That’s what I think about Jenny and Forrest, too.

@@elizabethaleman117 Jenny is a 304

Women don’t care about virtue or honor. They never have, never will.

This was my take on the idiot

There are a lot of absurd interpretive leaps in this video, that being a major one. My instinct is to chalk it up to mistranslation, and sometimes I can't quite tell whether certain interpretive claims are jokes or serious.

yes! thank you! i was scrolling through the comments to find someone saying this because I feel like Nastasya’s tension between Myshkin and Rogozhin is far more complex than “good guy v. bad boy”. it’s as much an internal struggle for her as it is for the prince.

This guy gets it

Yes, same, thank you! I was with him until this moment, when I was just thrown off my tracks, because it's not even simplification, it's just misinterpreting that while plotline and motivations and understanding of Nastasya as a character, viewing it through some odd modern trope of bad/good boy; otherwise the summary has been quite nice so far.

Exactly! Nastasia was viewed as a ruined woman by the rest of society, Myshkin was the only one who didn’t see her that way. She loved Myshkin so much that she didn’t want to ruin his reputation or cause him any pain.

Dude just shut up and don’t do that. Your opinion doesn’t make you awesome don’t care how long it took you to formulate your absurd long winded comment.. you just need to know that you are stupid and yeah don’t do that anymore. I’m even bothered by the idiot who made this video.. there’s always some stupid commentary or opinion that has nothing to do with the work of FD I’m pretty sure he’d be disgusted with all of this stuff.. all of these people who understand him so well? I’m sorry but he would absolutely consider you all as; SICK

That may be true if you could actually easily determine whose cognition is faulty and whose isn't faulty. You usually cannot do that very easily since all people make irrational choices all the timer. They are just accepted as choices within norm even if they are absurd choices. Also we cannot easily tell who was conditioned and to what extent. Some people may have been conditioned since childhood so it is easier for observers to conclude that they were conditioned. But adults can just as easily be conditioned to believe anything or do anything if the lies given to them are convincing enough. Because we cannot always know those specifics we cannot determine what you say we can in your last sentence.

@@StopFear You can determine it's true just by observing examples of it. You don't need to be able to determine who is which for every human on earth, in order to know it's true. I could go on to pick apart and refute your entire comment, but i won't. It won't make any difference or gain me anything.

Is this just an idiotically complicated way of saying “some people aren’t right in the head”?

@@Saber23 No.

@@quantumphantasm6354 it was a rhetorical question cause that’s clearly what this is

it was the opposite for me, im still the idiot

Thank you!

The Brothers Karamazov, that's the one where they bust some ghosts, right?

Yeah karamazov is amazing I don’t know why it’s not as popular as the others

@@j0nnyism Could be that because its in Russian something is lost in translation, so it doesnt feel like you're reading the actual words of dostoevsky. But I dunno, i've never read any of them and only heard Lex Fridman talk about the idea of lost in translation lol

The Brothers Karamazov is also my favorite so it absolutely breaks my heart that he passed away before he could finish part 2. i want to know if ivan successfully helped dmitri escape and if dmitri and grushenka had a successful relationship cause they were fighting often toward the end of the novel

Dude that's what I think everyone wants a stoned 3AM conversation 🙄 Russia needed roadoligist

Damn that's such a funny yet insane thing to say

Why do you think so many people spent so much money on drugs to make them.. dumber

Uppppppp

Great suggestion!

Yes, Demons is a great suggestion for analysis. That has to be one of the most prophetic novel of all time.

@@Fiction_Beast please search the definition of smart.

Awesome.

All Dostoevsky’s novels are pretty deep.

@@Fiction_Beast, if you like "The Idiot" you might love to hear the more logical story which would inspire such a story. Either “The Insulted and Humiliated” by Fyodor Dostoevsky or "Dostoevsky in Love: An Intimate Life" by Alex Christofi will help you understand the man who wrote this book. FAVORITE AUTHORS 1st) Fyodor Dostoevsky (The Insulted and Humiliated)| 1) “The Insulted and Humiliated” by Fyodor Dostoevsky 4) "The Idiot" by Fyodor Dostoevsky 19) "Crime and Punishment" by Fyodor Dostoevsky 30) "Demons" by Fyodor Dostoevsky 65) "My Uncle's Dream" by Fyodor Dostoevsky 80) "The Heavenly Christmas Tree" by Fyodor Dostoevsky 113) "Poor Folk" by Fyodor Dostoevsky 130) "The Gentle Spirit" by Fyodor Dostoevsky 141) "The Gambler" by Fyodor Dostoevsky 149) "White Nights" by Fyodor Dostoevsky 173) "Netochka Nezvanova" (nameless nobody) by Fyodor Dostoevsky 2nd) Leo Tolstoy (Resurrection) 3) "Resurrection" by Leo Tolstoy 9) "War and Peace" by Leo Tolstoy 16) “Childhood, Boyhood” by Leo Tolstoy 62) "Anna Karenina" by Leo Tolstoy 91) "A Confession" by Leo Tolstoy 3rd) Ivan Turgenev (Fathers and Sons) 5) "Fathers and Sons" by Ivan Turgenev 11) "Smoke" by Ivan Turgenev 23) "Virgin Soil" by Ivan Turgenev 41) "Torrents of Spring" by Ivan Turgenev 64) "First Love" by Ivan Turgenev 101) "Acia" by Ivan Turgenev 107) "The Watch" by Ivan Turgenev 132) "Rudin" by Ivan Turgenev 141) "On the Eve" by Ivan Turgenev 152) "Home of the Gentry" by Ivan Turgenev 172) "Clara Militch" by Ivan Turgenev 177) "The Inn" by Ivan Turgenev 4th) James A. Michener (Chesapeake) 12) "Chesapeake" by James A. Michener 13) "Poland" by James A. Michener 36) "Caribbean" by James A. Michener 37) "Hawaii" by James A. Michener 197) “Mexico” by James A. Michener 5th) Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn (A Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich) 10) "A Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich" by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn 28) "Cancer Ward" by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn 44) "In the First Circle" by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn 78) "The Gulag Archipelago, 1918-1956: an Experiment in Literary Investigation" by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

Note that the book doesn't explicitly say that Myshkin is any kind of metaphor for Christ. It is an interpretation the video's narrator tells us is one interpretation. Since Dostoyevsky claimed to be religious it would be pretty sacrilegious to make literary metaphors like that.

@@StopFear Nay, even Dostoevsky himself stated that he wanted to show beauty and He used Christ as the embodiment of the Beauty he wanted to displau

Wow, thank you!

I agree. Notes From Underground had a profound thought every page and a laugh out loud moment every other page.

I agree he was a brilliant novelist.

Generally speaking I feel great analyses of books tend to come out of reading deep novels more than once. You can miss a lot on your first reading, even if you're careful (or maybe I'm just not that skilled in literary analysis?)

@@Fiction_Beast, if you want to know more about "The Idiot" then read my favorite book by him and another: “The Insulted and Humiliated” by Fyodor Dostoevsky & "The Gentle Spirit" by Fyodor Dostoevsky. My mother read Russian literature and I would pick up a book she was reading when she wasn't looking and would read the chapter she was in, the chapter she just read or the chapter she was about to read. I was reading science fiction, but then I was ten to twelve then. As a teen, I finally asked my mom what Russian book I should read first. She said, "A Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich" by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn. TOP 30 BOOKS "The Holy Bible: King James Version" copyright 1967 1) "The Insulted and Humiliated" by Fyodor Dostoevsky 2) "Verbal Behavior" by Dr. B. F. Skinner 3) "Resurrection" by Leo Tolstoy 4) "The Idiot" by Fyodor Dostoevsky 5) "Fathers and Sons" by Ivan Turgenev 6) Myth Adventures - series by Robert Asprin 7) The Chronicles of Narnia - series by C. S. Lewis 8) "Vilette" by Charlotte Brontë 9) "War and Peace" by Leo Tolstoy 10) "A Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich" by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn 11) "Smoke" by Ivan Turgenev 12) "Chesapeake" by James A. Michener 13) "Poland" by James A. Michener 14) "Roots" by Alex Haley 15) The Silmarillion - The Hobbit, or there and back again - The Lord of the Rings - Middle Earth stories by J. R. R. Tolkien 16) "Childhood, Boyhood" by Leo Tolstoy 17) Foundation Series - Isaac Asimov 18) "Eugene Onegin" by Alexander Pushkin 19) "Crime and Punishment" by Fyodor Dostoevsky 20) "Paris 1919: six months that changed the world" by Margaret MacMillian 21) "The Tenant of Wildfell Hall" by Anne Brontë 22) "Virgin Soil" by Ivan Turgenev 23) "Pride and Prejudice" by Jane Austen 24) The Adventures of Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn - by Mark Twain 25) Old Mother West Wind series - wildlife series by Thornton Burgess 26) "Microbe Hunters" by Paul de Kruif 27) "Cancer Ward" by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn 28) "Teacher Man" by Frank McCourt 29) "Kon Tiki" by Thor Heyerdahl 30) "The Complete Poems of Anne Bronte" by Anne Brontë FAVORITE AUTHORS 1st) Fyodor Dostoevsky (The Insulted and Humiliated) 1) “The Insulted and Humiliated” by Fyodor Dostoevsky 4) "The Idiot" by Fyodor Dostoevsky 19) "Crime and Punishment" by Fyodor Dostoevsky 110) "Poor Folk" by Fyodor Dostoevsky 128) "The Gentle Spirit" by Fyodor Dostoevsky 139) "The Gambler" by Fyodor Dostoevsky 147) "White Nights" by Fyodor Dostoevsky 2nd) Leo Tolstoy (Resurrection) 3) "Resurrection" by Leo Tolstoy 9) "War and Peace" by Leo Tolstoy 16) “Childhood, Boyhood” by Leo Tolstoy 60) "Anna Karenina" by Leo Tolstoy 87) "A Confession" by Leo Tolstoy 3rd) Ivan Turgenev (Fathers and Sons) seven more books in the top 200 not shown here 5) "Fathers and Sons" by Ivan Turgenev 11) "Smoke" by Ivan Turgenev 22) "Virgin Soil" by Ivan Turgenev 39) "Torrents of Spring" by Ivan Turgenev 62) "First Love" by Ivan Turgenev 4th) James A. Michener (Chesapeake) 12) "Chesapeake" by James A. Michener 13) "Poland" by James A. Michener 34) "Caribbean" by James A. Michener 35) "Hawaii" by James A. Michener 191) “Mexico” by James A. Michener 5th) Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn (A Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich) 10) "A Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich" by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn 27) "Cancer Ward" by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn 42) "In the First Circle" by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn 75) "The Gulag Archipelago, 1918-1956: an Experiment in Literary Investigation" by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

Thank you

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I agree. He was an artist. Unfortunately there are many who boxes him as a Christian moralist.

@@Fiction_Beast well, if you can't accept the fact that Dostoevsky was a christian, that doesn't mean you are right. you seem to be smart but that is quickly to be dismissed as soon as you expose your lack of intellectual depth and astonishing superficiality. If you want to talk about Dostoevsky at least do your homework.

@@soare5182 He was not saying that Dostoevsky was a "Christian moralist" and that it is terrible, but rather that some view him in overly simplistic terms as merely such a person without incorporating Dostoevsky's ability to intricately explore existentialism and other philosophical viewpoints he may not necessarily agree with.

@@magistrate3343 yes, unfortunately at that time i misunderstood his comment. sorry

You’re welcome. Thanks for watching.

Wow. That's a tough thing

Thank you!

Thank you!

Thank you so much 😀

Thank you

Great feedback. Thank you!

Well, good luck! If you graduate I need 10% of your income. 🤪

great to hear you enjoyed it.

When proof is impossible to obtain, limiting yourself to only 2 choices belief or disbelief has more to do with your desired relationships with the people arond you than using logical evidence as reason for beliefs. It's just as absurd to not believe than it is to believe when there has been 0 evidence either way.

@@alistairclark6814 Good point.

Dostoevsky thought atheism would ruin the Russian society. I wonder what he would have made of the Bolsheviks? He was warning against them.

@@Fiction_Beast He would have reviled the Bolsheviks.

@@alistairclark6814 “it is just as absurd to not believe than to believe”. Picking the default position over wishful thinking is not as absurd.

Thank you!

You’re welcome!

Appreciate it mate!

Yes for sure. That’s a great suggestion.

I read it a long time ago. I thought it was great, but it would be great to hear his analysis and pick up on all I missed.

No! It is to realise that in the deepest abyss is salvation, and a reason to love life and everything in it. To justify all of human suffering with something as simple as a good cup of coffee - in the face of inevitable annihilation.

Awesome. Yes, I'm also a fan of both bukowski and dostoevsky.

@@Fiction_Beast I'll confess my ignorance in that I've only just glommed onto Bukowski, from one of your videos. He has a bit of a Camus thing going on with his acceptance of absurdity. This way of thinking has helped me enormously in my life, I've acheived contentment as a result. And I'm not even dead yet!

Awesome! Thank Tony.

Same!

Thank you!

Good wishes upon you, your comment shows respect and wisdom.

Thank you very much

Thank you for your efforts!

PS: My novel, "Green Fire: Tommy & Ruthie's Blues" @Amazon, likewise deals with the problem of faith & scepticism. (My author name is Geoff Nelson Hill so as not to be confused with the Fifties Oxford poet Geoffrey Hill.) 🌈🦉

You’re right as we grow we accumulate more and more assumptions which help at times but also cloud our judgement.

So nice of you

@@Fiction_Beast pleasure is all ours. Those droplets of humour too, are priceless 😇😉😃🙏

You’re most welcome.

Thank you!

I like book.

Jordan Peterson, perhaps?

@@roninnr1378 studies going back decades bro

Just simple red pill knowledge will suffice to know female nature.

If those attractive traits don’t yield any results then there might be something else that’s wrong

Boglakov’s Master and Margarita

@@orphandextro7046 Right! I got this book recently!

thank you!

Wikipedia public domain images and UKposts music library.

You’re welcome 😊

Yes I agree my interpretation is from a male perspective.

Thanks.

You are so welcome

I'd say you're just guessing and trying to look smart. Just like everyone else.

An off the cuff surface thought for me would be that epilepsy brings about suffering, and suffering tends to lend itself the most to that force of character and madness necessary for many of the great minds in the world. So, I wouldn't attribute it so there being something special about epilepsy, just that it is a vehicle for suffering, and thus for very painful growth.

@@masonart4950 Along with trying to look cool 😎 , I’m also fascinated with the idea, just like many others I would imagine.

@@Tracker947 I agree with that, suffering is a major influence in the creation of art. And epilepsy could also contribute to isolation then to deep introspection of life. So that makes sense. It’s also a fact that we know very little about how the brain actually works. Aside from electrical imaging like CT scans. Having worked closely with neurosurgeons (many of them have some very strange theories about brain function). What we mostly know is mostly electrical impulses. But like the heart, electrical impulses is only a small part of the actual clockwork behind the machine. The brain is far more complex than the heart.

Agreed

I agree.

I will check it out. Thanks!

@@Fiction_Beast thanks :)

Thanks

Awesome!

Appreciate it.

Thank you