de_prime looks amazing. It reminds me greatly of Portal 2 due to all the foliage and torn environment.

imagine a map based on Aperture Science Labs with this grown green style i would love it!

HUUUUGE!!

skate just got way cooler

EA is going to ruin skate 4 RIP making it an online game

just wait until 4k is done processing

@@GageHeibeck I'm still waiting lol. It will blown up my 1080p monitor.

@@rnt__ Yui?

@@pardolagames8994 Yui!!!!!

looks perfectly fine to me

You should take a look at the game Black Mesa. Especially Xen

the power of baked lighting. i love it

@@LeDerpLegend Black Mesa's Zen is very beautiful, I agree, but it isn't meant to be realistic. this map has gone for a realistic look and it looks fantastic

@@thennoth2860 Check out the upcoming Portal 2: Desolation mod, it's mindblowing

Check out the game INFRA, it's one of the most beautiful Source games.

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@@celeryslice hey, you're the guy!!

oil painting is not the best comparison, but I'd say it's the difference between Gioto and Faber-Castell

yeah but its more of a ignoracne is bliss situation since you dont have to worry about draw calls, overdraw and dont have to Setup 30 different materials

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I KNEW IT

Literally paused the video right there and went into comments with ctrl+f "morb"

i glad i wasnt the only one

@@awsomebot1 Same here

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how did that full convo end up going haha

@@BannedProbably eh I just said I had made some of the models and textures for it and that was about it lmao

I bet you said "Nah, no way you made this."

@@DiggerDeeper01 I have a “map coin” for hive as a pin on my CSGO account plus there’s an Easter egg with my name in the map so it wasn’t that hard to believe I think lol

same here! the pacing, the editing and the narration was just top-notch classic philip ;)

@@xLukeTube hi

@@vaece_ omg this made my day. I love u

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@@vaece_ lets play together sometime in the next weeks. k?

It was surprising to me too! Whether it was coincidence or not, I think I at least was able to capture the spirit of Counter-Strike's visual style while still pushing it in new ways.

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@@celeryslice Oh hey celery! If I may ask, are you in university for game art/art stuff or some other unrelated stuff ?

@@C_Kava Hi! I'm in community college atm for an Associate's in Arts, and currently looking for a full-time job at a AAA studio, which I plan to then transfer and take 1-2 classes a semester to get a Bachelor's degree in game art.

In terms of game art, I started really about two years ago from 0 skill taught myself.

@@celeryslice Keep up the great work dude! It really is amazing when you take a step back to see how far you've come and educated yourself doing what you like. As another college student working my way into game design, mad respect to you sir! Your work is very inspiring.

Titanfall.

@@KarlKognition Good point, but it is a heavily modified version of Source.

@@KarlKognition Titanfall's build to Source is what Gldsrc is to Quake.

thing is, (as explained) it isnt. It heavily relies on baking PBR textures and materials down to sources ugly and relatively bad glossiness specular non pbr mess of a workflow. the only thing the source engine is doing is giving rough lighting information and information about transparency and reflection. source does raytracing when compiling a map. but modern tools are so much more efficient and realistic than this ancient game engine.

More like Will is able to achive something like this despite engine limitations :D

When I heard Phil say it I instantly had to check who commended him on it in the comment section. Fully agreeing with this comment!

The Wolfenstein bit caught me off-guard too, most people seem to pronounce it "Woofensteen"!

@@Gurimoe i also expanded all comments and ctrl+f'd for this, but didn't find a comment mentionning it, so i had to write it myself

True. Now only getting the O sound right and things are perfect.

It's based of him, the way Wolfenstein and Einstein get pronounced in english is bothersome.

You also watch radhaz Right niko

Thanks!

Engage was miles more fun than basalt. Having to play basalt for operation challenges was torture

They took it out because it's dog shit.

@@3kliksphilip philip was this written by an ai?

@@mewingrat I doubt it, “AHH” is not how an AI would speak, probably. It has grammar mistakes as well.

The point has indeed shifted. But you don't have to change with it if you don't want to. There is still room for more retro-games and mods in between all the shiny surfaces. Games such as "papers please", "among us" and "minecraft looks like crap but sold millions, simply because they played well and filled voids. In fact, they would have sold less if they required a 2060RTX to run. Bit of a rant here, but there is no wrong choice. You can either just do what you know, or keep up with the never ending change. Old school car mechanics can't fix new cars, but they're still needed. It's the same everywhere. And if you are capable of creating good, small games I would say you are even at an advantage. There are a lot of games out there, but many are just copies of the same shiny turd.

@@flawmore No secrets here, but I would also say that there are new mechanics who cannot fix old machines. There are old systems written in languages for which the original programmers have died, and any left are able to charge a substantial premium; if they haven't already tendered their resignation and retired.

@@ButterfatFarms Old games: ever heard of Retro Gaming? UK Police are still using a computer system from 1972. FORTRAN and COBOL programmers are rare and expensive.

I am working on shrinking the audio portion of the map as we are reducing the overall file size of the map a bit. I am also referencing your video on reverb in cs:go to see which reverbs would be nice for each space. I can't wait to see people play this map! Will has been living and breathing this thing for so long now, and when he says a year, that's counting the entire 24 hours of each day. He is a madman.

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I don't think we'll miss out on such maps. There are millions of people playing cs and probably thousands of mappers, there are so many creative people out there who would want to go even beyond the limitations of source 2

Your wish has been answered

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What is your job?

@@steveskeletonneii6336 3D Artist for a simulation company. We pretty much make computer games involving electrical boxes and wire circuits that teach electricians how to not electrocute themselves. My art director was a fan of hiw game studios do 3D art so we've followed that type of workflow

Dota 2 is on source engine 2....

Hi!!! Thank you so much! I authored all my assets in PBR and then tried to tune the Source shaders as best I could to mimic it. Not much control, especially on masking reflections in areas that should be shadowed, so a lot of it needed to be subdued :(

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me too

I think csgo might not get ported to source 2 for a while longer considering all the clickbait on youtube, we have no real info

@@fitmotheyap beside that, porting it to Source 2 would require users to buying a new PC because of system requirements (mostly for those who have a old PC back in early 2010s), not only that, it would break tons of (Source 1) workshop mods/addons/etc... that was unconverted to S2, such as very old one that wasn't been updated a long time while also having the developer inactive for long time. The developer inactive thing may be solved by another modder by decomplie the map but however, doing with something like 100.000+ maps or more would take times, and so with porting them to S2.

2001 dam letsgo

Also good luck with particle effects and smoke grenades, that already sounds painful to do outside of source :p

BETTER DUST 2!

​@@ROBST3RR dust2 is a map for CSGO, which runs on Source 1. The rumors of it being created in S2 Hammer are verifiably false.

@@ROBST3RR that's not how the Source works

@@ROBST3RR Yes, they have backported portions of Source 2 to Source 1. This means that stuff like the UI and audio engine have been adapted from Source 2 code to work in CSGO. This does not mean that a map can be made in Source 2 Hammer (Hammer 5) and ported to CSGO; at best, individual models can be created and baked in Hammer 5, then imported to a CSGO map (which is likely what's going on). Stuff like brushes or displacements just don't really exist in Source 2 the way they they do in Source 1 (there are analogs, but they work completely differently).

Source 2 will never be released.

I’m so glad!! I helped to make sure it was an accurate as explanation as it could be, and 3kliks helped to make it approachable! :)

It’s super easy to make stylized art/materials in physically based renderers though. It’s just up to what the people using it want to make. Essentially exactly what was just shown in this video lol. They defied pretty much all Source conventions and expectations to create this map, just like you can defy PBR guidelines to make something less “real.”

I’d argue that the biggest problem people have with PBR rendering doesn’t have anything to do with the tech itself, but rather the software used in that more modern workflow -mainly Substance Painter. It’s very easy to use the default grunge maps and edge wear/dirt generators to create something that looks fairly good, but also very samey and distinctly “PBR” looking. The software pushes you towards a particular art style that isn’t totally suited for every project. Of course, the same could be said for traditional non-PBR rendering, back when artists made heavy use of AO maps straight from Xnormal and photosourced textures mashed together in Photoshop. Ultimately, an artist’s toolbox goes a long way towards defining their style, and it’s important to be conscious of that particularly when trying to emulate a art created in a earlier era, using a different set of tools.

you are correct but it a highly tweaked Source engine like Source is to the quake engine

They don't run on source, they run on an engine that was based on source. It's like saying Half Life runs on the quake engine.

@@robot6346 Goldsource is basically quake

@@teslashark it is very different underneat. just because there are parts that are similar to eachother it doesn't measn they're the same engine.

@@pinkmail6841 And Source 2012 is highly tweaked compared to 2004. And they tweaked in some more in 2015 when Newke came out. They just haven't put quite as much work into it as Respawn did because there was always this nagging sense of "Why put in the effort when we're already working on a way better engine... it'll be ready any day now... any day now..."

I mean, the Respawn engine has rewritten just about everything - it's hard to compare two engines that don't even share similar renderers.

If you played Half Life Ep 2, I think there's the bridge scene in the beginning that nicely collapses that I think uses it's own animations. And I also think the End Of The Line Train scene where it flies and destroys the building into a bunch of chunks is also some what a separate animation? Dunno if those types are what you're referring to?

@@RickTheSmugLord Yes you are right. But I think the bridge is animated only partially. There are bending rails but the rest looks like its just a lot of single models that fall apart. But even the bending rails are a big thing. Do you mean the exploding citadel in episode 1?

I don't see why it couldn't be done. Team Fortress 2 uses those. Bread Space comes to mind, albeit a smaller scale than a dam breaking. Something that massive could still be done, however. Just needs a lot of time.

You could use baked animations yeah. There was plenty of "cinematic physics" in ep2, and tf2 has baked explosion animations in some payload maps.

Valve-made TF2 payload maps like Goldrush, Badwater and Thunder Mountain use bespoke baked physics animations for their finale explosions.

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@@3kliksphilip ohh, thanks for response

Agreed, for non english speakers his subtitles are a huge help

I like subtitles for the little chance he hides some Easter Egg or cut lines in them.

It makes sense to do a lot of sharing for TF2, especially since when most of the assets for that game are purely diffuse and maybe have a normal map. When I was working on Prime, I wanted to emphasize material responses, lighting, and making the most out of Source’s shaders. Since most assets available for Source do not make best use of the engine, creating assets from scratch was the best way to achieve a polished and cohesive aesthetic.

That poligob count

This *is* 99% 'fancy new graphics' though, just done elsewhere and baked for the engine beforehand.

@@Marcos42563 That's not new or fancy, even GoldSource used baked raytraced lighting lol. What I mean is the actual renderer, here there's no PBR, no true volumetrics, no real time specular reflections or realtime shadowed point lamps, etc. nothing like you might see in newer engines. The point is those don't make a better looking game on their own.

​@@Jofoyo ... well, no, most textures for GoldSrc props (like the ones in Decay, Condition Zero, or Paranoia) were either digitally painted by an artist or photobashed. Perhaps I should've been clearer instead of assuming you watched the whole video. I'm not talking about VRAD, I'm talking about the use of external tools, in this map's case Substance Designer and Substance Painter. Meaning there is (rather, was) PBR, just not in real time, as it was all baked onto the textures beforehand by the artist. I'd say that's fairly fancy technology, especially considering the GPU requirements for Substance Painter. Also, there very clearly are specular reflections all over this map. Philip even made a point of showing it, since that's the sort of stuff the map creators were teasing him with before giving him access to a version of the map itself. In the end, though, I do agree that style beats tech. It's why games like Portal 2 and Left 4 Dead 1 and 2 age so much better than some of their contemporaries like Gears of War and Skyrim. It's just that, in this case, most of that style was only possible thanks to tech that I'd personally call fairly modern.

@@Marcos42563 I'm very aware of their use of Substance and it's demands which aren't as bad as you make it out to be, I used to use it on my shitty GTX 750, it was just slower and struggled with 4k textures. And I did watch the full video. But what I am talking about is real time specularity with shadowing and clear parallax, and such shading on all surfaces, the entire point of my initial comment is we don't need full real-time lighting, and GI, and everything else that people keep praising as a magic bullet, for something to look good. That is what I mean by fancy and new graphics, I'm sorry my definition of the word confused you. I'm talking about actual render fidelity, not texture trickery. My vrad comparison is just that, a comparison, it's similar to what they're doing, just on models, baking their own lighting and AO into the mesh textures. Something plenty of games have done in the past. Philip even compares the fidelity of the map to id tech 5 iirc, from 2010. All of this has been possible for at least a decade. But even then they had better lighting and shaders than what source has.

@@Jofoyo Yes. Except that, again, it does have specular lighting. But yes.

It's morbin time

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FranzJ map when?

What?