Yes Clemson & FSU are laughable. They are stuck in the ACC crying now b/c during several rounds of expansion by the B10 & SEC they weren't wanted.

We shall see...

Agreed unless with the addition of those brands Big 12 got an additional bump in annual tv revenue, I'm not sure how likely that is.

Yeah it does the contract in Big 12 is shorter.

What lawyers fees? Those attorneys work for them. They get paid regardless.

@@EricThe82 If you believe that, then you are unknowledgeable or crazy. They pay for experts, NCAA lawyers, sports lawyers, media lawyers, contract lawyers, and papers for court by outside counsel, etc etc. A colleges staff attorneys are no match for anything beyond gender issues or on campus drinking and expulsion!

Big12 value would go up but so would Big10 or SEC’s so that’s a non issue.

My conference is better then your conference.

@@roris5882 my grammar is better than yours.

Lol like we would join big 12 full time. If acc is gone I could see us big 12 part time but definitely not full time

Because the median team is far better in the big 12. If the top 4 teams in the ACC went to the Big 12, the Big 12 would have a higher payout than the ACC does.

@@EricThe82 not nearly enough to make up for the cost of the move.

@@observer466 incorrect. The way the ACC contract is currently set, the ACC will be making less in 2025. Which means the ACC is underpaid, severely. If the top 4 went to the Big12, the rise would be substantial. Still not as good as the SEC and B1G. But far better than what they will get thru 2036.

Simple. Big 12 pays more money and has access to huge TV markets

FSU and Clemson aren't going to the Big 10. Stop the delusional and be realistic. Ohio State is getting Floridan Jeremiah Smith without adding FSU. What's the point of adding FSU to the conference when Ohio State is already getting their best players in the state?

@@CarlaJenkinsTV Some would say $ and tv market and brand. Athletes are just part of the potential reasons

FSU will never be on the same conference as UCF. B12 lost any shot at FSU when they elevated a directional school.

@@adamb6370 here is reality check for you… UCF currently makes more money in overall conference distribution than FSU. So… pride over $?

​@@CarlaJenkinsTV Obviously Ohio State doesn't have any problems recruiting out of Florida, but all their other schools do. Plus FSU is valuable and expands the B1G national footprint into the SEC's backyard.

Wow . . . you are so smart.

@@HoustonCougarsGermanyhe is right. Why don’t you just go cheer for that cheater Kelvin Sampson.

Alas. They are doing just the thing you say they wont do. They don't have a new home but they are trashing the place where they're staying.

Probably, but there is a chance after they win and the ACC is profoundly weaker. UNC/FSU/Clemson would be in a place to negotiate and take over the ACC.

There is only 1 team that brings enough to get a full share from the B10 & SEC, that's Notre Dame. Clemson & FSU are stuck in the ACC crying now b/c during several rounds of expansion by the B10 & SEC they weren't wanted. Been saying this from the start all the Clemson & FSU people had a fit on these threads. Clemson & FSU could be doing all this just to end up in the B12 & still far behind the SEC & B10 in revenue

@@adamb6370 Take over what? ESPN is suddenly going to give then a significantly better deal. The delusions of grandeur of FSU & Clemson are hilarious. Clemson & FSU are stuck in the ACC crying now b/c during several rounds of expansion by the B10 & SEC they weren't wanted

@@jamesbusald7097 Of course they have a new home. Within two weeks of the OUT announcement, Clemson had sent "unofficial" reps to Birmingham. They know where they stand. And for FSU, they were weeks away from joining the SEC back before ND joined the ACC as a partial. The SEC has wanted a second Florida university since the late 80s. FSU has a choice to make because the B10 wants into Florida too.

Curious... why?

Misfit? Is that the best insult you could think of? I'd rather be in the Big 12 than a sinking ship.

@@simon2077 In context, the BIG12 has already sunk.

They would but they would have to worry about discovery and they don’t want that whatsoever.

A fiduciary duty is a high and established standard, which I didn't see being recognized between the parties. Lower standards of due diligence, good faith, etc. may still come into play. FSU may still have had a duty to exercise due diligence to protect confidentiality and/or to not defame the conference and other members.

@@tarheel7406 I am a lawyer and cannot imagine how a team would have any fiduciary duty to a league, other than playing their scheduled games. As to defamation, anything put in a court filing is not subject to claims of defamation. Beyond that, truth is an absolute defense. Finally, as a public entity subject to FL Sunshine Laws, FSU would be limited in what confidentiality it could keep. In addition, if the FL Attorney General demands all of those documents involving a state entity, no one can stop the AG from doing what it wishes. The problem is the ACC is refusing to give member institutions the pertinent documents. That is nuts.

Except that there is less than zero chance that the top 4 ACC schools would need to go to the Big 12. You really believe that neither the B1G nor SEC would want FSU or NC? How about Clemson? Not sure who is 4th. If UNC and NCState are stuck together, it is not impossible that they could go the Big 12, but just as likely that they would stay in a reconstituted ACC. Do you really think that FSU and now Clemson are going through their cases expecting to not get an invitation to one of the 2?

@@observer466 a) The defamation would be statements made prior to the litigation. b) There are established ways to work around Sunshine Laws in good faith. FSU just signed a confid agreement with private equity. c) The Florida AG can ask for whatever, subject to successful objections. d) This type of security has been confirmed to be standard by media experts. e) Even if FSU can use a Sunshine Defense for avoidable disclosure, the SEC/B1G won't like that position. I made no comments here re: realignment nor an ACC scatter. Again, I agreed that no fiduciary duties exist here. If the GOR functions partially as the ACC serving as a Power of Attorney, perhaps the ACC owes some higher standard of duty to the members.

@@tarheel7406 Truth is still a defense. Honestly, I see it as the fight of the FL AG to deal with the Sunshine Laws, and they are likely to get a more favorable than FSU. My experience is certainly that state governments get breaks that they do not really legally deserve, There are no Constitutional issues, etc., so this case is really only of great importance to the parties. I am not at all sure that even other leagues with their GORs are the same. FSU needs the documents in any event. I agree that they should be under seal (and if I were the judge, I would seal them), but will the ACC/EPSN take that chance? If this actually got to a trial (doubt very much), then some of this stuff will come out in public. As far as the SEC/B1G, do either of them have documents involving their teams that is withheld from the teams? If the team (FSU, Clemson, Michigan, whatever) had the documents, that team would almost certainly object to any Sunshine Law type problems. To me the issue is the unwillingness of the ACC to let member institutions have copies of everything. That may be opening a Pandora's Box.

Fsu would be third highest revenue generator in either sec or b10! They will take them asap for that $$$$

Don’t watch

You, little lady, are not in charge.

FSU was kept out of the playoffs last year because they were too weak to compete in the playoffs.

If the Big 12 is weaker then the ACC why is the ACC falling apart... stupid take just dumb...

@@rodneydurrett8604 , QB was injured and they were still better than every Big 12 team.

@@craigmorris3055 , dominos fall in order.

Nobody is leaving the Big 12 for the ACC though. 🤷‍♂️

Dude, you have no credibility when you leave out the best team over last 30 years: K-State.

Easier path in those conferences! You can finish 3 or 4 in the b10 or sec and make the new playoff!

~Snickers~ As things stand, the BIG12 is the worst P4 on all material factors.

@@tarheel7406 see everyone. We have a clear ACC fan who does not realize he is trying to state that a dead conference is even in the running. It was less obvious that the PAC-12 was coming down, and frankly it was clear as day for them as well.

@@EricThe82 Dude, the BIG12 is already dead in this context. It's the worst P4 in athletics, academics, media value per team, prestige, etc.

@@tarheel7406 it is not the one that won't exist in 2 years. And right now that is all that matters.

@@EricThe82 a) Why won't the ACC exist in 2 years? b) That wasn't a qualifier in your original comment. It's just amazing to me. The BIG12 is a slow cooked frog. It's already cooked, but since it happened over time, it doesn't see the reality,

The B1G would take Stanford over Duke every day of the week. I think NC goes to ESPN just because ESPN would possibly give them higher than a half share for the current media deal, while I doubt anyone outside of Notre Dame gets more than a half share till their next media deal.

@@troywest7045 I love Stanford. I thought the Big would have taken them before Oregon. I forgot about them. I don't consider them ACC.

B10 likes $$$$ more than academics. Fsu is going to land there