Destruction of the Athenian Fleet - Greatest Military Disaster of Antiquity

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Kings and Generals historical animated documentary series on the history of ancient civilizations and Ancient Greece continues with the first episode of our series on the Peloponnesian War, as we see how Athens and Sparta leading the Delian and Peloponnesian Leagues in one of the most brutal wars the ancient Hellenes fought. In the first video we talked about why and how the war started and described the siege of Potidaea in 432 BC ( • How and Why the Pelopo... ). The second episode talked about the siege of Plataea of 429-427 BC ( • Plataea 429-427 BC - P... ), while the third concentrated on the Battle of Pylos of 425 BC ( • Battle of Pylos 425 BC... ). The battle of Amphipolis 422 BC ended the Archidamian War with the Peace of Nicias ( • Battle of Amphipolis 4... ), but this was hardly the end as both the Athens and Sparta were eager to square off again, leading to the battle of Mantinea. We also talked about the famous Melian Dialogue, which is very important for the understanding of the ancient Greek thought ( • Battle of Mantinea 418... ). The lull in the war was followed by the Sicilian Expedition - possibly the greatest military disaster of Antiquity.
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Script: Christos Nicolaou
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00:00 Introductions
01:44 Background and Geopolitical Overview of Sicily
02:18 Athens' Military Intervention in Sicily
03:12 Initial Strategies and Diplomacy
05:21 The First Battle and Initial Successes
07:38 Reinforcements and Siege of Syracuse
09:26 Naval Battles and Reversals of Fortune
11:48 Retreat and Demise
17:56 Reflection and Conclusion
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@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 9 місяців тому
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@kicitorun
@kicitorun 9 місяців тому
​@@L17_8i love you, the end!
@georgepatton93
@georgepatton93 9 місяців тому
This expedition is the poster child for "THE WORST CASE" scenario, wrong timing, wrong strategy, wrong tactics, miscommunication, etc.
@thatoneguy5856
@thatoneguy5856 9 місяців тому
Plus the general that had the actual plan was MIA due to politics
@noname-bk7bc
@noname-bk7bc 9 місяців тому
I think the post mortem of this is one of the most beautiful things written in a history
@MiguelPerez-zx2wg
@MiguelPerez-zx2wg 9 місяців тому
Don't worry. Someone will top this off within 2,356 years later.
@Redactedredacted5837
@Redactedredacted5837 9 місяців тому
@@MiguelPerez-zx2wg Be prepared for angry Wehraboos.
@johnmatthews2553
@johnmatthews2553 8 місяців тому
The Spartans sending reinforcements to Syracuse really gets me. They did everything in their power to make it difficult for Athens. Corinth helped Syracuse as well..
@iexist3919
@iexist3919 9 місяців тому
Ah yes, the infamous Sicilian Expedition. Everything that could’ve gone wrong did.
@user-sc5iv2rp2t
@user-sc5iv2rp2t 9 місяців тому
The Syracusans spared only those Athenians that knew verses from the tragedies of Euripedes. Thucidides says that for years veterans would kiss Euripedes hands on the street because he saved them from the quarries.
@olamideolanrewaju4005
@olamideolanrewaju4005 8 місяців тому
Why spare those who knew verses from Euripedes?
@user-sc5iv2rp2t
@user-sc5iv2rp2t 8 місяців тому
@@olamideolanrewaju4005 Because he was the superstar poet of the era known to all the Greek world.
@ChrisTheLoneWanderer
@ChrisTheLoneWanderer 9 місяців тому
The most important thing about the Sicilian Expedition is probably the importance of consensus and cooperation in operations. The lack of cohesion amongst Athenian generals was one of the major reasons for the expedition's failure. But war is always political, and there were situations when Athens could have chosen differently. The world has changed massively since then, but this remains a constant. Also important is showing how overstretching oneself makes for terrible consequences. Athens's over-investment in Sicily caused problems when the war resumed fully. The geopolitical implications of this are also important; most of Magna Graecia was now off Athens's influence, and the city itself was more dependent on its allies. This will bite them back later in the war.
@user-nl4mm4gd8q
@user-nl4mm4gd8q 9 місяців тому
Do you want to talk about kurdistan?☺️
@samuelmargueret9626
@samuelmargueret9626 9 місяців тому
You got some heavy knowledge on your side dude !! Love that
@64standardtrickyness
@64standardtrickyness 8 місяців тому
Prof Rufus Fears claimed that Nikias in his letter asking for more help asked the expedition leave instead is that true?
@alexischatzipoulios1803
@alexischatzipoulios1803 8 місяців тому
Nikias never had a warm spot for the expedition from its conception in the minds of the politicians,the fever that overtook the people in the streets of Athens(bakers were offering croissants in the shape of the island,prostitutes were asking coyly customers what will they bring to them ,when they return victorious with spoils),and his speech before the assembly was a desperate attempt-yet in vain-to dissuade his fellow citizens from what he saw as an impending disaster.He gambled big time in his speech,overstreching the demands for the expedition in the form of absolute necessities and requirements,hoping inwardly to meet the rejection of the Athenian Demos.Dumbfounded,he was struck with a resounding O.K!(Comme on,Nikias,do not tell us why we will lose,but instead what we need in order to win>>Alcibiades,yours trully
@JRGProjects
@JRGProjects 9 місяців тому
Spartan Diplomat: The Athenians will create a United States of Force! Americans: Can we use that name?
@dand7763
@dand7763 8 місяців тому
European Union TODAY: United States of Europe (under the german rule)
@samuelmargueret9626
@samuelmargueret9626 9 місяців тому
The fact that sicily has been so much contested in Europe through the ages is just crazy !! Greeks , Normans , italians , romans , spanish and others .... i Wonder how many people died for sicily !! Love your vidéo as always
@AhmedAshraf-ue6yz
@AhmedAshraf-ue6yz 9 місяців тому
even arabs
@geordiejones5618
@geordiejones5618 9 місяців тому
Might be the single most strategic island on the planet. Control it, and you will historically control most if not all of the Mediterranean. At least up through WW2. Right now I'd say the Panama/Suez canals and Taiwan are what I'd call the most significant military targets for the 21st century and the US has by far the best foothold on all three with its global navy.
@wilkannen8346
@wilkannen8346 8 місяців тому
The funny thing is as soon as anyone takes Sicily, they begin ignoring it.
@Liamtheseriousguy
@Liamtheseriousguy 8 місяців тому
Carthaginians, brits and americans too!
@schroedingersdog7965
@schroedingersdog7965 9 місяців тому
14:07 This lunar eclipse (when "Gaia hid Selene from her brother, Helios") took place on the evening of August 28, 413 BCE. The eclipse was total, with the total phase lasting 43 minutes. As seen from Syracuse, the middle (darkest part) of the eclipse occurred at about 11:00 PM. Depending on the weather, another lunar eclipse would have been visible from Syracuse nearly 6 months earlier - on the evening of March 4. I cannot help but wonder what effect - if any - this almost total eclipse had on the Athenian invasion.
@Gronk79
@Gronk79 9 місяців тому
Great comment! Could the ancients, however, even predict a lunar eclipse?
@schroedingersdog7965
@schroedingersdog7965 8 місяців тому
@@Gronk79 Ancient Babylonian astronomers certainly predicted lunar eclipses - we have their cuneiform-inscribed baked clay tablets listing accurately predicted eclipses hundreds of years in their future. Eclipses occur in regular cycles (the "saros"), so predicting the dates of future lunar eclipses isn't difficult if you have records of the dates of past eclipses, as the Babylonians did.
@barbiquearea
@barbiquearea 9 місяців тому
Alcibiades's father had old connections with the Spartan aristocracy. Alcibiades himself was said to have been breastfed by a Spartan wet nurse in his infancy (Spartan girls were highly sought after as wet nurses). This connection may have made it easy for him to defect to Sparta and ingratiate himself into their society and be accepted and adored by the elites of Sparta.
@circleancopan7748
@circleancopan7748 9 місяців тому
While most of his time, he served Athens with all his heart. But what Athenians gave to his loyalty in exchange? Suspicion and utter contempt.
@cal2127
@cal2127 9 місяців тому
​@@circleancopan7748honestly thats one of the major flaws of democracy. anyone who does well is usually driven out by infighting by minor oligarchs who feel threatened.
@mikkelsieburg89
@mikkelsieburg89 8 місяців тому
@@cal2127 This is not even close to be uniqe to democracys
@jimhjortsberg2990
@jimhjortsberg2990 8 місяців тому
​@@circleancopan7748 He seemed to have known that the charges was mostly just a political conspiracy against him anyway. He actually tried to have the trial done prior to leaving which the court refused to do. And the fact that he was convicted in absentia and condemned to death with an entire talent worth of gold offered to whoever managed to kill him might have proved him right....
@devereuxbirdzell
@devereuxbirdzell 8 місяців тому
I find it absolutely incredible that we're able to understand battles fought almost 2500 years ago. It's just wonderful.
@philtkaswahl2124
@philtkaswahl2124 9 місяців тому
"Y'know, boys, it occurs to me we might have read that eclipse just a little bit wrong."
@voiceofthevoid1477
@voiceofthevoid1477 9 місяців тому
I have been following you guy from college-my time being a history teacher. This channel is like my new Saturday morning cartoons, amazing work!
@jimmyandersson9938
@jimmyandersson9938 9 місяців тому
Athens controlling entire Aegean sea and the coast of Anatolia but sending their army to Sicily and dying is like watching a guy with money enough to be set for life gamble away everything on a slot machine.
@panagiotis7946
@panagiotis7946 7 місяців тому
e great plan was the unification of the entire Greek world to deal with the Persian danger
@schoolofgrowthhacking
@schoolofgrowthhacking 9 місяців тому
Athens should have begun preparing their exit strategy as soon as enemy reinforcements began to pour in. Waiting 27 days to withdraw was a fatal mistake.
@MelkromisteinWeeb
@MelkromisteinWeeb 9 місяців тому
Alkibiades is one of my favourite historical personalities because he lived one of the most ridiculous political lives. I'd hate his guts when he'd be a politician today, but in retrospective he's a charismatic leader who is actually able to back up his charisma, as he was also a good general which will be noticed a bit later in the war when he keeps Athens alive for a few more years.
@dingusdean1905
@dingusdean1905 9 місяців тому
He was a mad lad in the purest sense of the term
@user-nz1eu8cz1d
@user-nz1eu8cz1d 8 місяців тому
@@dingusdean1905 but very popular with the ladies as we will see in the future.
@mikloshoffer282
@mikloshoffer282 8 місяців тому
I tend to agree on that. Also, I am under the impression that later in his life he had overcome a lot of his earlier character flaws. The fact that his past finally caught up with him when he had actually become a better man, to me gives great depth to his story with an abundance of both glory and tragedy.
@user-nz1eu8cz1d
@user-nz1eu8cz1d 8 місяців тому
@@mikloshoffer282 there is a fine historical novel with the title ''My Master Alkiviades''. It's his life viewed by his personnal servant as this aspect of Alkiviades as you described it. Sadly for most of the readers is in greek.
@mikloshoffer282
@mikloshoffer282 8 місяців тому
@@user-nz1eu8cz1d Thank you, I see it in English as well. With a band of mine we did a cycle based on The Rise and Fall of Athens by Plutarch.
@matthewj6154
@matthewj6154 8 місяців тому
The Syracusans were hugh fans of theatre and Athenian plays. Apparently the only way to get out of the quarry was to be able to recite a play in a way that the locals found suitably entertaining.
@FalseNomen
@FalseNomen 9 місяців тому
Learning about this is what made think that maybe the Athenians weren't the 'good guys' in the war. >What do you do when you're a democracy fighting an autocracy breathing down your neck? Launch a surprise invasion against a neutral democracy on the other side of the Greek world, of course.< Everything about this was a mess. Athena surely withdrew her favor in the fiasco that followed.
@starbreeze7249
@starbreeze7249 9 місяців тому
Athens had its share of good guy moments and bad guy moments depending on the leader. It was a time ot strife, it was hard to be the good guy. What the Greeks came to learn, however, was it was better to be ruled by Athenians than it was by Spartans. Of course in the end it was Thebes and Sparta who were essentially completely wiped out, while Athens continued on
@Jaco059
@Jaco059 9 місяців тому
Makes you question the infallibility of democracy which the modern politician in America does so without question. If the leaders of your democracy don’t have to follow the will of the people then you basically aren’t a democracy anymore. And who holds the leaders accountable the people are supposed to but you can’t fix the problems quick enough and if they don’t care to listen to the people then what’s the point.
@Jaco059
@Jaco059 9 місяців тому
⁠@@starbreeze7249but they lost the war and were basically occupied by Sparta and Thebes for years. The Athenians would never gain the power they had pre 400 bc and were eventually forced into joining Alexander.
@al-muwaffaq341
@al-muwaffaq341 9 місяців тому
There was no good guys in this war. Sparta and Athens committed atrocities.
@markcoroneos7811
@markcoroneos7811 9 місяців тому
@@Jaco059it comes down to the break up of the “leagues” following the war and the theban hegemony. Sparta had its back broken after leuctra, losing messenia effectively broke their society. Without the helot slaves, spartans were never able to project power the way they could prior. Hence why they stayed inactive during the rise of macedonia. Athens lost its delian league and suffered for a time, but was still able to capitalise on their economic and naval strength. Their society wasnt dismantled as would happen to sparta. They, along with thebes, we’re constantly checking phillip’s expansionism until he decisively defeated them at chaeronea.
@davidhughes8357
@davidhughes8357 9 місяців тому
A really good description of the Epipolae Plateau fortifications particularly the Euralus Fort was in Peter Connelly's excellent Illustrated book Greece and Rome at war. Years ago I lost my extensive library of ancient military history in a house fire and am still working to replace the most important ones.
@jonbaxter2254
@jonbaxter2254 9 місяців тому
We need a Total War from this period.
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 9 місяців тому
Wrath of Sparta DLC does a good job
@jonbaxter2254
@jonbaxter2254 9 місяців тому
Thanks, will check it out! @@KingsandGenerals
@davidhughes8357
@davidhughes8357 9 місяців тому
Many years ago when I first began studying ancient military history I saw a description of the fortifications of the Epipolae Plateau at Syracuse. Have never forgot that and it would be very welcome to see a follow up on it.
@vitorpereira9515
@vitorpereira9515 9 місяців тому
Basically excessive ambition, lack of adequate preparation, ineffective leadership, Sicilian resistance and adverse conditions all contributed to the Athenian defeat. Lack of resources, coordination, and local support, along with resistance from Sicilian cities, made it impossible for Athens to conquer Sicily. This defeat marked the beginning of the decline of Athens.
@user-nl4mm4gd8q
@user-nl4mm4gd8q 9 місяців тому
Do you want to about kurdistan?☺️
@kingt0295
@kingt0295 9 місяців тому
You said the same thing twice there lol
@br0k3nman
@br0k3nman 8 місяців тому
Sounds like Ruzzia in Ukraine. 😹
@panagiotis7946
@panagiotis7946 7 місяців тому
the great plan was the unification of the entire Greek world to deal with the Persian danger If Alcibiades had not been hunted by the oligarchs and led the campaign it would have been a complete success Alcibiades was a great strategic mind Nikias did not believe in the campaign and entered into a great adventure
@shehansenanayaka3046
@shehansenanayaka3046 9 місяців тому
Kings and genrals is my fav history channel. Brilliant as alwys. We always appreciate your hard work and dedication towards these videos. Your fan from Sri Lanka ❤️.
@Mrkabrat
@Mrkabrat 8 місяців тому
Its even funnier once you consider one of Pericles' advice was "As long as we don't launch ourselves into the conquest of new lands and focus on our naval dominance, war shall go well for us". Guess Alcibiades wanted glory no matter what
@theawesomeman9821
@theawesomeman9821 8 місяців тому
HBO should make a historical drama series for the Greek states like it did for Rome.
@joeltochukwu4199
@joeltochukwu4199 8 місяців тому
Was thinking about this the other day. We seem to have a lot of movies/series based on ancient Rome than ancient Greece. No idea why. History like the Diadochi wars with its plethora of characters, plots and subplots, betrayals can be made a series with equal standing with GoT.
@theawesomeman9821
@theawesomeman9821 8 місяців тому
@@joeltochukwu4199 I think people are just more aware about Rome because it was an ancient super power
@joeltochukwu4199
@joeltochukwu4199 8 місяців тому
@@theawesomeman9821 Yes you are right. But the Greeks were a superpower too. Well, maybe superpower is not the word, but they were very very influential in classical history and antiquity and with so many stories and characters, I'm surprised we don't have much film/series production about them.
@theawesomeman9821
@theawesomeman9821 8 місяців тому
@@joeltochukwu4199 there was that biopic of Alexander the Great played by Collin Feral, 300, and the movie Troy which starred Brad Pit for Greek content.
@luke3807
@luke3807 9 місяців тому
Quality content as usual. According to Plutarch, Syracuse and a few surrounding cities were founded by Greeks from Corinth.
@jozzieokes3422
@jozzieokes3422 9 місяців тому
It always gets better every episode!
@joshlesure3196
@joshlesure3196 9 місяців тому
This channel continues to feed my interest/passion for history with each and every video, so keep it up!
@queldron
@queldron 9 місяців тому
One of the best episodes ever released by Kings and Generals imo! (and I have seen all videos regarding ancient/medieval history) Also, I can't wait for your video about the Ten Thousand!
@CoreyANeal2000
@CoreyANeal2000 9 місяців тому
17:06 I love how they go into how one of the leaders didn't want to kill the othersides, but his side was too angry.
@queldron
@queldron 9 місяців тому
@@CoreyANeal2000 Yeah, a chivalry move that didn't "move" the Syracusans.
@legioabchao14
@legioabchao14 8 місяців тому
"...as Gaia hid Selena from her brother, Helios." That was beautiful K&G. Congrats !
@grapeshott
@grapeshott 9 місяців тому
Alcebiades is a character in Plato's Symposium. Handsome and talented man, but he crushed on the ugly yet intelligent Socrates.
@user-nl4mm4gd8q
@user-nl4mm4gd8q 9 місяців тому
Do you want to talk about kurdistan?☺️
@user-nz1eu8cz1d
@user-nz1eu8cz1d 8 місяців тому
Well done and very descriptive video. Actually Nikias asked from Athens to be relieved of his command and and permission to abandon the campaign.Instead he received reinforcements with Demosthenes. When one of the most heartbreaking moments as described by Thucidides was when during the athenian retreat, the sick and wounded warriors cried and begged their fellow soldiers not to abandon them. Another intersting fact is that some Athenians survived the quarries by reciting verses of Aeschylus and other great poets of Athens.
@Hadrexus
@Hadrexus 8 місяців тому
WHY IZ YOU WHISPERIN YA GIT
@user-nz1eu8cz1d
@user-nz1eu8cz1d 8 місяців тому
@@Hadrexus
@kmystak
@kmystak 9 місяців тому
At last, I was waiting for this for so long!
@kendallcribbins415
@kendallcribbins415 9 місяців тому
You guys have the best youtube channels by far! Wizards and warriors is just as awesome!
@leeboy26
@leeboy26 9 місяців тому
Well Age Of Empires didn't have it entirely wrong with the incessent wall building.
@robbabcock_
@robbabcock_ 9 місяців тому
Thanks for sharing these fantastic videos! ⚔🔥🙌
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 9 місяців тому
Thanks for watching!
@christopheradam5816
@christopheradam5816 9 місяців тому
I see you there, little guy. Tiny little Rome all tucked away, bet he must be amazed at all these big fish swimming around him.
@roihanfadhil2879
@roihanfadhil2879 9 місяців тому
I like when you include phrases about Greek mythology in your video narration on the minute 12:47, 14:10, and 16:04. Maybe the Athenians didn't have the blessing of Hermes and Ares so their expedition had to totally fail!
@user-nl4mm4gd8q
@user-nl4mm4gd8q 9 місяців тому
Do you want to talk about kurdistan?☺️
@user-nl4mm4gd8q
@user-nl4mm4gd8q 9 місяців тому
Do you want to talk about kurdistan?☺️
@unknowguy9642
@unknowguy9642 9 місяців тому
Yeah i really like that line about Gaia hiding Selene from Helios. It sound just like something the ancient Greek scholar would say😂😂
@PrimeroVorian1
@PrimeroVorian1 8 місяців тому
Thank you!
@Harrier_DuBois
@Harrier_DuBois 8 місяців тому
Excellent video!
@Jesse_Dawg
@Jesse_Dawg 8 місяців тому
Please more videos. I love these
@-RONNIE
@-RONNIE 9 місяців тому
Thank you for the quality information in this video
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 9 місяців тому
Thanks for watching!
@-RONNIE
@-RONNIE 9 місяців тому
@@KingsandGenerals of course
@EiHelveta
@EiHelveta 8 місяців тому
Bruh all these walls make Caesars' wall game look weak.
@Aginor88
@Aginor88 8 місяців тому
Interesting as per usual from this channel.
@BaldricOutremer
@BaldricOutremer 8 місяців тому
The Sicilian expedition really illustrates the downsides of having a strong reputation as an imperialistic power. Plenty of Sicilian cities disliked Syracuse and might have allied with Athens if it hadn't been so obvious that Athens meant to conquer the entire island. On a different subject, I think we can safely say that the dumbest man in the entire story was the soothsayer who thought it was a good idea to have an army desperate to retreat just sit on its hands for an entire month.
@charlesdeleo4608
@charlesdeleo4608 8 місяців тому
As an Italian-American, I love studying this part of the Peloponnesian War, because the Athenians stupidly brought the war to Italy. And this was when Syracuse was at the height of its power, and would continue to rise under Dionysius I, until the rising might of Rome came on the scene 200 years later.
@panagiotis7946
@panagiotis7946 7 місяців тому
Athens lost the war from the pandemic at the very beginning half the population died or marched as well as the great figure of Pericles of the experienced Athenian crews of the ships, almost 60% died That's where the war was lost
@deangajraj
@deangajraj 9 місяців тому
The Peloponnesian War, an ever-present reminder of the pitfalls of grand ambitions and hubris, is entrenched in the annals of history. Allured by his own skillful tactics and charismatic charm, Alcibiades led the Athenian fleet into the Sicilian Expedition, embodying the Icarus myth. Herein lies a reverberating warning: empires blinded by their power all too often ignore telling portents. Such was the case for Athens in Sicily - similar to that of Achaemenids in Greece or Soviets in Afghanistan - driven onward despite history's subtle murmurs. Through Syracuse's heroes, Sparta's adversaries, and Alcibiades' own risings and fallings; we read of imperiousness, betrayal and ultimately the downfall of greatness itself. Thucydides repeatedly reminded us that heeding not these warnings invites similar fates: what has been will come around again "not in exactly the same form but following predictable lines."
@panagiotis7946
@panagiotis7946 7 місяців тому
athena did not have an empire what athena tried was the union of the greek cities for better protection of the greek world from the persian danger
@RobertaPeck
@RobertaPeck 5 місяців тому
Your aerial visuals during the lecture masterly inable understanding !!!!
@MarouenAK
@MarouenAK 8 місяців тому
Good documentary, i was somehow surprised by the expression : heavely armoured light troops
@garthrogers2269
@garthrogers2269 9 місяців тому
'There is nothing so terrible as a battle lost, except a battle won.' - Sir Arthur Wellesly.
@MM22966
@MM22966 8 місяців тому
I never thought about it before, but it is a strange twist of fate that the exact same locale that was the turning point of the Peloponnesian Wars was the same place the Punic Wars started. One ended Athens, the other Carthage.
@denniscleary7580
@denniscleary7580 9 місяців тому
This was a pleasant surprise this morning, now I can have a good 👍
@CliffCardi
@CliffCardi 8 місяців тому
Delian League: “We suffered the greatest defeat in Antiquity.” Gaius Terentius Varro: “Hold my wine.”
@richardstone5552
@richardstone5552 8 місяців тому
Thank you
@LocalHeretic-ck1kd
@LocalHeretic-ck1kd 8 місяців тому
Many years ago I read a book by Peter Green about Alcibiades and the Sicilian Expedition. It was a good book that taught me a lot.
@dennisgichohi5392
@dennisgichohi5392 8 місяців тому
There is a saying in swahili that says.....mtaka yote hukosa yote.Athenians were a perfect example
@Insectoid_
@Insectoid_ 8 місяців тому
Awesome 👏
@1987MartinT
@1987MartinT 9 місяців тому
I, personally, consider the Sicilian Expedition to have been as big of a disaster for Athens as the battle of Stalingrad was for Nazi Germany, if not a bigger disaster.
@generalhorse493
@generalhorse493 8 місяців тому
I think the Nazis made an equally big disaster, but arguably that was Barbarossa, not Stalingrad. Stalingrad was a continuation of the mess that the Nazis got themselves into, Barbarossa was a unmitigated disaster that ended their trade deal with the Soviets that was giving them much needed oil, opened a second front requiring them to dedicate most of their resources where they hadn't to previously, they did almost no intelligence gathering or strategic planning beforehand, assumed their enemy would just collapse in on themselves in several weeks, they ignored their logistics despite going into the biggest land empire in human history, assumed they would capture the railway system intact, and had fewer planes ready for the invasion than at the start of the Battle of Britain, and in 4 months of combat all they had to show for it was losing 75-80% of their panzers and 1 million men, more men than America and Britain lost during the entire war.
@jimweights8908
@jimweights8908 8 місяців тому
Fascinating the Syracuse flag is same as Isle of Man. And it’s not a coincidence but direct connection
@michaelsinger4638
@michaelsinger4638 9 місяців тому
This was a case of “everything that could go wrong, DID go wrong.” What a clusterf***.
@damienm
@damienm 9 місяців тому
This Peloponnesian War is one of your best series!
@spear-slayer3159
@spear-slayer3159 9 місяців тому
Imagine being in the last trireme out of Syracuse listening to "Fortunate Son"
@beachboy0505
@beachboy0505 9 місяців тому
Excellent video Watched it 3x A great story every expeditionary force commanders should know. Keep your lines of retreat open. Have an exit policy, control the politics (1940, Dunkirk)
@matts7125
@matts7125 8 місяців тому
Wow that’s crazy to imagine athens controlling Sicily and Carthage and eventually clashing with rome
@roysobak1421
@roysobak1421 9 місяців тому
9:21 Heavily armored light troops. Also known as bipolar army.
@321AlterSchwede
@321AlterSchwede 9 місяців тому
I see a similarity to the war of germany against russia in second world war. In both cases, a land choose to wage another war to get ressources instead of finishing their arch enemy first. In both cases probably the countrys could not win their first war - germany could not invade england and athen could not invade sparta - so they tried a gamble in another war - theater to gain more ressources for the first war.
@adrianrafaelmagana804
@adrianrafaelmagana804 8 місяців тому
Will there ever be a 1st Punic War series or a serious on the Punic Sicilian wars with this level of detail?
@kennethwebber8159
@kennethwebber8159 9 місяців тому
I still think they need to make a movie on Alcibiades' life. Maybe get Armando Iannucci to direct it.
@zoeking8320
@zoeking8320 9 місяців тому
You should cover xenophon and the March of the ten thousand
@franciscovelasco5422
@franciscovelasco5422 9 місяців тому
It’s on patreon
@LuckyLonewolf
@LuckyLonewolf 9 місяців тому
Shout out to my Sicilian Vikings ~ Y Haplogroup I1
@pauloboyle477
@pauloboyle477 8 місяців тому
I am just so confused as to why both sides would leave the harbor that open!! How could both sides move that freely thru there
@talebmalainine
@talebmalainine 9 місяців тому
Mad Punic wars is exclusive for members and it was me who asked 😢
@tomriley5790
@tomriley5790 8 місяців тому
HAve to feel sorry for Nikius, he really didn't deserve that.
@morenauer
@morenauer 9 місяців тому
Whod've'thunk that ancient Sicily would have a Japanese sword. Katana wtf.
@JBRAI22
@JBRAI22 9 місяців тому
Quick animation mistake at 7:11, someone’s foot is sticking through their shield
@dsspryg
@dsspryg 9 місяців тому
I have subscribed to this channel since the beginning. but this channel has changed to prioritize membership. I try to support this channel as much as I can by viewing and not skipping ads, but that doesn't mean anything. When the pacific war series was no longer free it made me a little disappointed, and realized that "you don't support a channel if you don't pay", "you don't support a channel if you are poor". But that's how things are now, thank you for providing information about history so far.
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals 9 місяців тому
We never said anything like that. The goal is to keep the production going. Everyone still gets at least 3 free videos per week.
@JamesYork-jy2tl
@JamesYork-jy2tl 8 місяців тому
@@KingsandGenerals the thing is it’s early access tell your subs that they think they never gonna watch them
@ShaneHasPlayz
@ShaneHasPlayz 9 місяців тому
Lol we get early access for a video we alr have access to in members only vids
@user-nl4mm4gd8q
@user-nl4mm4gd8q 9 місяців тому
Do you want to talk about kurdistan?☺️
@Squall17x
@Squall17x 7 місяців тому
"I said, you wouldn't have had much fun In Sicily, mr. Alcibiades"
@al-muwaffaq341
@al-muwaffaq341 9 місяців тому
Lamachus definitely had the best plan of attack.
@theadventuresofnekosnowbal7285
@theadventuresofnekosnowbal7285 8 місяців тому
Wise words by Herodotus of Halicarnasus at the very end. Millenia have passed and technology has advanced, but human nature has not changed all that much.
@hoofie7371
@hoofie7371 8 місяців тому
How they didn't name that expedition "The Walling Contest" is beyond me.
@abhishek_sikarwar
@abhishek_sikarwar 8 місяців тому
RELEASE THE PUNIC WARS SERIES TO NON MEMBERS PLEASE🙏
@constantinexii8182
@constantinexii8182 8 місяців тому
So there were about 80.000 Greeks fighting in Sicily 😭
@willfungusman8666
@willfungusman8666 9 місяців тому
When will the HBO version come out
@BigBossXCV
@BigBossXCV 9 місяців тому
With every character black and gay?
@willfungusman8666
@willfungusman8666 8 місяців тому
@@BigBossXCV Jo every character is trans with 3 b holes
@zodd0001
@zodd0001 8 місяців тому
Syracusan celebrated with an opera invented for the occasion: " Etnee ", but unfortunately it has been lost.
@DaHuuudge
@DaHuuudge 8 місяців тому
Hey Athens: the strong do what they can, and the weak endure what they must. 🤷‍♂️
@pilomalik9696
@pilomalik9696 7 місяців тому
I wrote a screenplay on Alcibiades
@napoleonibonaparte7198
@napoleonibonaparte7198 8 місяців тому
Ancient military strats: Walling. AoE2 was accurate all this time...
@oneillconnorg
@oneillconnorg 8 місяців тому
What Rome 2 mods were used?
@mercenarygundam1487
@mercenarygundam1487 8 місяців тому
Murphy's law: military expedition edition
@curranlakhani
@curranlakhani 9 місяців тому
The similarities between this battle and the Battle of Dyracchium are too obvious to ignore.....
@jramseier
@jramseier 8 місяців тому
"while his counterpart ATHENAgorus considered fear of the ATHENians to be unsound" SUS
@georgie064
@georgie064 9 місяців тому
Wait i dont get it, according to the numbers given, athens had around 15 thousand men. The casualties however, are at over 40.000. ks this counting sailors too or is it simply reinforcements that weren't mentioned?
@brokenbridge6316
@brokenbridge6316 9 місяців тому
The Athenians really should've have launched that campaign into Sicily.
@circleancopan7748
@circleancopan7748 9 місяців тому
Athens got beat in many reasons: 1) Syracuse was having enough of Athenians aiding their rivals. 2) Peloponnesian League are more than happy to help Syracuse. 3) Athenian commanders were the gloryhound kind. 4) The Athenian naval supremacy were useless.
@pilomalik9696
@pilomalik9696 7 місяців тому
Let me send you guys my screenplay on Alcibiades. The first season is already written.
@nhandinh7404
@nhandinh7404 9 місяців тому
7:50
@masterofmuppets357
@masterofmuppets357 26 днів тому
I think Fortnite took some inspiration from the constant walls being built to block other walls from being built.
@Moribus_Artibus
@Moribus_Artibus 9 місяців тому
O wisdom-loving Athens! Why let clumsy Alcibiades fool you!? 🦉
@paladinbob1236
@paladinbob1236 9 місяців тому
alcibiades was a little two faced in his deals with boths sides..the supreme politican perhaps? [winks] but loving the series :)
@pimppvevo9225
@pimppvevo9225 9 місяців тому
@kingsandGeneral we need some new ottoman videos and Mongol videos For example the Ottoman 2nd siege of vienna up till now that haven't been cover on a video and how the Ottoman empire took over Crimea
@user-nl4mm4gd8q
@user-nl4mm4gd8q 9 місяців тому
Do you want to talk about kurdistan?☺️
@cagdas135
@cagdas135 8 місяців тому
@@user-nl4mm4gd8q Do you want to talk about salad?
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