Seat belts can cause injury but they do more good than harm!

Good fucking point

Amazing way to put it. Puts her reasonings to shame

B-but you see! My daghter suffrs from an aibag allargy. That's why airbogs should be ellegal! It is a unethical thingy and it interfers with the chemical molecular imbalance of the potassium levels within the ribosome as well as produces frequent anaphylactic reactions within a 5km radius. I'd like to say that this is sarcasm and I actually DO BELIEVE IN AIR BAGS! Also: 1) I do not have a daughter 2) I purposefully put spelling errors in to imitate the breed of anti-vaxxers 3) This is meant to imitate the logic that anti-vaxxers apply to vaccines 4) Have a good day/night!

Chicken Schnitzel Wait are you sure you know what we are talking about? The airbags that inflate if you get in a crash so that you don’t bang your head. What your daughter allergic to?

ok boomer

I agree with you. At least a smart person is rational.

bruh never heard anything truer in my life. smart, rational people will listen to your points, combat them appropriately, and are always open to be educated. having an argument with a person who is ignorant is like trying to talk to a tree stump - you have to repeat yourself over and over again and they'll never listen to your points. it's incredibly frustrating.

@@ZmZm525 ok boomer.....the new catch cry of the terminally ignorant with no real argument to add to the debate. Let me guess, you think the earth is flat, dont you?

@@heatherrowles2580 It's a misplaced reply. It doesn't apply to this situation but it is a valid response.

Just imagine being a pro vaccine doctor with 15 years of studying and having COLLEAGUES who are also DOCTORS with 15 YEARS OF STUDYING who are anti-vax. I imagine it's a huge reality check of making you realise not every Doctor know what he's doing.

I;m a wine mom, and I wouldn't say "you're wrong." i just wouldn't take my kids to that doctor in the first place. all i want is for the doctor to agree with me and my needs for my children. that's all i ask. it's not asking too much.

@@dhsarah570 you don't want a doctor. You seem to want a yes-man instead.

Hey look, it's a random alphanumeric string username posting a blatant and easily dismissed logical fallacy. Sure is legitimate discussion in the comments section today.

exactly@@VDA19

Her mother was anti-vax?

​@thelegioncollective Probably. The Polio vaccine gave a bunch of people polio, especially the first vaccine that came out. Polio is a WEIRD disease. If you start to dig into it there are piles of conflicting information about it. It was primarily a US disease.... until DDT became globally used. It popped up in Sweden and the US at the same time as lead arsenic pesticides in the 1800s... there are some compelling theories that Polio isn't just caused by the Polio virus, but is caused by many viruses and bacteria in the presence of certain toxins. The sad thing is there are not more studies into Polio making it hard to know what's true and what isn't. It's a WILD rabbit hole, I read a book about it on a whim and had no idea what I was getting into.

In South Africa, Polio vaccines are no longer being produced. Doctors have decided that we no longer need the vaccine. I believe this is a terrible idea as we still have people with Polio.

@@teganrafferty2624 that's wrong on so many levels.

The polio vaccine was tried and tested over a long period of time - and safe. She was wrong to deny her daughter that vaccine. But you are missing a huge point by trying to bunch her in with people who are genuinely concerned about a vaccine that was rushed out with little testing: the creator of the mRNA vaccine himself had serious concerns about its use against Covid. He's not "anti-vaxx". He works in that field! At any rate the facts and figures are all finally coming out and they are showing that people like her were right to have serious concerns about that vaccine. Learn to tell the difference between someone who has serious concerns about a particular vaccine - and someone who is just anti-vaxx.

ahahjahhahaha thats a good one.

Yeah, she says ended up as if she didn’t even want the kid

The mother is clearly the shitty factory

The mom had arthritis that probably from autoimmune disease too, she doesn't realized she passed that down to her child did she? Lmao

@@DillaVesperia ah ah ah, Disorder. That distinction is very important. that child is not diseased, they have a disorder. that can be very disheartening for people with the disorder. Unless they actually do have one of the diseases, then they're probably gonna die in todays world...

Their making everything the same so they are not left out.

It's so hard to get rid of your kid without people judging you these days

Becky Cepeda thinking that through the entire video

Because they care less about their child than they do about being considered an idiot.

I commented this once and an anti vaxxer told me herd immunity isn’t a thing and that vaccines don’t in fact work...they’re so deluded

That's not the issue. The controversy isnt about weather a person should or shouldn't get vac instead, it's about weather or not it should be mandated and if people who refuse should lose their job or be jailed or fined into poverty.

calling an mrna gene delivery system a vaccine is the biggest misinformation. everyone would be anti mrna gene delivery systemer

My best friend’s wife has Fibromyalgia and is anti - vaccine.

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@williampennjr.4448a mandate that is the direct result of the belief that you should be vaccinated and the fact that an overwhelming number of people didn’t want to get a vaccine for a potentially deadly virus that spread via person to person contact. Could you imagine if the number of people who didn’t want the covid vaccine would have been against the polio vaccine? We would have had millions of other people dead or in iron lungs and the virus would still exist and still be infecting people, but thanks to the vaccine and the mandates put in place and followed during its outbreak has literally eliminated the virus in the US. Guess where it isn’t eliminated? In certain 3rd world countries that didn’t have a vaccine and is only being treated and prevented by vaccines provided to them by the CDC as it’s goal is to eliminate the virus globally. Much like the Covid outbreak, polio also caused the government to close schools, public places, and also encouraged social distancing, along with the vaccine having potential side effects that included possible paralysis. Vaccination is nothing new, just as viral infections are nothing new, and the science behind their creation and use is pretty rock solid. Now if people who were unvaccinated couldn’t spread and infect others with the virus then vaccination probably wouldn’t be mandated, but it can and is spread by people so you put others at risk, not just yourself, when you remain unvaccinated during an outbreak of a potentially deadly virus…not sure what’s so difficult about that to understand.

Unless you study the information connecting the ingredients in vaccines and autoimmune issues.

If you're alluding to the massively debunked connection between autism and vaccination... I hear you! I was diagnosed ADHD in my 30s. My family suspected I was autistic for years before then. (ASD and ADHD can have overlapping symptoms.) Some of my more fringe relatives implied that my issues (that turned out to be ADHD) were caused by my childhood vaccinations. It's a good thing I wasn't present for that conversation cause I'd have had a tough time keeping my cool and debunking them vociferously. ADHD is genetic and I likely got it from my undiagnosed mother. It also is a horrible thing to say to autistic folks, too. The implication is that they would rather have a maimed or dead child from a preventable disease rather than risk having an autistic child!

My grandmother was also a polio survivor. She was 100% Pro vaccine.

@@jessicaharris1608I'm autistic here and yeah, even if it were true, (figurative "you" incoming), you'd be choosing bringing polio to everyone like it's the 1900s again over being awesome and having a whole community of folks online who get it?

Good point I am now anti-surgery

So you die later guaranteed while in pain or you take the risk of living longer without the pain/dying on the table while already knocked out..........I’ll take my chances of dying on the table. Unless circumstances state otherwise.

Azure Blaze To each there own!

That's such a great point.😄😂

0x39 no. It's like doing a cost/benefit analysis before EACH INDIVIDUAL surgery. Too bad we don't do that. Oh wait...

My druggie deadbeat tried to stop me getting vacinated 😂 he forgot he had 0 custody

LMAO

@@arthurmorgan9449 bro that made me die from laughter honestly

Yep. 99% of parents don’t see their kids realistically at all.

LMAO

only 69 results were found

I make my decisions based on multiple experiences. My brother is dying. They told him his original symptoms were normal, and then it only got worse. I've gotten sick too. So have others I've known. I'm not trying to take vaccines off the market or recommend others don't take them. But I shouldn't have to

Thank you for your testimony Jafreen. Unfortunately those who have never seen the effects of some of these terrible but preventable illnesses can never grasp the severity of it. They have the power of corrupted hindsight were they did not see the effects and assume all of these illnesses have been eradicated. They are the result of decades fighting preventable, through vaccinations, diseases. I am not a fan of cliche"but those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it."

I think this is what people need to hear. We used to be just as vulnerable to disease, which is the whole point of these movements to get vaccines to kids all over the world... we were trying to give them what we had, that feeling of security in knowing that diseases that used to ravage communities were now a thing of the past. If such a miracle medicine exists, it's a moral wrong to give only to a few people. So we in the US are pretty amazed, too, that anyone would dismiss that astounding opportunity out of fear of a rare adverse reaction.

I'm sorry about your cousin, and she is one of the many reasons why I will be fully vaccinating my son. I cannot relate to your story, but I know that there are too many out there just like your cousin. Not only do I have the privilege of living in a 1st world country, so I have easy access to vaccines, but I'm Canadian... so they're free. I would be a complete and total moron if I didn't take advantage of that. Sadly, I know people who think that because there are scary sounding ingredients (such as dihydrogen monoxide) in vaccines, that they're unsafe. Even the mercury used in some of them, thimerosal, is less dangerous than the mercury in fish. Now, yes, there's risk associated with vaccines, but there is risk to everything, and an even greater risk when not vaccinating. There are outbreaks of measles in the US and some cases in Canada because people aren't vaccinating.

Completely agree with you. I grew up in a public school where some children was absent during vaccination day in my country and one of them ended up with polio because they didn't get vaccinated (it ran out).

but please be patient, the way the world is now, every kind patient person is changing more than they see. It's hard, but anger released recklessly doesn't help. Anger does help, when measured and filtered.

SebastianTheGreat AHAHAHHAHAHA

Guess what Polio comes from contaminated water not contact with infected people. My uncle had Polio with 5 other unvaccinated children he guy it from swimming.

@@tomarasmith4459 Yeah, but if you had a Polio vaccine, the chances of getting would be WAY lower.

@@cracqheadish908 I dont swim in lakes and ponds so my chances of getting it is low anyway. My uncle had Polio he was the only of 6 kids to contract it. I do know that the CDC lies about the risk of vaccines.

“vaccines cause autism 😡” *gets measles and dies* “at least he doesn’t have autism”

How can you ban autism? 🤔

@@SBerTtube You "concentrate" people in "fun camps"

@@SBerTtube look at history it’s happened well not just autism any mental and physical issues

​@@aryabiss9445you can just withdraw autism as a mental disorder, just like they removed slaves wanting to run away from their owners as a mental disorder (of course the two aren't comparable whatsoever, just an example of mental disorders being reclassified).

and it's coming back, along with smallpox, because moronic uneducated people who get their information from Facebook think they know better than science and medicine and DECADES of research.

I agree to a point, but if there are excessive "negative experiences" a research should be done on why are they happening and most importantly how to prevent them. If we take one sided approach we can be sure medicine is deteriorating

@@BruhImAGirl they are re-evaluated. Like with the J&J Covid vaccine. They found out it had some small chance to cause something and it was looked at. The problem is that anti vaccine people will take that one negative thing and just run with it and won’t be open to the rest of that process.

Polio is actually resurfacing in the US, I wonder why.

That is why none of my kids got the covid vaccine.

Caseh honestly though I feel you. Like why in the world would you want your child at more risk.

Honestly that lady seemed like she felt attacked by people attacking anti-vaxxers... Her reasoning is incredibly stupid. She just feels like people judge her child. We don't. We want the other children to get vaccinated to help HER. Wish she doesn't get polio because of other idiotic anti-vaxxers.

thought the same. I also thought that she seemed very attacked or judged. And she maybe also has good reasons for it. I heard a few stories of parents whose children had adverse effects after vaccines and the doctors did not believe them, and I think that must be a horrifying situation. I still believe that you should definitely vaccinate and that the benefits are very high. But I think it is horrifying if doctors downplay issues or if they do not try to search for the cause of problems because they think the patients exaggerate stuff. The one women told her history of visiting many doctors because of her arthrities and no one looked into it enough to help her.

Well that sounds way too logical

I hear the safety of vaccines all of the time, but when I hear someone say that they cannot take it, but everyone else should. Spells Bull * to safety. Heard immunity is this bull * mentality of others that believe the world is a near-perfect place. When instead, We have plethoras of people that run across the border everyday into the United States, Take international flights and land in the United States with ILLNESSES. COVID-19. bleh. There is a time and a reason for a Vaccine, there also ISNT. Because the law of nature works against us. The illnesses that are going to let us sit and rot in a bed for the rest of our life such as polio. is a GOOD reason to vaccinate. Something absurd such as the FLU, or Hepatitis is a dumb reason. Because we are breading SUPER BUGS.

That is 100% true.

Tempest once a stupid person has made up their mind, they ain't going back

Fool. The point is not to "win." The point is to get to the truth what you and the other person is aware of, OPENMINDEDLY.

Tempest that’s not even true. You’re equating stupidity with stubbornness. Smart people can be very stubborn just like how stupid people can be humble or “opened” to new ideas

@@enochannor6550 yeah but people don't become smart by being stubborn, they do so by being objective or reasoning. Stubbornness is how dumb people stay dumb.

Well they dont really teach selective publication and other publication manipulations in the education system hence these things do not really exist in the subjective world of the majority of the herd.

If every doctor was like your doctor much of anti-vax group wouldn't be anti-vax. Like that is literally what I want to do with my future kids, space things out and avoid the flu shots since I had a reaction to that.

That's I respect Dr. Mike. In that situation I would've been "You know as much about your child as the Russians knew about Chernobyl in 1986, how'd that turn out"

Sam Shim My doctor knows me better than my parents

🥺so admirable

I agree with him, but not for the reason he gave

@@donnyshields4450 just curious, but what's your reason? 😶😊

Kabir Basu both are useful, it depends on the audience that you are talking to, with these people talking about medicine with a bunch of big fancy words using personal anecdotes are useful. If you are talking about more down to earth, less big words, topics than stats are a lot more helpful.

@@riserevelation8471 Yep yep, most people are more convinced by anecdotes, especially if they can evoke emotion. But as soon as someone starts to use emotion to try to convince me of something, I lose interest real quick, untill they start using data. Of course this doesn't mean I've never been convinced by anecdotes in the moment, but if given the time to think about the arguments, I'd almost always be more convinced by the data.

Kabir Basu i agree with you, there is a fine amount of emotion that should be used when making an anecdotal argument, if the entire argument is ruled by emotion than people will just tune it out.

@@riserevelation8471 Yep, totally agree.

It's good you understand the data and statistics. As a scientist, I want to know those. But I grew up with all the family stories of relatives suffering and dying of now preventable diseases. Those are facts, too. It's good to have true individual stories to tell that supplement stats for those who don't understand them. Most people don't know anybody who has had a preventable disease. It hits home when you've witnessed the fear of you or your child being infected with something horrible.

Exactly. The authoritarians who pushed the Covid vaccine have never apologized or admitted wrong doing. They destroyed the medical communities credibility and now think it’s weird people don’t trust them

Exactly. There was a french doctor that showed what those diseases actually do... This is beyond frightening...

@@nhiko999 There was also the whole entire existence of humanity up until the point of the vaccine invention in 1796 to use as an example. I mean so many people died from diseases we can now cure and virtually eradicate. Why would that ever be a bad thing?

@@EOR2742 my favorite argument when discussing with an anti-vaxxer is when they say there were people around before vaccines. Whether that be because they buy in to the doctor conspiricy or to state if humanity was fine without them before then there child doesn't need it now. yes there were people around, but many of them also died.

Very very accurate. Measles can complicate as encephalitis, which has poor prognosis. Smallpox was extremely deadly; there was a reason it was the disease we first developed a successful vaccine against. Anti-vaxers who still claim autism is linked to vaccinations (despite it being disproven several times), how do they prefer polio or permanent damage/death over autism for their kid? There’s a very small group of people who cannot safely receive vaccinations, and rely on herd immunity. In my country, we are discussing not letting anti-vaxers (by choice) put their children in public kindergarten. It’s a tricky discussion with strong opinions on both sides. On a population scale, vaccines save more lives than they take by a ridiculous factor.

No one gets smallpox anymore. My risk for having no immunity to smallpox is zero. You know why? Because vaccines work so goddamn well we eradicated the virus. Smallpox and rinderpest are both completely eradicated.

I think that irritates me the most. They imply my doctor promotes vaccines for the money. They don't know my doctor, he is one of the most caring people I know. He always asks how we are doing and often checks on things we have being dealing with in the past (I don't always remember and he has to remind me). It can be anything from the last thing we saw him for to something we mentioned in conversation like how our soccer season went. He isn't some nefarious snake oil salesman.

@@melanieszelong4664 Preach sister.

@@melanieszelong4664 yeah they say doctors are in it for the money meanwhile pedalling essential oils, the hypocrisy kills me

I LOVE all the comments on this thread laughing at soccer moms. We soccer moms are total dingbats, right? LOL.....and you're not being a bigoted idiot WHATSOEVER!

@@PS-qn4oz Depends on what kind of soccer mom you are. Do you tell pediatricians their decades of schooling and practice are no match for your google skills? Do you brag all over facebook about how your child only eats organic foods when nobody asked? Do you tell your children's teachers they're the bullies if they tell you your child has been acting like a brat to the other children? Do you walk into stores and restaurants wearing sunglasses, cropped pants, and a "sensible" haircut and demand to speak to the manager because they wouldn't accept your expired coupons? If so, then yes, you are a dingbat. If not, carry on, this conversation had nothing to do with you and you are getting offended for no reason.

Dr. Robert Malone, the creator of the mRNA vaccine, also had serious concerns about its use as a Covid vaccine. Respectfully - I tell you that maybe you should have been listening to what he had to say - along with the long list of experts who weren't "anti-vaxx" but who had serious concerns about this particular one: you should also ask yourself why on earth were they never allowed air time to voice those concerns?

@@jackspring7709respectfully, I’ll trust the other thousands of doctors who say otherwise :) also, he didn’t “invent” the mRNA vaccine, he was a minor contributor among hundreds of other scientists, though I don’t blame you for this one, because research literacy is a very niche skill.

​@jackspring7709 being skeptical about a single vaccine should not make someone an anti vaxxer though

And it's because of people like your colleague that everyone who can be vaccinated should be vaccinated.

And now we see there's also side effects of the covid vaccine. Many people I know will never get a booster or be complied to get a vaccine again because of their reaction

Wow. You honestly sound like a terrible person. The people who judge others for not taking Covid were the most authoritarian and evil people.

to be fair the stats are probably exaggerated to some extent, but that doesn't mean they're any less valid and worth considering (like I think Dr. Mike said 1/3000 or so instead)

I was irritated after the beginning when the redhead said a vaccine gave her arthritis because she was "too young to develop it", made me want to grab the woman and yell at her, "Explain that to me at 17 when I hadn't had a vaccine in over 2 years, Karen!" (That was when I was officially diagnosed with arthritis.) But the willingness to ignore than specialists story, too, about the child who had to lose all of his limbs to a preventable disease, also just irritated me further. How far does your head have to be up your ass to just ignore something like that, or statistics?

Trust the doctors....they went to school for four years or long just for this kind of stuff. YOU DIDN’T YOU WENT TO GOOGLE

I mean the anti vaxxers did not specifically you Tristian DR

the doctor in the video was arguing not to give accurate statistics but to make up stories to sell vaccines. The moment they believe in this voodoo they think they are doing the right thing to cover up an injury etc and when a whole cult does that their statistics are completely unreliable and very far off.

Its hilarious how we have to oversimplify innovative, life changing vaccines into PEANUTS to get antivaxxers to understand

@@prudence8808 i bet they cant understand this peanut analogy either

Takuya V they won’t 😹

@@vreep7497 They can hear you but they won't, they look for trouble while others don't

@@prudence8808 I'm anti mandatory vaccines, but these comments are killing me! Comedy Gold!

Internet mom: I disagree

I mean they did clarify that was for anaphylactic shock and that other side effects are more common. Ofc the reasor that is a seizure isnt as impactful as the disease so the main thing being to anaphylactic shock to not getting the vaccine

that made me so FUCKING MAD

Internet mom: I like my opinion better than your facts

"That's not a real number"

I feel like (not to assume) that’s the problem of why they are so “ignorant” it’s because they don’t listen as much as they should

Zahir Datoo that has nothing to do with being American 😐

Zahir Datoo nope

Zahir Datoo everything you just said was wrong

Zahir Datoo anyone can be what you described, which is what you are

medical degrees dont count

JB Studio wikipedia is the true source of knowledge

ashton kutcher which articles can be edited by uneducated people

JB Studio everything was done on Wikipedia

We all know real doctors use Internet Explorer!

What or when a child gets a vaccine should be customized to that specific child. With some children, some vaccines are low risk with another child the same low risk might be a high risk because of specific health conditions. I don’t think it’s ok to just make a list of vaccines and tell parents “here is the generic list, get these vaccines at specific times” when the doctor should evaluate each individual vaccine for the child on an individual basis.

Well that shows that she understands that everyone is different, which others can't seem to fathom

Thats great. As long as the people around her are vaccinated for the vaccines that she cant have, she has a lower risk of getting sick

@@danielaramburo7648 You make a fair point. But the number of children that need a changed vaccine schedule is rather small, so it's not really discussed. Most children have no issues having vaccines besides a sore muscle. For children who are immunocompromised (meaning their immune system does not work well and has difficulty fighting foriegn bodies) they are not given certain vaccines until later on. So what you want IS in place, it's just not spoken about.

The only one im against is flu because there's too ment strands of it

You mean that someone googling articles for 8 hours is not the same as someone who spent 8 years studying?

@@alexpirela4763 8 min* who googles for 8hrs? There aren't even enough anti vax articles

@@rebia5542 Lmaaooooo. You right

Alex Pirela 😂😂 they don’t even teach doctors or nurses in medical school about vaccine ingredients , they only teach him that it safe and effective in the schedule , my aunt is pediatric doctor so trust me I know

@@intuitivepsychictherapysab8107 I learnt about the components of different vaccines in Anatomy & Physiology, Virology, Microbiology, Molecular Genetics and Biochemistry. I dont even have my Bachelors yet.

Sir Homie Nice One LOL 😂

@Sir Homie your life is practically over

​@@Nek0oo0o Are you ready for Persona 5 R?

😂🤣😂

PFFFF-

People from third world countries know better than anyone how dangerous vaccines are since pharma loves to use them as guinea pigs. See, Im pretty sure they have caught on , and Im sure Africa probably doesnt appreciate Bill Gates giving them polio What a prick giving them the oral polio vaccine when we discontinued it here because it causes polio. More cases of vaccines der1ived polio exists today than the wild polio. So what is actually beyond frustrating is all of you just regurgitating the same old fake vaccine stories you have been told all your life and never looking yourself to see if there is any truth to what we say at all. But hey, dont listen to us. Millions of us are all just delusional parents. Ha ha

@@dawn1568 yes you are who thinks earth is flat.

@@dawn1568 Nope, I'm from a third world country and we get all our vaccines here.

@@dawn1568 Polio cases have jumped off a cliff in India since the Pulse Polio Program. Shoo, condescending snowflake.

@@dawn1568 you are talking about unethical testing. But the topic here is whether vaccines (after due procedures or testing) is important or not.

It amazes me how these people think their sample size of one (without controls, data, analysis etc.) is greater evidence than 3 clinical study phases involving thousands... not to mention post-licensure monitoring of vaccine safety. They mention risk-benefit analysis but yet seem unable to perform such even when faced with expert opinion and evidence. Protecting kids from vaccinations is like telling a kid not to wear a seatbelt because it may cause bruising in an accident.

yes they have a bad effect to vaccines they think vaccine=bad

Wait I agree with your argument but the use of quotes around moms has me very confused

@@sashat3632 I presume it's to denot sarcasm and his personal opinion that they're not qualified to be parents.

Honestly I didn't believe for a second that woman has arthritis. Problem with their little anecdotes is how utterly vague they are

Comment so good it doesn't need anymore replies.

I am now anti-food

Food is just part of a big conspiracy from the big food chains and the government (which is in reality composed of big, gluttonous panda bears disguised as politicians). Your body doesn't need food, I read it from some random guy's blog online, and I trust him. Now I'm anti-food. Get informed, sheep!

I once almost drowned, so now I won’t let me or my kids drink liquid.

I agree 100% of people who eat food die regardless of choking.

If your parents don’t know anything about you, that’s probably your fault

@@cadebayerl8117 That is a pretty one sided mindset. With no other evidence other than their statement, at best, we can say both parties are at fault. But we cannot exclude the possibility that it is the fault of the parents for this apparent relationship between child and parent nor can we exclude environmental factors outside of both parties control that has lead to this and there is simply a lack of knowledge of this leading to a skewed perception on Nikolas's part.

B I G mood

"Its not a phase dad"

@@cadebayerl8117 yeah, it's totally my fault my dad doesn't want to know me.

The problem with "choice" is some choose poorly. That results in continued presence of these organisms in the public space which in turn drives new infections and subsequent illness and death. You know lepers were once driven from their communities because of the threat they posed to others. There is no supposed "right" that allows for individuals spreading of vaccine-preventable diseases. As a final thought allergic reactions reflect a problem with the individual and not the vaccine per se which is merely a "trigger".

@@varyolla435 You do make a valid point and I agree. It's a question of ethics and morals really at the end of the day isn't it. Ethically and moraly I believe it is wrong to force someone to put something into thier body. Your body should mean it's your choice. On the flip side it is Ethically and moraly wrong for someone to place other peoples lives at risk. Moraly we as a society need to place our own health as well as those around us as priority. While I swing more to the pro Vax side I do also have some understanding on why some prefer not Vax. Education is key I believe.

​@@natahliak7691and too, you can be for some vaccines, wary of others and against others. That doesn't make you antivax. I chose not to get the covid vaccine. With more data that has come out, I'm ok with my decision. For others, they've made a different decision and that's their choice. I don't vilify a person one way or the other.

YOU WOULD’INT HAVE ARTHRITIS IF YOUR ARMS WERE CHOPPED OFF fingers? Hand?

Man those doctors had infinite patients. If it were me, I would have knocked her out.

She says that arthritis doesn't occur at that age One of my good friends mom has arthritis at twenty In fact it can occur to anyone

slapp bass yea literally had a kid in my year 3 class with it ???

@Naomi Roxanne Dijs Did you at all listen to doctor mike?

I am unable to take the flu vaccine without having a dangerous reaction to it. I have contracted H1N1 flu virus. It was the sickest I have ever been in my life. It took me months to get back to full health. To everyone who recieves a flu vaccine each year I extend a huge thank you. I appriciate every person who gets vaccinated and helps lower my chances of catching the flu again. I have been able to be vaccinated for everything else required in my life and my children have all been vaccinated without any issues. We all need to do our part in helping each other stay healthy and safe. Blessed be and good health to all of you.

@@mareikeho7425 you have copied this comment from someone. I saw this comment.

@@naveennidhurshan6939 Yeah I saw it too

you had the eric the midget disease

My parents didnt know I had tongue tied until I was 10/11. Not as serious as the poster but hey they both have something wrong with speech.

Switch doctors. That's the only thing to do. If you are seeing a doctor and they are clearly not helping you, you just gotta go see a new doctor. Bring your medical records.

I agree, switch doctors. And if your doctor has an issue with you getting a second or third opinion....dump that doctor.

Sam Rader Very true. She was rather rude.

@@seaofag9752 Just went no, no, no and shaking her head to every single sentence. It wasn't much of a debate and it reminded me at the Jenny chick.

Yep. Honestly it disgusts me giving anti-vaxxers a platform entirely. All they are are selfish narcissists. Half the time it feels like they have Munchausens, believing their kid has this wild disease due to a vaccine when an all rationality, their kid is fine.

Sea of AG Welp not really rude... just ignorant

@@inkflux. Ignorance is rude

Your sentence is unintelligible and I bet you gave yourself a thumb's up. Fuck the filth that are vaccines and fuck shills.

Summer Joy also, fuck children growing old! Wait... that’s not right. Fuck anti-vaxxers and their misinformed, uneducated view point that is actively killing children

@@summerjoy6849 his sentence is perfectly legible , you've just shown yourself to be dumb right there

@@summerjoy6849 His sentence is legible and vaccines are good

@@rainbowroxgirl6091 Anti-Vaxxers are secretly people who fight overpopulation of the world

You can not view reaction to vaccination in a vacuum. You must understand that side effects to a given vaccine typically mirror the same seen with people infected with the actual infectious disease. That tells you those are a result of exposure to = the pathogen. Thus in so much as the infectious disease exists - hence why there are vaccines - you will therefore see one outcome or the other. Either a few susceptible individuals risk what are rare side effects to vaccination = or they risk the same from catching the infectious disease - which increases that risk exponentially. As an aside. People unable to tolerate exposure to vaccines which are weaker by design would more than likely react similarly - or worse - upon simply catching the infectious disease. This means those few in number people who reacted badly to vaccination would represent the same we would expect to see if the infectious disease simply spread through the population unchecked = except there are far fewer of them. Think about it.

Alternative comment: Doctors do this every day. Doctors can also be uninformed, misinformed, and/or incorrect.

earthpet yes but the thing is docters will use right sources and not google and if they find out they were misinformed they come back on their statements not the anti vax moms and their “autism caused by vaccines” statement for a start - the man who made the study apologized for it and said he was wrong If the facts change they change their conclusions

@@elysse5983 What you are saying about doctors is how it "ideally" should work.

Most Doctors are not the objective scientists they pretend to be. The vast majority simply regurgitate what they've been taught just like those from any other profession. This doctor is clearly among the majority and needs to try harder. "It is to be expected that advances in physiology and psychology will give governments much more control over individual mentality than they now have even in totalitarian countries... Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age, to produce the sort of character and the sort of beliefs that the authorities consider desirable, and any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible. " --- 1952, Bertrand Arthur William Russell, 3rd Earl Russell (1872-1970) British Internationalist, among other things. If you have a grasp of history, the dumbing-down that has taken place in recent decades is undeniable. Likewise the ill effects of vaccines are also undeniable if you've done good and objective homework on the subject.

Elysse you may be interested in the 9 hour testimony of Stanley Plotkin who is a consultant and vaccine developer. The whole thing is available here on UKposts. I can’t vouch for every link to say none have been edited. Here’s a little of what he said. Dr. Plotkin was asked by the attorney, “If you don’t know whether DTaP or Tdap cause autism, shouldn’t you wait until you do know, until you have the science to support it to then say vaccine don’t cause autism?” Dr. Plotkin responded: “Do I wait? No. I have to take into account the health of the child.” The attorney then posed the question, “And so for that reason, you are okay telling the parent that DTaP, Tdap does not cause autism even though the science isn’t there yet to support that claim.” ​ Dr. Plotkin answered: “Absolutely.” ​

Wow thats a really good one!

I like this.

Yah. So many people fall asleep and never wake up so we should never sleep. When she said “Safe-ish” It drove me up the wall. Everything human’s do is “safe-ish” sleeping, eat, drinking, breathing, and even your heart beating. Glad to see other people agree with me that her way or thinking is flawed.

10/10 analogy

Well coud we exchange scharks with crokodiles?

I "understand" a mass-murderer has a psychotic personality and perhaps incurred abuse as a child = yet they are still a murderer........ "Empathy" only goes so far. We still have to confront the real world impact of vaccine resistance and what it facilitates. _Cause & Effect_ still applies here.........

What did you think about the discriminations, human right violations, about the violently forced human experiment vaccinations, about all the threatenings and suppression hundreds of millions of unvaccinated people had to face in the last few years globally? How on earth could you people accept that other people were harassed, suppressed, threatened and discriminated by armed police forces payed by public money, by your corrupted nazi politicians, by your medical 'professionals'..: Did you really think it is OK ? Man.....

@@varyolla435 "Empathy" only goes so far. We still have to confront the real world impact of vaccine resistance and what it facilitates. Cause & Effect still applies here........." WTF are you suggesting provaxers fanatic zealot? Do you compare innocent, unvaccinated people who resist your crazy religion and human experiments to murderes and psychos? Man, obviously not all provaxers are the same. But the real provaxers, the aggressive ones are the worst kind of monsters, the real successors of Hitler.

I had it in the 70's and 80's starting at 3yo. No methotrexate. It went away at 17 (thank goodness), but a lot of damage had already occurred, alas. So happy for you.

Nice

Yup. Measles outbreak in Southern California. 100% preventable. The thing that sucks is that it's not directly affecting the people who make the decision to not vaccinate your kid.

Holy shit, your right. Jubilee needs to get some better people.

Meli Rayne shit your right

respectfulinsolence.com/2018/06/29/dr-bob-sears-finally-faces-discipline/

Agree people shouldn’t prevent others because of personal experiences

Agreed. Though I wouldn’t use this metaphor with anti-vaxxers. Just because we as a society DO ask other kids at schools not to bring peanut products so the kid with peanut allergies doesnt have a reaction. I understand what your saying, but antivaxxers are very ______, so they can easy get confused.

my younger sister had a kidney reaction to a baby vaccine, and as a result, she had to be hospitalized for a few weeks, and she will not be able to get that specific vaccine again, and others that may have the same outcome. however, my family and I are still on vaccines. if my sister cannot get this vaccine, she is at risk of having this disease, and to avoid this it is necessary that the people who have contact with her have the vaccine. Get vaccinated to protect yourself, and those who for health reasons cannot be vaccinated.

took the words right outta my mouth 💯

Also, if anything, shouldn't she be encouraging others to get vaccines to create that herd immunity since her child couldn't get vaccines?

That's called intelligence.

Parents know them well enough to know that there is something wrong and get them to the ER. Drs don't check in to see if you have appendicitis. Even if the Dr was the kid's Aunt, she still wouldn't call and ask for symptoms every day. But mom's do - 'Hey, how are you doing today?'

Aside from the fact that, that sentiment was supposed to be about personality rather than internal workings of biology, I never understood it anyways. No, you don't. In fact, on average - especially over the course of years, parents know their children the LEAST. Yes, if your child is a whee little baby who you carry in your arms then you are likely the person who knows their personality (or whatever little there is of it at this stage) the best, but that's ALL. and all of that completely disappears once the child grows up and has friends, goes to school. In fact, for most people their close friends know them best.

If that sentiment were true, the only time a parent would take a child to the hospital would be to get a prescription; and even then, the parent would tell the doctor "Timmy needs 400mg of Blahblahblah for the next week. Be a dear and write that up for me." No offense to my mother, but if she told me one thing and a doctor told me another (in the context of health), I'm going with the doctor. As much as I love her, Mom didn't go to medical school. And you know what? She could be right and the doctor could be wrong. But I know what has the better chance of happening.

Oh snap

@@emilykelly2815 that's totally missing the point. the implication of the quote is that parents always know the best course of action for their kids. no, doctors are not omnipresent omniscient miracle workers. but they know how to prevent, diagnose, and treat illness, and refusing to listen to their advice is almost always a terrible idea.

TBH

Very true

@@MariaKiran1 with all due respect to Dr. Mike, these people have chose to believe their own "research" over scientific medical opinion. I don't think the doctor's words would knock sense into them.

@@sibinsamthomas4719 true.

With all due respect once you are an antivaxxer and you know the truth it doesnt matter who is in the video. Once you know the truth, you never go back. There are thousands of doctors that are also anti vax so your theory that our opinion is less medically valid than yours is pure fantasy. In reality provaccine science is corrupted science. Apparently a lot of people are comfortable with hearing this because they never dig any deeper than main stream medias stories to find out. If it were my kids life on the line, i would be concerned with the possibility of there being some truth to what antivax parents are saying. I would want to be positive before doing that to my kids . antivaxxer will never be provax again because they KNOW that pharmacuetical companies are liars and doctors are the 3rd leading cause of death in the US and unfortunately most of all, many of us found out first hand what I said is absolutely true. BUT you go ahead and trust them, your choice and your right to at least we know, we tried to warn you.

I have a Bachelor Degree in Science, Cell and Molecular Biology; I am a former teacher (in my home country) of Human Anatomy and Physiology as well as Chemistry. I am a former Licensed Dietitian and I also have a degree and currently practice as a Doctor of Dental Surgery. I have taken several mandatory as well as elective courses in immunology, bacteriology, virology, biochemistry, histology, microbiology, genetics and alike. I am a former research and teaching assistant at a graduate department of Neurogenetics at one of top US universities. I have spent 22 years of my life at school 9 years of which was university level. I am sad to report that when it came to vaccines they only taught us the vaccine schedule and literally nothing in regards to mechanism of action, the types and role of adjuvants, nor adverse reactions. I trusted that vaccines are safe and effective just like you. However, for reasons irrelevant to this discussion, I did my own research namely reviewing primary research literature published in JAMA, JADA, PubMed, etc as well as CDC’s website and their own research published there and I state in confidence that the truth is hidden in plain site and there is absolutely positively no chance that after researching vaccine ingredients you could still claim vaccines are safe. No chance. And by the way, to date, I have not been able to locate a single randomized, double-blind placebo study with a statistically significant sample size that would prove safety of any single vaccine not to mention when they are administered in combination or multiplicity at one seating thus completely disregarding any possible synergistic toxicity of such adjuvants. Don’t be a sheep and do your own research.

Peyton Ross I have a Bachelor Degree in Science, Cell and Molecular Biology; I am a former teacher (in my home country) of Human Anatomy and Physiology as well as Chemistry. I am a former Licensed Dietitian and I also have a degree and currently practice as a Doctor of Dental Surgery. I have taken several mandatory as well as elective courses in immunology, bacteriology, virology, biochemistry, histology, microbiology, genetics and alike. I am a former research and teaching assistant at a graduate department of Neurogenetics at one of top US universities. I have spent 22 years of my life at school 9 years of which was university level. I am sad to report that when it came to vaccines they only taught us the vaccine schedule and literally nothing in regards to mechanism of action, the types and role of adjuvants, nor adverse reactions. I trusted that vaccines are safe and effective just like you. However, for reasons irrelevant to this discussion, I did my own research namely reviewing primary research literature published in JAMA, JADA, PubMed, etc as well as CDC’s website and their own research published there and I state in confidence that the truth is hidden in plain site and there is absolutely positively no chance that after researching vaccine ingredients you could still claim vaccines are safe. No chance. And by the way, to date, I have not been able to locate a single randomized, double-blind placebo study with a statistically significant sample size that would prove safety of any single vaccine not to mention when they are administered in combination or multiplicity at one seating thus completely disregarding any possible synergistic toxicity of such adjuvants. Don’t be a sheep and do your own research.

@@martinap2682 hi im 16 and none of those words make sense. but ive been vaccinated my whole life and im perfectly healthy so. ✊👋

@Tee S Wow I've seen you in many pro vax comments

Martina P yeah, no proof that they work aside from the diseases that have been mostly eradicated. Polio for example. It’s almost like less people got polio after the vaccine was administered. Also, if you have to name all of the reasons why your opinion is substantial, then most likely what you’ve said is bullshit.

They're such hypocrites

And downplaying just how bad things like polio, measles, ect. are.

One lady said just bc she doesn’t have “Dr” in front of her name doesn’t make her less informed… ID BEG TO DIFFER

I made a remix of anti vaxxers

While creating mass fear and hysteria by exaggerating the side effects of vaccines and other conditions that aren't even related such as arthritis.

When the MMR first came out it was only one dose. It took some years to determine that 2 doses were needed to insure good immunity response. Meanwhile the Rubella vaccine is believed to last ~15 years for most. So developing Rubella 14 years later does not mean the vaccine did not work - especially if it was a mild case. Vaccines are not "100% preventative". They simply offer better odds at avoiding serious illness with milder side effects than catching what they prevent.

I've also had rubella, along with chicken pocks and measles. My immune system sucks but I'm still not dumb enough to be anti Vax. Have all my vaccines and boosters as do my children.

Many vaccines wear off in their effectiveness over time. I think a good question for a doctor about each vaccine is, how long does it last and when should I get a booster?

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oh my god PREACH!!!!!!!

C' thulu for real though you are right, those moms sat there and told an educated doctor, of sorts I personally don’t know what kind of schooling he went though but it had to be a few years in medical at least, that he was wrong because she did her own “research” which was probably a few artical readings from biased websites, again I don’t know personally what they’ve done.

You mean this is what happens when all the information in the world is now accessible to everyone instead of just those who can afford it? And that information is finally not being presented in the way that only benefits the industry that controls that information? The "anti-vaccine" movement was started by doctors who realized they weren't being allowed to conduct legitimate safety studies and kept getting different results than their financiers wanted. Vaccine awareness is the result of information that comes directly from the CDC and HHS. People are taking the statistics from the official agencies that keep them and are independently conducting the studies that the industries refuse to do. This is progress and the pro-vaccine movement is trying to keep everyone in the past where we trust the industry no matter what and don't ask for any legitimate science behind it.

Do you know his name?

@@ribbon-kitten7577 Dr. Bob Sears.

Boost tf out of this ☝🏻☝🏻☝🏻

Niiiiiice

Wow, that's sad. Filed just for being anti-vax?

Anela Wright thats what we did with our immunocompromised child. She doesn’t get the vaccines when everyone else does, but with the help of an allergist we’ve figured out the best course for her while still keeping her and others safe.

EXACTLY

Anything medical is stupid and makes the problems worse

Ben Lewis What?

Im not

"Your facts make me uncomfortable. Could you just tone down the reality a little bit?"

childrenshealthdefense.org/news/4-billion-and-growing-u-s-payouts-for-vaccine-injuries-and-deaths-keep-climbing/ Injuries and deaths of children are worth more than $4 BILLION already paid out to victims. Parents who have injured or dead children after receiving defective medicatons of any kind should seek proper legal advice from law firms specializing in their tragic circumstances.

@@SeaJay_Oceans And a study by Chewly's gum says I should smoke less.

Actually.. many doctors don't get really get or read detailed information for research papers. I have actually argued with doctors over various things and won because I read a lot of research papers. Alot of the time, one disease, the doctor may actually spend 1 page of information on it, maybe 15minutes of lectures on it during their degree and never read anything about it later. Never totally trust a diagnosis. Ask more doctors opinions.

​@@michaelvanderbeek6869 Have you taken medical school? How would you know how individual doctors studied during their graduate programs.

Caroline Borham finally someone said it🙌

Precisely! I am a huge advocate for vaccination because I cannot be vaccinated. I have allergies but went to the great effort and expense to be desensitised. I have since been diagnosed with an autoimmune disorder that means I don't develop immunity. I rely on other people to keep me safe and unfortunately people are increasingly making decisions that put me and people like me at risk.

🙌🙌

Caroline Borham Some people believe herd immunity doesn't exist.

Exactly!! I couldn't understand why she's Anti-Vaxx when it'll only benefit her child

My sisters kid has a severe egg allergy. She's waiting for it to die off before vaccinating her child. She's not antivax, she's just waiting to vax.

Good for her, but, I’ve never heard of an egg allergy.

@@nomila7297 It can be just as severe as a peanut allergy. Look it up

Dee That’s one thing I learned today

Nice!

LOL

XD

Make sense

no need for surgery lmao. we have essential oils 😪

The example/context she gave was correct though

I dont think they know what research is

Dasha UwU it’s what Betty from their Facebook group has to say LOL

Biased easy-to-read articles are not on the same level as unbiased, real science research and medical journals. Ofc I don't expect Karens to understand the scientific language used in medical journals ... Karens don't understand what the concept of actual scientific research is, their definition of research are google searches and facebook posts.... It's hard to argue with someone who is blissfully ignorant imo

"Their research" is exactly this below, ( Confirmation Bias ), because they are not looking for info that discredits their anti-vaccine belief.. they only look for info that confirms it. Confirmation Bias Definition: To seek out and favor evidence that confirms one’s pre-existing beliefs or views. May also include the cognitive tendency to resist or disfavor evidence that is contrary to one’s pre-existing beliefs.

Katheryn Dutchess YES THIS. The moment real facts come out, Karen’s be like Ima just not see that

Exactly. A viral illness with "only" a 1% mortality rate would in a million cases see = 10K deaths - so people now need to choose who gets to live and who dies........ Vaccination is about *societal* mitigation of the presence of infectious diseases. The individual is merely one tiny piece in a much larger puzzle = yet vaccine opponents invariably think in egocentric terms. p.s. - mortality is similarly only one piece of a large puzzle. If you have a million cases of say Measles and 10K end up dying = you still had a million cases. So while most did not die the socioeconomic burden of that million cases will be enormous.

@@varyolla435 varyolla435 is a propaganda spam bot spamming all of the comments and cannot answer a simple question. What is the Covid-related mortality for non-elderly persons with no comorbidities???

Actually depends on which side effect we're talking about.

Funny and sad at the same time

@@pinkmillk how about serious side effects? www.vaccines.gov/basics/safety/side_effects Looks like he made a good guess too, 1 in a million.

@サイレントボイス did you read the beginning of the comment? The serious ones. Also the site lists the common side effects, if people are risking not only their lives but the lives of others because of those then they need to get their priorities in order.

@@jackmerry1972 nahhh

Ikr, its so stupid what she's saying. Vaccines aren't about knowing your child's favourite colour or something equally as stupid, they're about knowing how their body's immune system and insides work and I'm sorry but somebody who has studied for years on that subject (e.g. a DOCTOR not the parent) knows it better than a parent.

Yeah, I'm not saying doctors are gods, but anti-vaxxers seem to think that google puts them on the same level as someone who has to go through 20+ years of education and experience. You cannot argue with someone who has that mentality.

It's like saying you could paint a better portrait of yourself than a professional painter, just because you've seen yourself more in a mirror. Obviously years of training and experience outweigh the personal knowledge you might have

She may know her kid better than the doctor knows him, but she doesn't practice medicine on her kid better than a doctor does. It's a false equivocation. Doctors can practice medicine competently on complete strangers.

I know. If I was a doctor in that room I would’ve started screaming. I can’t fathom how ppl are anti vax Their logic makes no sense whatsoever

This is why we just let them Have it their way, let them and their kids drop dead like flies and just continue informing the uninformed

Sadly, however, they don’t just endanger themselves and die out but also endanger their young kids who don’t know better or others and deplete herd immunity. Fucking selfish ideology.

So true I wanted to hear more from the pro-vaccine More and the anti a LOT less but of course they got to interrupt and say “no,no” when they disagree and then go into a big rant of “oh your numbers are off” and “well I have arthritis now” do you even have proof that, that happened due to the vaccine you had or just spouting whatever you feel because you couldn’t find the source? Utter nonsense. Also what happens to the kids with auto-immune disease who get polio and measles? Gonna blame that on other kids who get their vaccines? Shouldn’t you want your kids protected from a early death due to stupid decisions?

Edan But that’s not fair to their children 🙁

@@WeNeedToDiscuss They do, actually. Blame kids with the vaccines, I mean. I had a discussion on Quora with an anti-vaxxer who was absolutely convinced her son had gotten the flu from his friend who had just gotten the flu vaccine. Because "He was shedding the virus and also got sick".

Internet Comment Etiquette: Grayson I wouldn’t be surprised if her name was Karen.

People in the comments of that video were calling her Karen lmao 😂

"Can I speak"? I think it's more like... " *I DEMAND to speak to the manager here!* "

My name is Karen. And you are? 😒

Lol

Actually it is a bad argument. Subjective rationalizations mean very little in matters of infectious diseases because the net result of failure to vaccinate is you becoming a vector for the pathogen = to infect others - against their will no less. Thus no matter what a person may personally believe they do not have a supposed right to cause adverse harm to others as a consequence of their poor choices. People do not own the public space = they share it with others. Ergo threats in that space which impact all necessitate group choices to mitigate that threat.

@@varyolla435 Let me rephrase since I think I figured out that my spelling created the misunderstanding, I said that data and scientific evidence isn't a bad argument (in a civilized discussion it's one of if not the best argument), but it's ineffective to arguing with people like anti-vaxers or anti-masks, because they act more like cultists, they find a way to dismiss science and only care on how they feel and are prone to using only subjective thinking as their defense, so, if you want to give an argument that is effective to people like them, you have to use their own weapons, which is personal experiences (like the unvaccinated children who die or go through horrendous scenarios), then and only then you can start to change their perception

@@engineeredtofail6746 Actually I was agreeing with you and expanded upon it. Most vaccine opponents as you alluded to are not arguing based upon an understanding of the science. They rather are basing their incredulity from = ignorance and fear and of course ideological zealotry. The latter reflect those who hate/fear all things "government" and hence oppose any measures the government might advocate for - even public health ones.