’ve done! Keep it up!
@adler8650 Рік тому
This vas WESOME. Not only the quality but the atention to details. jokes-in, production and stuff., audio... Great job man
@IronInfinity16 3 роки тому
You should do the complete history of Charles Lee Ray and Tiffany
@thrifty7774 3 роки тому
Yes that would be good
@MissHMSilk 3 роки тому
... 😎 *I* 👏🏻 *LOVE* 👏🏻 *THIS* 👏🏻💥
@persephonevsbane8323 3 роки тому
Yeeeeeees 🙌🏾 please
@gracehaven5459 3 роки тому
I first saw those movies when I was in high school and I was scarred at the time 🤣🤣🤣 mostly by the weird stuff than the scary stuff
@xXJunieXx 3 роки тому
*Karen didn’t put kidz bop on in the car for little Jimmy* Jigsaw:so you’ve chosen death
@evanschulze7941 3 роки тому
Little Jimmy gotta have his music
@Drawingodds 2 роки тому
The thought of Jigsaw vs a Karen.. who would win?…
@zhubacca 2 роки тому
Shitty unoriginal memepost
@evanschulze7941 2 роки тому
@@zhubacca Dude. It's just a comment. At least its not the type thats like "He's the type of guy that would (insert here)."
@xXJunieXx 2 роки тому
@@zhubaccagonna need to slow your damn roll there You comedy expert if you you think it’s shit then make a comment that can get more likes than me 🖕🏻🖕🏻🖕🏻
@whatifgaming1661 Рік тому
Brilliant breakdown, you really didnt miss anything. And im glad you gave your thoughts along the way rather then just simply recounting the story. Id love for the next iteration of Jigsaw to try and learn from Johns mistakes and at least try to be more consistent in their principles (not to say that was a flaw in Johns character writing, they executed the idea well)
@loverlyqueerbunny Рік тому
Gideon wasn't lost in a miscarriage, after 20 weeks it is called a stillbirth and it is fairly common to bury babies who are stillborn. My mother lost a baby before me, my stillborn sister was buried and had a funeral.
@MsDarra 3 роки тому
I’m so glad you continued to reiterate that John is a psycho. 😂
@JdawgTheBoss 3 роки тому
@F Off yeah, definitely can't become a psychopath it's a brain difference, can't even become a sociopath or get ASPD from severe trauma if your brain has matured fully. Which John was way above 30.
@cpenner7086 3 роки тому
Why? Was john ever shown to be BORN this way? No he was not. He is a sociopath not a psychopath. Sociopaths can be recovered psychopaths can not
@cpenner7086 3 роки тому
@@JdawgTheBoss actually you most defintely can become a sociopath. It is physical
@JdawgTheBoss 3 роки тому
@@cpenner7086 You really can't become a sociopath unless you were traumatised below the age of at least 5 or all the way up to 10 ish. That's why conduct disorder exists, most sociopaths get diagnosed with CD then in adult years sociopathy if their behaviour continues. You can't become a sociopath and lack empathy once your brain has fully matured, it's literally impossible dude. The most what could happen is Jigsaw is a normal human, traumatised by what happened, and he's angry and wants revenge on people.. Heaps of neurotypicals murder people.
@cpenner7086 2 роки тому
@@JdawgTheBoss I'm sorry but you are LITRRALLY contradicting yourself. You say you cant become a sociopath once your brain is fully developed (which is bullshit) because you then say in the same thing that trauma and over extreme mental conditions can cause you to be a sociopath.
@marinaspitz6501 3 роки тому
John would look at my bipolar disorder and be like “yep a trap will fix that”
@someone-lc6se 2 роки тому
Maybe 😂
@rocketbaboon2003 2 роки тому
It would
@marwan4358 2 роки тому
It would work like a charm
@dercoffee2825 2 роки тому
@@marwan4358 How? Replacing disorder with Trauma?
@NOTDeezy. 2 роки тому
Yall goddamn ableist in the replies
@Sawkon-deez Рік тому
OMG I’m so glad I found this now I know about the saw franchise without being scared to death bravo to CVS world for making this and his makeup is so human and creepy at the same time
@523Kimber 3 місяці тому
I love the Saw movies. I always see something new I missed.
@amberraybon1838 2 роки тому
I love that he was all "sure I'll do the makeup but I'm not losing the beard." Like "no, the beard stays, work around it Shannon. Shannon, I said work around it"
@michaelmyers4943 2 роки тому
Only way to let people know he’s not 14 lol
@randomguy1033 3 роки тому
My man Looking Cleaner then usual
@CZsWorld 3 роки тому
If that's what you want to call clean 😆
@thedude8457 3 роки тому
@@CZsWorld have you seen Spiral From the Book of Saw?
@loreniabailon3520 3 роки тому
@@thedude8457 omg i was gunna ask that, watched it last night so I want to see how this channel and the how to beat channel will say about this
@randomguy1033 3 роки тому
@@CZsWorld Czsworld new jigsaw confirmed?!
@TheGamer2kplays 3 роки тому
@@CZsWorld great makeup and clothing work costume of billy the puppet that's awsome
@jasonaugustine3370 3 місяці тому
If John was so wealthy, I always wondered why he didn’t just pay for treatment himself
@thatonefangirl4395 Рік тому
I think the best part is with CZ just laughing with that Cocoa Puffs joke It made me laugh so hard 😂
@JoeMama-kj7bq 3 роки тому
Damn, your face painted like Jigsaw is scarier than every horror movie combined..
@CZsWorld 3 роки тому
Like Billy the Puppet anyway, I don't think I'd need paint to be the color of Jigsaw.
@thedude8457 3 роки тому
@@CZsWorld what’s your favorite Saw movie?
@remc0s 3 роки тому
@@CZsWorld Exactly. Even after all these years it still annoys me that supposed fans don't know the difference between Jigsaw and Billy.
@JoeMama-kj7bq 3 роки тому
@@remc0s I don't really count myself as a fan since I've only seen like two of the movies, which is why I don't know the difference. Though, I still think it's interesting.
@fd3 3 роки тому
This is like when people refer to Jigsaw as “Saw” ........ 😐😐🙄🙄🙄😑😑😑
@roquendroll 3 роки тому
1 hour CZsWorld on Saw... This is great!
@CZsWorld 3 роки тому
Enjoy!
@Seeker_Blade 3 роки тому
It really is!
@SommerNicole22 Рік тому
I can’t explain to you how much I love your videos and appreciate your work and dedication! ❤
@madasmaxo8396 Рік тому
i cant stop rewatching this video
@0TheJigsawKiller0 2 роки тому
lmfao the fact that he punished a father for mourning the loss of his son, or an alcoholic for cutting, or some poor old guy who just wants to end it all. idk why that's so funny to me
@amuroray9115 2 роки тому
It’s funny because you realize that John’s a bullshitter. lol. He should test actual criminals
@jaeminthecreator2877 2 роки тому
he kinda deviated from his main idea
@tommyortega7796 2 роки тому
@@jaeminthecreator2877 kinda
@kipislekker5829 2 роки тому
Not defending my boy John but Jeff kinda neglected his daughter tho
@kipislekker5829 2 роки тому
@virtu hi
@187mrsmith 3 роки тому
Can we all take a minute to appreciate how good his costume is That Definitely took some hard work and dedication
@jkhtravelrn 3 роки тому
Fir sure!
@Artemis_666 3 роки тому
I love the eyes the most
@TheLexiconDevils 3 роки тому
Looks gay
@Artemis_666 3 роки тому
@@TheLexiconDevils bruh what
@byerage 9 місяців тому
I loved the Saw movies as a kid, but what I love more is you making all these jokes throughout the video. And The Rack was always my favorite trap, since I was little. These were my favorite movies when I was a kid.
@poison-LICKTHEPOISON 8 місяців тому
How were you not traumatized
@byerage 8 місяців тому
my parents and home life were more traumatizing than any scary movie could be @@poison-LICKTHEPOISON
@rolandocastro9425 3 роки тому
Holy shit dude this is over 1 hour damn I really appreciate the hard work
@cutieetae3351 3 роки тому
I can't imagine all the editing down and adding effects. This probably takes FOREVER.
@CZsWorld 3 роки тому
It took a while.
@rolandocastro9425 3 роки тому
@@CZsWorld more than 2 weeks?
@BowserMilk 3 роки тому
The commercial half way through made me scream laughing
@lazywriting7044 3 роки тому
Why
@TheBee1470 3 роки тому
It was glorious
@BUBBLEGUMBABE333 Рік тому
You can’t tell me I’m wrong when I say that watching a horror movie with friends instantly becomes a comedy! I’ll wait… This dude right here would be so much fun to watch horror movies with. 😂 I loved this. From beginning to end. No notes. 💋 👌🏽
@whosurmama5920 Рік тому
Me - hides from car extended warranty Jigsaw : i wanna play a game
@Fleur__Delacour 2 роки тому
Imagine how much money Kramer has spent at Home Depot just to set up these elaborate traps
@MickeyMallone. 2 роки тому
"Back again, Mr. Kramer?" "Yeah, I need a new drill. The last one was a headache to use."
@raven7146 2 роки тому
@@MickeyMallone. I see what you did there (if I’m right)
@pimpcesslexii4011 2 роки тому
@@raven7146 you’re right lol
@thepubknight6144 2 роки тому
@@MickeyMallone. 7:39 love how indifferent John is when he said that lol
@adhirg Рік тому
also think about how much Jigsaw spent at his local Radio Shack, all those cassette players and analogue devices lol!
@LetsReadPodcast 3 роки тому
Great breakdown! Loved every minute
@CZsWorld 3 роки тому
Thanks Let's Read!
@yungc9050 3 роки тому
Fo sho mane
@JoeMama-kj7bq 3 роки тому
Well, I loved every second.
@savagething9409 3 роки тому
Woah 2 of my youtubers in the same place I'm shook 🤣
@supdaley 3 роки тому
Omgggg Let’s Read I’m a fan!!!
@Kevin._.Sanchez Рік тому
Amazing video.. As always, but the one thing that gave me wild nostalgia was seeing the clip of Fluffeetalks. I had completely forgotten about that guy
@GabeR115 3 роки тому
Possible explanation for why John doesn’t shock Adam after the gunshot: John doesnt care if Adam dies or not, he’s testing the willingness of Gordon to kill Adam to save his family. Because Gordon demonstrated he WILL kill Adam to win his game, whether or not Adam survives the gun shot is unimportant
@amiralbezea2016 3 роки тому
What was the win condition for Adam? Sorry for asking that but IT was a while since i saw the movie , maybe in eyes of John he won or Bcs Gordon won cuz he " killed "Adam And the electro shock was not anymore an option
@RedScatta 2 роки тому
@@amiralbezea2016 His way to win was to watch how he dies or that he tries to do something against it:)
@GabeR115 2 роки тому
@@amiralbezea2016 Exactly what the other person said, his game was just to survive
@shaniatingman2083 2 роки тому
yes, we saw the movie
@szymciupol 3 роки тому
That Dead Meat blink-and-you-miss-it shout out had me rolling
@santosgonzalez3443 3 роки тому
When is that I'm dumb
@kazen2718 3 роки тому
@@santosgonzalez3443 it think I saw in a previous comment that it was somewhere around 50:00 ?
@jbbeats7786 Рік тому
29:29 out of all the Saw movies, watching this live made it feel the most eerie
@Whiteshell204 Рік тому
*LOL.....I literally just had a Saw-A-Thon at the cabin and watched all of them in 1 day...this vid will do nicely!* *I remember downloading the first 1st Saw from iRC not even knowing what it was about...its one of those movies that you will always remember because the writing/story was so well done....which we don't see these days*
@Xehanort10 2 роки тому
55:54 Amanda actually made unwinnable traps because she realised John's tests had made her worse rather than reforming her. The trauma caused her to self harm, her guilt for the suffering of their victims not only led her to suffocate Adam so he wouldn't die slowly in the bathroom but she saw her traps as mercy killings and that the people in them were better off dead than fucked up for life like her.
@Mrdestiny17 Рік тому
I wouldn't call having metal hooked into all your ribs before forcefully ripping them out after being forced to grab a key in a vat of acid in a pointless act in the hopes you might be able to free yourself a "mercy killing" I think it was because she failed to change, which is why she is tested by Jigsaw a second time, so she is taking her anger and guilt out on others because if they survive and change their ways, she wouldn't be John's perfect test subject.
@MisogynyMan Рік тому
Achually don't state your fanfiction as fact
@josepharcher9620 Рік тому
I agree. There was one horrific trap where the victim only had 60 seconds. I believe it was the key in the acid trap. Not sure though but the player was female.
@josepharcher9620 Рік тому
No, it was the chest ripper.
@homurakasaino29 Рік тому
@@scottishsheperd *Angel Death Trap
@obamagaming6442 2 роки тому
Even as someone who is not a fan of the movies because I'm sensitive to torture and gore, this was really interesting
@chronological_or_alphabetical 2 роки тому
hello mr. obama
@dommyyandfriendss 2 роки тому
Facts
@paxtongerhart6863 2 роки тому
Same!
@Liamthewaldo 2 роки тому
@@paxtongerhart6863 grow up
@Liamthewaldo 2 роки тому
It's not even real how can you be sensitive what a wimp 😂🤣
@kalebyoy7825 Рік тому
39:10 I seriously thought that was an ad😂😂
@misticadavis Рік тому
Isn't Saw based off of the real life serial killer H. H. Holmes? He built a murder castle with traps.
@DarthFurie Рік тому
... murder castle? Wtf. Some people are sick beyond help!
@misticadavis Рік тому
@DarthFurie In the 1800's there was a serial killer named H.H Holmes. He went to medical school just so he could learn how to dissect living and dead people because he wanted to kill people so he became a doctor. He pulled scams all over the place until he could afford a whole building he turned into a hotel for the World's Fair. During its construction he would hire people to build a part and then kill them so they couldn't tell anyone the design of the hotel.Inside the hotel was sealed off rooms, rooms he could pump chloroform into the room and knock the person out. He put their body down a chute to a basement where he would torture the person. Hostel style and then kill them and skin and sell their skeletons to medical teaching hospitals. He was also a grave robber. He was captured and was hanged. He insisted his body be put under 10 feet of cement so a grave robber couldn't desecrate his grave. Yet he robbed graves. His "murder castle" as its called is now a post office. His great great grandson believes he is Jack the Ripper. He was in England at the time. But I keep thinking Saw was based off of H.H Holmes. He built a hotel to capture and torture someone and sell their skeleton to medical teaching schools if he didn't burn the bodies in the glass blowing factory. H.H is a psycho. The best show that told about H.H is Haunted History. He was a ponzi schemer before it became known. He got a man and his wife to give him their kids. The man was his "assistant". H.H murdered the kids. They found the little boys body stuffed up a houses chimney. I can't remember if they ever found the 2 daughter's bodies. But they found the kids letters on H.H. not sent to the mother. He conned his assistant into pretending to be dead and they would get a dead body to replace the assistant in an insurance scam but H.H murdered the guy.
@viylangager4020 Рік тому
Holmes got many people at the world's fair. Completely insane the things he did. Made Bundy, Gacy and Dahmer look tame in comparison.
@misticadavis Рік тому
@viylangager4020 Exactly. They think it can be in the 200's his body count. He opened the murder castle just in time for the World's Fair. Who knows how many he tricked into staying and killing from that alone on top of his ponzi schemes he ran and the grave robbing. In a sealed off room that looked like a safe they found the footprint of one of his victims. A woman. He suffocated her in that room before taking her to either the basement to be tortured Hostel style before being killed and dissected and her skeleton sold to the medical hospital he trained at or put in the furnace of the glass blowing building nearby. He went to medical school to learn to be a doctor so he could be a better killer and dissect people more efficiently on top of giving them skeletons from either a dead person he dug up or killed. Those killers you mentioned look like angels compared to Holmes.
@user-nt5pl3zn4u 3 роки тому
You can talk over an hour about how deep just one character is in this franchise and what his motivations are and yet people still call Saw a "dumb torture-porn".
@justawarlord 3 роки тому
. . . . you can do that with most things
@etherealguy8161 2 роки тому
I actually rewatched the whole franchise and honestly It's pretty confusing if you can't keep your track in the movie. People call it torture porn because of the traps but they are totally missing the story and the timeline of the events that are really complex but intertwined.
@johnnyjacuzzi7498 2 роки тому
It’s still dumb torture porn, even with a (bad) back story.
@RipsharkTV 2 роки тому
Same people that think they'd easily survive horror movie antagonists like Chuky. Ooh he's a doll, id just kick him.....lol
@LuisGarcia-sp8co 2 роки тому
@@RipsharkTV well thats how a lot of people in the story survived his attacks lol. Not necessarily kicking but something equally as simple like throwing him
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