I appreciate the effort you're putting into this, it very well could become a business, with transparency and the ability for people to simply come to a location and experience it!

I would definitely go. I know a lot of people that would go.

I have a pretty decent amount of ideas to improve the control loop, reduce latency, etc that could be implemented, where are you located generally and would you be open to receive remote consulting? I just can't relocate but I'd love to help make this happen and improve it.

Fun idea. People can drive real cars from anywhere or even send their own for a race, without being there in person. Only latency and reliability might cause unpredictable troubles..

@@dailybusiness8162 I think that would get pretty limited by the people with setups capable and don't really think the latency part of that could be overcome. I'm honestly surprised he had as good an experience over 4G

That's like wee man staging that bar fight with mini paramedics in jackass LMFAO.

have a 3d friend with a rc Heli tail them XD

Adding a speaker for those car SFX seems great too.

Agreed

Great idea for a video.

dreamed not dreamt

Seriously. The first thing I thought was “this would have BLOWN MY MIND as a kid”

​@@01hZboth are acceptable for past tense

Totally would have been rad!

If he could somehow fix the input lag, it would be just perfect 😍 He was lucky the roads were empty, because without mirrors and peripheral view, could have been a tragedy for the RC car. In any case, amazing work!

Still way to high imo but in a few years should be perfect

@@1970Metallica I don't think a few years is going to solve that, or at least we're at the point of diminishing returns. Assuming the camera is 30fps, that's 33ms per frame. Assuming worst case scenarios where the the information of the frame is sent on the next actual frame, it then needs to be encoded to be transmitted, travel some distance at the speed of light (negligible time delay at these distances), then decoded, run through the computer, through the next GPU cycle, then assuming the screen refresh rate is 60fps, that's another minimum of 16ms being added. Absolute best case scenario you're looking at a minimum of 50ms delay, but with transcoding, I wouldn't expect anything under 100ms any time soon. Not without putting overpowered computing on the vehicle and spending cashmoney, yk?

120-160 ms its impressive? 😂 First and before i saw how input latence is i though its fake video couse onboard camera not response on wheel turn. After few minutes i saw hes latancy between rig/rc. Anyway. Its cool idea ofcourse👍

WE NEED TELEMETRY, AND THIS THING WOULD BE COMERCIAL.

@XRMissieMusic They just need to bypass the computer all together and go with a 5.8 video transmitter and custom map the chair setup also to direct rf. Would be running 90fps with 14ms latency

Yeah, I wonder what the outcome would be if someone braked hard and caused a wreck.

Yep... fkn dangerous and unnecessary... He could do that shit in a parking lot or anywhere where there's no traffic or pedestrians to hurt

@@the_rick4360 It's a residential area, no one is going over 25 mph here and there's barely any traffic.

@@NekoMMDGTS Still illegal and dangerous

​@@NekoMMDGTS ehh the road is being shared so blind turns at a stop sign is pretty bad regardless of the speed limit. It's better to take this hobby to an isolated area, not a public road.

it actually exists and it's called Drone Racing! But not with rc cars, with rc racing drones

@@seasky_ So then it doesn't exist lmfao.

You could get full mariokart/wipeout with it and add traps, hazards and weapons.

Like getting searched by the police or something?

Right lol man I'd be in 100 percent

It ain't too late. I started flying FPV quadcopters two years ago at 61. It was always something I thought would be awesome too, and it is. Especially with everything digital now.

You can still enjoy it!

I used to dream about becoming a drug lord using fleets of drones. I was a very stupid teen.

@@sl0ptart it's still not too late😄

Same! But with BJ and the Bears Aerodyne and The General Lee....!

I was thinking the same damn thing. Scuffed.

@@MacroAggressor he tagged the city too i dont think he cares lil babies

@@MacroAggressorhe probably just has guns lol

@@ShawnSavageTeachings I mean, hell... *_I_* sure as sh** have guns, but the last thing I'm gonna do is publish my address. More power to the guy I guess. _May the spirit of saint Rittenhouse guide you._

@@MacroAggressor hey he’s a free man for a reason! Did nothing wrong.

How cost effective would such setup be next to a full size Formula 1 sporting event?

@@MonguinAssassin Good question. The smaller tracks already exist and the FPV gear isn't cost prohibitive...much of the software is Free Software licensed...the hurdle would be in the marketing and event...DRL, DRA, and what DCL used to be...for quadcopter FPV racing. for the full sized Formula 1, the costs to install the FPV gear and radio networks would be a very small cost comparatively...Roborace should have done this with the Robocar.

Yep. Make a TrackIR set control the gimbal and you've got yourself one hell of an RC racing sim.

Sega in Japan did this in the 1980's can you believe that? They had cockpits around an indoor track.

There's a lot of image on top and bottom that's not useful. I reckon he could chop off the image top/bottom and have a better experience, by stretching this footage over 3 screens.

facts bro isn’t it tho

Check out my homemade fpv cockpit for fixwings

I’m somewhat of an rc guy myself 😏

Speaking of planes, imagine how cool it would be to turn your flight sim cockpit in a remote control for RC planes!

@@AdamsOlympia check out mine for fixwings

If you did it on smaller tracks you could easily use the same camera/goggles drones use.

I wonder if making an actual ffb simulation here would be possible. I think it would require appropriate sensors in the tires that would deliver data that could be processed into feedback.

And a Quadcopter with auto tracking capturing the whole thing from above! Bitchin!!

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@Cavi587FFB won’t be 100% possible, and even if so the delay from the transmitter will make it even more difficult to controll, but with that being said you can simulate FFB by having a seperate controller that can somehow measure/read the resistance from the servo’s weight (don’t forget you also need some way to accually transmit that information back to the user) with that information you “could” run a certain program that can simulate that resistance onto your Sim wheel…That’s as close as you can get with FFB atm with the current software that is Also don,’t exclude the delay from the data that needs to hè sent to a program to je translated and then being output on a wheel base.

@@VycroYT Yeah, I know of these limitations. My thought was to perhaps create a system which isn't as remote but the connectivity is of higher quality. So essentially have a certain place, like a built to scale race track on an old parking lot and have simrigs be somewhere close to it. Then the data flow could be less of a bottleneck here. And for FFB I think a good start would be some sensors directly inside of the tires measuring compression or some other parameter that could be interpreted to FFB data. But that's a far reach, first I'd have to do some isolated tests to even check out if it's possible. Maybe a good project to have fun with when I'm not busy with my life like I am right now.

Head tracking would be much better than a wider angle lens

What about the dark web? Have you ever visited the dark web?

That can be good or bad 😂

dark web is goofy@@presidenttnediserp428

Its fake

@@4kingace379 is that right lol

A jaywalking mouse perhaps? 😂

Ankle smasher 5000

no guts no glory

@redmercury77 captain. Gazpacho the mouse

That would have shattered someone's leg beyond repair.

I mean you’d probably wanna stick to the tracks they already use for this… they tend to fit the cars perfectly

​@V8chump well actually blah blah blah

Mario Kart comes to life

People would just stop your mini-cars and steal them for sale or whatever reason. Some people are just bad.

​@damsen978 But then you would have footage if it and would know who it was. I do think that they would make laws against it though if a bunch of people were doing it

@@sebastianwhalin743 yeah I can see how that could be an issue especially if you have like 20 of them driving around the neighborhoods

small price to pay

Latency should be fine, it's just coverage and packet loss. I game on my Desktop PC from my laptop whenever I'm on vacation and my latency is usually 30-40ms

It shows on the screen his latency is around 150ms which for steering a car going 50mph is 11 feet (3.35m) before the car reacts. I'd say it's definitely an issue.

@@CiastekBt if you look the delay between him moving the wheel and seeing the movement on the screen, his real world latency is close to 500 ms, pr half a second.

Needs a real fpv system like the dji O3 or walksnail probably more suitable with the vrx, hdmi out.

It’s over 4g lte :) sooo the internet

@@MohammadAdib great idea! With 5G would the latency and frame rate improve?

@@MohammadAdib It seems you have very low latency !

@@alex75329 Really the latency and frame rate looked horrible to me but, I'm used to FPV. This would be nice with an fpv setup I'd probably just put the radio gear on a pole on the roof with an antenna tracker.

@@alex75329 150+ms is awful latency, if you had this much latency in a car you'd kill yourself in 1 day

This guy is going to be a millionaire if he isn't already.

Why? Everyone can do it with money. You just need to buy an rc car with camera and use some already made programs to do it. I doubt he compiled any of it.

Exactly my first thought! 🤘

there is 100-200ms of lag, very noticable actually

there is tons of latency

"no issues or lag" lolwut, did we even watch the same video? There's almost half a second of visual lag, which means the 125-150 ms of latency he's showing on the screen is probably one-way, making the round-trip latency, I.E. from input to response on the screen, twice that.

@@E36Variance ohh that makes more sense now, was thinking damn that's alotta lag for 150ms

90s kid here. I can confirm.

That’s would be pretty cool.

@@zachm522 will this technology be available in the US?

They are testing in the U.S. now.

I actually made this a few months ago, and make lots of stuff like it for my channel :)

@@zachm522 I watch this channel. It is interesting. Now they are at the beginning of the way. Because it is interesting not only drive, but compete in groups on different tracks, different types of cars, may be tracks with obstacles and so on. May be complete some missions. Of course only on computer or tablet. I.e. multi-player game like pubg, wot blitz etc. To make this in real world it will require much. But it might be the biggest fun. 🎉💛

Ye I'm sure passing intersections without looking is pretty cool... Freeking US man I can't..

bro is saying that like he's not one of em. yo hook me up with a tractor beam or smth

nice unintentional pun

Cause this has been done before my friends dad in the 90s/00 done this different set up obviously.

@@bradleythorburn90s tech doesn’t even come close to what we have today. That was probably a terrible experience

Nobody cares about this stuff unfortunately. Now if you have someone doing a trendy shuffle dance, that right there is gold.

This!!!!!!

While it would be incredible in theory, the latency involved in this setup would make a VR headset extremely nauseating. Lag and VR do not go well together, especially 200ms+. The technology needed to make a portable 360° camera stream at sub 100ms doesn't really exist yet. EDIT: It doesn't really exist yet outside of proprietary implementations, like DJI FPV drones.

Ummm, brilliant. VR and a 360 live cam would work on a device or rc, but that's not brilliant. The street view driving with VR is. To explore an area already documented by street view, you would simply select area to be downloaded, then your car of choice in "GTWorld". Next day you have street races, or simply tour the world. Imagine a Highway 1 race across Cali. Real-time occupation of the amount of racers in areas likely would not be impossible, but private lobbies could be arranged by friends. Bro, the world would be our racetrack, or weekend drive. Brilliant

Been thinking about that as well, and I think I have a solution. Using the guts of a two stick multichannel RC transmitter, you can connect the potentiometers to the swing arms, combined with data from a gyro would give you pretty accurate telemetry that could be received on the control end by a standard receiver and input directly into a 4 actuator motion rig. The gyro data would be used if you also have a rig which rotates. As for the force feedback, I'm pretty sure that there are servos which measure and relay the force applied to it, but barring that you could attach another channel pot to the steering rack to send back its movements and then use an algorithm to remove the motion due to steering input leaving only the feedback from the road for the force feedback. I did something similar a couple of years back with a large buggy and my racing rig, the video is here on my YT channel. I had much shorter range, but much better video quality. I had it working with a gimbal and head tracking too at one point, but there was too much drift and I didn't want to lose a very expensive RC car rig, but now I've got that solved using DJI gear for rock solid head tracking, and I just now ordered a stereo camera rig that uses Raspberry Pi gear, and compiles the side by side image at the source, so I can transmit a 3D image back using EZ Wi-Fi Broadcast for low latency and decent range. The signal will then be ported into a custom VR goggle with a 4K screen, so when combined with accurate head tracking should give me full immersion. I'll also be eventually adding an array of mics to complete the illusion.

@@miggyfixx6418 Really good ideas. I watched the video on your channel. I was a really good project already. I can only imagine the results using head tracking and the VR goggle. I'm subscribing to your channel, please post a video when you finish or even during the project, I'm sure many people would like to see it.

Have u watch the cloudrc yt its so dope for me.

Same lol

I would be more worried about latency lol

The limiter here is a connection speed Otherwise there would be at least better main cam

If you looked down in the bottom left hand of the main screen it had latency info which stayed around 140ms. Which is decent. For something moving so fast maybe it's not the best, but it's still alright. You can probably get sub 100 ms with some providers.

Just need to know how to improve the signal camera, and its ready for real RC POV racing sport

Everything's dangerous

Ohh I was wondering how in the world he got such long range AND with video too! Cellular makes sense.

It is not using RC, it is using 4G as the title says

Ah right, missed that, and thanks for the reply! Wow, that explains the range then, this is fantastic! I guess the big question is how does the FFB work I wonder? How does it interpret and translate FFB to the wheel, if at all? I ask because obviously there is no sim software/program tell the wheel whats happening. Have you found a way to transmit the real forces acting on the wheels and steering to the wheel, or are you driving with no FFB? Thanks for any info mate! @@alonsop9861

@@tarmacterrorist.thepotato there's no FFB, see how at 2:51 the wheel doesn't move at all even with those bumps. Maybe he has wheel self centering via the software drivers to help him drive it more normally. To add FFB he would have to track the vibrations in the steering column and the amount of torque the steering engine is producing to keep the wheels turned at every moment which wouldn't be easy given how small the car is

Just code a server/client software that handles all the traffic simple as that :D (we have done that.... not that simple xD)

he’s not using RF, which would allow for a much higher quality and much lower latency, since there are dozens of obstacles that would block an RF signal at that range. cellular ip