DEF CON 22 - Metacortex and Grifter - Touring the Darkside of the Internet. An Introduction to Tor

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Touring the Darkside of the Internet. An Introduction to Tor, Darknets, and Bitcoin
Metacortex SECURITY RESEARCHER
Grifter SECURITY RESEARCHER
This is an introduction level talk. The talk itself will cover the basics of Tor, Darknets, Darknet Market places, and Bitcoin. I will start by giving the audience an overview of Tor and how it works. I will cover entry nodes, exit nodes, as well as hidden services. I will then show how you connect to Tor on both Linux/OSX and Windows and demo it off. Once we are connected to Tor, I am going to show how to find Tor hidden services and then demo off browsing around some marketplaces. Once the audience has a solid grasp on what the market places offer, I am going to start dealing the process of purchasing something off of it. I will cover bitcoin and bitcoin mining. After we know about how bitcoin works, we will cover purchasing items. I will cover purchasing PO Box's and the pickup of packages. Finally I will finish up with some concerns you may want to be aware of and my recommendations to help make the use of TOR, Bitcoin, and Marketplaces more secure.
As a infosec professional by day, Metacortex much prefers his hacker by night persona. Most of his free time time is spent helping run both DC801 and the Salt Lake City based HackerSpace 801 Labs. He loves talking about anything hacking related and does everything he can to help promote and build the northern Utah hacking community.
Twitter: @metacortex
Grifter has been a DEF CON Goon for 14 years. He is currently the Senior Goon in charge of DEF CON Evening Event space and the DEF CON Villages. In previous lives he served as a Security, Vendor, and Skybox Goon, Coordinator of the DEF CON Movie Channel, former Organizer of the Scavenger Hunt, and Administrator of the DEF CON Forums. He birthed the idea of the DEF CON Villages and DC Groups into the world, and he's not sorry about it.
Grifter has spoken at DEF CON numerous times, as well as related Hacker, Security, and Industry conferences. He has co-authored several books on various information security topics, and has somehow found a way to convince people to give him money for what he keeps inside his head.(The technical stuff, not the dirty stuff…yet.) He uses this money to provide food and shelter for his family in Salt Lake City, Utah, where he is an active part of DC801, and a founding member of the 801 Labs hackerspace.

КОМЕНТАРІ: 229
@Assassin73311
@Assassin73311 9 років тому
Anyone ever notice how Defcon is a large tech talk, but their equipment seems to never work?
@PasticheofSkin
@PasticheofSkin 9 років тому
Assassin Becasue It can always be patch fixed to last until the next Important moment
@wildh0rse1
@wildh0rse1 9 років тому
Assassin LOLOLOL Its so true it happens all the time!
@calistheticsmurdergeese
@calistheticsmurdergeese 8 років тому
Assassin Windows sucks man :P
@JosephCatrambone
@JosephCatrambone 8 років тому
+Assassin You could say things are kinda'... hacked together.
@SomeInfo-ib3wz
@SomeInfo-ib3wz 8 років тому
+Assassin The Demo Gods, ruthless.
@entitygamma1792
@entitygamma1792 5 років тому
"We can not confirm or deny the quality of these documents but they're amazing"
@user-in2jf7tx1q
@user-in2jf7tx1q 2 місяці тому
we cannot confirm or deny is pretty awesome way to escape things
@spacemonkey7507
@spacemonkey7507 8 років тому
In the hacker community you can find White Hats, Grey Hats, Black Hats and Asshats...
@jakefromstatefarm242
@jakefromstatefarm242 7 років тому
Asshats are a majority as well
@DxBlack
@DxBlack 6 років тому
What about Hi-hats and snares? *BadumTISS!*
@user-in2jf7tx1q
@user-in2jf7tx1q 2 місяці тому
😆maybe i'm one of the asshats
@257796
@257796 4 роки тому
shout out to whoever is putting this content up. From a lay person who works in the factory and wouldn't really go to defcon, the shyt I learned today
@spammyhagar
@spammyhagar 7 років тому
really, you didn't name it "TOR'ing the Darkside...?" gimme a break
@jaybofa617
@jaybofa617 4 роки тому
I’m stealing that title for my school presentation!
@DotNetRussell
@DotNetRussell 3 роки тому
RIGHT?!
@geekaboo14
@geekaboo14 9 років тому
So I'm on a list for watching this
@jpkjnn6733
@jpkjnn6733 8 років тому
namedcreekrocks You're on a different, worse list for knowing that knowing about the list gets you on the list. You don't even want to know what list I'm on for knowing that.
@Djorgal
@Djorgal 8 років тому
geekaboo14 Should watch it over tor.
@Dominoes282
@Dominoes282 8 років тому
geekaboo14 everyone is on a fucking list nowadays. Just don't get on too many lists.
@Zorn101
@Zorn101 8 років тому
namedcreekrocks your list is now on the list.
@boxbox6290
@boxbox6290 8 років тому
+Zorn101 only those who know no about the lists if your name not on the list your not getting in the lists are made from tits n rainbow pits like i said only thlse who know about the lists no the list are active the lists are were its at ghe lists are only for those in the know yano
@j.s.3414
@j.s.3414 2 роки тому
its rough watching hackers try and fumble through actual GUI's and physical cables/peripherals.
@getradvideo
@getradvideo 7 років тому
Anyone else end up here that doesn't understand any of this but still enjoying the knowledge?
@Edigor100
@Edigor100 7 років тому
How do you not understand any of this? Most of it is pretty basic knowledge
@ThisDJ808
@ThisDJ808 7 років тому
Dicktron if this is basic then I feel utterly thick and useless now!
@Edigor100
@Edigor100 7 років тому
craigyb well sorry to hear that but yes it is pretty basic, most 14 year olds nowadays know how to use tor to find websites selling illegal things edit: with most 14 year olds I meant the ones who are on the internet a lot, the normal teenager probably doesnt know
@ThisDJ808
@ThisDJ808 7 років тому
Dicktron oh I actually do know how to use tor to buy drugs lol. Needs must. I also had to figure out Bitcoin as well but I could not tell you how it works!
@Edigor100
@Edigor100 7 років тому
craigyb Well what do you mean by you couldn't tell me how it works? What is "it"?
@DigitalNomadInvestor
@DigitalNomadInvestor 2 роки тому
He started out talking about their day trips. When I lived in Bangkok, I used to do a similar thing. I called them "Adventure days" because that's what it always ended up being. Roaming around Bangkok is never boring! I'd leave in the morning, no idea of where I was going to go, and I just walked. Sometimes I'd hop on the BTS (elevated train). Great times!
@basedlord
@basedlord 8 років тому
Evolution Our Current Favorite
@Docko412
@Docko412 9 років тому
This is a great video.
@brkrab
@brkrab 9 років тому
nice clip good
@solarpanel8195
@solarpanel8195 7 років тому
"theyre not just for shady shit, but theres a LOT of shady shit" LMAO i love these dudes
@jmm1233
@jmm1233 8 років тому
On a list for looking at Cat Facts
@patricknelson
@patricknelson 2 роки тому
23:14 - with the current value of BTC, that little electronics kit is a mere $4k USD.
@ionizedwarhead
@ionizedwarhead 8 років тому
I've seen it on a couple of the videos, but what are the items on their wrists?
@peterromfeld4091
@peterromfeld4091 7 років тому
how can you securely express your interest for tor updates? A single person can not keep track of all scrambled transactions.. but its not humans who keep track of them... I just had this running on the side and only picked up these 2 things between 30-40 (im too lazy to get exact numbers)... I was seriously interested to maybe join defcon (from few other videos i put more attention into it) but these two things kinda made it useless for me and i dont see the benefits joining it other then getting tracked - that i am a potential person interested in this stuff, which i show right now commenting on this video anyways (luckily im just interested in security and dont do any shenanigans even if it would just be research, but still i get into a grey area) this whole field is broken to make actual advances and still staying inside the law.... even if im genuinely interested in that security topics because i wanna know how to better secure (i need to know how to attack, and thats where things get difficult.. i cant possible provide all the different environments there are, but i can just go online and try and have all these environments) oh fuck im interested in security, but there are so many problems like people do things with bad intentions so you cant do the same thing just to lern and discover. you have stupid corporations with huge money which can just reduce you to ash if they figure you out and dont believe you, and many other issues
@nuclearlion
@nuclearlion 9 років тому
Truecrypt isn't only still legit but it's been audited and only minor non-critical flaws have been found. Find the latest good version on Steve Gibson's GRC webpage. Tor is still effective if you know how to use it properly, there are other talks that explain how.
@---do2qd
@---do2qd 6 років тому
These guys were totally unprepared and didn't take the talk very seriously
@leathernluv
@leathernluv 8 років тому
34:25 "Does Snowden recomend any of these vendors?" LMAO!
@lalaland2773
@lalaland2773 7 років тому
no
@Ye4rZero
@Ye4rZero 7 років тому
lol- htf did you hear that?>
@KamilUrbanskiStudio
@KamilUrbanskiStudio 6 років тому
What model are their ibm laptops?
@FreakinKatGaming
@FreakinKatGaming 7 років тому
Def Cons certificate key is the woooh! Yay Def Con that's how you know it's Def Con
@user-in2jf7tx1q
@user-in2jf7tx1q 2 місяці тому
1:20 exactly doing stuff you don't know and some cool thing just happen or pop up at the other side makes all worth it, the right def of hacking
@Christian-gw5hq
@Christian-gw5hq 8 років тому
Anonymity on Tor. I LOL'd. I'm guessing they keep saying that to get more nodes and improve anonymity to a certain point.
@GaryCameron780
@GaryCameron780 9 років тому
I like the mini baby monitor. :)
@qtpie2630
@qtpie2630 5 років тому
The 1337 haxors who can't get audio to work
@PossumMedic
@PossumMedic 4 роки тому
18:28 is exactly why I no longer set/change passwords when I'm intoxicated! :p
@michaelkillies1303
@michaelkillies1303 8 років тому
4:34 what film is it?
@over00lordunknown12
@over00lordunknown12 7 років тому
I see that some people have mentioned this in the comments, but I haven't seen anyone answer the question: What are they wearing on their wrists?
@seniorortega
@seniorortega 7 років тому
Hola me amigos! Como estas? Muy muy taco bien!
@assimonem1189
@assimonem1189 7 років тому
Is apple mac air book compromised i heard ppl say do not use TOR with osx el capitan mac book air(10.11.16) mid 2012 YOU can geta tor on apple apps but it looks mickey mouse,i had the real tor browser on windows xp and used it when navigating the darknet but this el capitan will not load it ,only the apple version(which seems dubious as tor is not owned by apple.Can anyone direct me to the right sites or that direction as i havd been told not to trust apple. I am thinking of buying a small laptop just for the darknet.PRIOR I had accessed and had accounts with the blackmarket sites,SR 2 and BMR .they have changed since though and become more complex.I have studied the basic layouts concerning encrpttion and understand that part.. SO THE QUESTION...i had the tor on my old windows xp now my apple wont download green(old type TOR) and offers This other tor in its apple apps which i dont trust...I am a learner but am smart but need pointing to a general1-10 any help will be respected. I am told Apple have backdoors and connections to the NSA...My windows xp tor worked fine but i cannot download onto my apple. Someone help me out in the spirit of anarchism>> Is that what he means at 41.40 about having a laptop with no hard drive just the needed stuff.
@johnathanbryan5053
@johnathanbryan5053 5 років тому
what is i just wanna search up "tails" like the sonic character would they still put me on a list
@johannsebastianbach3411
@johannsebastianbach3411 5 років тому
Hello my personal FBI agent, I hope you are having a nice day!!
@lostintime9959
@lostintime9959 6 років тому
Def spelt backwards is Fed, food for thought ;)
@elmortobeats5919
@elmortobeats5919 5 років тому
The "Feds" are pulling a "con" on us, def con.
@MatthewHensley8304
@MatthewHensley8304 4 роки тому
@@elmortobeats5919 that actually makes since! they are already spying on everyone
@DeeWeext
@DeeWeext 8 років тому
one of them sounds like the soldier guy with the speach machine, from South park.
@saccamadiqeu2600
@saccamadiqeu2600 3 роки тому
ned
@chriskaprys
@chriskaprys 8 років тому
i've never seen a defcon video that is without technical a/v issues. hmm.
@EpseLepse
@EpseLepse 8 років тому
What does the left guy have on his wrist?
@maverickstclare3756
@maverickstclare3756 4 роки тому
same as the right guy has on his
@David-uu7nl
@David-uu7nl 7 років тому
Shoe on D list bb
@kipras14
@kipras14 8 років тому
"Evolution" Our current favorite Not the best of choices.
@rchaffer
@rchaffer 7 років тому
1:00 is that an England football shirt?
@ZeroKage69
@ZeroKage69 4 роки тому
We cannot confirm or deny the quality of these passports but THEY'RE AMAZING. Lol
@drmikeyg
@drmikeyg 8 років тому
A couple of nice Mormon boys from SLC Ut. LOL
@brandiseroberts5637
@brandiseroberts5637 5 років тому
Man..just the most professional couple of guys to do this talk, huh?
@pinoaffe
@pinoaffe 9 років тому
I would recommend you don't torrent through tor (even though the names sound the same ; ) ) . This is because doing so (torrenting through tor) basicly results in you dos'ing the tor network, and that makes it inbearably slow for other people.
@billklacks9908
@billklacks9908 2 роки тому
Anybody know what the other presentation (in the background) that was seemingly 50x more engaging? Lol jk I liked this
@soldierofChrist238
@soldierofChrist238 8 років тому
what do you mean do not re use identities and passwords? there was no example of what scenario you would do this and why not to .. whats the better way to go about it ? for ex . log into agora .. buy i dont know ... weed .... then what ? make new account and password before buying more weed? or ... once you recieve something with UPS ... now , order new fake id and open new box to get next item ? ( i feel so stupid right now , not sure why i didn't grasp that one lol ) ... would love to talk to these guys some how , they are pretty smart and savvy !
@pissclub
@pissclub 7 років тому
A tor through the darkside of the internet
@user-tr8kr1jd2o
@user-tr8kr1jd2o 4 роки тому
They missed out on the chance to remove the u in the title
@based1922
@based1922 6 років тому
can someone tell me what movie the clip from 34:57 is from
@vladpuriy
@vladpuriy 6 років тому
Big Dank have you really not seen jason bourne?
@based1922
@based1922 6 років тому
i live under a rock man
@thaghost909
@thaghost909 6 років тому
It's the Bourne series. The Bourne Identity, The Bourne Supremacy, The Bourne Ultimatum, etc..
@rodolfopena6099
@rodolfopena6099 6 років тому
All those smart guys around and the equipment always has problems
@David-ud9ju
@David-ud9ju 6 років тому
Just searching for Tails and Tor won't put you on an NSA list. They're not even going to know.
@lain2236ad
@lain2236ad 5 років тому
David they would know but it in of itself doesn’t mean anything.
@michaelodonoghue7464
@michaelodonoghue7464 4 роки тому
Apparently, the use of a Fake Identity in Australia is not illegal unless it is you intention to commit Financial Fraud. So I've heard.
@thekaiser4333
@thekaiser4333 8 років тому
Let's go dark.
@j.g.wentworth5355
@j.g.wentworth5355 7 років тому
LMAO MATT DAMON ON THE LEFT
@elmortobeats5919
@elmortobeats5919 5 років тому
Revenge of the nerds 😋
@pekkalaakso1518
@pekkalaakso1518 8 років тому
These two clowns are just too funny
@ighorabcandido
@ighorabcandido 7 років тому
I am thinking, how the staff let them to talk about a object that we are tired to know? Depressive...
@TheThebrosoldier
@TheThebrosoldier 7 років тому
Ighor Augusto what?
@JustinKoenigSilica
@JustinKoenigSilica 8 років тому
oh god the sad panda hahah
@lilmuskrat66
@lilmuskrat66 6 років тому
Do i need TOR to get on facebook?
@DxBlack
@DxBlack 6 років тому
RIP VIDALIA :(
@andrewhodgson1320
@andrewhodgson1320 8 років тому
Evolution, our current favorite.... oops. ;)
@thisisleah3072
@thisisleah3072 9 років тому
Don't use T>>oR its compromised. Pirate Bay and silk road as well :(
@torbellinochacon9997
@torbellinochacon9997 9 років тому
ThisIsLeah No it isn´t.
@bishishtbhatta6160
@bishishtbhatta6160 7 років тому
what is mirandas web?
@Methylenedream
@Methylenedream 7 років тому
It's a (stupid) joke ... referencing the mariana trench (the deepest part of the known ocean)
@solarpanel8195
@solarpanel8195 7 років тому
its not a joke? its just a pain in the ass to connect to it, and theres No reason to connect to that if youre asking about it..
@Methylenedream
@Methylenedream 7 років тому
Do you know what the Mariana Trench is? Are you being an idiot on purpose because you think you're funny? Or are you just a juvenile yet to be educated on basic geography?
@bishishtbhatta6160
@bishishtbhatta6160 7 років тому
MDMA4LIFE lol
@odingames6549
@odingames6549 4 роки тому
Shinjuku, Demon City.
@InuYasha-SitBoy
@InuYasha-SitBoy 2 роки тому
there are no demo gods, there is only Zuul.
@Jagnathbaba
@Jagnathbaba 5 років тому
Well, that's something. one question that i have is when you are sending details to be put in your "fake" passport aren't you at least giving or disclosing how you look?? XDXD even tor can't change that!!!
@user-in2jf7tx1q
@user-in2jf7tx1q 2 місяці тому
7:40 bro yeah it just keeps coming to your mind, but now in 2024 i think it became a routine shit, no body gives a damn
@LemonChieff
@LemonChieff 8 років тому
tulutulutootoootototooo
@RonJohn63
@RonJohn63 8 років тому
2:32 The word "questionable" is so purposefully vague that phrases like "just who defines what that 'questionable' is can be argued" is such *pretentious* *horse* *shit*. If what they're obliquely trying to say is that it's all manifestly illegal, then it's *obvious* to anyone with three neurons just who defines it as illegal: the legislature and the executive.
@MrOmniblast
@MrOmniblast 8 років тому
+RonJohn63 Yeah but for example, that "Baby Monitor" is questionable, but not illegal, yeah? :)
@RonJohn63
@RonJohn63 8 років тому
MrOmniblast Disgusted by the pretentious horse shit, I stopped watching soon after that point. Thus, I don't know what you're talking about.
@rumfordc
@rumfordc 6 років тому
not everything bad is illegal, and vice versa
@SIGSEGV1337
@SIGSEGV1337 9 років тому
Note: Don't use Tor, it's already been cracked, I have no idea why people are still using it. Edit: I retract this comment, I no longer think Tor itself has been cracked but rather that it is built in such a way that it can only give you so much anonymity
@DarkStar851
@DarkStar851 9 років тому
What? No, it hasn't been cracked. There haven't been any proofs to suggest it's even vulnerable. The Tor "Browser Bundle" on the other hand offers a pretty big attack vector through Mozilla Firefox though. We haven't even seen issues of the state attacking it successfully (besides that NSA op that targeted an old Firefox bug). The internet: You're doing it wrong.
@blinktq1579
@blinktq1579 9 років тому
DarkStar851 Not sure where I read this but I hear you can control 1% of the nodes on the tor network and you can sniff out entrance and exit notes and find the target.
@blinktq1579
@blinktq1579 9 років тому
They do talk about it in the video, I opened my mouth too soon.
@SIGSEGV1337
@SIGSEGV1337 9 років тому
BlinkTQ Yeah I believe it's called a Sybil attack, Lizard Squad managed to get control of 0.2743% of the Tor network a while back using it so it can't be something that's too difficult to do either.
@Assassin73311
@Assassin73311 9 років тому
Tor was "cracked" from the beginning. Not to mention that just by using it gets you on the NSA / CSIS watch list.
@CommunistSpyware
@CommunistSpyware 5 років тому
Grifter Nice 1 m8
@Mechabolic
@Mechabolic 7 років тому
tor is only for hackers on steroids! what do you mean they use sensational names for free hits? :^)
@jasonw2222
@jasonw2222 8 років тому
If i was a dot g0v person i would run a great reddit r/fakeid with great reputation and pricing free shipping and the highest tech sat. tracking included free! But Wait theirs more...... Look it up
@buff_r2135
@buff_r2135 7 років тому
Congratulations! You're fucked if you step out of line! -NSA
@xkxkxkoh
@xkxkxkoh 8 років тому
This talk was garbage. "An Introduction to Tor". In 2014. At Def Con. Two guys thinking they're in-the-loop, going thru shitty fake ID sites and cracking the same tired innuendos about buying contraband. Color me disappointed, this talk would have been appropriate in 2003.
@MrOmniblast
@MrOmniblast 8 років тому
+Alex Wallace "I already know this, so why are they talking about it?"
@hellterminator
@hellterminator 8 років тому
+MrOmniblast In general, you'd have a point but this is _defcon_. Everyone there spent about $1000 ($200 for tickets, $200 for the cheapest room possible, $600 food + travel) to be there. The probability of someone, who's spent a thousand bucks to attend an infosec conference, not knowing what Tor is, is nil.
@MrOmniblast
@MrOmniblast 8 років тому
***** That may be true, but it's now on the internet...and I assume they'd know that? So thousands now get to hear about it who didn't know about it before. Citing the price though, I understand. But this person didn't go there, they're watching it on the net. :)
@hellterminator
@hellterminator 8 років тому
MrOmniblast Well, yeah, but there already is a ton of videos on the Internet explaining Tor (and in a format much more suitable for video streaming sites), so giving this talk at defcon specifically to get it on the Internet doesn't make sense (and if they really wanted to get _their_ talk on UKposts, they could have just uploaded it themselves, they didn't have to present at defcon). And as a defcon talk it's just out of place (an opinion probably shared by the organizers judging by the fact that they were put in the smallest room of the 5).
@MrOmniblast
@MrOmniblast 8 років тому
***** Yeah, no it's fine. I agree now that I know how much money people spend an your point is valid.
@PolakeXD
@PolakeXD 7 років тому
18:21 danger detected :P Never use this crappy os for entering DarkNet... Linux best one MacOS maybe secure but still.. meh :P
@johnnyblazem5326
@johnnyblazem5326 8 років тому
LOL cant even do audio
@midsummernightsdream7504
@midsummernightsdream7504 9 років тому
tour through those guys..they're hot!
@KiLLUMiNATii
@KiLLUMiNATii 7 років тому
Defcon speakers are so awkward :/
@TheFieryluck
@TheFieryluck 8 років тому
evoloution the marketplace got fucked up and robbed
@sean-nw5uy
@sean-nw5uy 7 років тому
Most of those shop are scam ...
@mamshar4513
@mamshar4513 7 років тому
Its defcon 22 and this chumps is still talking about tor like its some new shit. Why did they even got a slot?
@-AT-WALKER
@-AT-WALKER 7 років тому
To help everybody catch up and spread the knowledge, serious question what have you done to help the cause?
@DxBlack
@DxBlack 7 років тому
It's 2016 (almost 2017)...and most people still don't know what Bitcoin is or what it does. New sec students and workers straight out of school may not even know what TOR is either. Don't be a twat.
@croquet93
@croquet93 7 років тому
metrics.torproject.org/userstats-relay-country.html if people don't know the basic why they bother using it.? it's super slow and only tech savy like it anyway.simple and basic stuff like this make the haystack getting bigger and no most people did't use it
@mamshar4513
@mamshar4513 7 років тому
I guess what I'm trying to say is I expect more from a talk @defcon since most of the talks are geared towards relatively new stuff or interesting things that most people don't know. TOR being the subject is fine but again, the keyword is "relatively new" and "not a lot of people know". You can just as easily find this information everywhere on the internet and I bet most of the people there already knew many of this stuff. I guess my wording maybe a bit harsh, maybe I'm a bit repulsed by their attitude of "look we're top shit, we're on teh deep web hacking stuff" while presenting mediocre content.
@David-ud9ju
@David-ud9ju 6 років тому
You're the one being the twat here. These talks at Defcon are meant for people who go to Defcon and then they're also uploaded to UKposts. Everyone at Defcon should already know about Tor and Bitcoin.
@bobndweave8539
@bobndweave8539 9 років тому
tor was created by the us gov lol..... and you all use it? are you nuts lol
@TheApatheticGuy
@TheApatheticGuy 8 років тому
+Bobnd Weave you should look up the origins of the internet, specifically the ARPANET.
@MrWorld-hc5rs
@MrWorld-hc5rs 7 років тому
Just by using facebook and google they know who you are, so stop crying about Tor's anonymity.
@assimonem1189
@assimonem1189 7 років тому
LOL iwould not get stuff sent to a crack house...it would get stolen!!
@hacactus
@hacactus 7 років тому
hack some audio company in order to get a decent audio sistem...
@stevenyates715
@stevenyates715 8 років тому
we already have crypto currency, it's called CASH! No paper trail :)
@PhantomZtryker
@PhantomZtryker 8 років тому
Why are these guys even on stage? This is /b/ levels of embarrassing.
@tecmedimagen
@tecmedimagen 8 років тому
What?
@bishopdante
@bishopdante 8 років тому
+PhantomZtryker look at their watches
@numkie
@numkie 7 років тому
+Da Bishop holy shit they're Feds!
@KafkasCat
@KafkasCat 5 років тому
MSPP gave it away first :P
@trieulieuf9
@trieulieuf9 3 роки тому
31:30 He predicted Trump will be the next president.
@dn5426
@dn5426 7 років тому
get superfished
@DownWhereWeBelong
@DownWhereWeBelong 7 років тому
Cringefest
@magicbeanz2876
@magicbeanz2876 8 років тому
i hope they did not get paid for this talk. i could of done this in half the time and people would of left like they learned something. this 2 guysare just basically saying we use tor and buy shady shit online.. not much learning going on. but promoting shady websites... these are the type of guys who own these shady sites. eitherway they have made them morefamous looks like there promoting there business........ these 2 guys are the owners of some of them markets for sure.
@brandiseroberts5637
@brandiseroberts5637 5 років тому
These guys ARE the incarnation of CRINGE! Ugh!! :(
@web2yt488
@web2yt488 6 років тому
Boo for the long boring intro
@mato_fato_ma-ah-fala-falafel
@mato_fato_ma-ah-fala-falafel 6 років тому
These guys are seriously failed comedians.
@David-ud9ju
@David-ud9ju 6 років тому
Most of these Defcon videos are terribly presented. The content is always pretty good, but unfortunately these nerds are conforming to stereotype and can't communicate very well. Not to mention that they clearly don't get any time to practice on stage beforehand based on how much always goes wrong. They always present like they're just hanging out with their mates at the pub. The vast majority of them clearly don't know how to present professionally to a large audience.
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