Dali and Fascism

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Is Salvador Dali a fascist? The relationship between art and fascism is a very heavy, controversial and important question. In this current political climate, is this simply a video from an antifascist UKpostsr trying to grab views? From Dali’s obsession for Hitler to his friendship with fascist dictator Francisco Franco, learn how Dali was dangerously close, and perhaps part of, the European fascist movement of the 20th century.
Umberto Eco’s Ur-Fascism: www.nybooks.com/articles/1995...
NOTES
1. Gibson, Ian. The Shameful Life of Salvador Dali. Faber and Faber Limited, 1997, p. 320-322.
2. Ibid., 323.
3. Ibid., 324.
4. Ibid., 324-325.
5. Ibid., 325.
6. Lauryssens, Stan. Dali & I: The Surreal Story. Thomas Dunne Books, 2008.
7. www.sothebys.com/en/articles/....
8. Gibson, Ian. The Shameful Life of Salvador Dali. Faber and Faber Limited, 1997, p. 376-377.
9. Ibid., 470.
10. Ibid., 367.
11. Orwell, George. Benefit of Clergy: Some Notes on Salvador Dali. (www.orwell.ru/library/reviews...)
12. Gibson, Ian. The Shameful Life of Salvador Dali. Faber and Faber Limited, 1997, p. 362.
13. Salvador Dali in L'Express, June 12, 1975.
14. Gibson, Ian. The Shameful Life of Salvador Dali. Faber and Faber Limited, 1997, p. 395.
15. Ibid., 401.
16. Ibid., 387.
17. Ibid., 494-495.
18. Ibid., 448.
19. Ibid., 498.
20. Ibid., 560-561.
0:00 Introduction
3:35 Dali’s Trial
9:28 Dali and the Spanish Civil War
16:59 Dali and Franco
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@Liboo52
@Liboo52 Рік тому
“[Dali] was purposefully confusing and contradictory.” Great, Dali was an internet troll
@ramppappia
@ramppappia Рік тому
imagine Dalì's Twitter account
@bri1085
@bri1085 Рік тому
@@ramppappia twitter account? comes across like he'd been very active on something like 4chan
@niranjansrinivasan4042
@niranjansrinivasan4042 Рік тому
@@bri1085 lol, exactly
@nebulis6509
@nebulis6509 Рік тому
Real, very archetypal
@ramppappia
@ramppappia Рік тому
@@bri1085 4chan too, but on Twitter you can troll the entire world and end up in the news
@renalazuardi3512
@renalazuardi3512 2 роки тому
"the artist whose art i love is a terrible person" have always been an interesting discussion
@eeneranna9795
@eeneranna9795 Рік тому
This is such a common thing in anything that has even a slight focus on art. I mean, Magic the Gathering has this issue all the time. Teresse Nielson, Seb McKinnon, and Noah Bradley just to name a few.
@froggykekinson4365
@froggykekinson4365 Рік тому
what exactly makes Dali a ''terrible person'' though
@titus4440
@titus4440 Рік тому
@@froggykekinson4365 Well he was racist and xenophobic, for a start
@lunacy5308
@lunacy5308 Рік тому
@@froggykekinson4365 also his moustache is too good
@darnfrick3354
@darnfrick3354 Рік тому
@@froggykekinson4365 When did we as a society stop recognizing prejudiced people as "bad"? Do you realize how dumb your question sounds?
@alicethemad1613
@alicethemad1613 Рік тому
Dali feels like the same kind of person who, in modern day, enjoys such a position of privilege that they feel like they’re unique and separate from politics so they have leeway to use incendiary symbols and violent ideologies flippantly for shock value. Basically, because these didn’t actively threaten him, he could be edgy and just casually associate with these aesthetics for the sake of being “absurd”. But if there’s one thing the internet has taught us, it’s that doing something ironically very quickly leads to doing it unironically, and given that Dali was already not one of the groups fascism was targeting, it was very easy for him to adopt it genuinely.
@nebulis6509
@nebulis6509 Рік тому
Baby first learns about in-group preference lmfao. I hate to break it to you but ideas that can lead to “harm” against others can be correct. Think about who we harm as a democracy, Syrian children? Those are not the people I want the government to be harming. You seem to not understand that people get hurt in every system, you’ve just been lied to about certain things
@neinno8172
@neinno8172 Рік тому
Well said
@maydaymemer4660
@maydaymemer4660 Рік тому
its kind of amazing how you can turn this completely unrelated thing immediately into you complaining about teenagers making memes leading to fascism
@largeshaftzac8027
@largeshaftzac8027 Рік тому
@@maydaymemer4660 it’s a good analogy
@NelsonStJames
@NelsonStJames Рік тому
People believe what they believe, one doesn't have to be in a position of privilege to have a belief, and how people come to believe what they do, is as myriad as there are individuals. Not being able to get into another person's head, no one can presume to know how casually, or deeply anybody feels about the positions they hold. Obviously Dali was trying to express something, because that's what artists do. And while an artist may be provocative, they tend to differ from your typical edgelord in that they aren't doing what they do simply to shock you.
@OneReallyGrumpyJill
@OneReallyGrumpyJill Рік тому
I love how I was 50/50 about it first, and then Dali went, "Yeah, I like, literally hate freedom." My man, that wasn't subtle.
@fromthebackseat4865
@fromthebackseat4865 Рік тому
That wasn’t subtle? That’s basically communism compared to “yeah the white race should enslave everyone else.”
@jjunbeatable9522
@jjunbeatable9522 Рік тому
You were 50/50 when he said he would want to have sex with Hitler????
@derekcarney
@derekcarney Рік тому
You were 50/50 about what- his genius? You are so easily swayed. Weak.
@oliverhand9408
@oliverhand9408 Рік тому
@@derekcarney he was probably thinking about Dali's character when he said that, not his genius.
@126theman
@126theman Рік тому
Definitely hahaha
@TheLily97232
@TheLily97232 Рік тому
As a man that took part in a movement that prones so much freedom that it encouraged unconscious creation, Dalí saying he hates freedom is hilarious. He was obviously lost in the sauce, if not outright so self-absorbed that freedom was only for him but not for others
@Lee-km7qq
@Lee-km7qq Рік тому
Anyone who takes a second to truly understand will begin to hate it. If you haven't, then you aren't thinking hard enough.
@nothingineternityterms
@nothingineternityterms Рік тому
@@Lee-km7qq I doubt you understand much.
@Flozone1
@Flozone1 Рік тому
He and some other Southern European fascists have quite a nostalgia for the aristocracy. They want that aristocratic flair for themselves and see themselves as part of an old nobility. As such they have privileges, while others do not.
@bozhanaslavkova3291
@bozhanaslavkova3291 Рік тому
I think he sees freedom in a philosophical, not political way. The way I interpret it - he sees the dangerous and scary part of freedom, Hitler got the freedom to rule but he used it "mazohisticly". In his paintings Dali uses freedom but he also he also shows how scary it can be. He bends to some rules and abandons others. Freedom is not bad but it can be dangerous (and a lot of times freedom is not what we think, it's fake, that's why "freedom is shit")
@maestroicarodecarvalho3947
@maestroicarodecarvalho3947 Рік тому
@@Flozone1 this remember me of Jorge Luis Borges and his weird relation with the military dictatorship in Argentina
@frien_d
@frien_d Рік тому
I had always wondered how Walt Disney and Dalì could have collaborated as much as they did, after knowing each other for a very short time. This kinda makes sense of that...
@ferrisbueller9991
@ferrisbueller9991 Рік тому
Best buds club
@davidnotonstinnett
@davidnotonstinnett Рік тому
Disney wasn’t a fascist. This was a rumor invented in bad faith by labor negotiators.
@sleepysteev2735
@sleepysteev2735 Рік тому
How?
@kkilljoy3588
@kkilljoy3588 Рік тому
Please elaborate for those of us who don’t know squat and v much want to know all about the squats!
@biodegradablematerial1800
@biodegradablematerial1800 Рік тому
I didn't know that, can you elaborate?
@colspaimmaca
@colspaimmaca Рік тому
Having just a surface level knowledge of Dali and just coming came back from the Dali museum in Florida, this video was extremely enlightening. From the museum I could gather that he was a troubled individual, but having this real historical and political context that the museum lacks is extremely important.
@Blue-wz5um
@Blue-wz5um Рік тому
The image of dali that the museum portrays is 100% intentional. It's difficult to be a local gem and maintain strong community outreach/ k-12 educational programs (i do highly support the museum's educational outreach) when your mascot is a Hitler loving pedophile (i say pedophile due to a specific written work of his called reverie. Look it up with caution, it was very shocking to me when I first read about it)
@colspaimmaca
@colspaimmaca Рік тому
@@Blue-wz5um definitely agree. But holy shit just looked that up. Fucking insane.
@Blue-wz5um
@Blue-wz5um Рік тому
@@colspaimmaca i learned about it from the biography the shameful life of Salvador dali which happens to be the book he cites at the end of this video. It's an excellent book that i would highly recommend. The author of the book occasionally editorializes with dry wit comments on the bat shit facts of dalis life that he recites but even without the author's commentary, the details that he includes speak for themselves about the kind of person dali was
@colspaimmaca
@colspaimmaca Рік тому
@@Blue-wz5um sounds awesome! Will check out if I get the chance. Thanks!:)
@artemis199
@artemis199 Рік тому
The Florida art museum is where I fell in love with his art when I was 12... Definitely glad I watched this video to get a new perspective of him.
@nicholasrevill6610
@nicholasrevill6610 Рік тому
The part between Lorca and Dalí is especially sad once you realize that they used to be very close and some people even considered them lovers at many points
@aelspecto
@aelspecto Рік тому
He admired his friend killer, at this point, Dali may be a big candidate for the most spineless man in history...
@javierviana96
@javierviana96 Рік тому
The miniseries Lorca death of a poet explores this issue
@imarobot8204
@imarobot8204 Рік тому
Dali hated Lorca and Pablo. He hated any artist that wasn't him.
@Tosspoet
@Tosspoet Рік тому
judging by this video he didn't just have sympathies with fascism, he was a fascist.
@gentlemancat3100
@gentlemancat3100 Рік тому
I want to cry now. This ruins my gay fantasies of him.
@Dervitox
@Dervitox Рік тому
@@gentlemancat3100 good
@neilcicieregamybel0ved
@neilcicieregamybel0ved Рік тому
@@gentlemancat3100 you had WHAT
@derekcarney
@derekcarney Рік тому
Yet EVERY thing he made goes completely against "falling in line," tradition, and every other stupid bullet point. He was SOOOOO not a fascist. You all are so misled. So easily misled, you SHEEEEEEEP.
@derekcarney
@derekcarney Рік тому
Which war was he in? Who did he opress? How? What the fuck are you talking about?
@zeeeeroin9981
@zeeeeroin9981 Рік тому
His art is fantastic. Revolutionary and largely imitated to this day.....but in most interviews and articles I have read or seen....he came across like the club kid who tries too hard....seeing his political side has been enlightening indeed....
@etsequentia6765
@etsequentia6765 Рік тому
wtf is a "club kid"? what club?
@zeeeeroin9981
@zeeeeroin9981 Рік тому
@@etsequentia6765 that is a term used for rave goers and night club patrons. A lot of those types in New York and L A are super outlandish and wanna be weirdos.....at least from my experience.
@etsequentia6765
@etsequentia6765 Рік тому
@@zeeeeroin9981 Thank you for answering. But other than some extroverted behavior, I'm not seeing the connection. Guess it works for you. One more thing of note - super outlandish and wannabe weirdos are definitely not unique to club kid culture. Thanks again.
@redadamearth
@redadamearth Рік тому
This is common knowledge among anyone who's read about Dali and not just appreciated his paintings, but it's good to let people know about it who might not. It's one of the examples that's often brought up in the debate over whether a "bad" person's art should still be loved/taught, etc. The most ironic thing, of course, is that most fascist governments would have burned his paintings as subversive.
@legoqueen2445
@legoqueen2445 Рік тому
Love his artwork, strongly dislike him as a person. My impression is of an astute business man who hid behind eccentricity to ride out whatever brought him the most controversy and as such money. Someone in the comments described him as a 'club kid who tries too hard' which I'd say is spot on if you see club kids as ultimately bored with society, acting like court jesters in hope of attaining enough interest in their creations to sustain their lifestyles (a bit cynical I know but things got quite dark in club kid scene).
@derekcarney
@derekcarney Рік тому
As someone who was in NYC and hung out with many of the club kids at that time, you are really not too bright. Dali lived his life completely as performance artt. The club kids were like dollar store versions of wanna be freaky, famous, and talented without the talent and with LOTS of mindbending concoctions in place of the talent. HIS PAINTINGS are masterfully rendered. His work in every way was so far ahead of everything that came before it and among his peers he raised the bar on every level. The man will always be a genius and nothing you sad nothings that have never made anything that anyone in the future will ever make a video about or mention in a book can say about him will change the fact of his genius and the amazing body of work he created. I think you are all jealous. So sad.
@emmasimon4005
@emmasimon4005 Рік тому
​@@derekcarney bro my man was explicitly a fascist, no matter how good his art was
@derekcarney
@derekcarney Рік тому
@@emmasimon4005 What did he DO? WHO did he hurt? What negative impact, result, damages? Otherwise you thought police should kick rocks.
@emmasimon4005
@emmasimon4005 Рік тому
@@derekcarney do you really see no material impact from being a public figure who directly and loudly supports and befriends a fascist dictator? supporting fascism, especially with that much vigor, makes you partially responsible for the horrors of a fascist state.
@legoqueen2445
@legoqueen2445 Рік тому
@@derekcarney as I said, love his artwork, strongly dislike him as a person. I don't think you'd find many who dispute his genius. But what the video documents was Dali's tendency to align himself with fascists and Catholic conservatives even when these agencies were committing crimes against humanity such as what occurred in Spain's civil war. For all his charm and whimsy when interacting with American media (which in turn lead to millions being made by Dali) Dali himself didn't support democracy or freedom for the masses (ie. American values). He valued his own personal freedom and liberty, which is why he kept on the right side of those in power in Spain, but he didn't see those rights as universal. Definitely his artwork was genius, amazing, unique etc. But as a person he was not very likeable. But it's interesting you say Dali lived his whole life as performance art. To me his whole persona of being quirky, saying things to get reactions etc was all done to sell more of himself, ie. make more money. As for the original club kids, I love the who faux celebrity/create your own character playfulness and creativity of the scene. It very much echoes Andy Warhol's Superstars era. It must have been fun to have lived it though I'm guessing you saw a lot of dark stuff too. It's interesting you mentioned people taking drugs to make up for a lack of authentic talent, that makes me wonder how many of the Club Kids doing interviews on day time talk shows were the true creatives and which ones were just trying hard. I'm a boring 90s kids, a lot of grunge, a bit of raves then some New Age festivals and travelling around the world until settling back home in Australia. I love pop culture and wish I had a time machine to go to New York during Studio 54 and the early Ballroom scene plus London in late 70s and Early 80s so I could ponce around as a New Romantic. Would def hit HebeGeBeez around that time to check out Talking Heads. Damn it Derek Carney, I'm not jealous of Dali but am jealous of you if you were part of that whole era!
@jamessnazell3865
@jamessnazell3865 Рік тому
The relationship between Bunuel and Dali is interesting they started out together making films that were anti-bourgeoisie, there to shock the establishment and to also criticize the Conservatism of the Catholic Church. After making 2 films together they drifted apart. In 1940 Dali went to New York and whilst there his fame soared. Bunuel went to New York in 1939 got work with MoMA. It was the only job Bunuel could find in the US who had a wife and two children. One day, the hugely successful Dalí blithely called Buñuel an atheist in an interview and Buñuel was promptly fired from his post. It was from this that Bunuel came never to see or speak to Dalí again. The way these two artists diverged is interesting Bunuel kept the ideals of being anti-bourgeoisie, questioning the establishment and criticizing the Conservatism of the Catholic Church. A faith Bunuel was brought up in. Whereas Dali came to accept Catholicism, the bourgeoisie and importantly a deep rooted conservatism one that accepted eccentrism and connected with the blurred definitions of fascism. Whereas Bunuel had to leave Spain for the US because of his support of the republic. Having worked in various propaganda capacities in Spain and France that made him a political exile to Franco and the Nationalists. Dali escaped Europe coming to New York to start his journey with narcissism cultivating a fame and fortune that earned him the nickname “Avida Dollars.” In his eight years in the States, Dalí designed shop windows for Fifth Avenue, collaborated on set design for ballets, worked on two Hollywood films including for Hitchcock. His developing obsession from his time in the US with celebrity, fame, mass media, the paranoiac, narcissism, the cult of the individual and the ego, all make sense when one starts to relate Dali to ideas and sympathies around fascism. Just as Donald Trump can be seen to connect with all these things and can be seen to connect to ideas and sympathies around fascism. It is interesting the way Bunuel and Dali came to be having opposite sympathies to a political coin.
@adenizenabroad9593
@adenizenabroad9593 Рік тому
Holy fuck, this might come off as spectacle horny but a dali vs bunuel feature film would be pretty based
@scardon1940
@scardon1940 Рік тому
This is the most well written comment in UKposts history
@richardfinlayson1524
@richardfinlayson1524 Рік тому
Very interesting, good on you mate.
@VuotoPneumaNN
@VuotoPneumaNN Рік тому
I seem to remember that Dalì actually outed Bunuel as a communist, not an atheist.
@jamessnazell3865
@jamessnazell3865 Рік тому
@@VuotoPneumaNN 1942 saw the publication of Dali's autobiography The Secret Life of Salvador Dali. In it he mentions that Bunuel was an atheist. When the Catholic Church authorities in New York discovered that he was an atheist, they put pressure on the New York State Department to get him fired. In the end, Bunuel was so disgusted that he resigned and then confronted Dali in a New York bar. In Bunuel's memoirs he says, "I was beside myself with rage. He was a b-----d, I told him... his book had ruined my career... I kept my hands in my pockets so as not to strike him.' I'm not sure how much Bunuel actually confronted Dali in the New York bar but nonetheless this was the last time they shared each other's company. Their friendship had already soured prior to when they were both in New York around the time of the production of the film L’Age D’Or, Dali was involved in the writing of this film but they had a falling out prior to production starting and in reality it is not a Bunuel and Dali film it is more of a Bunuel film. For Dali the drifting apart from Bunuel around the time of this film included a dislike of Bunuel's political views and his leaning towards Communism. For Bunuel L’Age D’Or, was the turning point where he drifted away from the Surrealist movement and more towards the influence of Communist views. This time was also a pivotal time for Dali because it was in 1929 that he first met Gala who came to have a profound influence on him. Gala was a Russian Jew and would have an influence on Dali in terms of influencing his religious viewpoint. Gala being Jewish also played a big part in their decision to leave Europe and go to New York. So this is a long winded reply to say that Dali did state that Bunuel was an atheist but it was also in relation to what Dali would describe as disliking what he saw as Bunuel being a Communist.
@SheilaTheGrate
@SheilaTheGrate Рік тому
I have long known how problematic Dali was, especially after reading his autobiography, The Secret Life of Salvador Dali. I subscribe to "even a broken clock is right twice a day". You can enjoy art made by terrible people as long as you recognize that they are, in fact, terrible people and not to be emulated, and teach how terrible they really were. Even better - find out who were the other surrealists and enjoy their work.
@Stigstigmamatata
@Stigstigmamatata Рік тому
a lot of the surrealists were pretty horrible but dali took the cake for fascism, for instance I like a lot of breton's poetry but recognize his xenophobia and rascism. but yeah the whole cannon of art is a smattering of bad people making things that take the publics breathe away
@richardpowell1772
@richardpowell1772 Рік тому
I like him even more.
@Seeker12x12
@Seeker12x12 Рік тому
Indeed. For example reportage indicates that Picasso was often repellant as a person. By extension of virtue Chè Guevara was a murdering rapist and Marx was an irresponsible neglectful husband and father as well as a fraud who refused to pay the bills he ran up with local artisans and shops. It really isn't fair to put anyone on a pedestal. We all have feet of clay.
@sofia8194
@sofia8194 Рік тому
I don't think the bottom line of the question is the personal enjoyment of an individual's art, but having the tools and capacity to look at it with a critcal point of view, and how it perpetuates or comments on certain topics
@thenowchurch6419
@thenowchurch6419 Рік тому
He was a flawed person, not terrible. Terrible is a bit hyperbolic.
@dogfat.
@dogfat. Рік тому
I really wish there were subtitles for the interview.
@jordanhedington2421
@jordanhedington2421 Рік тому
Great video! Just a side note: The Spanish republicans were not alone during the spanish civil war: they had brigades from many countries known as the international brigades with fighters from France, Italy, Germany, Poland, United States, Ireland, Yugoslavia, United Kingdom, Belgium, Canada, Cuba, and Australia to name just a few
@maximilianolimamoreira5002
@maximilianolimamoreira5002 Рік тому
he is talking about the lack of direct intervention of western countries in the side of the Spanish republican government
@jordanhedington2421
@jordanhedington2421 Рік тому
@@maximilianolimamoreira5002 ah ok that makes sense
@maximilianolimamoreira5002
@maximilianolimamoreira5002 Рік тому
@@jordanhedington2421 there was a kind of neutrality agreement between France and the UK, to avoid direct conflict with Nazi Germany and fascist Italy, so, the volunteers from these two countries, and others to some extent, wanted to punish the volunteers for violating this agreement, though, latter, they learnt that these men and women weren´t wrong for fighting against fascism.
@tomtomtrent
@tomtomtrent Рік тому
@@maximilianolimamoreira5002 in some cases, the governments didn’t even learn that. In the US, a lot of people who supported the republicans were labeled as “premature anti-fascists” and persecuted during the Red Scare
@Melaka_Pill
@Melaka_Pill Місяць тому
@@maximilianolimamoreira5002 and they still lost hahahahahah
@b-r-a-i-n-r-o-t
@b-r-a-i-n-r-o-t Рік тому
yknow i enjoyed the art analysis videos but once you got a guy who lived through francoist spain to say "there are fascists operating within the federal government of the united states" i knew you were dope and had to sub. thank you for the analysis
@gustavderkits8433
@gustavderkits8433 2 роки тому
Thank you. This presentation was not enjoyable, bu was edifying. You made your case. I am sadder for that knowledge. I was always aware of Dali as a catholic iconographer (strict sense), but loved his application of psychology and perception science to his art. He was a great technician. No artist can participate in a movement to elevate barbarism against the many for the purposes of an elite few and not diminish his humanity. There is a constant tendency of critics to divorce the object from its creator. That is as wrong for paining as it is for dance.
@desanctisapostata
@desanctisapostata Рік тому
Why is it wrong tho? Ethics and aesthetics are (although closely related and interwoven to each other) after all diferent things, and in strict sense, they are even opposites.
@desanctisapostata
@desanctisapostata Рік тому
@Anonymous D?NGO exactly!!! Moral has always and will always remain relative to space and time.
@ouroboser
@ouroboser Рік тому
@Anonymous D?NGO It is impossible to separate art from the artist. The artist created the work to share their worldview and beliefs. As a musician, even my most apolitical works are deeply affected by by politics and experience just as much, if not more so, than my contemporary influences. However, we still don’t throw out work from 100+ years ago because the generation who was alive and curated that generation’s artwork already sifted through much of that. Furthermore, we should not destroy fascist art, as that makes us no better than fascists, nor should we destroy any art from any time period that moves counter to the culture or movement, but it is eternally important to discuss their contexts, creators, and motives for the sake of education and freeing the minds of all observers to come to their own conclusions.
@bludsacrifiseparty
@bludsacrifiseparty Рік тому
​@@ouroboser if you want to treat the concept of separating art from the artist like that it is such an unuseful phrase. people use it all the time because they enjoy music but denounce whoever created it. saying "um ackshually you cant but thats fine" is such a weird noncognitive, pseudo high ground to try to take. the phrase is incapable of being literal, and is solely used to communicate the idea of "i dont support this person, i just enjoy their art". that is literally all there is to it. no need to act like its deeper also what the fuck do you mean by "the artist created the work to share their worldview and beliefs"? are you really convinced that no one makes art for the sake of art, whether it be beauty or for the fun of creation? and the person you are responding to never even claimed to want to destroy fascistic art, you are literally restating their point in the second half of your comment, they dont want to destroy art no matter how controversial or outdated. you are fucking fascinating. i really hope all you said was coming from your egos desire for people to agree with your empty "smart-sounding" blabber and not you attempting to think critically or logically, because that would be an embarrassing attempt at any sort of unique intellect
@nebulis6509
@nebulis6509 Рік тому
@Anonymous D?NGO real, most people today have no historical literacy so they think that the things they feel and think are normal, when in reality we are a unique couple of generations and if you go back, not even 100 years, if you go back before a certain large event where many people supposedly died then you’ll find people think a little differently than you
@magpie405
@magpie405 Рік тому
i have to say your pronunciation of "Miró", "Lorca" and "arriba" with a french r is pretty funny as a catalan and spanish speaker. not that it detracts from how good this video is at all!
@adriavalls2402
@adriavalls2402 Рік тому
Good video! Also, it was funny how you pronounced all the spanish and catalan names in a french accent.
@lilschleem1640
@lilschleem1640 Рік тому
i was thinking this exact thing
@screaminglemon3642
@screaminglemon3642 Рік тому
kinda annoying tbqh
@joaquinbaume1291
@joaquinbaume1291 Рік тому
yeah i was so confused lol
@donlasagnotelamangia
@donlasagnotelamangia Рік тому
He didn't pronounce Eco's name correctly though :(
@ELLHNIKA
@ELLHNIKA Рік тому
The “surrealists” should’ve let Dali’s art remain the way he originally wanted, so there will be no vagueness of what his ideals were to future generations.
@sourgreendolly7685
@sourgreendolly7685 Рік тому
Why should other artists drawn to the style hold back just to show his ideals? Why is having this conversation (as with this video) not enough? Genuinely asking.
@Blue-wz5um
@Blue-wz5um Рік тому
Dalis association and connection with the surrealist party meant that his work would stand to an extent as a reflection of the surrealists beliefs as a whole. I would guess they made him change it as a compromise instead of kicking him out of their group entirely. The surrealists tried multiple times to cut ties with dali, as explained in this video, but each time he would just barely explain himself away. Dali and the surrealists both benefitted from each other. I assume it was the best course of action at the time to simply have dali remove nazi iconography from his painting. When it got to the point where they could no longer deny dalis fascist sympathies the surrealists did cut their ties with him. And I dont believe they ever tried to hide or obfuscate the fact of his fascist/hitlerian sympathies. Tldr; dalis connection with the surrealists was complicated and I dont believe the change in the painting was intended to hide his beliefs but rather to compromise with a man they were desperately trying to believe was not a fascist
@jemmapellemma8185
@jemmapellemma8185 Рік тому
@@sourgreendolly7685 Honest answer. Because we have to have this conversation or watch this video instead of being able to: just look at a Dali painting, see the fascist imagery (the Nazi armband for example) and conclude "oh obviously: Dali was into fascism." It must be understood that we are _not_ merely talking about surrealism as a cultural movement - we are talking about "The Surrealist Group" which you had to officially join, and could be officially expelled from - as Dali was. The Surrealist Group was not, as you suggest, "artists drawn to the style" - no, these were instead a specific group of creatives that all knew each other, and so they made Dali censor himself so as to not make it seem that they, or the group, condoned Dali's fascist ideals (which they did not).
@nebulis6509
@nebulis6509 Рік тому
People like you are why I agree with Dali lmfao
@SlashCampable
@SlashCampable Рік тому
@@nebulis6509 Don't cut yourself on all that edge bro.
@dagnarmckneely7814
@dagnarmckneely7814 Рік тому
Just found this channel, love the video and formatting of it. Very informational, my only gripe is that while there were subtitles for when you were speaking, there were none for Mr. Navarro. I understood most of what was being said but I think having subtitles for the person being interviewed would be extremely helpful. Keep up the wonderful work. 💗
@allanrichardson9081
@allanrichardson9081 Рік тому
Yes, the oscilloscope tracings are harder to understand than the speaker’s accent!
@Frodanatee
@Frodanatee Рік тому
Great video. Never understood why this part of him was not highlighted more.
@XanderVJ
@XanderVJ Рік тому
"Separating the art from the artist" is 100% impossible for multiple reasons, but the thing is, I think that framing is dishonest. Let's face it. We don't really care about whether the art and the artist can be separated. We don't give two craps about that, because it's not really about the author, or even about the art. It's about ourselves. What we really want to know is if, by enjoying a piece of art made by a bad person, we are doing something immoral ourselves. If we somehow get some sort of blood on our hands because our enjoyment is helping evil to spread, however indirectly it may be. I don't know what the answer to that maybe (right now I'm more inclined to "no" for multiple reasons that are too long for a UKposts comment format, but I might either change my mind or double down as I grow older, who knows), but I think it would be more productive to frame the debate in that way, rather than the "separation" wishful thinking thing.
@luxill0s
@luxill0s Рік тому
To sum up an argument I saw elsewhere: we want to know if what we consume is “good,” if it makes us “moral,” because it is our only outlet of control in a world where what you consume is top priority. We can measure ourselves and others based on the morality of what we consume. You can like something and not agree with the intended motivations behind it. The perception of what an artwork means to someone is up to that someone. The artist leads the viewer to water, but that does not mean the viewer will drink. They may just stare at their own reflection.
@nebulis6509
@nebulis6509 Рік тому
Wait til these guys get to heaven or hell and find out that fascism is literally the closest we have to a morally good governmental system in the modern world
@patricknorton5788
@patricknorton5788 Рік тому
I no longer (for the past thirty years) listen to Miles Davis because of his reported treatment of women. Just can't enjoy it, however talented he was. But I can't say that I can hold myself to this standard in every area. Homer, for instance- I have no idea of how a decent person he was. But we do need to have standards, and to raise them when and where possible.
@luxill0s
@luxill0s Рік тому
@@nebulis6509 Fascism is a system that forms hierarchies of the worth of human beings based on idiotic criteria. Yet it is "morally good"? I think your moral compass is in an entirely different gravitational setting...
@nebulis6509
@nebulis6509 Рік тому
@@luxill0s imagine thinking fascism assigns different moral worth to different individuals, you are literally just brainwashed, we are all equal in the eyes of God, but hierarchy is not only natural, it’s a metaphysically reality. And there’s nothing you can do about it lmao
@guillemmoreno5522
@guillemmoreno5522 Рік тому
Just a small nitpick: you pronounce several Catalan and Spanish names as if they were French. They're not.
@dovette3595
@dovette3595 Рік тому
también pronuncia la u en Guernica aunque no tenga diéresis
@lucasosis
@lucasosis Рік тому
I was digging for this comment ;)
@derekcarney
@derekcarney Рік тому
I love you, Guillem. Thank you. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!
@m.s.9744
@m.s.9744 Рік тому
That's because he's a Facist 🤞
@theohaegele9011
@theohaegele9011 3 роки тому
This is exactly the youtube channel I've been looking for all these years! Thank you for doing what you do!
@TheCanvasArtHistory
@TheCanvasArtHistory 3 роки тому
That warms my heart!! Thank you and welcome onboard!
@niranjansrinivasan4042
@niranjansrinivasan4042 Рік тому
Dali seems to be inspired by "Ubermensch" ideology and he was, atleast by my standards a narcissist and its convincing to believe he was attracted towards narcissistic ideologies like fascism, nazism etc.
@shannernanner
@shannernanner Рік тому
There are no captions when Navarro is speaking, as someone with hearing issues I would like to be able to understand all of what he’s saying.
@andretyroneii941
@andretyroneii941 Рік тому
There is CC!
@shannernanner
@shannernanner Рік тому
@@andretyroneii941 There is for the video but I didn’t see anything when Navarro was talking.
@andretyroneii941
@andretyroneii941 Рік тому
@@shannernanner when I get to the part when he's speaking, I try to write to you what I heard, if you still need
@andretyroneii941
@andretyroneii941 Рік тому
@@shannernanner I'm not hearing that well too (music ruined me haha) and not a native speaker but, from what I understood, Navarro was a member of anti fascist underground groups and knew Dali's side many people didnt know, cause in mainstream he was known as a great painter. During Franco presidency he was supporting his inhumane actions and Navarro perfectly knew it and this interview just gave it a proof. After Spain became more democratic and denounced fascist ideologues, Dali left country in hurry cause he was afraid that people in underground who just raised to power would lynch him. Navarro said basically all things said in this video, you can just trust him alot more cause he was in this political situation and knew almost all fascists in the industry
@andretyroneii941
@andretyroneii941 Рік тому
Second part is alot more hard to transcribe, but I tried my best. It's very interesting. Short version is, after Spain regained democracy, it was half democratic, some forces and political leaders that was active during Franco, stayed in place as there was never a public execution and outlawing. As Dali was financially helping them before, they returned a favor by burying his fascist legacy through their connections. Like, telling current politicians not to ban him from galleries and all those things. That what gave him needed break into mainstream and most probably only reason he wasn't "lynched". At the very end he say that there is no apolitical art, and ignoring fascism will make it worse. Also he said that there is alot of nazis still (he's right, sadly), and we still need to see it as a threat
@SnackPackSilkens
@SnackPackSilkens 3 роки тому
I found your channel as I have had Magritte on my mind and I am very glad I did so. This was a well done and informative video.
@TheCanvasArtHistory
@TheCanvasArtHistory 3 роки тому
Thank you very much! Glad you appreciated :)
@gavinreid2741
@gavinreid2741 Рік тому
Dali had a brief impressionist phase when young. When studying art in Madrid Dali was deeply interested in Cubism , even boasting that he know more about the subject than the teachers.
@psykodactyle
@psykodactyle Рік тому
Dali's Enigma of Hitler is the debate-bro "Change My Mind" of surrealist art
@bobdots5974
@bobdots5974 Рік тому
I know that I come to this discussion very late, but I thought it was interesting at the end of the video that you asked "Have I convinced you [the viewer] that Dali was a fascist?". The answer is "no", but only because it was Dali himself who convinced me that he was a fascist. His words and actions solidified that fact in my mind, regardless of his early dissembling on the question. The next question which has been alluded to by earlier replies in these comments, would also make another great video for you to produce - how do we receive his art now, given his background and what we now know about the man? This was a wonderful video and I get great value from all your work - thank you.
@joshg9773
@joshg9773 2 роки тому
this might be the best channel I've ever stumbled upon
@Hoberpopkin
@Hoberpopkin Рік тому
Hello. English is not my native language, so I have some trouble with accents. Would it be possible at all to create subtitles for when Mr. Navarro began speaking?
@petrapino6948
@petrapino6948 Рік тому
I had no idea about the depths of Dali's fascism. Thank you so much for documenting this.
@metatrontumultum1860
@metatrontumultum1860 Рік тому
Damn Dali was basically the Kanye West of the 1930s
@anatine_banana_69
@anatine_banana_69 10 місяців тому
Too bad superbad wasn't released yet
@paranoidandroid6691
@paranoidandroid6691 6 місяців тому
@@anatine_banana_6921 jump street*
@anthonyprince7989
@anthonyprince7989 14 днів тому
bro I thought the same!
@Eudaimonia88
@Eudaimonia88 Рік тому
This is a fabulously researched and insightful video. One suggestion: could you post subtitles for the recording of Professor Vicente Navarro's commentary? It is extremely difficult to understand him due to his accent.
@felix4645
@felix4645 Рік тому
This turned out to be one of the best videos on fascism and it’s history I’ve seen, after doing a lot of research. Very interesting topic and absolutely right to use Ecco’s definition. It is often important to separate art from the artist. In both art and music.
@yetanotherrandomyoutubecha4382
@yetanotherrandomyoutubecha4382 Рік тому
I've never been the biggest fan of Eco's 14 characteristics, because they are more a work of semiotics than a definition. Basically, he is describing what fascism usually *looks like*, but not necessarily what it *is* at its core. So fascism continues to be a bit of an elusive concept with that framework
@felix4645
@felix4645 Рік тому
@@yetanotherrandomyoutubecha4382 I think the vagueness is actually part of the ideology. It’s not a defined thing as socialism is, for example.
@yetanotherrandomyoutubecha4382
@yetanotherrandomyoutubecha4382 Рік тому
@@felix4645 Maybe. It is explicitly anti-intellectual, after all
@daddykarlmarx6183
@daddykarlmarx6183 Рік тому
@@yetanotherrandomyoutubecha4382 I think the vagueness makes sure that there's basically no fascists that don't fit some of those points, while not being as vague as just calling them totalitarian
@thepants1450
@thepants1450 Рік тому
How do you separate art from the artist when their own direct ideology is covering the canvas? Wtf lmao
@aestroai8012
@aestroai8012 Рік тому
Thanks so much for making it clear what Dali was about. I've studied his paintings throughout my painting career, and found minor stories of how he didn't get on with Picasso and the likes. Now I clearly see why. He was playing with fire, and his provocative stance crossed a dangerous line at some point. I always just thought he was perhaps the first troll using surrealism as a means of usurping fascism. I'm convinced he deluded himself into thinking he could avoid the gas chambers whilst steeped in his perverted surrealist fantasies (I still admit I love).
@mateuszmalanowski5013
@mateuszmalanowski5013 Рік тому
You certainly made me rethink my sympathy for Dali, and you gave me a topic to think about for upcoming days, which is "separating artist from art, in case of political art". Thank you so much for this video, it's very much appreciated
@TheHortoman
@TheHortoman Рік тому
Who the fuck had sympathy for dali? I guess he never fooled us spanish
@milosevicmihajlo499
@milosevicmihajlo499 Рік тому
Dont worry, you should not lose simpaty for the Dali beacuse of this little new age comunist who tries to put dali to trial again
@TheHortoman
@TheHortoman Рік тому
@@milosevicmihajlo499 lol rip dali was shallow and boring nevermind him working for the governmement that ruined my country
@milosevicmihajlo499
@milosevicmihajlo499 Рік тому
@@TheHortoman goverment that saved your country, trust me you guys would suffer under leftist scum
@jackroberts2704
@jackroberts2704 Рік тому
@@milosevicmihajlo499 Sounds like that's just your opinion
@camilaantuaneev
@camilaantuaneev Рік тому
this was such an interesting theme and video, so full of information that really left me open mouthed. thank you for the work u put into your research, i'll look forward to your content :)
@ilshyf
@ilshyf Рік тому
So, he basically was 20th century Kanye West.
@shivangshukla6253
@shivangshukla6253 Рік тому
Even artists as radical as Dali aren't immune to the bad seeded yet seductive ideologies. This was really enlightening.
@brianmiller5444
@brianmiller5444 Рік тому
such as Breton’s evident love of communism? I kept waiting for that side of the story to come out…And this blindness remains on the left today as well as the right???
@fgsz291
@fgsz291 Рік тому
@@brianmiller5444 This is a video about Dali and facism, why would he talk about Breton and communism?
@josepandreuhernandez2508
@josepandreuhernandez2508 Рік тому
Picasso was based AF
@quedtion_marks_kirby_modding
@quedtion_marks_kirby_modding Рік тому
Most radical artist follow radical ideologies tho? Like just see the vanguards, surealist were mainly communist, futurist facists, etc.
@h...........................
@h........................... 11 місяців тому
@@josepandreuhernandez2508 woman beater, sadist, chauvinistic, macho...
@NullStaticVoid
@NullStaticVoid Рік тому
I remember years ago when Dali was in poor health and would soon die, me and some friends went to the fancy part of town to go see some Dali prints at a gallery. We were all very excited because we were going to cut class from high school. On the way there one of our older friends told us the whole story of how Dali was a fascist who loved Franco. At that time I really had no idea who Franco was or anything about the Spanish Civil war. And only vaguely knew nazis were bad, and if you were a socialist or communist you had extra reason not to like either. So we kind of brushed it off and went anyway. Honestly we spent more time at the gallery with plasma globes than looking at Dali prints. Plasma globes had just come out that year. PS you need to turn autofocus off.
@danielpierce4430
@danielpierce4430 Рік тому
You have convinced me that my art history education was wholly inadequate.
@hamzah5408
@hamzah5408 Рік тому
Thank you for making this! I enjoyed while I learned as well, You made me feel start to read Andre Breton, plus he’s interesting man 💘
@NoaManic
@NoaManic Рік тому
In the late 19th century and early 20th century, the Futurist art-movement was a great inspirer for people such as Benito Mussolini and the Proto-Fascists before him.
@backoflies
@backoflies Рік тому
As an Spaniard I want to thank you for such a thoughtful and we'll researched video essay! It's a shame not even people in Spain want to look into this and refuse to address it, ignoring it even though the Spanish civil war and the fascism that ruled the country for so many years is still very tangible. Looking away is still a big part of the problem. No wonder Buñuel and Picasso turned their back on him. I wonder what Lorca would've thought of Dalí calling him the most apolitical person he knew, especially considering how political his death was. I found your channel not so long ago and have watched a few videos and they are all incredibly delightful!
@dovette3595
@dovette3595 Рік тому
@@okay8136 what
@marionmolina2225
@marionmolina2225 Рік тому
@@okay8136 I suppose you are a fascist too. We are not talking here about communism. That´s another chapter to discuss about...
@pepo4990
@pepo4990 Рік тому
Lo que se ignora de la misma manera, es lo que hubiera pasado de haber recibido la República apoyo de la Unión Soviética. El bando rojo no sería ni de lejos admirado o tratado con indiferencia. A veces es mejor pensar que ha pasado lo mejor que ha podido pasar. Y no, no soy un fascista. Mi familia es rusa y murieron por el comunismo.
@marionmolina2225
@marionmolina2225 Рік тому
@@pepo4990 Pues tú serás muy ruso y no dudo que el comunismo no es la panacea pero los cuarenta años de fascismo que vivimos en España fueron atroces… cuando el resto del mundo había acabado con ellos nosotros aquí aguantando. Y ahora aparecen los herederos de esta gentuza criminal a darnos por el culo otra vez… Pues no, hay que echarlos fuera donde quiera que aparezcan.
@_extrathicc
@_extrathicc Рік тому
@@pepo4990 "No soy un fascista" dice el que literalmente defiende el fascismo. "Mi familia es rusa y murieron por el comunismo" dice el que defiende a la gente que consideraba a los eslavos subhumanos y deseaba exterminarlos... Si tu familia realmente es rusa, la única razón por la que estás en este mundo es gracias a que los bolcheviques derrotaron a los nazis y evitaron que le hicieran a tus ancestros lo que le hicieron a los judíos de Europa Central. Si la persecución política te parece mala y odias a Stalin por eso, es entendible y te apoyo en ello, su paranoia causó un sufrimiento innecesario y decenas de miles de inocentes murieron por su culpa, sin embargo, si criticas a Stalin y defiendes a Franco que hizo lo mismo, lo mismo tu problema no es la persecución política o el asesinato. Lo mismo sí que eres un fascista y tu problema es que tienes un deseo de sentirte superior a otros y abusar de ellos. Y no importa que tan autoritarios hubiesen sido los estalinistas, de haber ganado la República y haber dado un golpe de estado el PCE, aún así, España hubiese estado en una mejor situación que con Franco. Si bien la persecución política hubiese estado a un mismo nivel, no habría habido el aislamiento internacional que causó hambrunas durante los primeros 20 años del franquismo. España se habría industrializado más gracias a la ayuda soviética, y eventualmente se habría liberalizado sobre la misma época que lo hizo en la realidad. Y claro, esto es suponiendo que el PCE hubiese tomado el control, pero el PSOE e IR seguía teniendo fuerza en el bando republicano y hubiesen mantenido la democracia. Y también asumiendo que los nazis no invadirían España en ese caso en 1940 tras ocupar Francia y eventualmente hubiésemos acabado con un bipartidismo entre socialistas y radicales tras la Segunda Guerra Mundial justo como Francia. Eso hubiese hecho que España hubiese estado incluida en el Plan Marshall y se hubiese desarrollado económicamente mucho antes. Resumiendo, no, no pasó lo mejor que hubiese podido pasar, de hecho, es casi al contrario. Solo podría haberse empeorado con una victoria Nazi en la 2ªGM.
@ozzyd971
@ozzyd971 3 роки тому
The canvas posts, I click! Keep up the great work 😃
@TheCanvasArtHistory
@TheCanvasArtHistory 3 роки тому
Oscar comments, I answer! Thank you so much!!
@mirabellehenry8293
@mirabellehenry8293 Рік тому
hi, do you have a transcript of your interview with Vicente Navarro? I would like to use it for a project. thanks
@Cheryl407
@Cheryl407 Рік тому
I think members of my family were in the Lincoln Brigade because they are buried in a special place for Spanish Freedom Fighters in the cemetery where they are buried. This was a very fine video. I studied so much art history and I am shocked I never knew this about Dali. As to Fascism here, oh yes, it’s here and always has been. Thank you.
@caballero4648
@caballero4648 Рік тому
Your family rest in hell.
@theog.5197
@theog.5197 Рік тому
To the people who say "Separate Art from the artist", keep in mind that the art that the artist does is very much influenced by their beliefs and actions. And ultimately, any talent anyone on this planet has cannot be a reason for absolution for people. "He was a terrible person but a great artist." So does this argument mean that it would be inexcusable only if his art was terrible? Why should art matter? Art reflects our beliefs, exactly as the Canvas (I'm sorry I don't know your name, I just discovered you) pointed out with the Cannibalism, The Enigma of Hitler and the Weaning of Furniture Nutrition. There are many extraordinary artists in this world. You can appreciate talent, but I don't think it's wise to fall for it. Thank you for this thorough video. I first watched your video on John Heartfield which convinced me to sub to you and will keep watching your videos. I'm grateful UKposts recommended you to me.
@xero0015
@xero0015 Рік тому
Art does not necessarily have to reflect our beliefs and we can find value in art that doesn't align with it or goes against it, the point is every artist you know could be a terrible person and you just don't know it yet, is because it hasn't been revealed to you, is it only okay to support an artist if you don't know them fully? Some of the most beloved pieces of music and art are made by arguably morally questionable or terrible people by today's standards, just because I am heavily appreciative of the writing or melodies of one John Lennon does not mean that I share his same aptitude for beating women
@Spookspek
@Spookspek Рік тому
I, for one, like fascist aesthetics despite being pacifist. I also enjoy Soviet propaganda music despite leaning libertarian. Chinese too, despite viewing the CCP as a current threat. I listen to Christian music despite finding some of their core beliefs absurd and may sprinkle in a nasheed for good measure. So my favourite painter may well be a fascist, or, hell, even a serial killer.
@sardonicus1739
@sardonicus1739 Рік тому
Strongly disagree since literally every artist imaginable could be a terrible person without you knowing it. Should we just ban art all together unless everything is screened by your personal standards of morality? How does any of this invalidate the beauty of the art? If you later found out your favorite song in the world that you've loved for years was written by a monster, would you ban yourself from enjoying that song anymore or be able to get out of your black and white thinking to realize something can still be beautiful regardless of who made it? And if you found out an absolutely awful hideous piece of art was made by the kindest most loving most morally pure human to ever live, does that art suddenly become beautiful to you? Is the only standard of what's worth viewing or not based solely on how pure the person doing that medium regardless of quality? Normal humans can separate art from artists cause they don't see art as a way to pat ourselves on the back about how moral we are for enjoying the "correct" art that's by the most pure soul.
@SaladDongs
@SaladDongs Рік тому
@Marlo Kartel Yikes
@Stroheim333
@Stroheim333 Рік тому
Why not separate the artist and art from the viewer...? I can find art absorbingly fascinating _because_ it was made by crackpots, fascists and communists. OF COURSE that doesn't make me as a viewer a crackpot, fascist or communist. You look at the movie The Godfather, and nobody expect you to sympathize with the maffia or being a mafioso yourself. That's simply not how it works.
@woodengirl127
@woodengirl127 Рік тому
I loved one of the final statements that Navaro made along the lines of apolitical art being inherently political. Like the popular quote used by white supremacist group Proud Boys, "Stand back and Stand by". Although Dali wasn't too keen on hiding his fascist ideology- Using your privilege to ignore discrimination and violence towards minorities on the basis of being "apolitical", is what gives fascism a platform to continue spewing bigotry. Beautiful video essay!! Thank you for providing education on art, film, and literature!
@Firefly-dy5zc
@Firefly-dy5zc Рік тому
The Proud Boys are most definitely NOT "white supremacists". If you stopped listening to the constant barrage of propaganda coming out of mainstream media you would know this. But then you would have to become brave enough to actually think for yourself, rather than mindlessly parrot the lies you're being fed. Are you up for it? Because once you look behind the curtain, you can't go back.
@derekcarney
@derekcarney Рік тому
IF your awful misunderstandings cause the destruction of any of his works, you should truly be ashamed of yourself. Horrible essay. Find an actual cause to promote, because trying to smear people who are dead is really LAME. Shame on all of you.
@nbeutler1134
@nbeutler1134 5 місяців тому
@@derekcarney i think you're a troll but in case you're not-- what cause are we promoting? it's not smearing, because everything the video points out are simply known facts about Dali's fascistic beliefs/tendencies, smearing means FALSELY accusing someone of something. If you've been reading since Star Wars came out, I'm surprised you didn't know that already
@kittara8
@kittara8 8 місяців тому
I must say, I absolutelly love how you make connections with references to other videos, so I can endlessly jump between them
@shovelhead56
@shovelhead56 Рік тому
Once again, am grateful to you for your insightful narrative! Always leave your channel more aware and informed. Thank You🤙
@parkerstroh6586
@parkerstroh6586 Рік тому
To me, this adds depth to Dali’s philosophy and paintings - like what sadness brings to the image of a clown
@derekcarney
@derekcarney Рік тому
Huh?
@parkerstroh6586
@parkerstroh6586 Рік тому
@@derekcarney never heard of a clown?
@derekcarney
@derekcarney Рік тому
@@parkerstroh6586 There was one in The Terrifyer that scared me more than Trump and Biden and Hitler combined. I don't get the sad part and what it has to do with clowns. Also, I know about Fancy Clowns ukposts.info/have/v-deo/sXWKd3mgj4KBtas.html
@parkerstroh6586
@parkerstroh6586 Рік тому
@@derekcarney a clown is just the mask, there’s a person behind there and they aren’t as whimsical as their image presents also fuck yes fancy clown
@SourSourSour
@SourSourSour 3 роки тому
Was not expecting this topic, especially at this length! Just starting the vid and looking forward to it
@TheCanvasArtHistory
@TheCanvasArtHistory 3 роки тому
I hope you enjoy! I felt that the accusation was a pretty big one, so it needed a lot of arguments to support it. I hope you liked it! Thanks again for commenting and giving consistent feedback!
@mother_painting_nyc
@mother_painting_nyc 8 місяців тому
side question what is the name of all the magazines or large format art books dispayed behind you?
@alexwitek1025
@alexwitek1025 Рік тому
Your videos make me really happy. I always get a really excited feeling by your approach and style
@zab416
@zab416 Рік тому
Thanks for an interesting video. If you happen to see this and can possibly caption Prof. Navarro's bits, that'd be helpful to people who have trouble hearing or figuring out what someone with an accent is saying-- I'm for captions/translations everywhere possible, but statements like especially. The stuff Dali said is disturbing but also read to me very much like a pre-Internet troll. Dali and a modern Internet troll can both use their personas to be whimsical or whatever about their politics, it's just a certain shock value style. I noticed other commenters making the same kind of observation. I find it amusing (but sad) that Breton said he made sure there was no humor at one point when trying to get out Dali's true feelings. This is basically something any professional or hobbyist comedian has said to a comedy friend at some point-- "So wait, this isn't a bit?" Because a lot of outlandish things people say in that community are jokes to get a laugh or reaction, but sometimes the outlandish thing is true. Usually something more mundane than whether you really like Hitler or not. I feel kinda bad for Breton, I think he was trying to do the right thing for years, but going up against a big personality can be frustrating. Someone who knows history better may know if he came across as censorious or witch-hunter-esque at the time or to people later looking back.
@overlookers
@overlookers Рік тому
The Surrealists: _WHY CAN'T YOU JUST BE NORMAL_ Dali: **screeches in melting clocks**
@madhatterloveswhiskey2445
@madhatterloveswhiskey2445 Рік тому
Your channel is my new guilty pleasure
@HanHan-zx2ni
@HanHan-zx2ni Рік тому
In the beginning I thought this was just an unhinged UKposts essay, but this video essay actually changed my mind
@richyrich5049
@richyrich5049 Рік тому
I shared this with my partner and she is very upset. But hey… There are probably tons of people we admire while their dark sides are unbeknownst to us.
@francisbyrne9236
@francisbyrne9236 2 роки тому
Thank you very much for these very interesting insights!
@gardenboydon
@gardenboydon Рік тому
Your channel is such a treat.. thank you so much
@cameronhammer8872
@cameronhammer8872 Рік тому
Fantastic video. Really concise assessment and level-headed analysis. One quip I do have is on the camera work. It was distracting when the camera's auto focus would repeatedly shift back and forth between you and the background, I would recommend locking the focus to prevent this.
@eddiebeato5546
@eddiebeato5546 Рік тому
This is, indeed, a scholarly analysis of Dali’s complex political stance, and the young narrator is excellent!!!
@derekcarney
@derekcarney Рік тому
I think you meant pretentious smear campaign. Gross.
@eddiebeato5546
@eddiebeato5546 Рік тому
@@derekcarney Salvador Dali is one of my all-time favorite artists.
@derekcarney
@derekcarney Рік тому
@@eddiebeato5546 Then I'd hate to see what you do your enemies! LOL. Just kidding. No, it is good to be open to awful truths. Although, after what happened to some confederate statues and Washington and Jefferson etc. statues and such...I think the movement with this type of ideology today is absolutely DANGEROUS to important artworks and such.
@eddiebeato5546
@eddiebeato5546 Рік тому
@@derekcarney I think you are absolutely right, and I should reprimand myself for advancing the agenda of those who hate the Christ of St. John of the Cross by Salvador Dali. The world today is going through tremendous tensions, politically, religiously, culturally and economically, and I think the end of of this era is just around the corner. Like the Bronze Age, our civilization is teetering and tottering into the awful cracks of history. I am sorry Salvador Dali did himself a disservice by not being constant to his personal convictions, his moral compass, but it is even more pathetic when he, seeking the attention of the social media, had to debase himself with self-mocking antics and clownishness unworthy of an artist so supremely gifted. For up today, no one alive can paint better hyper-realism than Dali: just look at his religious paintings. But he left behind a veritable plethora of junky stuffs (including forgeries, early 1980s) trashy paintings, Avant Garde, passing for arts in the depiction of dreams (surrealism) that he was apt to justify as the “baiting potion” for a nihilistic society going to the dogs, and committing suicide in masses (First and Second World Wars). Later on, Dali, a self-proclaimed genius, was keenly aware that as an artist, he was beyond reproach and praise, and so he knew that whatever he painted, as long as it had his signature, could pass for the “work of genius.” But inside, Señor Dali, inflated by his monarchical mentality, suspected a herd-mentality incapable of recognizing genuine works of arts, for to the very end, he admired Diego Velazquez, Vermeer and Raphael, as the supreme visual artists of all times. It is very likely that Spanish philosopher Jose Ortega Y Gasset (who authored the Revolt of the Masses, so prophetic of our times) and Dali knew each other well. They both feared the rule of the mass-man, our hyper-democratic society, which eventually, as evinced a few years ago, would tear down and raze to the ground the once-standing statutes of our indignation. The sad case of Salvador Dali reminds me of landscape artist Thomas Kinkade, whose unbridled ambitions for mundane glories and the blessings of Mammon ($$$), tragically culminated in their own undoings and well-reported wretchedness. Of course, Salvador Dali became immortalized in his masterpieces, but it seems that Fate had to purify him before departing from this world. Stricken with the Parkinson disease, and abandoned in the most desolate of solitary confinement in his castle, he attempted suicide, and was almost consummated by a conflagration in the last throes of his final days. He died of heart failure, and even to the last moment, he was exploited as a cash cow artist.
@derekcarney
@derekcarney Рік тому
@@eddiebeato5546 Ouch- I can't stand Kinkade. Wasn't he in a fire or didn't his room catch on fire around the time of his death? I have a great book about him somewhere that is mostly images of his work, including a number I had never seen elsewhere. I made an appt with the Prints & Drawings department at the Cleveland Museum of Art years ago to view some prints and drawings by Dali that they do not have publicly displayed for temperature control, humidity, and light. It was free to do and so cool. You sit at a table and hey bring out the works one at a time and set them on the table in front of you. You are inches away from them although you cannot touch them. It was incredible. He was hilarious, too. ukposts.info/have/v-deo/oYiFZntwepmUmXU.html
@harrietheywood
@harrietheywood 2 роки тому
Thank you for this video. I did a search on the topic because I had read about this recently. In St Petersburg, Florida, they are very proud of the Dali Museum. This casts a dark shadow over it.
@MetrikOner
@MetrikOner Рік тому
St petersburg/clearwater/seminole has a substantial white supremacist/neo nazi population. Makes sense.
@lucave15
@lucave15 Рік тому
His work and legacy doesn't have nothing to do with his ideology
@Tempfilms360
@Tempfilms360 Рік тому
@@lucave15 you should watch the video, there were clear examples of his ideology affecting his work.
@b-r-a-i-n-r-o-t
@b-r-a-i-n-r-o-t Рік тому
@@lucave15 do you have any reason for believing that other than emotional response or nah
@yetanotherrandomyoutubecha4382
@yetanotherrandomyoutubecha4382 Рік тому
A dark shadow maybe only eclipsed by the shadow of DeSantis
@wendyannh
@wendyannh 9 місяців тому
This is so disturbing to learn about, all the more because not only did my parents purchase a marvelous Dalí lithograph around 1968 that has always been one of my most prized possessions, but we are Jewish. I can’t imagine how they didn’t know about his fascist sympathies. Or maybe they did, but ignored it in favor of the fact that he is unquestionably one of the best and most important artists of our times, and his work is so fascinating. I just don’t know if I will ever be able to look at my beautiful piece again, at least not with the same admiration.
@MadWolfMike
@MadWolfMike Рік тому
Excellent Work on This One! Thanks very much for making and posting this highly controversial yet fascinating video.
@WobblesandBean
@WobblesandBean Рік тому
Dali was a weird man. I'm not convinced he was legitimately a bona fide fascist, more than he was contrarian to an obnoxious degree. He was obsessed with going against the societal norms, regardless of what that looked like. His dedication to being "anti popular opinion" got him in trouble. Societal expectation was to get married, have kids, and be monogamous, so Dali was very loud about doing none of that. Part of me thinks he only spoke of Hi†Ier the way he did was because it was controversial to support him in any way, shape, or form.
@schmlif8839
@schmlif8839 Рік тому
Maybe he didn't consider himself a fascist but he sure did act like one. At the end of the day, actions speak far louder than words At the end of the day how different is a fascist from a "non fascist" if they both act the exact same way?
@weatheranddarkness
@weatheranddarkness Рік тому
I think Amelia, if it were just the images in his paintings that would be a decent perspective, but his active support of, and friendship with actual fascists, i think goes a lot further than say Siouxsie Sioux wearing a nazi armband for a show. That was all about about just rustling jimmies, and she disavowed the nazis outright. I think whether it got him in trouble or not isn't the question, it's more about what he's getting at, what are the between the lines truths and consequences of his ethos, and influence.
@Ozhull
@Ozhull Рік тому
Doesn't matter what his intentions or thoughts were. Act like an asshole long enough, even in parody, you're just going to become an asshole.
@derekcarney
@derekcarney Рік тому
THIS!!!!!!!!!!!! Amelia nailed it. Finally someone will some sense in their brain. YOU NAILED IT. This is exactly what was in my head but couldn't articulate it due to the RAGE AND ANGER that these fools have sparked in my soul. THEIR NONSENSE could literally mislead fools with no thoughts of their own to destroy such irreplaceable masterpieces.
@mackcyran5939
@mackcyran5939 Рік тому
The portion of the video where the author criticizes Dali for not taking a similar political stance like Picasso on a painting of the same subject matter really highlighted that. Why should we be spoonfed information through the art we look at? Dali really challenged the viewer if you take a non-partisan look, we don't have to agree with works to find them profound.
@ThePolistiren
@ThePolistiren Рік тому
9:44 > ☭Land Redistribution☭ > "these ideas sound moderate to us" Are you from Cuba?
@MM-vs2et
@MM-vs2et Рік тому
Are you from North Korea?
@myboy_
@myboy_ Рік тому
18:12 WOW this quote is insane. Does anybody have a source for this? I can't find any record of this quote besides this video
@x2433
@x2433 Рік тому
This is deeply enlightening. thank you for your work!
@grugthecaveman4565
@grugthecaveman4565 Рік тому
I personally have three theories on why Dali seemed to admire fascism. I would first like to note I am not a fascist myself, nor am I being an apologist for Dali, I just find it strange how a man of his character would hold such a bias. It is indeed not impossible, like Picasso being abusive or the philosopher Albert Camus being unfaithful to his wife. 1. Dali is so surrealist that he sees himself above morality and politics. I’d say his actions seem similar to that one friend everyone has who makes racist or sexist jokes but we all know they don’t really mean it. He rejects the naturally left leaning politics to surrealist art and instead becomes what he sees as a pure surrealist, as in being so absurd that your beliefs can go this way or that. 2. He admired fascism because of the esoteric nature of it. One of the core principles to fascism is some form of strange mysticism, esotericism or other such ideas in its ideology, culture, and even art. An example is how Fascist Italy supported Futurist art, which is seen as a form of modern art. Another is the esoteric paganism in Nazism that sees the “Aryans” as descendants of an alien race, Jews as evil wizards, and the belief that the world his hollow (yes those are all real things the Nazis believed). I can see Dali being attracted to fascism because of how inherently absurd, contradicting, and fantastical it is. 3. (My favorite one) Dali is just committed to a bit. Rather for his own humor, some art reason, or just because he is Dali he thought what if he pretended to be fascist. Though it’s probably not true I would not put it past him.
@poopymcstankbottom3479
@poopymcstankbottom3479 Рік тому
I feel like, other than the first suggestion, it would be a lot easier to explain these standpoints than to just flat put deny the association like he chose to do. I exclude the first one because in my opinion thats just the long way of saying "hes fine with fascism existing but wont strongly associate because he needs to preserve his image" and, again in my opinion, thats exactly the case. Something ive learned after years of interacting with fascists and their rhetoric, is that if you have to ask "are they a fascist?" The answer is almost always yes, regardless of if they try to hide it behind comedy, deflection, or denial
@Ducks4lif3
@Ducks4lif3 Рік тому
Option 3 is basicly dali is am early sam Hyde lmao
@nickkorkodylas5005
@nickkorkodylas5005 Рік тому
Lefty meme tier of wall of text. All that was needed for a person to admire fascism was to learn about Spain's Red Terror.
@RapidBlindfolds
@RapidBlindfolds Рік тому
I think point 2 summarises really well what I’ve always thought. Dali was interested in the æsthetic potential of everything. He said he found middle class people boring, but the extremely impoverished and extremely wealthy fascinating, ergo a fascistic, hierarchy society generates more of these divides
@poopymcstankbottom3479
@poopymcstankbottom3479 Рік тому
@@RapidBlindfolds i mean this makes sense for dali, but its kind of a garbage way to see the world. Like "ah yeah i just like fascism bc it makes life a lil more quirky and fun" not really the hill i would choose to die on
@UnnTHPS
@UnnTHPS Рік тому
If Twitter existed back then dali would tweet something about being cancelled bcuz of the armband in his painting
@shamusson
@shamusson Рік тому
Tbh he would only ever be on Twitter to troll people
@ivansuslov8530
@ivansuslov8530 Рік тому
I absolutely adore this channel!
@olliepoplol5894
@olliepoplol5894 Рік тому
Thank you for making this.
@Spursman875
@Spursman875 3 роки тому
One of your best videos yet! Fantastic work! I will definitely be signing up to your patreon in the near future!
@TheCanvasArtHistory
@TheCanvasArtHistory 3 роки тому
Thank you so much Adam! That's very nice of you!
@fellowcitizen
@fellowcitizen 3 роки тому
It speaks to a contrarian drive important to his artistic mode
@davidmaraman855
@davidmaraman855 Рік тому
Rather eye opening to see Salvador Dalis true as you say political stance. When I became enamored by the images Dali had penned to his canvases at 17 years old, that was all that mattered. Now today in 2022 the political climate in the United States of America where I live, threats of fascism are becoming front page news. So now I'm beginning to see Dali in a different light. Still an artistic genius in creative devotion, we have to notice Dalis self promotion strategy that gave him and Gala a very comfortable living when America gave Dali everything back to him for his work. What a wonderful era.
@christianbrown7959
@christianbrown7959 Рік тому
This was a long video, but an excelent one. Most illuminating.
@owenswabi
@owenswabi Рік тому
2:29 I disagree with the first two points as hitler and Mussolini would both be considered Modernists, rejecting any idea of restoring the monarchy, which is this context would be tradition. The only one that really fits that bill would be Franco. This is what Evola meant by referring to himself as a “super fascist”
@Ozhull
@Ozhull Рік тому
He already addressed the difficulty in defining fascism, but I'm glad you were able to demonstrate how much smarter you are than the rest of us morons
@owenswabi
@owenswabi Рік тому
@@Ozhull stay mad
@adamcadle7078
@adamcadle7078 Рік тому
Now I understand why Dali’s Last Supper is next to toilets in the Smithsonian
@KicaVixMG
@KicaVixMG Рік тому
has anybody written a transcript of the interview? i really struggle to understand what´s being said
@federicomontesdeoca9567
@federicomontesdeoca9567 Рік тому
This Chanel Is a gold mine for the art comunity
@TigrisVoice
@TigrisVoice 2 роки тому
Great video, very informative, Thanks a lot.
@randallrohr623
@randallrohr623 3 роки тому
Great video! I never knew any of this.
@mendonchurros779
@mendonchurros779 5 місяців тому
Love your video! Wanted to know indepth relationship between Dali and facists and got a lot more than just that! One tip from another videomaker, since your video is on tripod and you dont move, leave the focus on manual, that way the autofocus wont struggle and miss focus all the time.
@osborn.illustration
@osborn.illustration Рік тому
Wow I love this channel, glad I found it! Great video. Subscribed!
@Max_Kraft
@Max_Kraft Рік тому
At 09:32 - This is the most simplistic summary of the Spanish Civil War I have ever heard. The Soviet help wasn't little. The 600 T-26-tanks were modern weapons ensuring the material supremacy of the Republic for a very long time during the war. But its true that the Republic was very stupid to trust Stalin and the NKVD with the spanish Gold reserve which was never seen again. Also there were the International Brigades which were significant larger than the irish, romanian or other volunteers on the nationalist side.
@rojorosa
@rojorosa Рік тому
If we're looking at things on a relative basis (which he probably is) the aid sent by the USSR was lesser than that of both the Fascist nations so he's technically not wrong if we'relooking at if that way. Also I'm pretty sure the number of T-26s was closer to 250 to 300 plus 50 BT-5s.
@ferkitchen4111
@ferkitchen4111 Рік тому
It doesn't matter how simplistic they make their summaries, it doesn't change the truth that every spaniard knows: They lost and they became the eternal losers of the Spanish contemporary history. They can keep crying all they want.
@pigcatapult
@pigcatapult Рік тому
I came into this video not really knowing anything about Dali except that he's the melting clock guy. I was expecting things to get strange, but I was not expecting to come away with the cursed knowledge that Dali had sex dreams about Rule 63 Hitler.
@sunnaanderson4328
@sunnaanderson4328 Рік тому
i'm catalan and i'm very greatful for this video, not a lot of people know this and the video is great
@GuilleFunes_
@GuilleFunes_ Рік тому
Excellent video. Thanks for your research and time.
@user-mq9gd9hm2o
@user-mq9gd9hm2o 3 роки тому
I really appreciate your channel and all the research you put into all your videos.
@TheCanvasArtHistory
@TheCanvasArtHistory 3 роки тому
Thank you so much! The recognition is very appreciated :)
@campacolasworkshop6042
@campacolasworkshop6042 Рік тому
I find Dalis work the exact opposite of contemporary fascist works... At the end of the day he left us with great works of art and three great places to visit.
@TheFreeAdviceMan
@TheFreeAdviceMan Рік тому
Dali was a very disturbed person... All his life! Upon learning that his friend Federico Garcia Lorca was murdered by the monstrous fascists ( 1936 ) during the Spanish Civil War, he exclaimed ... with insane 'joy' ... "Ole!" Meaning ( I am Catalan Spanish/French ) the equivalent of "Wonderful!" or "Excellent!". Nothing about Dali's sadistic outbursts and acts of cruelty ... towards practically anyone and everyone...including such sweet fellow mammals as cats ... and I am and have always been a lover of cats ... in the proper sense of the expression ... none of all those irrational, illogical and senseless ... psychopathological ... exhibited countless incidents throughout his life provides any reason to think Dali was a mentally healthy and mindfully conscious person with sufficient compassion and empathy for anyone at all! That he seems to have glorified his wife Gala means little to nothing; given that she probably was part of the reason that he became less sadistic and slightly considerate in the Autumn of his life: when he became more and more dependent on the mercies and kindness of others. Dali was definitely not a true fascist at all. If anything, Dali exhibited a set of deepest contradictions, and the inner child hiding all along inside him...the one who had suffered one of the most terrifying of traumas by his own parents' absolute primitiveness and selfishness in damaging Dali from the earliest moments, by repeatedly telling him that he was the reincarnation of a previous Salvador...who died at the infancy age of 22 months,,,,whose death preceded his birth by literally 9 months ... WHAT A TOTALLY HARMFUL THING THEY DID TO THE POOR CHILD.! .... Dali was a sequential traumas victim and similar to those who suffer Stockholm syndrome, admired and envied the most grotesquely evil, ruthless persons....fascist leaders.... not because he really meant any of it, but exactly on account of the coping mechanism that he became addicted to...for lack of ever being properly helped by anyone at all. If Picasso or Breton had understood that Dali had such a most traumatising formative period and had never been properly helped by truly considerate super-conscious persons; they might have done what Freud, who was too old and resigned, could have done. Dali would have needed reality therapy.....by. being placed in the home of a family of people suffering from klepto-plutocratic fascism ....preferably a Catalan family! Dali was not a fascist. He was insane and sensed it acutely, but quickly invented a way to hide his insanity. And yet his invaluable insight into his disturbed mind are truly fascinating images that raise a most profound question....perhaps an unanswerable one at that: is the most interesting and shocking art ever the product of a truly balanced person, or is all of the greatest works of art the result of traumas....perceived, real or both? In other words: was Dali truly one of the most revolutionary of artists...or was his extreme surrealism basically the same thing as when a war-traumatised child, removed from relative danger, is given crayons or whatever and encouraged to draw whatever that child wants to? Was it just that Dali was technically advanced in artistic techniques and could express his mind's chaos, his conscious and sub-conscious fears and his hatreds, angst, anxieties and contempt for a World that truly tends to fail to care properly for one-another? Fascism is anti-humanity, anti-spiritual, anti-scientific, dangerously irrational and evil. Fascism is anything that is not real democracy, and that is designed to eradicate democracy, human rights, the inalienable right, freedoms and liberties that all individual persons are universally eternally entitled to, but which are too often denied by the various types of fascists and their dangerously brainwashed, idiotic supporters....from feudal monarchists to theocratic fascists, ultra-nationalists to pseudo-nationalist idiocratic fascist plutocrats....oligarchs and their chosen dictator. Was Dali a Fascist? NO! Was he an anti-fascist? Sadly; he was deep inside....held hostage by his chaotic state of mind! Dali did not lie at all when he stated that he was both a Monarchist and a Monarch of Anarchism...of his own Realm and Mind. Dali's art is profoundly important; as evidence of just how messed up our World was and still is. Only through conscious anti-fascism and total respect and concern for the rights of all non-fascist persons...as well as the rights of the fascist to be placed in a safe place where they can do no harm to others....until their inner child finally is able to break out of their dangerously convoluted mindset and warped world-view. Dali's innermost child did manage to .... unconsciously ... thwart fascism after all, by exposing their dementedness. Picasso was a chauvinist and totalitarianist....and his anti-fascism was thus undermined by his own lack of true enlightenment. Stalin was a fascist, and Stalin's pact with Hitler...through Molotov....was half of what allowed Hitler and Mussolini to be able to launch World War Two. The other half was what fascist Horthy did in providing access through Hungary to Romania and Bulgaria; the mineral and metal and fossil fuel resources needed for the fascists to build their huge array of war machines. And Franco was the fascist who destroyed what could have been a key democracy able to prevent World War Two. Dali was too disturbed to truly understand any of it. The Catalan people suffered horrors and Dali was as blind as a rabid bat flying into the flames of Historically senseless horrors....
@campacolasworkshop6042
@campacolasworkshop6042 Рік тому
@@TheFreeAdviceMan Thank you for your reply, very well thought out & informative.
@shamusson
@shamusson Рік тому
@@TheFreeAdviceMan Also how tf is fascism anti-spiritual lmfao, bro we here dealing with capitalism, scientific humanism, marxism, materialistic liberalism, managerial consumerism, anti-spiritual my ass
@derekcarney
@derekcarney Рік тому
THANK YOU FOR SPEAKING SENSIBLY.
@dnavid
@dnavid Рік тому
Gernika, no U in the pronunciation. Thanks for the detail. Have you seen Little Ashes?
@InterpretingYou
@InterpretingYou Рік тому
Was Hilter a painter?
@stratospheric37
@stratospheric37 Рік тому
This is amazingly underrated, more people need to watch this. Fascism always creeps up on people's insecurities, telling them the disgusting things they wanna hear, and their passive stance to all of it lets the gross hate take over. Passivity and tolerance towards fascism will always lead to the deaths of many innocent, we must always fight it anywhere it shows up if we value our loved ones.
@cliffgaither
@cliffgaither Рік тому
@Blacksun Sigrune88 ● Is that the best you can do ?
@cliffgaither
@cliffgaither Рік тому
@Blacksun Sigrune88 :: Your choice. August 3, 2022 ( 4days ago, meaning my response :: "Your choice" was last month ) :: @Blacksun ! Why did you delete your comment ? You pulled the rug from under me ! It looks like I'm commenting to the _invisible_ man. What gives ? Ya can run, but ya can't hide ! I'll find ya, one day ... if not here ... on some other video-commentary ! _Blacksun Sigrune88_ is not a name to forget ! _😁 ( Just messin' w / U, Bro. ! )_
@horrifyinggelatinousblob
@horrifyinggelatinousblob Рік тому
I’m Spain the “fascists” were morally superior to the commies that raped and robbed
@33paulx
@33paulx Рік тому
how many died under communism stalin and mao?
@cliffgaither
@cliffgaither Рік тому
@@33paulx :: 100,000,000.00 MILLION is the usually-contrived # the Capitalists push around ! Oops ! Were you addressing me ? You talking to me ?! You talking to me ?!
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